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Slythe
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I can't believe people still rabidly defend this game. After all the lies, spin and missing game mechanics there appears to be one new "crusader" every day that pops up on the AoC forums to assume his role as a defender.
-People posting that their in-game mail has disappeared are told "You were using your mail for storage, it's an exploit so they deleted them."
-forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
-Reported posts of only 120 players at off-time and the OP is called jobless because he actually took the time (15 minutes) to find the numbers.
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
-People posting that their guild has completely lost all their players and all people say is "Good riddance" and "Funcom doesn't want the whiners to play anyway." (Denial, it isn't just a river in Egypt.)
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
-People saying mounts are useless and others respond by saying "That's only the low level horses, the more expensive ones are better". Which, as we all know, is a huge lie. Siege mounts that are worthless in sieges, that's Funcom for you.
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
You know what the real problem with AoC is, in my hallowed opinion? The douche bag fanboi's that try to convince others that this game has "potential." Well like another forum poster said, my turd has potential too. It could be used as a fertilizer or as a natural fuel for cars.
In closing, Bill O'Reilley says it best about AoC. www.youtube.com/watch
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You think the game sucks but you take your time to dig up all this info about it. You know, funcom has you by the balls more than they do the fans of the game.
Yeah but the Kool-Aid is so very tasty.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Aw did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry. Actually AoC wouldn't have been that bad of a game if they hadn't outright lied about features and hyped it so much. They made their bed, now they are sleeping in it.
Aw did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry. Actually AoC wouldn't have been that bad of a game if they hadn't outright lied about features and hyped it so much. They made their bed, now they are sleeping in it.
Hit a nerve? Hardly. Just pointing out the failures of your posting.
Aw did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry. Actually AoC wouldn't have been that bad of a game if they hadn't outright lied about features and hyped it so much. They made their bed, now they are sleeping in it.
Hit a nerve? Hardly. Just pointing out the failures of your posting.
I'm curious. How was the OP a fail? The point was made, with links. If there were no links you'd cry "Link or it didn't happen!" Right?
Lets get to the nitty gritty, you just hate seeing people post the truth about AoC, admit it.
Uh huh right. Funcom does not "have me by the balls" but I do admit, their forums are like crack mixed with heroine with a touch of nicotine. The only ones Funcom has by the balls are the ones who lash out to protect their sacred game when anyone says anything remotely bad about it.
Like I've said before, I LOVE trolling the AoC forums while I'm doing something else, whether it's modeling in Blender or whatever. It's one of the first forums I check when I get home each day. Damn, maybe they do have me by the balls...for their forums.
Boy, this pissing contest is really turning me on.
Behave, please.
Edit for clarification: I don't have any issue with the topic at hand, but I don't like seeing topics dragged into a pit of personal attacks.
I would think they have the people that are paying them to play more by the short hairs. They treat the players badly, yet charge them for the pleasure.
Slythe, this happens with every bad game release. Fanbois will defend it even after the bitter end (look at VG... that game was a flop, and people were still defending it months after release, kinda like Baghdad Bob after the invasion.)
AOC is no different.
I've noticed, however, that some gamers are becoming less emotionally attached and more objective. When POTBS released (and flopped), there were much fewer fanbois.
- Phos
You know no matter what issues the game has there are people playing it, loving it and enjoying it. Just because their views about the game don't fully correlate with your own or anyone with a "failcom" avatar doesn't mean we should call people names, as gamers we should respect each others opinion.
"Doucebag" name calling aside, there is more provocation to people who like the game from those that don't. It gets pretty hard to talk even about the game itself without people popping in a thread and taking it off topic.
You bring some points up for reference in your post, but really the 120 people one I think is just silly. Made by Octa who posts here? Tick every zone but it doesn't add all the instances up of each zone does it?
