Originally posted by diegofrgc Well, the chars you see in the pic are Zorai. All the Zorai are blue-skinned and have a mask. Yes, the Zorai look repetitive, but are the best for magic
are they? i thought the only thing races did was the looks. I.e no racial bonuses.
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Originally posted by Djin It wouldn't be fair if a orc was as good in magic as a high elf... would it?
Huh?
________________________________________________________________ The only game I have really enjoyed is Earth and Beyond. A tale in the Desert was a close second (lack of players caused me to quit). Tried Rubies of Evertide, Linage, Dark age of Camelot, and Anarchy Online. Liked none of them.
Originally posted by Djin What I'm saying is this. Do you think it's fair to have all races equal in STR/DEX/INT etc? No it's not. So of course one race will be better then another in a certain area.
THEY AREN'T tho. races have no racial bonuses. this aint Orcs and humans its homins so the rules are different.
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I don't see why it isn't fair. You are assuming that stats are the only way to have differences in the races. Well it's not. Each race in the game has certain materials and weapons they can only use. Each race functions better in their own ecosystems. So if I play a Zorai and try to prospect in the forest I won't do as well as I would in the jungle. I also know from reading the background that the Zorai have mastered magnitism while the other races have not. Above all of that the differences in races will play a much larger role when the story gets moving.
________________________________________________________________ The only game I have really enjoyed is Earth and Beyond. A tale in the Desert was a close second (lack of players caused me to quit). Tried Rubies of Evertide, Linage, Dark age of Camelot, and Anarchy Online. Liked none of them.
[quote]Originally posted by Djin [b]I'm also saying that certain races should be stronger then others... wouldn't that be more realistic?
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What exactly are you using to determine what realistic is? Because in other games certain races are stronger than others? Well the races in this game are very original and there is no real comparison to races in other games. Can't use thier origins as a basis for realism becuase it's unknown where they all originate from.
________________________________________________________________ The only game I have really enjoyed is Earth and Beyond. A tale in the Desert was a close second (lack of players caused me to quit). Tried Rubies of Evertide, Linage, Dark age of Camelot, and Anarchy Online. Liked none of them.
I believe you are on the right track with the race analogy. The information I have found so far about the different races places them in a very similar configuration. Most of the differences are primarily cosmetic. The Materials you can use to craft items will be slightly different because some materials can only be found in certain areas and each race has their own particular style. This does not mean that you cannot learn how to create those items, obtain those items or use those items. It only means that you will have to wait until you can interact with that culture and land before you can.
Any one character has the opportunity to learn any skill, create any item and use any item. They are not restricted in ability but in opportunity. Pick any race and they will have certain resources available to them that the others do not, much like our real world system. Once players are powerfull enough to travel to other lands then the mingling of societies will happen and thus a mingling of abilities, items and knowledge.
Originally posted by s0v3r3i6n Lol. That's classic. Think of it like black people vs asian people vs white people. Kind of different but they all share the same potential.
I am a genetic engineer and this is a false statement.
Not all races are equal.
You'll hate me for saying this but Asians are smarter than Whites by 2.5 IQ points. Whites are smarter than Blacks by 5 IQ points. Jews have an average IQ of 135...The highest of them all.(Presumably because they went through a selection event during WWII, something that hasen't happend to mankind since the middle ages)
Blacks are stronger than Whites by ~10% HGH level. Stronger than asians by ~25% HGH level. HGH level determines both maximum strength potential and strength gain over a given time period. Blacks get skin cancer less than asians less than whites. Blacks have less control over their emotions due to allelic frequencey of a gene I can't rember the name to. They tend to get sickle-cell anemia more and Malaria less than all other races.
I don't know who told you the fairy tale that we are all born equal...It is just that.
Originally posted by Xira The game is ranked #1 because the owners of this site have decided to sell user review stats. When EVE was heavily advertised it was #1. Then it was COH. Starport for a while. Now it's SoR's turn.
are you a serious boy ? ( or girl ...)
it has been ranked #1 just because at release gamers that buy the game are supporting it and make good reviews.
not so smart for a genetic engineer .... according to your statements ... you may be black !
