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We still want Star Ship INTERIORS and Player / Guild Owned Ships!!!
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WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
Here are a some great examples of STi(s)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/interiors1.htm
I agree with interriors. If a shitty game like Star Wars can have ship interiors that you can walk around in while the ship is in a battle, than surely star trek can. You can even decorate the interiors of the ship in SWG.
This is technically possible, the difficulty lies more with Investing and getting the biggest Return On Investment (ROI) as possible. It is not a matter of making a fun game, but rather making a very profitable game that is fun by the masses.
When thinking about the features, think along these lines:
- Is it fun?
- Will it make money?
- How much resources and effort are required?
And that is why...
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Wow...*eyes the ideas* obviously ship interiors should be in most definilty..player guild own ships..only if their non combat ships. You can only play as a Federation or a Klingon Member last time I checked their most recent article...and neither allows you to have personal armed ships (atleast not to memory) and you definitly work for the Federation and own your own battleship to go out into the world.
Whens the last time you watched Star Trek and Jo Bob showed up to fight the borg? I think anything thats utterly destructive to the premise of the World should be left out, but if it can be made to accomodate and work with the lore like player owned cargo ships or short ranged shuttle ships now that'd be more in line with the game.
No oen wants to play the game and be Jo Bob they want to be Captain Kirk or one of the FEderation / Klingon members thats kinda the whole idea to games based in IP your getting to live out the world. It was easy to make SWG more open world since there was a bevy of lore and jobs and characters outside the two main factions of Empire & Rebels. There's really not that much lore or interesting roles to play outside of being a member of the Federation, The Borg, Klingons etc and even then they were all military / corporations that are already established.
The recent gameplay video that was shown does show players get to control ships and shoot people inside the ship (interior battles) no clue if you own them or you charter to work on them.
I look forward to seeing what they plan to do with this game. But I'm not going to set my expectations on it being like pre NGE SWG either ...I just don't see that happening.
anyway here's some gameplay trailers from Cryptic
http://pc.ign.com/articles/897/897788p1.html
Without the "sandbox part" it would just be another Everquest clone (WOW is an everquest clone). Forever Quest. Quest quest quest.
It`s going to be rather cool to see it in STO...
It`s going to be rather cool to see it in STO...
If they allow it...As of now it's not what they are planning. Which is going to suckass big time!
how they gunna have commerce without money? money was gotten rid of in like the 22nd century i think
It`s going to be rather cool to see it in STO...
If they allow it...As of now it's not what they are planning. Which is going to suckass big time!
Really so the videos of players being shot inside of their ship at the HELM even by Klingons in the recent play video is a lie? Or are you thinking about the PREVIOUS implementation of the game by a Crap company thats no longer exists.
Last I heard no true details about the game other than videos has been released.
It`s going to be rather cool to see it in STO...
If they allow it...As of now it's not what they are planning. Which is going to suckass big time!
Really so the videos of players being shot inside of their ship at the HELM even by Klingons in the recent play video is a lie? Or are you thinking about the PREVIOUS implementation of the game by a Crap company thats no longer exists.
Last I heard no true details about the game other than videos has been released.
Dude...
I will believe when I see it. The bottom line is as long as Darren Stinnet is the Lead Dog in this pony show, it's gonna be borked. Just my opinion, but I really don't think "the vision" has changed that much since Cryptic took over. Again I hope they prove me wrong, but in the end...
Shit in a shiney new box is still Shit.
Didn't Stinnet go down with his ship?
Ok with the lists people are putting up i just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Player controled crews, ok thats not a big hit because you never can tell when or if your friends are on BUT how about this
THEME PARKS
people can group up and then enter a "THEME PARK" this lets them choose there role on a ship that is in a battle vs "INSERT RACE" Engineers can repair things in real time, medical personal can heal wonded caused by explosions tatical handles targeting, science officers for scanning ect ect ect. the only slot that CANT be controled in the theme park idea is captain.
on another note " LARGE SHIPS " there is a game out now that many dont know about called STARQUEST, its like a spin off of star trek and even though the graphics are dated the game its self is HUGE and open ended, some of you might just like to try it out. Anyway the ships in that game can be small to out right HUGE and you can walk around inside them all decorate them how you like and what not. Also you can work on the engines, weapons, shields, power regulators ect ect to make them work at over 100% this takes a lot of time to get very small bonus and can actualy damage the parts then you woul dneed to repair them :P. I had my engines at 115% in that game and weapons and shields at 110%. Also you could explore planets, set up colonies, mine, craft ect ect. and the space was huge at warp 9 would take a week or more to reach the center ( o.o.o )
im just adding this to let people know that being a captian isnt the ONLY thing that is or can be fun if done right. Also as we all know there are some hard core guilds out there that would be able to man and run a player controled ship 24/7 this option should be open for said guilds.
what we all want in this game has been done before and has actual been put into a single game but needs a large company with better designers to build on it. I just hope this isnt some hashed out POS that has a life span of 1 month wich you get free when buying the game.
Didn't Stinnet go down with his ship?
No, Cryptic threw him a floatation device. You know in some older, more civilized cultures, when someone failed a badley as Darren Stinnet, They would throw themselves on their swords...this is not the case as Mr. Stinnet remains at the helm of this somewhat questionable project. Like a Cat, Darren has many lives and will complete this venture to HIS specifications. A game that is NOT for Star Trek Fans.