Did you know that a lot of guilds left, broke up, or merged because they couldn't deal with the game mechanics in working together to get resources for a City or Battlekeep? I would also look at that one thread you linked as 1, people haven't logged in for 4-5days. 2, doesnt list guild name, 3. I love warhammer post, 4, admission he left the guild 2 weeks ago, wtf? 5. Bring up insulting someone about gaypride colours. how can he tell if no one logged in for past 4-5 days. Smells like BS and thats just my opinon. I would argue that when it came down to it some people could just not be asked here. Guilds losing people, yes that is going on, its noticeable in mine but no where crippling, I feel confident in saying that pretty much sums up the majority of guilds on my server too.
How can this be looked at constructively? First I would revamp the whole guild system, options and U.I. to promote most social interactions, rather than solo play for greed. Bearing in mind FC have already acknowledged this feedback and are working on changes. To little to late? maybe for some, but those same people need to realise that there are those still in game plodding along having a good time. You want to call me a douchebag for waiting for a change to something that needs improvement, but can make do with it for now?
Siege mounts now do more damage in sieges after a patch in a few weeks back, in the newsletter they are working on making them more worthwhile, from several server particular posts with feedback right from the inital ones. Calling them worthless is to much opinion in the wrong direction if you ask me. Mount feedback is great, at least its constructive, and these things are always in motion and needs looking at. Mounts are a definate area for improvement. Having a Horse and getting knocked off? Knockback resistance levels? Type of horse? level of person/ mob knocking off rider from horse?
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what people think about the game, there will always be those that enjoy it for what it is. Most mainstream media acknowledges constructively that the game has more promise and if delievered would be 'a vast improvement' or 'making the game better' (depending on the review).
What is so wrong that people can't appreicate / accept / acknowledge / respect others? is it because people got burned so bad in their opinion? or is everything jaded? or they took the hype right in and it didn't equal expectations? just asking.. Why do people troll the official boards each day if they have no interest in the game, to have interest means something has to be appealing, if its not game related, nor community involvement then what type of person is that?
In closing i do understand that some people take it to heart in feeling they were let down, but to ignore everyone is shortsightedness at best.
You know no matter what issues the game has there are people playing it, loving it and enjoying it. Just because their views about the game don't fully correlate with your own or anyone with a "failcom" avatar doesn't mean we should call people names, as gamers we should respect each others opinion.
"Doucebag" name calling aside, there is more provocation to people who like the game from those that don't. It gets pretty hard to talk even about the game itself without people popping in a thread and taking it off topic.
You bring some points up for reference in your post, but really the 120 people one I think is just silly. Made by Octa who posts here? Tick every zone but it doesn't add all the instances up of each zone does it?
Did you know that a lot of guilds left, broke up, or merged because they couldn't deal with the game mechanics in working together to get resources for a City or Battlekeep? I would also look at that one thread you linked as 1, people haven't logged in for 4-5days. 2, doesnt list guild name, 3. I love warhammer post, 4, admission he left the guild 2 weeks ago, wtf? 5. Bring up insulting someone about gaypride colours. how can he tell if no one logged in for past 4-5 days. Smells like BS and thats just my opinon. I would argue that when it came down to it some people could just not be asked here. Guilds losing people, yes that is going on, its noticeable in mine but no where crippling, I feel confident in saying that pretty much sums up the majority of guilds on my server too.
How can this be looked at constructively? First I would revamp the whole guild system, options and U.I. to promote most social interactions, rather than solo play for greed. Bearing in mind FC have already acknowledged this feedback and are working on changes. To little to late? maybe for some, but those same people need to realise that there are those still in game plodding along having a good time. You want to call me a douchebag for waiting for a change to something that needs improvement, but can make do with it for now?
Siege mounts now do more damage in sieges after a patch in a few weeks back, in the newsletter they are working on making them more worthwhile, from several server particular posts with feedback right from the inital ones. Calling them worthless is to much opinion in the wrong direction if you ask me. Mount feedback is great, at least its constructive, and these things are always in motion and needs looking at. Mounts are a definate area for improvement. Having a Horse and getting knocked off? Knockback resistance levels? Type of horse? level of person/ mob knocking off rider from horse?
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what people think about the game, there will always be those that enjoy it for what it is. Most mainstream media acknowledges constructively that the game has more promise and if delievered would be 'a vast improvement' or 'making the game better' (depending on the review).
