wow I called this 1 really early,cant believe it hasnt been locked yet though.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
The investment was made, and yes, just as in stock, the investment can be taken back. Once again, the post clearly states that I will sacrifice my chance at Beta for another if it is passed. No, the company does not owe me anything, it owes us, the fans, the supporters all of it's success. Everyone who bought the books, the board games, the miniature figurines, any and all purchase of this title that has added to it's success over the years. It owes the collective fan base that. I understand that the produces of this game have given what they owe, a well designed (in theory) game that has earned the right to speak for this title. But yes, the investments were made in their entirety, whether people choose to take them back or not is a purely hypothetical examination. I'm trying to deal with the facts of what is happening, and what I feel should be happening.
If you'll pass give it to me, I've been trying to get my friend to try out this game, but not only to play it, when my friend lemme try I gave out like 35feedback things within the day, seems like some of them made SOME kind of change...the others were mostly saying This game ownz just like my mothers basement!
The investment was made, and yes, just as in stock, the investment can be taken back. Once again, the post clearly states that I will sacrifice my chance at Beta for another if it is passed. No, the company does not owe me anything, it owes us, the fans, the supporters all of it's success. Everyone who bought the books, the board games, the miniature figurines, any and all purchase of this title that has added to it's success over the years. It owes the collective fan base that. I understand that the produces of this game have given what they owe, a well designed (in theory) game that has earned the right to speak for this title. But yes, the investments were made in their entirety, whether people choose to take them back or not is a purely hypothetical examination. I'm trying to deal with the facts of what is happening, and what I feel should be happening.
All they owe us is a fun game, and that is what we are given. The company, Mythic, has NOTHING to do with the books, board games, or any of the miniature figurines. That is GamesWorkshop, not Mythic. Mythic is only responsile for the game. You have to realize that what you propose is absolutely silly still, even in theory. What you feel should happen, and what will happen are two different things and you have to understand that a petition this late in the game isn't going to get you anywhere. Especially, seeing the responses in this thread, the majority does not agree with you. As a long time beta tester I am shocked by your claims and ideas for this.
I guess the OP missed out on the memo that no money has gone to Mythic at all from Pre orders yet. That won't happen until September 18th when the game launches. Until that date any money you might have put down went only to the retailer. (I personally didn't put down any money to pre order my collector's edition from Amazon). So you currently have provided no financial support to Mythic. You haven't given Mythic anything and should be thankful for any pre play time you recieve.
It seems too many people feel entitled now adays. I remember back when Beta testing was only for actual Beta Testing and no on used it as a free trial for a game. And Definitely no one felt entitled to a free trial for games.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I was about to get angry thinking someone allowed a customer to pay the full cost of the game upfront when best buy didn't let me do that. Then I see your post and am left scratching my head as to what this guy's justification is again?
And something else I just thought about. All the collector's edition people get in the preview weekend with the leftovers going to SE holders, and when you think about it - if anyone has actually invested in the company it's the CE holders as they are essentially paying more for the WAR fluff and such a thing as a preview week counts as fluff in my book. Though even the CE'ers haven't actually paid Mythic anything yet either.
What are the opinions of those of you who agree with me? These boards seem to be filled with people who want to pick on someone who doesn't have the power to remove their account from the game itself.
Yes i have invest a big 5$ in Mythic, that gives me as much right as the president. Where is the STUPID POLL option ?
zomg I vote in you!
Also OP WTH ARE you really talking about? Do you really think Mythic owes us like what? 8months free game time for pre-ordering?..... The company owes us nothing, nada, zig, 0, -1, -1 then +1 ZERO!
Am i right in thinking this plan involves kicking out all those who have long tried to rid this game of bugs and bad ideas (well i know not everyone takes beta this serious but some do and thats kinda the point) to give those who pre-ordered a preview?