Didn't Stinnet go down with his ship?
No, Cryptic threw him a floatation device. You know in some older, more civilized cultures, when someone failed a badley as Darren Stinnet, They would throw themselves on their swords...this is not the case as Mr. Stinnet remains at the helm of this somewhat questionable project. Like a Cat, Darren has many lives and will complete this venture to HIS specifications. A game that is NOT for Star Trek Fans.
I'm sorry but you are very wrong sir. He has absolutely nothing to do with this new project at all. Craig Z (Can't remember how to spell his last name so I'm not even going to try) is the Project Lead of the new STO and as far as I know Mr. Stinnett wasn't even offered a job at Cryptic, period. The only thing they are even using from the previous project is some of the concept art PE had. Try to at least read a little about the game you're talking about before you start talking out of your ass, please.
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Didn't Stinnet go down with his ship?
No, Cryptic threw him a floatation device. You know in some older, more civilized cultures, when someone failed a badley as Darren Stinnet, They would throw themselves on their swords...this is not the case as Mr. Stinnet remains at the helm of this somewhat questionable project. Like a Cat, Darren has many lives and will complete this venture to HIS specifications. A game that is NOT for Star Trek Fans.
I'm sorry but you are very wrong sir. He has absolutely nothing to do with this new project at all. Craig Z (Can't remember how to spell his last name so I'm not even going to try) is the Project Lead of the new STO and as far as I know Mr. Stinnett wasn't even offered a job at Cryptic, period. The only thing they are even using from the previous project is some of the concept art PE had. Try to at least read a little about the game you're talking about before you start talking out of your ass, please.
Bren
Is there any way to confirm this? My interest in this game is 100% dependent on Darren Stinnet not having anything to do with it.
Didn't Stinnet go down with his ship?
No, Cryptic threw him a floatation device. You know in some older, more civilized cultures, when someone failed a badley as Darren Stinnet, They would throw themselves on their swords...this is not the case as Mr. Stinnet remains at the helm of this somewhat questionable project. Like a Cat, Darren has many lives and will complete this venture to HIS specifications. A game that is NOT for Star Trek Fans.
I'm sorry but you are very wrong sir. He has absolutely nothing to do with this new project at all. Craig Z (Can't remember how to spell his last name so I'm not even going to try) is the Project Lead of the new STO and as far as I know Mr. Stinnett wasn't even offered a job at Cryptic, period. The only thing they are even using from the previous project is some of the concept art PE had. Try to at least read a little about the game you're talking about before you start talking out of your ass, please.
Bren
Is there any way to confirm this? My interest in this game is 100% dependent on Darren Stinnet not having anything to do with it.
Well here is a Gamespot interview with the new Executive Producer Craig Zinkievich. He is the project head for STO at Cryptic and all design decisions are made by him. This is his baby now not Darron Stinnett's. The direction of this game is totally different then PE's. With 2 factions at launch and player ship interiors it seems that Cryptic was paying close attention to the fans during PE's development. Also Jack Emmert has already stated in the webcast from Vegas that this game is not level based. As we all know PE was working on a Class/Level based quest grinder, basically WoW with Star Trek skins. Cryptic is going in a completely different direction with this development than PE did and if some of the people posting in this thread(not you) would go and actually read something about this new incarnation of STO they might know that already.
Bren
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First of all, game =! combat/warfare. Plenty of games, and successful ones at that, do not involve combat.
Secondly, you and others really fail to internalize this concept: Game and simulator are not opposite ends of a spectrum. Some of you continue to bandy about this false dichotomy between game and simulator. It just doesn't exist. It doesn't have to exist.
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This is a real shame...that Stinnett guy has no Idea wtf STAR TREK is all about. Guess I won't be playing STO.
stinnet isnt involved anymore cryptic is running the show now:)
*Shakes head in disbelief* Read my posts above please and maybe go and read a little about the game itself before you post. Not doing so just makes you look stupid.
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"I'm just saying that some of your expectations are unrealistic and that you will be dissapointed if you keep these expectations."
And it was pointed out to you features that he asked for had been in mmo's for four plus years and you went on into another post that made even less sense that said something to the effect of these classes were new. Most of the listed classes were Med Officer,Security etc. how hard would it be to impliment a tool where by these professions were utilized in game if you actually think it's that hard you my friend are a pretty big reason mmo companies shovel crap to us now.
"It has nothing to do with how much I'm interested in those features, I like to see developers try new things, I wish they did it more often"
The funny thing is you just changed your position to say they either shouldn't or wouldn't do these things because they are new and might not work what is your point?
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
True that,
I admire the guys passion but he really needs to learn to listen to the player base. I really don't see why Cryptic kept him on. This is but one reason I won't play this game. They simply don't understand how to make a real ST game.
FAIL!
True that,
I admire the guys passion but he really needs to learn to listen to the player base. I really don't see why Cryptic kept him on. This is but one reason I won't play this game. They simply don't understand how to make a real ST game.
FAIL!
Having Passion for something is one thing, but the game he is making is "not for star trek fans" lol. Why would you even attempt to build a game around an IP you are not even a fan of. Very Sad...as I said before, unless they really change the "vision" of this project, I will not invest my time and money.