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Hopfrog
Member Posts: 90
Its funny watching the fanbois and trolls go at it. Honestly, I find myself agreeing with some things in just about every post made by each side.
We saw this same thing go down prior to AOC release, and I think I can safely say we are not looking at another AOC debacle. The game is fun and quite playable. The game is neither as awesome as the fanboi raves it is, and it is certainly not some bug filled snooze fest that the trolls are labeling it as. The game won't be a huge runaway hit, but it won't be a flop either. Its not gonna put too much of a hurt on WoW's numbers, but it will be a success and has lots of room to grow over the years and it probably will have a large dedicated following during those years. Again, its good enough to succeed and find its place rather high up on the MMO population charts, but its not that "OMG this is what we have been waiting for" type of game.
Its true mobs sometimes stun themselves in place for a few seconds while being pulled. Doesn't happen all the time and its not a gamebreaker. Its also true that auctioneers and the bank don't even work, however, I doubt thats gonna be a huge hurdle to put in and in a game like this they should have just come up with something new anyways then the standard auctioneer and banker.
Its also true the game is very smooth and probably one of the more polished betas in recent memory. We can nitpick, but I saw nothing really gamebreaking. Its also true the game is relatively lag free in all but the biggest of battles.
There are some innovative things, the graphics are nice, not amazing, but their cool. The music and sounds are well done. Don't kid yourselves, its not coming to the plate with near the bells and whistles that WoW did at launch. There is a lot of stuff missing.
I saw quite a few few beta reviews starting off with comments like "lets get this right out of the way, the game looks nothing like wow"......uh... huh??? Its true its a little grittier and more realistic, but its also a bit more bland and looks a heckuva lot like WoW with all the exaggerated architecture and landscaping. My wife doesn't know a thing about these games and when she walked throught the room she did a double take and asked "is this the new game you said you were gonna try, or the one you played before". I told her it was the new one, she hmmmped, said it looked just like the other one, and kept on walking.
Its true the big cities have giant buildings and a sense of grandeur, its also true their kinda vanilla and and empty. Personally I thought the capital cities in Pirates of the Burning Sea were more exciting than the 2 capitals that are making it to launch. There are some cool elements but I shudder to think what the ones looked like that got cut.
Its also true this is a PVP'ers game as Mythic has stated from the start. The shortcomings this game will have at launch will in no way keep a PVE'er around. If your a PVP'er though, their might be enough fun in it for you to overlook the warts. PVP is everywhere! Heck I did more leveling PVP'ing than I did PVE'ing, and I had a good time.
So who should you believe the fanbois or the trolls?....... errrrr both actually.
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I agree with you. All the bugs detailed here exist in the game, but it is still fun. The big question for each person planning to play it is whether they will fix the bigger issues before release, and how much broken stuff people can tolerate before they quit out of frustration?
No you never believe trolls. You are mixing up what a troll and someone who is critical. What even defines a fanboi? I have a ton of fun in the game so I relay that information here. Prior to trying beta I even posted about how I cancelled my pre order. So because I had a blast in game and I relay that information in a positive tone am I a fanboy?
The terms are thrown around way too loosely.
lighten up Francis
So, from what the OP is saying,
"WAR is a solid game even if it has some issues" - LAWL FANBOI LAWL
"WAR has some good points, but I wouldn't recommend it" - LAWL TROLL LAWL
Trolls spew out the same crap to try to make the game seem worse than it really is. You can disprove them but they keep going. Same with "fanbois", though people who like the game can have more intelligent arguments than trolls ever could.
lighten up Francis
Haha I am lightened. I am saying that the actual trolls here aren't right. Trolls are never right. It's like saying the crackheads and the police are right. The crackheads will never be right you know.
lighten up Francis
Haha I am lightened. I am saying that the actual trolls here aren't right. Trolls are never right. It's like saying the crackheads and the police are right. The crackheads will never be right you know.
well ok technically I agree with you, but I think people know what I am getting at.
And just for the record, I would actually recommend the game to a PVP'er, but I would tell a PVE'er to check out Vanguard, its come a long way. If your looking for both, WoW is still a good alternative, but if your hardcore PVP, you really should check WAR out. Again, it was a lot of fun.
lighten up Francis
Haha I am lightened. I am saying that the actual trolls here aren't right. Trolls are never right. It's like saying the crackheads and the police are right. The crackheads will never be right you know.
well ok technically I agree with you, but I think people know what I am getting at.
And just for the record, I would actually recommend the game to a PVP'er, but I would tell a PVE'er not to waste their time.