The investment was made, and yes, just as in stock, the investment can be taken back. Once again, the post clearly states that I will sacrifice my chance at Beta for another if it is passed. No, the company does not owe me anything, it owes us, the fans, the supporters all of it's success. Everyone who bought the books, the board games, the miniature figurines, any and all purchase of this title that has added to it's success over the years. It owes the collective fan base that. I understand that the produces of this game have given what they owe, a well designed (in theory) game that has earned the right to speak for this title. But yes, the investments were made in their entirety, whether people choose to take them back or not is a purely hypothetical examination. I'm trying to deal with the facts of what is happening, and what I feel should be happening.
Uh, which company are you mad at again. I am pretty darn sure that Mythic didn't get a retroactive cut of Games Workshop's Warhammer revenue. Mythic actually paid the people that you say you have supported for years a large chuck of money for the license to make the game.
The investment was made, and yes, just as in stock, the investment can be taken back. Once again, the post clearly states that I will sacrifice my chance at Beta for another if it is passed. No, the company does not owe me anything, it owes us, the fans, the supporters all of it's success. Everyone who bought the books, the board games, the miniature figurines, any and all purchase of this title that has added to it's success over the years. It owes the collective fan base that. I understand that the produces of this game have given what they owe, a well designed (in theory) game that has earned the right to speak for this title. But yes, the investments were made in their entirety, whether people choose to take them back or not is a purely hypothetical examination. I'm trying to deal with the facts of what is happening, and what I feel should be happening.
No the investment is made when Money changes hands.
They should just lock this post.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
What are the opinions of those of you who agree with me? These boards seem to be filled with people who want to pick on someone who doesn't have the power to remove their account from the game itself.
Delusions of Grandeur. . .no one shares your opinion. Even if they do they seem to be smart enough to stay away from it.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Because miserable "keyboard-warriors" such as yourself have nothing to do but pick on the unpopular opinion. Remember that when you enter the physical world outside of your cubicle.
Because miserable "keyboard-warriors" such as yourself have nothing to do but pick on the unpopular opinion. Remember that when you enter the physical world outside of your cubicle.
Haha I will try, but don't hurt yourself falling up the stairs out of your mother's basement.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Because miserable "keyboard-warriors" such as yourself have nothing to do but pick on the unpopular opinion. Remember that when you enter the physical world outside of your cubicle.
It is unpopular because it is stupid, it is a horrible idea. Rid the beta of valuable testers so people who are purchasing the game can get more free time in? Yeah, let us remove people who know how Mythic works, how to give proper feedback, and how to get the most out of testing in favor of people who know little of the process. What also makes you think the people in beta haven't purchased the CE as well and such? It is just a lousy idea and it horrible for the development of the game. Not only this, but you should just be happy there is an open beta or a preview weekend. Especially the preview weekend, it is just nice on their behalf to do such a thing, they never had to do it and preview weekends have not become the standard.
Because miserable "keyboard-warriors" such as yourself have nothing to do but pick on the unpopular opinion. Remember that when you enter the physical world outside of your cubicle.
I see you are from Springfield....Homer is that you?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Because miserable "keyboard-warriors" such as yourself have nothing to do but pick on the unpopular opinion. Remember that when you enter the physical world outside of your cubicle.
I see you are from Springfield....Homer is that you?
OMG! I am a big fan of you Homer, but did you get a brain replacement? I see you learned to spell and have enough money to afford a computer. Or maybe its your mothers? Dunno but to get to the real point, your an ignorant bastard who's greedy and you only get what you bought, you dont get more options than what was told!
I'm not saying that I have the perfect solution, I don't know how these things work. But people like those of you who mindlessly call me an idiot, without coming up with a solution yourselves, are exactly the type of people that will retard the change and evolution of this genre of game. It is because you demand nothing and accept everything that so many of these games keep in the same moldings that they have in the past. So little change outside of the superficial aspects of the game. I hope you do not allow this self-destructive, fellow-man-abusing cowardly behavior pass over into your real lives, but hope seems to be all I have for you.
How many of you offered a solution to my problem? How many had anything constructive to say? I understand now that, because of a very (and I mean very) small percentage of you have suggested that it would be developmental "suicide" to get rid of experienced, quality beta testers that clearing them off of the game, especially when testing vital end-game content for those who are fresh off of the line, without any technical experience at that.
So I understand more now, but as far as the rest of you, know that you will never gain anything good from your methods.
