One thing that is better is that we have all the character customization features back. And there are some issues with the new models. But that's why they are beta.
And the lower poly count and better performance with large numbers of characters is mostly for helping out with raids. So no you won't see much improvement in performance when you are standing with only a few other players.
Here you go, I mean to get the same angle and the same time of day on these shots so it would be a better comparison.....
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Thanks a ton. Still, if I compare this to my skinny self they are still phat, teh. Tis that chest-size which kinda looks broad. But I shall give it a try if there is a free trial or somesuch.
Reading the offcial VG forums, I see there is a broad consensus that the new models are trash.
I mean, look at THESE torsi:
The ENTIRE damn body balance it out of place! They have shoulders like they took to much anabolica or what! If this is the promised "bringing sexyness back" I dont wanna see what weirdo has come up with this. Sorry, but that all horrible.
They are undoubtably better Boojiboy? So why so many people in the official forum agree that the beta models and the models before the customization change were better? Performance? Most of Vanguard players can run the game in balanced with the older characters and with no issues, most of performance problems in Vanguard are result of lack of optmization and not polys or shaders. Yes they should be better, they should have more life, yes the animal races should have tails now... sorry, but they did a bad bad job.
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I wasn't in beta, so I don't know what the beta characters looked like. I have played since day 1 of release, was there when they removed customization and now I'm on test looking at the new models with customization back in. So excluding whatever beta models they were trying, yes, they are better.
When they removed customization, it sucked, but it did improve performance for a lot of people. Now with customization back we should be able to maintain that level of performance. It's hard to tell how much the new models contribute to the improved performance on test, but it's a very noticable improvement.
Originally posted by Yunbei The ENTIRE damn body balance it out of place! They have shoulders like they took to much anabolica or what! If this is the promised "bringing sexyness back" I dont wanna see what weirdo has come up with this. Sorry, but that all horrible.
So why don't you move the slider to a better spot?
The new models are actually pretty good (better than most other MMOs IMO) Name at least 3 MMOs with less than 6 year old that have worse characters.
BTW, Most of the turds on this board are constantly spouting off about how gameplay is greater than graphics.
They promissed better and heroic looking models for months and months, these new models are worse than beta models (were you in beta?) not because of lack of shaders and polys, but for the lack of Art. You have respect for unprofessional modelers and artists in Vanguard and a game company that doesnt care about this game, but you dont respect people that wanted what THEY promissed.
1. Wow
2. Pirates of the Burning Sea
3. Tabula Rasa
4. Any free to play Asian grinder MMO
It would have been much harder to name the MMOs with better characters IMO - AoC, maybe Lineage II (although much much less customizable).
The VG team are doing the best they can with the resources they have. They are already making changes to the models on Test based on community feedback. They have turned this game around in the last year, and it just keeps getting better. Hell yes, I respect that. If you don't, that's your problem.
BTW, yes I did play beta, and you know what? The game was a beautiful slide show. The performance sucked. If giving up a little graphical quality makes the game perform better, so be it. It still looks damned good IMO.
Was gonna give it another go once I saw em an hopefully liked what I saw. Guess I wont be resubing anytime soon.
OR... you could try to realize that what you are seeing are TEST models and not live. VG-Thor has already posted a number of changes and/or fixes to the models on Test.
Why not wait for the real deal before making up your mind about them? Just a suggestion...