Yeah, but then again a lot of PvE'ers have found themselves enjoying RvR so you never know. I hope they have a trial, or buddy pass thing so everyone interested can give it a shot. I could see at one point in my life not liking it, but now loving it.
I'm the complete opposite. I would never recommend this game to a true PvPer that wants a meaningful and skillful experience in their MMO.
I would however, suggest this game to a PvE person that only casually PvPs because they suck at it. This game will be perfect for them.
That's because you are a troll. We can't expect you to say anything logical, sensible, or relevant. We can expect you to slam the game every chance you get though. For that you entertain us immensely. What is funny is that because of your name no one can take you seriously and you actually have the opposite effect on people. If I didn't know better I would say you might be a huge fan of Warhammer.
Well if your talking solo, you have a point. But team pvp, gotta disagree with ya there. A good pvp team will own harder than they ever did in WoW. WAR is all about teamwork. The PVP mechanics seemed a little deeper to me than people give it credit for. At level 60 in WoW I relied on a handful of the same tactics. There are so many situational options in WAR that it seems pretty skill intensive actually, but your gonna need at least 10 levels under your belt to notice.
I will say though my adrenaline and heart didn't get pumping like it does in WoW. The battles are drawn out with no sense of real urgency and in open world their are lots of guards to run to. Whereas in WoW you better get those neurons firing cause someone's gonna be corpse runnin soon.
Um and people should buy WAR because?? I mena there are already other games out right now that offer good PvP even great PvP.
I mean what really does it have to offer as far as PvP thats not already out there?
It offer incredible team play PVP and it is constant PVP. A lot of other games offer what feels like sideshow PVP. Thats why I would recommend it to a PVP'er.
so true, so true.
That's because you are a troll. We can't expect you to say anything logical, sensible, or relevant. We can expect you to slam the game every chance you get though. For that you entertain us immensely. What is funny is that because of your name no one can take you seriously and you actually have the opposite effect on people. If I didn't know better I would say you might be a huge fan of Warhammer.
hypocrite. read your previous post.
Hopfrog, you sounded like a fanboi undercover!!!
And how you dare to attack us (the fanbois and trolls)?! We will band together agasint you!!! Bring the fire! We have to burn him!
hehe /hugs
Now the serious part:
I agree a lot with your post.
I think it's very important to try to tell people exactly what this game is and what is not.
Besides the things you mentioned as not fully implemented I will say not all crafting is there. The talisman making is not yet implemented... well... not in open beta at least.
The pathing problem that you mentioned started after the last patch. I didnt have it before so I am pretty sure they will be able to fix it (I hope so hehe).
This game is RvR... that the focus. It has nice PvE and some nice new things like the PQs and the ToK. Many PvErs will like it but this game is RvR focused.
This game is not focused in gear. Altough running around in bad gear in RvR is a problem you can even buy RvR gear as you level in RvR.
There will be some quests and such that will give some better gear but this wont be "lets raid during 8 hours" to get my new gloves! Neither your new gloves will make any important difference in RvR.
I hope for release they fix the CTDs and the pathing issue. I think we can live with the rest.
I dont think this game will reach 10 million!!! Just because I think the main MMO population is not driven by PvP but this game will not be a Vanguard 2 or AoC 2 as you said.
This game UI and some other things look likes WoW. And I am happy that Mythic did learn the good stuff form other MMOs (that's what nay 3rd genereation MMO should do).
The combat is fun, for me (my opinion... I have fun with it). Some people wont like it. The Time to Kill us higher than WoW and DAoC and I do like that, it let the person not to be stun, nuke, kill without been able to do anything.
The graphics are ok, nicer than DAoC and WoW (imho) but nothing alike AoC, for example. They are ok for massive RvR.
The quests are accordingly to the IP and it's immersive, for me.
There is a list of bugs to fix but nothing core.
Now, if people try it and doesnt like the combat system, the graphics, the core things... this wont be a game for them... that things wont be fixed at release.
Now, if someone doesnt like the surveys, the CTDs, the pahtin problem, or some other bug. I wouldnt worry, that will be fixed.
I must say I am surprised (in a good sense) by Mythic. I had my doubts. But Mythic had done a very good job. And they didnt promised anything that it's not in game; when they had to take off the cities and the 4 classes, tehy said it openly and with time for people to cancell their preorders. I dont think Mythic had missleaded anyone. And for that I respect them.
This is not a game for everyone. Many wont like it but some of us will have fun.