Oh, the word is flamer. I'm not saying that I have the perfect solution, I don't know how these things work. But people like those of you who mindlessly call me an idiot, without coming up with a solution yourselves, are exactly the type of people that will retard the change and evolution of this genre of game. It is because you demand nothing and accept everything that so many of these games keep in the same moldings that they have in the past. So little change outside of the superficial aspects of the game. I hope you do not allow this self-destructive, fellow-man-abusing cowardly behavior pass over into your real lives, but hope seems to be all I have for you.
How many of you offered a solution to my problem? How many had anything constructive to say? I understand now that, because of a very (and I mean very) small percentage of you have suggested that it would be developmental "suicide" to get rid of experienced, quality beta testers that clearing them off of the game, especially when testing vital end-game content for those who are fresh off of the line, without any technical experience at that. So I understand more now, but as far as the rest of you, know that you will never gain anything good from your methods.
Ohh my,you dont give up,almost everyone gave there opinion on this thread,as it should be locked or deleted.
What you are asking is stupid beyond words,you want testers that have helped build the game out so new ppl should be allowed in,I mean I cant even put into words how crazy that sounds.
You go into your company 1 day and your boss says to everyone"ok guys thanks for building the company and we are doing great but you are all fired we want new people in to make it fair"
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Oh, the word is flamer. I'm not saying that I have the perfect solution, I don't know how these things work. But people like those of you who mindlessly call me an idiot, without coming up with a solution yourselves, are exactly the type of people that will retard the change and evolution of this genre of game. It is because you demand nothing and accept everything that so many of these games keep in the same moldings that they have in the past. So little change outside of the superficial aspects of the game. I hope you do not allow this self-destructive, fellow-man-abusing cowardly behavior pass over into your real lives, but hope seems to be all I have for you.
How many of you offered a solution to my problem? How many had anything constructive to say? I understand now that, because of a very (and I mean very) small percentage of you have suggested that it would be developmental "suicide" to get rid of experienced, quality beta testers that clearing them off of the game, especially when testing vital end-game content for those who are fresh off of the line, without any technical experience at that. So I understand more now, but as far as the rest of you, know that you will never gain anything good from your methods.
lol we have nothing to say because whoever says something about this topic is basically an idiot. FYI: You. you think just by putting in $50-$100 you can have a multi-million dollar game make its magic, JUST FOR YOU!
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wow I called this 1 really early,cant believe it hasnt been locked yet though.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Second the notion.
3rd it Motion carried please lock .
If you'll pass give it to me, I've been trying to get my friend to try out this game, but not only to play it, when my friend lemme try I gave out like 35feedback things within the day, seems like some of them made SOME kind of change...the others were mostly saying This game ownz just like my mothers basement!
ALSO: I 4th this option!
All they owe us is a fun game, and that is what we are given. The company, Mythic, has NOTHING to do with the books, board games, or any of the miniature figurines. That is GamesWorkshop, not Mythic. Mythic is only responsile for the game. You have to realize that what you propose is absolutely silly still, even in theory. What you feel should happen, and what will happen are two different things and you have to understand that a petition this late in the game isn't going to get you anywhere. Especially, seeing the responses in this thread, the majority does not agree with you. As a long time beta tester I am shocked by your claims and ideas for this.
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Yes i have invest a big 5$ in Mythic, that gives me as much right as the president.
Where is the STUPID POLL option ?
I second the motion.
Third!
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This is exactly what I was thinking. I was about to get angry thinking someone allowed a customer to pay the full cost of the game upfront when best buy didn't let me do that. Then I see your post and am left scratching my head as to what this guy's justification is again?
And something else I just thought about. All the collector's edition people get in the preview weekend with the leftovers going to SE holders, and when you think about it - if anyone has actually invested in the company it's the CE holders as they are essentially paying more for the WAR fluff and such a thing as a preview week counts as fluff in my book. Though even the CE'ers haven't actually paid Mythic anything yet either.
What are the opinions of those of you who agree with me? These boards seem to be filled with people who want to pick on someone who doesn't have the power to remove their account from the game itself.