What is so wrong that people can't appreicate / accept / acknowledge / respect others? is it because people got burned so bad in their opinion? or is everything jaded? or they took the hype right in and it didn't equal expectations? just asking.. Why do people troll the official boards each day if they have no interest in the game, to have interest means something has to be appealing, if its not game related, nor community involvement then what type of person is that?
In closing i do understand that some people take it to heart in feeling they were let down, but to ignore everyone is shortsightedness at best.
Is it because people got burned so bad in their opinion?
That just seems condescending to me. The facts are that people were burned. Dx10 anyone? I'm sick of people playing down that it's only 50.00. That is still a lot of money to me and the fact is many things promised in this game are still not available.
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If you are insulted by being called a fanboi it's a good bet that you are one
People defend it because they realize it is just a game. All the hate comes from people who take it too serious and want to cry about it because they have nothing better to do.
No one called you a douche bag Avery..not in this thread at least.
I think you made a good post, but it makes me wonder, because you always say "They are working on it", or "They are taking feedback", or "In an upcoming patch.."
How much patience do you have AA? Must be a mountain full. As the MMORPG GC elect, I understand your subscription is paid, so you have no financial concern. I can accept you like the game and are giving them time, sure. I have to wonder how many months after release are you willing to give them to get the game in release shape?
Do you not have a problem with rampant gem dupes and other exploits not being addressed? Do you really accept the PvP system wasn't supposed to be in at launch....in a PvP-centric game?
I guess I am "Amazed" at you Avery. You seem like a smart, nice enough guy, but man, you have an endless supply of unwarranted good will to FunCom.
What a brilliant, non-glib opinion. You heard it here first folks. All the hordes of bad press, bad word of mouth, and bleeding subs from AoC has nothing to do with the game at all, the game is perfect. Problem is the players all took spending their money too seriously and really need a good cry "because they have nothing to do".
Brilliant.
*Whew! I thought it might be a broken unfinished game and a company that outright lied to get sales!**
I would be shocked if you were truly independent and actually believed this.
I would respond to the entirety of your post by saying this in a provocative form, just to show you what I mean:
- I have duped hundreds of gems to sell, and used 40 duped +polearm damage gems in my own gear
- I have exploited all tier 1 raid bosses early on and obtained full tier 1 in a week where it will take 4-5 months for most people doing it legitimately
- I have exploited the epic rain mobs in Poitain and have 40-50 epic weapons lying around for sale (not counting the ones I'm using myself)
- I have farmed over 700 gold in epic fotd before it got nerfed 2 months after release, people would be lucky to have 20-30 gold in a month of grinding now
- I am one of several hundreds of early 80s who did all that on every server, including yours! I'll be able to run the economy and dominate in PVP over all newcomers and recent 80s - and Funcom hasn't done anything about it, nor ever will!
The weird part is that whereas I knew about all those exploits, I never used them
I was on the forums for AOC, pointing out the gem exploits, the epic rain exploit, the gold farming - SCREAMING for Funcom to hotfix this stuff FAST, before it got out of hand.
But they locked my posts, deleted my URGENT feedback.
The gem duping exploit is STILL going on, and none of the exploiters will EVER face the consequences of cheating, they will stay on your server knowing that they got a nice headstart by cheating and leaving YOU behind to grind your life away to catch up
And now the game is terminally dead, the economy is borked up, all the early 80s have 1000s of duplicated gems and ill-gotten raid gear epics and 100s of gold they farmed - doing things that should have been hotfixed in 1-2 days but were left to fester for 1-2 MONTHS.
And all this because Funcom doesn't listen to its players, doesn't fix huge issues in their game and because quite frankly, AOC as a game is a total, abject failure. People who think it will recover are, in my opinion, either stupid, locked-in by misplaced fanboyism, or paid by Funcom to say so.
Pick the one you like best!
XD
What a brilliant, non-glib opinion. You heard it here first folks. All the hordes of bad press, bad word of mouth, and bleeding subs from AoC has nothing to do with the game at all, the game is perfect. Problem is the players all took spending their money too seriously and really need a good cry "because they have nothing to do".
