WoW and EQ2 were polished and complete games at launch, as polished as a MMO can be obviously.
WoW was missing the Battleground to be honest, but that wasn't the core of the game (although it became quite popular afterward)
Everything else was in there and perfectly working.
AoC is not even close to those games at launch, so Funcom should stop comparing AoC with WoW, probably the best comparison would be Vanguard, in which case AoC comes out as a winner, but that doesn t make it shine either.
That's why devs stay away from the AoC forums, they can't defend anything about the game. This is the worst managed MMO I've ever seen. IMHO, those fools at FC are completely incompetent. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad, I don't like wasting money on scams.
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Think the mods and EE need to have a chat seen as he was intent at bringing WOW in to the chat every moment he gets.
As the mods state General chat is for AOC only
Real shame when the only way a company can defend its self is trying to compare to another and try put it down.
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Think the mods and EE need to have a chat seen as he was intent at bringing WOW in to the chat every moment he gets.
As the mods state General chat is for AOC only
Real shame when the only way a company can defend its self is trying to compare to another and try put it down.
Even worse when the only games they could compare themselves to and come out favorably would be Mourning or Dark and Light.
My friends, please feel free to voice your specific concerns about the interview and I will try to comment on them to the best of my ability. Neither I or Funcom have any reason or desire to mislead anyone, and I would be happy to comment on anything you guys and girls find misleading. But keep it civil, please.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=155049 If you still have forum access, you can watch as players try to hold him accountable for downplaying missing features in the interview. One of the most amazing quotes in this thread comes when Erling says...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The PvP fugitive system was not meant for launch. That's what I was referring to. As for big features cut for launch, the only big thing is the drunken brawling. Yeah, it's a central feature I admit that, and we hope to bring it in sometime in the future when we can put focus away from more important issues. All other big features -- such as city building, sieging and mounted combat -- are all in there. Of course we know they can be improved and that's what we're doing right now." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I can say is wow....
Im still stuck on whether hes completely dillusional, a liar or is my ex wifes twin
Everything's going according to plan, They're now attempting to reach out , When players don't buy it , They'll be dismissed as the vocal minority and blamed for the state the game is heading in.Watch and see!
I think we can safely conclude that from his recent forum posts, Erling Ellingson is either a compulsive liar - or thinks he's talking about some other game that doesn't exist.
You aren't competing with WoW in 2004. You're competing against WoW in 2008 (and forward). Many new MMO players don't care that AoC may have launched with more content than WoW did at launch - they only know WoW as it is now - not what it was (or rather, wasn't). You aren't competing with WoW polish circa '04, you're competing against WoW circa '08.
If you build a game for 2008, you have to compete with games as they stand in 2008. Not as they stood in 2004.
What happened then does not matter; it's only what happens now and moving forward. However, if you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it in the future.
Alot of fanbois use the stupid excuse that WoW have problem and is lacking this and that when launch... sign....... wake up pls......
I've said something similiar in another thread on this forum.
It's pointless to compare a new MMO's release to another MMO's past release because of that very same reason.
The bottom line is this: An MMO entering the fray has this to compete with, as far as the big name ones go:
EQ2: Several expansion packs worth. The only MMO SOE really put alot of effort into.
WoW: Not many expansions but especially by now in 2008, rock solid. I'm not a player, but several million CONTINOUSLY PAYING customers can't be totally wrong.
LotRO: Stable; lots of free, massive content updates.
And that's only 3 of them. These days, a new MMO has very stiff competition to face, with the Big Silverback Gorilla that is WoW dominating the landscape. There's good, well established, polished MMOs out there now, that have had years to mature.
This isn't like 1999 or 2000, where the choice of MMOs was extremely limited. Either you'll play this or that MMO, or you're not playing an MMO, period. This is 2008, and the choices are insane. You don't really have to stay with 1 or 2 MMOs because that's all there is. You can now try an MMO, and if it's not to your liking, leave it altogether and try another one (or go back to the old one). The list of MMOs out there is ridiculous.
Lastly, my personal opinion: Promises about grandoise, future updates to an MMO are about as useful as the gasses my friend excretes after eating a burrito. Anyone can put staged videos and pretty development screenshots. But the truth of the matter is the actual implementation of the features, and if it is WORKING.