Maybe this is just a joke. Hopefully..
zomg I vote in you!
Also OP WTH ARE you really talking about? Do you really think Mythic owes us like what? 8months free game time for pre-ordering?..... The company owes us nothing, nada, zig, 0, -1, -1 then +1 ZERO!
Am i right in thinking this plan involves kicking out all those who have long tried to rid this game of bugs and bad ideas (well i know not everyone takes beta this serious but some do and thats kinda the point) to give those who pre-ordered a preview?
close the thread lol
Uh, which company are you mad at again. I am pretty darn sure that Mythic didn't get a retroactive cut of Games Workshop's Warhammer revenue. Mythic actually paid the people that you say you have supported for years a large chuck of money for the license to make the game.
No the investment is made when Money changes hands.
They should just lock this post.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Delusions of Grandeur. . .no one shares your opinion. Even if they do they seem to be smart enough to stay away from it.
_______
|___|
\_______/
= |||||| =
|X| \*........*/ |X|
|X|_________|X|
You wouldn't understand
Because miserable "keyboard-warriors" such as yourself have nothing to do but pick on the unpopular opinion. Remember that when you enter the physical world outside of your cubicle.
Haha I will try, but don't hurt yourself falling up the stairs out of your mother's basement.
_______
|___|
\_______/
= |||||| =
|X| \*........*/ |X|
|X|_________|X|
You wouldn't understand
It is unpopular because it is stupid, it is a horrible idea. Rid the beta of valuable testers so people who are purchasing the game can get more free time in? Yeah, let us remove people who know how Mythic works, how to give proper feedback, and how to get the most out of testing in favor of people who know little of the process. What also makes you think the people in beta haven't purchased the CE as well and such? It is just a lousy idea and it horrible for the development of the game. Not only this, but you should just be happy there is an open beta or a preview weekend. Especially the preview weekend, it is just nice on their behalf to do such a thing, they never had to do it and preview weekends have not become the standard.
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OP is simply throwing a tantrum becuase he was not chosen for beta. /thread
Eagerly waiting for Warhammer Online.
Hates SOE, and Blizzard
Finally over the fact Blackguards were removed from WAR
I see you are from Springfield....Homer is that you?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I see you are from Springfield....Homer is that you?
OMG! I am a big fan of you Homer, but did you get a brain replacement? I see you learned to spell and have enough money to afford a computer. Or maybe its your mothers? Dunno but to get to the real point, your an ignorant bastard who's greedy and you only get what you bought, you dont get more options than what was told!
Oh, the word is flamer.
I'm not saying that I have the perfect solution, I don't know how these things work. But people like those of you who mindlessly call me an idiot, without coming up with a solution yourselves, are exactly the type of people that will retard the change and evolution of this genre of game. It is because you demand nothing and accept everything that so many of these games keep in the same moldings that they have in the past. So little change outside of the superficial aspects of the game. I hope you do not allow this self-destructive, fellow-man-abusing cowardly behavior pass over into your real lives, but hope seems to be all I have for you.
How many of you offered a solution to my problem? How many had anything constructive to say? I understand now that, because of a very (and I mean very) small percentage of you have suggested that it would be developmental "suicide" to get rid of experienced, quality beta testers that clearing them off of the game, especially when testing vital end-game content for those who are fresh off of the line, without any technical experience at that.
So I understand more now, but as far as the rest of you, know that you will never gain anything good from your methods.
this is still going on?
Eagerly waiting for Warhammer Online.
Hates SOE, and Blizzard
Finally over the fact Blackguards were removed from WAR
Ohh my,you dont give up,almost everyone gave there opinion on this thread,as it should be locked or deleted.
What you are asking is stupid beyond words,you want testers that have helped build the game out so new ppl should be allowed in,I mean I cant even put into words how crazy that sounds.
You go into your company 1 day and your boss says to everyone"ok guys thanks for building the company and we are doing great but you are all fired we want new people in to make it fair"
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
lol we have nothing to say because whoever says something about this topic is basically an idiot. FYI: You. you think just by putting in $50-$100 you can have a multi-million dollar game make its magic, JUST FOR YOU!