Brilliant.
*Whew! I thought it might be a broken unfinished game and a company that outright lied to get sales!**
LOL thanks for replying to that post, you saved me from having to do it myself and you worded it better than I would have.
If people realized it was just a game, why would they care when someone says something about it then? See that logic works both ways.
Avery I have nothing against you at all, you actually seem to be a likable fellow and you never resort to personal attacks on others or stupid crap like that.
To answer your questions here, I was kinda mad at Funcom because I got screwed. Look in my post history to see how I got screwed, I made a topic a few months ago to talk about it (the name of the thread- "My long list of problems with the game".) The reason I read the official boards each day is for amusement, to see what lies and hype Funcom creates next. They love to dangle those carrots, more so than any other video company I've seen.
I think a lot of us haters wanted to like this game, we really did. But when Funcom failed to deliver, it left a bad taste in our mouths because they promised so much, and delivered so little. And then had the nerve to compare their game to WoW as being steak compared to a greasy hamburger. It's these and a lot more reasons that Funcom is feeling the heat right now.
He did label in his opinion that douchbag fanboi's (people who say the game has potential) - pretty wide sweeping statement I think.
I have passed on a ton of feedback to FC direct from these boards in the past couple weeks, so I know they are taking things on board, and I am waiting for that to come back to me in an official capacity. Server specific forums which discuss Sieges in particular (as one example) had dev's on it providing feedback asking about new issues that cropped up as well as links and people explaing things when petitioned and answers.
I am a patient guy. I do not get my subscription paid by anyone except by myself, and that was out of the wifes allowance
I paid 6 months upfront, due for renewal Xmas Eve. What people like yourself and the OP are having trouble with is those in game, playing the game with all these issues and still having an "ok" time (including myself) I will re-evaluate my sub status in December. For now I think I getting my monies worth, but it should of been a lot more worth. I agree, but im doing fine for now. I am also anticipating the forthcoming updates too.
Gem dupes from what I hear are on the test live server and not in the main game or are in the main game at less of a level. Do I have a problem with that? Forsure I do. I have experienced this in other games? Yes I have. I played Runescape back in early 2001, what happened there? Party Hats were duped and sold for millions of gold, the game got more popular, the duping stopped and people were banned. How long did it go on for? about a year. Was the economy screwed in that time? Yep. The game population doubled in size during that period though. Not matter the game is crap (personally speaking for many reasons) its still a fair comparison, because I believe FC will fix the Dupe stuff soon before the economy is fubared more being a new game.
PvP system, was talked about in length before release, the only thing Erling talked about (month or so prior to launch) was that their are levels and gear. And thats about it. Did it make it to launch? no, will it still come out? Yes of course but improved upon and different in mechanics that was talked about. So in essence we had the basis of something that should of been therebut wasn't, but we are getting a lot more than what was said before release. So im upbeat for that, but I can make it thru till that happens, yes I am sad it didn't make it in for release as the public perceived. I felt a bit let down, I am on a PvP server afterall. Content, game issues aside, I still getting monies worth from the game.
If its ok to counter with my own in an alright fashion and not being labelled as something negative for having that opinion, then I'm all for conversation. While I appreciate that enough is enough for some, and can see where people are coming from there, my own experience is similar and I can relate, thing is I have a different outcome and I don't think that is bad at all.
Avery I have nothing against you at all, you actually seem to be a likable fellow and you never resort to personal attacks on others or stupid crap like that.
To answer your questions here, I was kinda mad at Funcom because I got screwed. Look in my post history to see how I got screwed, I made a topic a few months ago to talk about it (the name of the thread- "My long list of problems with the game".) The reason I read the official boards each day is for amusement, to see what lies and hype Funcom creates next. They love to dangle those carrots, more so than any other video company I've seen.
I think a lot of us haters wanted to like this game, we really did. But when Funcom failed to deliver, it left a bad taste in our mouths because they promised so much, and delivered so little. And then had the nerve to compare their game to WoW as being steak compared to a greasy hamburger. It's these and a lot more reasons that Funcom is feeling the heat right now.