In past MMOs, I've been in a crowd where we were promised this and that. How the devs will look into something and take care of it. Only to find out after months (or more than a year) that nothing has been done in regards to those words of "action."
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I don't think its his feet roasting on an open fire...
It's not. That's the burning smell of money that we all gave to Funcom.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
So it isn't true that the developer team are working on an expansion and 360 version?
It is. We are, of course, also staffing up. We're also moving people around.
Ahhh, yes. That.
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organizing, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
- Charlton Ogburn, "Merrill's Marauders", Harpers Magazine, January 1957
Damn shame they closed that thread.....I suppose Famine knew he'd better before they got a lot more responses. Hilarious that he chose to around 0430 pacific time/0730 eastern time, to post on the U.S. boards (by my count). They sure are looking for some constructive replies, when the thread is closed well before lunchtime anywhere in the North America! I suppose he was hoping only rabid fanbois would be around at that time. Wish someone would have linked that latency spike thread for "Lord Orion". Of course, they would have just ignored it or deleted the post, lol.
I think we can safely conclude that from his recent forum posts, Erling Ellingson is either a compulsive liar - or thinks he's talking about some other game that doesn't exist.
I believe he's talking about the content in AoC expansion next year...
I think we can safely conclude that from his recent forum posts, Erling Ellingson is either a compulsive liar - or thinks he's talking about some other game that doesn't exist.
I believe he's talking about the content in AoC expansion next year...
dont tell me people will be STUPID enough to BUY an expansion in order to get the content that SHOULD HAVE BEEN in at launch!!!!
AND, not even A YEAR before the first anniversary of the damn game!!!????
A few EU players began to whine that US players fubar'ed any shot at communicating with Funcom.
Honestly though, the questions he got weren't as bad as other QQ & whine threads I've seen. And as a guy at EU forums said "Worst thing they could do was to ask for questions then close the thread".
Just me that feels the questions posted in said thread were not that bad really compared to other threads? And even if not comparing, I'd still say it didn't warrant closing.
A few EU players began to whine that US players fubar'ed any shot at communicating with Funcom. Honestly though, the questions he got weren't as bad as other QQ & whine threads I've seen. And as a guy at EU forums said "Worst thing they could do was to ask for questions then close the thread". Just me that feels the questions posted in said thread were not that bad really compared to other threads? And even if not comparing, I'd still say it didn't warrant closing.
Of course it didnt.
Funcom should be grateful that even the players are taking the time out to explain the problems to them.
Sure youre going to get flamers and the like, but thats the internet for you.
Very, very bad decisions. Just shows you how disconnected from reality Funcom is.
WoW and EQ2 were polished and complete games at launch, as polished as a MMO can be obviously.
WoW was missing the Battleground to be honest, but that wasn't the core of the game (although it became quite popular afterward)
Everything else was in there and perfectly working.
AoC is not even close to those games at launch, so Funcom should stop comparing AoC with WoW, probably the best comparison would be Vanguard, in which case AoC comes out as a winner, but that doesn t make it shine either.
Are you kidding me? I guess you didn't play WOW and EQ2 at launch..Both games were horrible and both games had the same issues with bugs...I was there on both 1st day launches and they were horrible..AOC is a great game and it will get better if people would learn to be patient and relax a bit.
Even after 3 and 4 years WOW and EQ2 still have issues, any mmo that gets released will have issues..WOW and EQ2 are not as polished as people think it is, thus we still have patches. No need to patch a game that people think is polished and complete imo. If you want complete and polished go buy an Xbox 360, WII, PS3 and play those games.
People act like it is so simple to instantly fix all their comlaints over night, well I have been a programmer for 6 years and I can tell you it isn't that simple, anyone who is good @ programming knows it takes some serious time to go through all the code and to figure out how to fix things...
AOC has bugs, yes so what...Name a game that doesn't have any issues..
WoW and EQ2 were polished and complete games at launch, as polished as a MMO can be obviously.
WoW was missing the Battleground to be honest, but that wasn't the core of the game (although it became quite popular afterward)
Everything else was in there and perfectly working.
AoC is not even close to those games at launch, so Funcom should stop comparing AoC with WoW, probably the best comparison would be Vanguard, in which case AoC comes out as a winner, but that doesn t make it shine either.