1. Wow This is a matter of opinion, but if we take the fact WoW is much more simple graphic wise, we will realize, the art style is more polished than VG 2. Pirates of the Burning Sea Cant commet on that. 3. Tabula Rasa Again, it is a matter of opinion, TR characters are not expressives, but not "out of the place" as VG characters if you compare to the landscapes. 4. Any free to play Asian grinder MMO You never played SUN, right? Most Asian free mmos that came to US these days are very old... and free. It would have been much harder to name the MMOs with better characters IMO - AoC, maybe Lineage II (although much much less customizable). Everquest 2 ( dont you wish animal races in VG were like EQ2 ones with tails and animal details?), Lineage 2, Warhammer, Guild Wars, Age of Conan, SWG, Final Fantasy XI, D&D... see, Im not talking about shaders and poly only. ... Hell yes, I respect that. If you don't, that's your problem. No it is not my problem, it is not a problem for all player base and possible new players that hated the new characters, it is a SOE and VG devs problem, they are the ones that will not get our money, they are the ones that promissed and didnt deliver. BTW, yes I did play beta, and you know what? The game was a beautiful slide show. The performance sucked. If giving up a little graphical quality makes the game perform better, so be it. It still looks damned good IMO. The game has better performance most because of optmizations, even before the changes the game was running better... and tell me did you upgrade your PC? See, we disagree, Im ok with that, but it seems you just cant understand why people are upset with these changes, just check the official forum...
1. Wow This is a matter of opinion, but if we take the fact WoW is much more simple graphic wise, we will realize, the art style is more polished than VG 2. Pirates of the Burning Sea Cant commet on that. 3. Tabula Rasa Again, it is a matter of opinion, TR characters are not expressives, but not "out of the place" as VG characters if you compare to the landscapes. 4. Any free to play Asian grinder MMO You never played SUN, right? Most Asian free mmos that came to US these days are very old... and free. It would have been much harder to name the MMOs with better characters IMO - AoC, maybe Lineage II (although much much less customizable). Everquest 2 ( dont you wish animal races in VG were like EQ2 ones with tails and animal details?), Lineage 2, Warhammer, Guild Wars, Age of Conan, SWG, Final Fantasy XI, D&D... see, Im not talking about shaders and poly only. ... Hell yes, I respect that. If you don't, that's your problem. No it is not my problem, it is not a problem for all player base and possible new players that hated the new characters, it is a SOE and VG devs problem, they are the ones that will not get our money, they are the ones that promissed and didnt deliver. BTW, yes I did play beta, and you know what? The game was a beautiful slide show. The performance sucked. If giving up a little graphical quality makes the game perform better, so be it. It still looks damned good IMO. The game has better performance most because of optmizations, even before the changes the game was running better... and tell me did you upgrade your PC? See, we disagree, Im ok with that, but it seems you just cant understand why people are upset with these changes, just check the official forum...
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Well Duh! If you are going to play the “opinion” card, it’s all a matter of opinion. Yours is no more right than mine or anyone else’s. If you think WoW looks better than VG, maybe you prefer cartoons. I don’t. Telon is a beautiful world, and the characters look really good IMO.
As for being upset by the changes, I think it’s immature at best. The changes are on Test. They’re not live. Instead of pissing and moaning and acting like the world is coming to an end, people could help themselves by giving the devs some constructive feedback. There’s no need for insults and idiocy. They actually do listen, and they’ve already told us that they’re making several changes to the models on test.
Well Duh! Respect? See what I said now? You just doesnt respect the opposite opinion, so, there is no chance of a health discussion.
If you think WoW looks better than VG, maybe you prefer cartoons. I don’t. Telon is a beautiful world, and the characters look really good IMO.
Did I said WoW look better? No Yes, Vanguar´s landscapes are very nice, Vanguard´s characters doesnt match the landscapes, do you understand the art argument now? And why WoW characters make more sense?
As for being upset by the changes, I think it’s immature at best.
No it is not they had more than 6 months and presented this low level work, we all pay for that, it is not immature ask for what they promissed as we paied and belived. You already liked the models, so , for you there is no difference, but lets be honest, characters will not get more life, and animal races will not get tails after the test server.
Save the over-reacting and drama. Oh sure, so everyone that is upset with the amateur work we see in the new characters here and in the official forum are immature and a drama queen, the only mature and respectful people are you and everyone that agree with you... This kind of positive blind attitude is the worst support Vanguard could have now. ...