I am a genetic engineer and this is a false statement.
Not all races are equal.
You'll hate me for saying this but Asians are smarter than Whites by 2.5 IQ points. Whites are smarter than Blacks by 5 IQ points. Jews have an average IQ of 135...The highest of them all.(Presumably because they went through a selection event during WWII, something that hasen't happend to mankind since the middle ages)
Blacks are stronger than Whites by ~10% HGH level. Stronger than asians by ~25% HGH level. HGH level determines both maximum strength potential and strength gain over a given time period. Blacks get skin cancer less than asians less than whites. Blacks have less control over their emotions due to allelic frequencey of a gene I can't rember the name to. They tend to get sickle-cell anemia more and Malaria less than all other races.
I don't know who told you the fairy tale that we are all born equal...It is just that.
Ok..I apologize but I have to rant on this statement - lol
First of all Mr. Genetic Engineer - lol, Jews are not a race.
The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in different periods in history. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to designate members of the tribe of Judah, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah. Centuries later, the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose religion was Judaism.
In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, not genetically but specifically for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Black race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.
But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race.
Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. You could never become black or asian no matter how much you might want to if you were born caucasion and vice versa.
On the other hand, common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Anyone can choose to become a Jew - whether Black, Asian, etc.
---End of rant and Judaism 101 lecture ----
Back to the topic at hand, having distinct strenths/weakness among character classes is indeed more realistic and lends a strategic approach to character development. I believe any MMO including Ryzom needs to have a diversity with the skills/attributes of the various player races.
I am a genetic engineer and this is a false statement. <snip of a large portion of idiocy>
As a genetic engineer - you might want to review what constitutes a race. Probably back in genetics 101. Sheesh! What genetic engineering school did you go to?
While politically the US government considers Jews as a race - this is simply for protection under anti-discrimination laws.
Jews are clearly not a race, most definitely not in a genetic sense. While they are a social segment that can evaluated separately - WWII was hardly the selection-of-the-smartest process you try and imply. The smartest were often targeted more frequently for extermination. You might argue only the cleverest managed to escape - but it would not only be a difficult proof... you'd then have to relate this back to IQ test scores.
Rubbish.
The IQ differences you cite, and don't back up, are far more likely to be based on skewing from the tests themselves. Or from a cultural, educational, or environmental impact than from any genetic cause.
Are races all the same? Certainly no more than people are all the same. But idiots apparently pop up in all races (and professions).
[quote]Originally posted by iceseraph [b] Ok..I apologize but I have to rant on this statement - lol First of all Mr. Genetic Engineer - lol, Jews are not a race. [/quote]
You can define any small segment of interbreeding human population as a 'race'. In that respect Eastern European Decendant Methodox Jews are a race. Their racial IQ is 135.
The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in different periods in history. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to designate members of the tribe of Judah, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah. Centuries later, the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose religion was Judaism.
Nice history lesson:) Yes I was unclear in my use of the word 'jew' but my revised definition is applicable.
I am not reffering to all those who claim the religon of Juddasim. I am only reffering to the small sexually isolated segment of the population directly decended from Eastern European Methodox Jews.
Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. You could never become black or asian no matter how much you might want to if you were born caucasion and vice versa.
Indeed. This segment of the Jewish population I am reffering to has distinctive genetic and phenotypic traits. I belive that in addition to being almost genius they have a couple of preponderances to genetic diseases(Hmmm..Turner's Syndrome? No that's not right....Ummm...Oh well I ain't gonna look it up.) caused by inbreeding.
On the other hand, common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Anyone can choose to become a Jew - whether Black, Asian, etc.
To join the religon of the Jews indeed that is the case. But to be a "Jew" as it applies to the genetic distinction I am makeing it requires all of the things in the quote above this one.
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Well, the chars you see in the pic are Zorai.
All the Zorai are blue-skinned and have a mask.
Yes, the Zorai look repetitive, but are the best for magic
What will he do next?
are they? i thought the only thing races did was the looks. I.e no racial bonuses.
Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, EverQuest 2 World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
What will he do next?
Huh?
________________________________________________________________
The only game I have really enjoyed is Earth and Beyond. A tale in the Desert was a close second (lack of players caused me to quit). Tried Rubies of Evertide, Linage, Dark age of Camelot, and Anarchy Online. Liked none of them.
What I'm saying is this.
Do you think it's fair to have all races equal in STR/DEX/INT etc? No it's not. So of course one race will be better then another in a certain area.
What will he do next?
THEY AREN'T tho. races have no racial bonuses. this aint Orcs and humans its homins so the rules are different.
Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, EverQuest 2 World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
I don't know anything about this game...
What will he do next?
I don't see why it isn't fair. You are assuming that stats are the only way to have differences in the races. Well it's not. Each race in the game has certain materials and weapons they can only use. Each race functions better in their own ecosystems. So if I play a Zorai and try to prospect in the forest I won't do as well as I would in the jungle. I also know from reading the background that the Zorai have mastered magnitism while the other races have not. Above all of that the differences in races will play a much larger role when the story gets moving.
________________________________________________________________
The only game I have really enjoyed is Earth and Beyond. A tale in the Desert was a close second (lack of players caused me to quit). Tried Rubies of Evertide, Linage, Dark age of Camelot, and Anarchy Online. Liked none of them.
What will he do next?
[quote]Originally posted by Djin
[b]I'm also saying that certain races should be stronger then others... wouldn't that be more realistic?
[/quote]
What exactly are you using to determine what realistic is? Because in other games certain races are stronger than others? Well the races in this game are very original and there is no real comparison to races in other games. Can't use thier origins as a basis for realism becuase it's unknown where they all originate from.
________________________________________________________________
The only game I have really enjoyed is Earth and Beyond. A tale in the Desert was a close second (lack of players caused me to quit). Tried Rubies of Evertide, Linage, Dark age of Camelot, and Anarchy Online. Liked none of them.
Lol. That's classic. Think of it like black people vs asian people vs white people. Kind of different but they all share the same potential.
I believe you are on the right track with the race analogy. The information I have found so far about the different races places them in a very similar configuration. Most of the differences are primarily cosmetic. The Materials you can use to craft items will be slightly different because some materials can only be found in certain areas and each race has their own particular style. This does not mean that you cannot learn how to create those items, obtain those items or use those items. It only means that you will have to wait until you can interact with that culture and land before you can.
Any one character has the opportunity to learn any skill, create any item and use any item. They are not restricted in ability but in opportunity. Pick any race and they will have certain resources available to them that the others do not, much like our real world system. Once players are powerfull enough to travel to other lands then the mingling of societies will happen and thus a mingling of abilities, items and knowledge.
I hope I have made sense
- AnimD
I'm not even going to go on with this.
You should know what I'm talking about, but instead you pick it apart...
What will he do next?
it must be an old screen
The game is ranked #1 because the owners of this site have decided to sell user review stats.
When EVE was heavily advertised it was #1. Then it was COH. Starport for a while. Now it's SoR's turn.
I am a genetic engineer and this is a false statement.
Not all races are equal.
You'll hate me for saying this but Asians are smarter than Whites by 2.5 IQ points. Whites are smarter than Blacks by 5 IQ points. Jews have an average IQ of 135...The highest of them all.(Presumably because they went through a selection event during WWII, something that hasen't happend to mankind since the middle ages)
Blacks are stronger than Whites by ~10% HGH level. Stronger than asians by ~25% HGH level. HGH level determines both maximum strength potential and strength gain over a given time period. Blacks get skin cancer less than asians less than whites. Blacks have less control over their emotions due to allelic frequencey of a gene I can't rember the name to. They tend to get sickle-cell anemia more and Malaria less than all other races.
I don't know who told you the fairy tale that we are all born equal...It is just that.
What will he do next?
are you a serious boy ? ( or girl ...)
it has been ranked #1 just because at release gamers that buy the game are supporting it and make good reviews.
not so smart for a genetic engineer .... according to your statements ... you may be black !
What will he do next?
I am a genetic engineer and this is a false statement.