Are you kidding me? I guess you didn't play WOW and EQ2 at launch..Both games were horrible and both games had the same issues with bugs...I was there on both 1st day launches and they were horrible..AOC is a great game and it will get better if people would learn to be patient and relax a bit.
Even after 3 and 4 years WOW and EQ2 still have issues, any mmo that gets released will have issues..WOW and EQ2 are not as polished as people think it is, thus we still have patches. No need to patch a game that people think is polished and complete imo. If you want complete and polished go buy an Xbox 360, WII, PS3 and play those games.
People act like it is so simple to instantly fix all their comlaints over night, well I have been a programmer for 6 years and I can tell you it isn't that simple, anyone who is good @ programming knows it takes some serious time to go through all the code and to figure out how to fix things...
AOC has bugs, yes so what...Name a game that doesn't have any issues..
WoW issue is mostly due to over population on the server, EQ2, yap i knda agree more.
Patches coming out is not only to address bugs found in game, but also to add or change the game content. Most of the patches bought out by WoW and some from EQ2 is adding more content for the game and balancing the class. LOTR also adds tons of content during their patches. Love them...
The diff between AoC and them is this..... AoC is missing tons of promise in-game content when launch. Most of the players that complain is about the content and also how buggy the game is like you are still playing beta.
So the issue with AoC is more than just normal bugs....
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Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Erlings to forum mods marines we are leaving. lock and delete any post not praising us.
Just to clear up some stuff.
WoW and EQ2 were polished and complete games at launch, as polished as a MMO can be obviously.
WoW was missing the Battleground to be honest, but that wasn't the core of the game (although it became quite popular afterward)
Everything else was in there and perfectly working.
AoC is not even close to those games at launch, so Funcom should stop comparing AoC with WoW, probably the best comparison would be Vanguard, in which case AoC comes out as a winner, but that doesn t make it shine either.
That's why devs stay away from the AoC forums, they can't defend anything about the game. This is the worst managed MMO I've ever seen. IMHO, those fools at FC are completely incompetent. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad, I don't like wasting money on scams.
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Discussions about Warhammer Online are open in the off-topic section of our forums. This is General Discussion and all topic should center around Age of Conan only.
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Tahi "
Even worse when the only games they could compare themselves to and come out favorably would be Mourning or Dark and Light.
to funny they ask for feed back and can't handle it
Im still stuck on whether hes completely dillusional, a liar or is my ex wifes twin
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Ah a fellow Smedly spotter
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I think we can safely conclude that from his recent forum posts, Erling Ellingson is either a compulsive liar - or thinks he's talking about some other game that doesn't exist.
I don't think its his feet roasting on an open fire...
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
I need to find out how you say "working as intended"in norweign so I can have it as a sig, lol
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You can just use the basic rule the EU and US moderators use on the AOC forums:
KRITIK VERBOTEN
I've said something similiar in another thread on this forum.
It's pointless to compare a new MMO's release to another MMO's past release because of that very same reason.
The bottom line is this: An MMO entering the fray has this to compete with, as far as the big name ones go:
EQ2: Several expansion packs worth. The only MMO SOE really put alot of effort into.
WoW: Not many expansions but especially by now in 2008, rock solid. I'm not a player, but several million CONTINOUSLY PAYING customers can't be totally wrong.
LotRO: Stable; lots of free, massive content updates.
And that's only 3 of them. These days, a new MMO has very stiff competition to face, with the Big Silverback Gorilla that is WoW dominating the landscape. There's good, well established, polished MMOs out there now, that have had years to mature.
This isn't like 1999 or 2000, where the choice of MMOs was extremely limited. Either you'll play this or that MMO, or you're not playing an MMO, period. This is 2008, and the choices are insane. You don't really have to stay with 1 or 2 MMOs because that's all there is. You can now try an MMO, and if it's not to your liking, leave it altogether and try another one (or go back to the old one). The list of MMOs out there is ridiculous.
Lastly, my personal opinion: Promises about grandoise, future updates to an MMO are about as useful as the gasses my friend excretes after eating a burrito. Anyone can put staged videos and pretty development screenshots. But the truth of the matter is the actual implementation of the features, and if it is WORKING.
In past MMOs, I've been in a crowd where we were promised this and that. How the devs will look into something and take care of it. Only to find out after months (or more than a year) that nothing has been done in regards to those words of "action."