Since I had quit Conan, out of boredom - and while WAR isnt here yet to try - I thought, why not go to Vanguard and see how these new models look.
And tbh... when I looked at how my once beautiful characters were RUINED... I almost cried. Those faces are so ... dead now. So out of anything I had them make look like! These new characters are a damn joke, even with all the sliders and stuff... *cry* Terrible.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
This is why I quit. It is obvious that SOE just doesn't care enough about Vanguard to give it the attenmtion it so desperately needs. Vanguard has so much potential, unfortunately SOE fails to realize that. I can easily say that if SoE gave VG the attention it deserves, VG would become a much more popular (and better) game. But until then, Vanguard will never truly be a great game.
After EQ got ruined by SOE I thought I'd never give them the time of day again. Then when Sigil dropped MSFT for SOE I was like, ummm okay that sucks but I will still try Vanguard.
Now SOE has ruined vanguard and tried to pawn this crap off as "improvement". Well I guess they just reminded me of why I will never subscribe to an SOE game again.
Any up and coming MMOs looking to sign with SOE, don't waste your time unless you want to see your dream crushed and raped by SOE.
Geezus, those new models are ugly! That STARE! Like they were drugged or what. The entire EQ-VG-EQ2 line of games always had very platicy characters, but the new VG models sure top them all.
Agreed, the thread is going down the toilet. It's very apparent that some folks are using the lowest resolution and graphical settings they can and using the customization tools to make their screenshots look as bad and bizarre as possible. Oh well, so much for a healthy discussion.
Apparently SOE is adopting a "Funcom like" strategy, creating hype for something only to mislead people to return to the game, what a shame, i was really hoping for an improvement here, well then, another game to forget...
Hey, give $OE some credit. They invented this practice in the MMO market. They are the master...Funcom is just the Grasshopper.
Anyways, the models look just as horrid as they did before. Maybe they move better? I remember character animation being a big turn off for me for this game. Call me vain, but if my character looks like hell, I probably won't stick around long. Making my character look good, and customizing it the way I want it to look are major factors in my enjoyment of a game.
People need to stop saying, "but the game is awesome fun!" That maybe the case, but why is it so hard to make a game with both awesome gameplay and visuals? It's not too much to ask IMO..
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Apparently SOE is adopting a "Funcom like" strategy, creating hype for something only to mislead people to return to the game, what a shame, i was really hoping for an improvement here, well then, another game to forget...
Hey, give $OE some credit. They invented this practice in the MMO market. They are the master...Funcom is just the Grasshopper.
Anyways, the models look just as horrid as they did before. Maybe they move better? I remember character animation being a big turn off for me for this game. Call me vain, but if my character looks like hell, I probably won't stick around long. Making my character look good, and customizing it the way I want it to look are major factors in my enjoyment of a game.
People need to stop saying, "but the game is awesome fun!" That maybe the case, but why is it so hard to make a game with both awesome gameplay and visuals? It's not too much to ask IMO..
Look I think people need to just move on.
FACTS
NO the character models are not as good looking like an Asian game.
They still look very similar to the way they used to look.
In the details they look worse then the old models in GU2.
The animations have not changes and will not be changing in the near future.
Ok thats a sumation of the visual quality evaluation. There there are some additional dev feedback points.
The character models are not done and will be getting some more tweaking. (NO this will not make them into significantly better quality models but will remove major flaws as defined by the devs)
The new models will provide a significant performance improvement for raiding when there are many players in the same area.
Like most here I was disappointed when I first saw the new character models. I still wish SOE just tweaked the pre GU 4 models instead of the path they took. Also I think the devs are there own worse enemy. Around the time of GU 4 they started to hype the new character models and now I'm sure this was to stem the out cry over the loss of the character customisation. Since then we have heard from the devs how they are going to bring sexy back and IMHO they have failed.
Thankfully the new models are only on the test server and the devs appear to be listening to player base.