Personally, it just boils down to being tired of companies releasing really unfinished games. FunCom just happened to do a spectacular job of it.
He did label in his opinion that douchbag fanboi's (people who say the game has potential) - pretty wide sweeping statement I think.
I have passed on a ton of feedback to FC direct from these boards in the past couple weeks, so I know they are taking things on board, and I am waiting for that to come back to me in an official capacity. Server specific forums which discuss Sieges in particular (as one example) had dev's on it providing feedback asking about new issues that cropped up as well as links and people explaing things when petitioned and answers.
I am a patient guy. I do not get my subscription paid by anyone except by myself, and that was out of the wifes allowance
I paid 6 months upfront, due for renewal Xmas Eve. What people like yourself and the OP are having trouble with is those in game, playing the game with all these issues and still having an "ok" time (including myself) I will re-evaluate my sub status in December. For now I think I getting my monies worth, but it should of been a lot more worth. I agree, but im doing fine for now. I am also anticipating the forthcoming updates too.
Gem dupes from what I hear are on the test live server and not in the main game or are in the main game at less of a level. Do I have a problem with that? Forsure I do. I have experienced this in other games? Yes I have. I played Runescape back in early 2001, what happened there? Party Hats were duped and sold for millions of gold, the game got more popular, the duping stopped and people were banned. How long did it go on for? about a year. Was the economy screwed in that time? Yep. The game population doubled in size during that period though. Not matter the game is crap (personally speaking for many reasons) its still a fair comparison, because I believe FC will fix the Dupe stuff soon before the economy is fubared more being a new game.
PvP system, was talked about in length before release, the only thing Erling talked about (month or so prior to launch) was that their are levels and gear. And thats about it. Did it make it to launch? no, will it still come out? Yes of course but improved upon and different in mechanics that was talked about. So in essence we had the basis of something that should of been therebut wasn't, but we are getting a lot more than what was said before release. So im upbeat for that, but I can make it thru till that happens, yes I am sad it didn't make it in for release as the public perceived. I felt a bit let down, I am on a PvP server afterall. Content, game issues aside, I still getting monies worth from the game.
If its ok to counter with my own in an alright fashion and not being labelled as something negative for having that opinion, then I'm all for conversation. While I appreciate that enough is enough for some, and can see where people are coming from there, my own experience is similar and I can relate, thing is I have a different outcome and I don't think that is bad at all.
So you are 80 right? I read your posts on how you have tried some raids and such. Have you done any successful BK sieges? Do they work yet? Any videos?
Also, I missed the "douche" comment then. Yeah, no call for that. Though I disagree with you on many points, you don't deserve that.
EDIT: As far as I know the gem duping has been going on for a week or more on live servers. You must agree that given the unbalanced PvP, one-shotting and DMG Vs Invul gems nerfs that this warranted a hot-fix. Even a server downtime immediately until fixed?
Um no, that's not what my post was about. My post was about the attitudes of the fanboi's at the official forums. If you play the game that's great. I wish I could enjoy the game too, but I have standards. Especially when it comes to customer service that companies provide.
*And no, I was not calling anyone a douche bag except for the people who posted rude comments in those links that I posted. Sorry for the confusion.
Avery I have nothing against you at all, you actually seem to be a likable fellow and you never resort to personal attacks on others or stupid crap like that.
To answer your questions here, I was kinda mad at Funcom because I got screwed. Look in my post history to see how I got screwed, I made a topic a few months ago to talk about it (the name of the thread- "My long list of problems with the game".) The reason I read the official boards each day is for amusement, to see what lies and hype Funcom creates next. They love to dangle those carrots, more so than any other video company I've seen.
I think a lot of us haters wanted to like this game, we really did. But when Funcom failed to deliver, it left a bad taste in our mouths because they promised so much, and delivered so little. And then had the nerve to compare their game to WoW as being steak compared to a greasy hamburger. It's these and a lot more reasons that Funcom is feeling the heat right now.
Ok, so my question is where do we go from here? There will be people who have moved on, yes of course there is! X-fire stats are down, yes they are. People are not seeing things fixed quick enough for them, this upsets them more. When some things are fixed it breaks other things.