It's not. That's the burning smell of money that we all gave to Funcom.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
It is. We are, of course, also staffing up. We're also moving people around.
Ahhh, yes. That.
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organizing, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
- Charlton Ogburn, "Merrill's Marauders", Harpers Magazine, January 1957
Damn shame they closed that thread.....I suppose Famine knew he'd better before they got a lot more responses. Hilarious that he chose to around 0430 pacific time/0730 eastern time, to post on the U.S. boards (by my count). They sure are looking for some constructive replies, when the thread is closed well before lunchtime anywhere in the North America! I suppose he was hoping only rabid fanbois would be around at that time. Wish someone would have linked that latency spike thread for "Lord Orion". Of course, they would have just ignored it or deleted the post, lol.
To bad they close that thread.
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what a joke
I believe he's talking about the content in AoC expansion next year...
RIP Orc Choppa
I believe he's talking about the content in AoC expansion next year...
dont tell me people will be STUPID enough to BUY an expansion in order to get the content that SHOULD HAVE BEEN in at launch!!!!
AND, not even A YEAR before the first anniversary of the damn game!!!????
A few EU players began to whine that US players fubar'ed any shot at communicating with Funcom.
Honestly though, the questions he got weren't as bad as other QQ & whine threads I've seen. And as a guy at EU forums said "Worst thing they could do was to ask for questions then close the thread".
Just me that feels the questions posted in said thread were not that bad really compared to other threads? And even if not comparing, I'd still say it didn't warrant closing.
RIP Blackguard. May a resurrection come.
Of course it didnt.
Funcom should be grateful that even the players are taking the time out to explain the problems to them.
Sure youre going to get flamers and the like, but thats the internet for you.
Very, very bad decisions. Just shows you how disconnected from reality Funcom is.
dont tell me people will be STUPID enough to BUY an expansion in order to get the content that SHOULD HAVE BEEN in at launch!!!!
AND, not even A YEAR before the first anniversary of the damn game!!!????
You will be in for a very big surprise.....
RIP Orc Choppa
Are you kidding me? I guess you didn't play WOW and EQ2 at launch..Both games were horrible and both games had the same issues with bugs...I was there on both 1st day launches and they were horrible..AOC is a great game and it will get better if people would learn to be patient and relax a bit.
Even after 3 and 4 years WOW and EQ2 still have issues, any mmo that gets released will have issues..WOW and EQ2 are not as polished as people think it is, thus we still have patches. No need to patch a game that people think is polished and complete imo. If you want complete and polished go buy an Xbox 360, WII, PS3 and play those games.
People act like it is so simple to instantly fix all their comlaints over night, well I have been a programmer for 6 years and I can tell you it isn't that simple, anyone who is good @ programming knows it takes some serious time to go through all the code and to figure out how to fix things...
AOC has bugs, yes so what...Name a game that doesn't have any issues..
Very enjoyable this is
Are you kidding me? I guess you didn't play WOW and EQ2 at launch..Both games were horrible and both games had the same issues with bugs...I was there on both 1st day launches and they were horrible..AOC is a great game and it will get better if people would learn to be patient and relax a bit.
Even after 3 and 4 years WOW and EQ2 still have issues, any mmo that gets released will have issues..WOW and EQ2 are not as polished as people think it is, thus we still have patches. No need to patch a game that people think is polished and complete imo. If you want complete and polished go buy an Xbox 360, WII, PS3 and play those games.
People act like it is so simple to instantly fix all their comlaints over night, well I have been a programmer for 6 years and I can tell you it isn't that simple, anyone who is good @ programming knows it takes some serious time to go through all the code and to figure out how to fix things...
AOC has bugs, yes so what...Name a game that doesn't have any issues..
WoW issue is mostly due to over population on the server, EQ2, yap i knda agree more.
Patches coming out is not only to address bugs found in game, but also to add or change the game content. Most of the patches bought out by WoW and some from EQ2 is adding more content for the game and balancing the class. LOTR also adds tons of content during their patches. Love them...
The diff between AoC and them is this..... AoC is missing tons of promise in-game content when launch. Most of the players that complain is about the content and also how buggy the game is like you are still playing beta.
So the issue with AoC is more than just normal bugs....
RIP Orc Choppa