Not all races are equal.
You'll hate me for saying this but Asians are smarter than Whites by 2.5 IQ points. Whites are smarter than Blacks by 5 IQ points. Jews have an average IQ of 135...The highest of them all.(Presumably because they went through a selection event during WWII, something that hasen't happend to mankind since the middle ages)
Blacks are stronger than Whites by ~10% HGH level. Stronger than asians by ~25% HGH level. HGH level determines both maximum strength potential and strength gain over a given time period. Blacks get skin cancer less than asians less than whites. Blacks have less control over their emotions due to allelic frequencey of a gene I can't rember the name to. They tend to get sickle-cell anemia more and Malaria less than all other races.
I don't know who told you the fairy tale that we are all born equal...It is just that.
Ok..I apologize but I have to rant on this statement - lol
First of all Mr. Genetic Engineer - lol, Jews are not a race.
The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been used synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a misuse. These words refer to different groups of people with varying ways of life in different periods in history. The name Yehudi or Jew is used in the Old Testament to designate members of the tribe of Judah, as well as to denote citizens of the Kingdom of Judah. Centuries later, the same word came to be applied to anyone, no matter of what origin, whose religion was Judaism.
In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race, not genetically but specifically for purposes of certain anti-discrimination laws. Their reasoning: at the time these laws were passed, people routinely spoke of the "Jewish race" or the "Italian race" as well as the "Black race," so that is what the legislators intended to protect.
But setting aside the emotional issues, Jews are clearly not a race.
Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. You could never become black or asian no matter how much you might want to if you were born caucasion and vice versa.
On the other hand, common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Anyone can choose to become a Jew - whether Black, Asian, etc.
---End of rant and Judaism 101 lecture ----
Back to the topic at hand, having distinct strenths/weakness among character classes is indeed more realistic and lends a strategic approach to character development. I believe any MMO including Ryzom needs to have a diversity with the skills/attributes of the various player races.
As a genetic engineer - you might want to review what constitutes a race. Probably back in genetics 101. Sheesh! What genetic engineering school did you go to?
While politically the US government considers Jews as a race - this is simply for protection under anti-discrimination laws.
Jews are clearly not a race, most definitely not in a genetic sense. While they are a social segment that can evaluated separately - WWII was hardly the selection-of-the-smartest process you try and imply. The smartest were often targeted more frequently for extermination. You might argue only the cleverest managed to escape - but it would not only be a difficult proof... you'd then have to relate this back to IQ test scores.
Rubbish.
The IQ differences you cite, and don't back up, are far more likely to be based on skewing from the tests themselves. Or from a cultural, educational, or environmental impact than from any genetic cause.
Are races all the same? Certainly no more than people are all the same. But idiots apparently pop up in all races (and professions).
Bah! Not worth even this much time responding.
"While politically the US government considers Jews as a race - this is simply for protection under anti-discrimination laws."
No offence to my country, but we're a stupid nation. END OF STORY.
What will he do next?
Woot! I love those lines!!! Go Jimhus! lol
[quote]Originally posted by iceseraph
[b]
Ok..I apologize but I have to rant on this statement - lol
First of all Mr. Genetic Engineer - lol, Jews are not a race.
[/quote]
You can define any small segment of interbreeding human population as a 'race'. In that respect Eastern European Decendant Methodox Jews are a race. Their racial IQ is 135.
Nice history lesson:) Yes I was unclear in my use of the word 'jew' but my revised definition is applicable.
I am not reffering to all those who claim the religon of Juddasim. I am only reffering to the small sexually isolated segment of the population directly decended from Eastern European Methodox Jews.
Indeed. This segment of the Jewish population I am reffering to has distinctive genetic and phenotypic traits. I belive that in addition to being almost genius they have a couple of preponderances to genetic diseases(Hmmm..Turner's Syndrome? No that's not right....Ummm...Oh well I ain't gonna look it up.) caused by inbreeding.
To join the religon of the Jews indeed that is the case. But to be a "Jew" as it applies to the genetic distinction I am makeing it requires all of the things in the quote above this one.