Whatever MMO or other game any of you play, I hope you all much fun. After all, that's why we are gamers!
Yep, that's what Mythic was pretty much telling their investors. That it was a good game and would be successful, but it wouldn't have the same level of success as WoW. I agree. It looks like it has a good solid, playable (and fun) foundation right now. A lot of people will really enjoy it. As it develops over next 1-2 years it could turn into something really special. However, I think at worst, it will be a solid game with a strong following.
In my personal experience i enjoy building up through pve to pvp.
I was a hardcore DAoC player for a time and thats how i RVRed was playing through pve,getting the gear and weapons then going to NF or the BGs or whatever...
I even did that through Guild Wars which by far has the best PVP out right now. In my opinion.
So eaither way i feel PVP should be the main focus in end game for any MMO...not the primary cause not everyone PVP's but it should be what it leads towards given adding in End game PVE for those people.
That's because you are a troll. We can't expect you to say anything logical, sensible, or relevant. We can expect you to slam the game every chance you get though. For that you entertain us immensely. What is funny is that because of your name no one can take you seriously and you actually have the opposite effect on people. If I didn't know better I would say you might be a huge fan of Warhammer.
hypocrite. read your previous post.
But, actually, if you check WoWhammer post history, it's quite obvious that he IS a troll.
I'm completely opposite on that. I am absolutely sick of grinind for 3 weeks to a month straight before I can enjoy balance and engaging PvP.
This game offers me PvP at level for a quick fix. Guild Wars did the same thing, but you still had to create a questing character and find skills if you wanted to compete.
I just like the way WAR presents it all. I like the think the Public quest could be a touch more interesting, but I love how they promote kill sharing than bickering over kill stealing. Just get in there and fight, and hope you do better than the rest.
In guild Wars you could make a PVP char only and unlock SKills, Insignas ect ect through Balt points from PVPing ...which is what i did.
Im not actually talking about grinding but quest and getting into the lore(im not a fan boy and know nothing about this universe) and playing through like that then getting a bad ass avatar all thugged out and mobbin on some Destruction biznatches....ya digg???
The problem is not to know who is right or wrong, the fan boys or the hate boys, i don't give a shit personnally.
The problem come from the fact lot of players have enough of the so-so mmos. They can't even make a solid mmorpg base and stick 2 or 3 "uber" features to it without having it collapse... And they still ask why...
Honestly look at it, after 20 years of mmos (Uo lunch was in 1998 if im right),
- housing,
- mounted combat,
- pvp (ye pvp and not only rvr, that mean good duels as well a balanced mass pvp),
- ai (honestly ai is so shitty in mmos its scandalous, even emulators and serious private servers have better ai),
- seamless "world",
are not only very poorly implemented features in most of the game , but are most likely totally ignored...
New go talk about innovations
Go pay for this for few years at 15$ if not 45$ a month (if you are mad enough to play few games to have the completed box of basic features)...
Guys it is time to wake up
UO was released in 1997. I was and I am a fanboi of UO. I hope games as DF actually released and have all the features promised, just because UO rocked.
Now, I hope you are not saying that UO was released smoothly (lag, CTDs, exploits all over, etc, etc, etc). It was a nightmare. And UO's AI was very simply, imo.
And why do you say 20 years of MMO? I would say more like 10 years, counting since UO and EQ... we of course can go back to Meridian 59 and MUDs, if you want.
I think people look into the past remembering only the good and forgeting the bad.
I think WAR is being very clear in what the game is and what is not (there are not any missleading as other MMO companies did in the last years). This is a game focused on RvR which is a particular implementation of PvP... people think it's the same as faction PvP but it's not because, besides other sutff, it means the classes aren't created for 1 vs 1 dueling. The classes are created for a role in a battle. The design of battle fields arent designed for dueling, they are designed for RvR.
I understand you dont like WAR's features. I dont understand really why ALL MMOs should have the features you mentioned. Is like asking all card games to be the same... if you like Poker then Black Jack should be like Poker? It's really silly. If you want PvP duels play a game focused in that. If you want a sand box, play a sand box. UO is there, EvE is there, etc.
Troll = someone who only says negative things about the game
Fanboi = Someone who only says positive things about the game
It's a pretty simple definition. Sometimes they get tricky and slide in an occasional backhanded compliment or minor issue to make it look like they'r being objective. That's how I read you, ProfRed.
The OP has absolutely nailed it, this is the best and most spot-on review I've read about this game.
/bump!
O_o o_O
Any guilds that acccept recruits with just WoW or AoC PVP experience should be burned at the stake.