Here is a list of things that we are adjusting right now:
1. Character shading (the dark side of skin) - Skin will be looking better in general, 5 a clock shadows will be removed.
2. Face adjusments (Females) - Focus on making them look more feminine, Males have been tweaked cheeks slightly adjusted for silluet.
3. Nose Width - Reduced on problematic races in the model. Customization limits are being changed to allow for more control.
4. Armor - Female armor has been adjusted. Most heavy armor has been reverted to the previous style, most of the medium has been reverted to previous style and a handful of light armor has been reverted to previous style (we kept skin showing for the ones we felt worked the best).
5. Furries - Adjusted the neck and lips of the Vulmane and Raki.
6. General Bug Fixing - Things hiding other things incorrectly, clipping issues etc etc.
Hopefully this will just be the start to get some decent looking new models back, but I doubt when they go live, they will be at pre GU 4 standard.
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One thing that is better is that we have all the character customization features back. And there are some issues with the new models. But that's why they are beta.
And the lower poly count and better performance with large numbers of characters is mostly for helping out with raids. So no you won't see much improvement in performance when you are standing with only a few other players.
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Ethion
Thanks a ton. Still, if I compare this to my skinny self they are still phat, teh. Tis that chest-size which kinda looks broad. But I shall give it a try if there is a free trial or somesuch.
Reading the offcial VG forums, I see there is a broad consensus that the new models are trash.
I mean, look at THESE torsi:
The ENTIRE damn body balance it out of place! They have shoulders like they took to much anabolica or what! If this is the promised "bringing sexyness back" I dont wanna see what weirdo has come up with this. Sorry, but that all horrible.
I wasn't in beta, so I don't know what the beta characters looked like. I have played since day 1 of release, was there when they removed customization and now I'm on test looking at the new models with customization back in. So excluding whatever beta models they were trying, yes, they are better.
When they removed customization, it sucked, but it did improve performance for a lot of people. Now with customization back we should be able to maintain that level of performance. It's hard to tell how much the new models contribute to the improved performance on test, but it's a very noticable improvement.
Disappointing to say the least on the new models.
Was gonna give it another go once I saw em an hopefully liked what I saw.
Guess I wont be resubing anytime soon.
So why don't you move the slider to a better spot?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
1. Wow
2. Pirates of the Burning Sea
3. Tabula Rasa
4. Any free to play Asian grinder MMO
It would have been much harder to name the MMOs with better characters IMO - AoC, maybe Lineage II (although much much less customizable).
The VG team are doing the best they can with the resources they have. They are already making changes to the models on Test based on community feedback. They have turned this game around in the last year, and it just keeps getting better. Hell yes, I respect that. If you don't, that's your problem.
BTW, yes I did play beta, and you know what? The game was a beautiful slide show. The performance sucked. If giving up a little graphical quality makes the game perform better, so be it. It still looks damned good IMO.
OR... you could try to realize that what you are seeing are TEST models and not live. VG-Thor has already posted a number of changes and/or fixes to the models on Test.
Why not wait for the real deal before making up your mind about them? Just a suggestion...
Save the over-reacting and drama.
lol dunno why the OP posted that fake pics from ten ton hammer.... but those are just links from the old models...
sofar ( from what i could find on the official forums ) there has only been 1 picture released from the Orc models
Montaronx
They are not fake
Check the official forums and you find a lot of pics.
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Since I had quit Conan, out of boredom - and while WAR isnt here yet to try - I thought, why not go to Vanguard and see how these new models look.
And tbh... when I looked at how my once beautiful characters were RUINED... I almost cried. Those faces are so ... dead now. So out of anything I had them make look like! These new characters are a damn joke, even with all the sliders and stuff... *cry* Terrible.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
After EQ got ruined by SOE I thought I'd never give them the time of day again. Then when Sigil dropped MSFT for SOE I was like, ummm okay that sucks but I will still try Vanguard.