Can the game be improved? Whats left for the people who play the game and like it? Is there things that will entice people back? or to little to late?
Do Funcom need to be honest more with AoC players? Yep
Do we need more communication? Yep
I don't want to say too much as things are upcoming in correspondent article but maybe they will answer some of these questions - and yes - I did ask them to be honest, so we shall see what happens. (and no I don't have the answers yet!)
What can we do for those still in game to keep them there? I think there are many reasons evident to Funcom, so its up to them now to make good, to put the wrong, right. I think they did this with AO, amazing turn around, will people still be around when this happens? or to be proper here - "IF" this happens (I think it will for the better)
Um no, that's not what my post was about. My post was about the attitudes of the fanboi's at the official forums. If you play the game that's great. I wish I could enjoy the game too, but I have standards. Especially when it comes to customer service that companies provide.
*And no, I was not calling anyone a douche bag except for the people who posted rude comments in those links that I posted. Sorry for the confusion.
And i am sorry for reading it wrong and getting a different impression.
NO
no no no and no
You just made this up "in the main game at less of a level"... what does that even mean?
Stop saying stuff you either know is wrong or about which you have no clue
You can gem dupe right now, on your live server with your live char, like any of the hundreds of people doing it right now
People know this and have been reporting it to Funcom for weeks, but had their threads deleted and infractions/bans put on their accounts for mentioning it (without detailing how it's done)
I can agree with you on this, AO was an amazing game once they worked on it. It was one of my favorite games of all time when it was in it's prime. But sadly I don't think AoC will ever be as deep as AO was, but then again you never know.
Man I miss playing AO, I tried playing a few months back and it just wasn't the same.
Avery I have nothing against you at all, you actually seem to be a likable fellow and you never resort to personal attacks on others or stupid crap like that.
To answer your questions here, I was kinda mad at Funcom because I got screwed. Look in my post history to see how I got screwed, I made a topic a few months ago to talk about it (the name of the thread- "My long list of problems with the game".) The reason I read the official boards each day is for amusement, to see what lies and hype Funcom creates next. They love to dangle those carrots, more so than any other video company I've seen.
I think a lot of us haters wanted to like this game, we really did. But when Funcom failed to deliver, it left a bad taste in our mouths because they promised so much, and delivered so little. And then had the nerve to compare their game to WoW as being steak compared to a greasy hamburger. It's these and a lot more reasons that Funcom is feeling the heat right now.
Ok, so my question is where do we go from here? There will be people who have moved on, yes of course there is! X-fire stats are down, yes they are. People are not seeing things fixed quick enough for them, this upsets them more. When some things are fixed it breaks other things.
Can the game be improved? Whats left for the people who play the game and like it? Is there things that will entice people back? or to little to late?
Do Funcom need to be honest more with AoC players? Yep
Do we need more communication? Yep
I don't want to say too much as things are upcoming in correspondent article but maybe they will answer some of these questions - and yes - I did ask them to be honest, so we shall see what happens. (and no I don't have the answers yet!)
What can we do for those still in game to keep them there? I think there are many reasons evident to Funcom, so its up to them now to make good, to put the wrong, right. I think they did this with AO, amazing turn around, will people still be around when this happens? or to be proper here - "IF" this happens (I think it will for the better)
Um no, that's not what my post was about. My post was about the attitudes of the fanboi's at the official forums. If you play the game that's great. I wish I could enjoy the game too, but I have standards. Especially when it comes to customer service that companies provide.
*And no, I was not calling anyone a douche bag except for the people who posted rude comments in those links that I posted. Sorry for the confusion.
And i am sorry for reading it wrong and getting a different impression.
Where to go from here? Many will move on, some will stay waiting for the miracle patch.
Riddle me this Avery, humor me. Why can't the lead dev take tem minutes of his day once a week to make a dev blog covering things like known issues, what's in the pipe, and building a rapport with the people who pay to play?
I bet you and I would actually agree that this simple gesture would earn FC very much breathing room and a break from the player base.
So why do they care so little as to not even talk to the customers?