Now SOE has ruined vanguard and tried to pawn this crap off as "improvement". Well I guess they just reminded me of why I will never subscribe to an SOE game again.
Any up and coming MMOs looking to sign with SOE, don't waste your time unless you want to see your dream crushed and raped by SOE.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
This whole discussion is rediculeous. Just move the sliders accordingly how you like it. Geeze..
I think the new models look great, you just need to adjust the sliders...
Geezus, those new models are ugly! That STARE! Like they were drugged or what. The entire EQ-VG-EQ2 line of games always had very platicy characters, but the new VG models sure top them all.
Agreed, the thread is going down the toilet. It's very apparent that some folks are using the lowest resolution and graphical settings they can and using the customization tools to make their screenshots look as bad and bizarre as possible. Oh well, so much for a healthy discussion.
Hey, give $OE some credit. They invented this practice in the MMO market. They are the master...Funcom is just the Grasshopper.
Anyways, the models look just as horrid as they did before. Maybe they move better? I remember character animation being a big turn off for me for this game. Call me vain, but if my character looks like hell, I probably won't stick around long. Making my character look good, and customizing it the way I want it to look are major factors in my enjoyment of a game.
People need to stop saying, "but the game is awesome fun!" That maybe the case, but why is it so hard to make a game with both awesome gameplay and visuals? It's not too much to ask IMO..
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Hey, give $OE some credit. They invented this practice in the MMO market. They are the master...Funcom is just the Grasshopper.
Anyways, the models look just as horrid as they did before. Maybe they move better? I remember character animation being a big turn off for me for this game. Call me vain, but if my character looks like hell, I probably won't stick around long. Making my character look good, and customizing it the way I want it to look are major factors in my enjoyment of a game.
People need to stop saying, "but the game is awesome fun!" That maybe the case, but why is it so hard to make a game with both awesome gameplay and visuals? It's not too much to ask IMO..
Look I think people need to just move on.
FACTS
NO the character models are not as good looking like an Asian game.
They still look very similar to the way they used to look.
In the details they look worse then the old models in GU2.
The animations have not changes and will not be changing in the near future.
Ok thats a sumation of the visual quality evaluation. There there are some additional dev feedback points.
The character models are not done and will be getting some more tweaking. (NO this will not make them into significantly better quality models but will remove major flaws as defined by the devs)
The new models will provide a significant performance improvement for raiding when there are many players in the same area.
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Ethion
Like most here I was disappointed when I first saw the new character models. I still wish SOE just tweaked the pre GU 4 models instead of the path they took. Also I think the devs are there own worse enemy. Around the time of GU 4 they started to hype the new character models and now I'm sure this was to stem the out cry over the loss of the character customisation. Since then we have heard from the devs how they are going to bring sexy back and IMHO they have failed.
Thankfully the new models are only on the test server and the devs appear to be listening to player base.
Quote from one of the devs. http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=37929
Here is a list of things that we are adjusting right now:
1. Character shading (the dark side of skin) - Skin will be looking better in general, 5 a clock shadows will be removed.
2. Face adjusments (Females) - Focus on making them look more feminine, Males have been tweaked cheeks slightly adjusted for silluet.
3. Nose Width - Reduced on problematic races in the model. Customization limits are being changed to allow for more control.
4. Armor - Female armor has been adjusted. Most heavy armor has been reverted to the previous style, most of the medium has been reverted to previous style and a handful of light armor has been reverted to previous style (we kept skin showing for the ones we felt worked the best).
5. Furries - Adjusted the neck and lips of the Vulmane and Raki.
6. General Bug Fixing - Things hiding other things incorrectly, clipping issues etc etc.
Hopefully this will just be the start to get some decent looking new models back, but I doubt when they go live, they will be at pre GU 4 standard.
uhm... are you SURE they arent the old avatars in those pics?
they look no different to me.
No they can't look the same. Obviously they /all/ are alot more ugly, which hardly makes them look the same?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"