Funcom said the same thing about 40ish vs 40ish sieges. Look how that turned out.
How can you compare Age of Conan with its hi polygon graphics with Darkfall?
It will take alot of computer power to load a epic battle on Age of Conan. Thats just common sense. On a low polygon graphic game like Darkfall it will take alot less computer power to load the same epic battle.
Darkfall been optimized from starters for epic battle PvP. Age of Conan werent.
On the FPS we just have to believe the developers on their words since they have been playing and developed the game and not believe some random boardwriters with no insight whatsoever in the game and an interest in miscrediting the game.
Guys don’t worry about FPS in Darkfall because Tasos has already explained how incredible their games performance is in the June 20th update. "There's a focus on optimizing our massive battles capability; we want them to run as smoothly as possible with as many players as possible. We’ve been simulating massive battles and sieges with more than two hundred characters and getting a good 30-60 fps on average machines so far. Under normal loads we typically get over 150 fps and there are still several optimizations to be made so we expect these figures to improve quite a bit." So there’s absolutely no reason to worry about performance or FPS because : In massive battles and sieges with more then two hundred characters you will be getting good 30-60 fps even on “average machines” During normal client loads you will typically experience over 150fps even on “average machines” And there are still several optimizations to be made so we can expect the current 30-60fps in 200 + character battles/sieges and 150fps under normal conditions for average machines to improve quite a bit. So like I said, according to Tasos theres absolutely no reason to worry about FPS or client performance in Darkfall because as long as you have an “average machine” you can already expect 30-60 fps during EPIC EPIC HUGE HUGE MASSIVE SIEGE BATTLES, and over 150 fps during normal gameplay just on your average machine, and this performance will only get even better after all the optimizations are made. Absolutely incredible this is going to be totally awesome!
whats an averge machine what settings was they running
*shrug* All I know is everytime I hear that comment he made. The red flags start going off in my head. I don't know, maybe he's talking about some PC, that will be released in 15 or 20 years. I've had the pleasure of being on big raids in DAOC, Lineage 2, and RF Online. 80, 90, 100, or even more in the same area, not even on the same screen, and you could tell. I just do not see that being possible with a mid-ranged PC. Even Eve-Online had to work on some things to help with lag when 200+ people entered a system, and this was before their graphics upgrade. Not to mention not one of the games is real-time as Darkfall claims to be. Just too hard to accept such a comment at face value.
I'll believe it, when I finally see it.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Ok. I didn't went thru all this thread, but it strike me when I read about 1 TB (?????!!!!!!!) of raw video LOL!!!
And you guys believe the lier once again? How the fap can someone make footage of one TB? Do you know what this means in terms of video editing? Do they even have the equipment or the programs to batch such a HUGE volume of files? What are they? Holiwood?
One blue ray disk can hardly get 20-30 GB of storage and you are talking 30x that lol! This is insane to say the least: For just a lousy silly 50mb-100mb video that will allow you to see where exactly the game is heading, you let yourselves listen to lies and bullshit. So far, there are 10000 online players that will concurently play the game, 3million followers and 1TB of footage waiting to be edited. Not even Holywood and Pixar can edit 1TB of footage... goodluck with the video
Ok. I didn't went thru all this thread, but it strike me when I read about 1 TB (?????!!!!!!!) of raw video LOL!!! And you guys believe the lier once again? How the fap can someone make footage of one TB? Do you know what this means in terms of video editing? Do they even have the equipment or the programs to batch such a HUGE volume of files? What are they? Holiwood? One blue ray disk can hardly get 20-30 GB of storage and you are talking 30x that lol! This is insane to say the least: For just a lousy silly 50mb-100mb video that will allow you to see where exactly the game is heading, you let yourselves listen to lies and bullshit. So far, there are 10000 online players that will concurently play the game, 3million followers and 1TB of footage waiting to be edited. Not even Holywood and Pixar can edit 1TB of footage... goodluck with the video
As much as I don#t really think a video will come out (but will be pleasantly surprised if it does), your post is, mildly speaking, way off the mark.
Keep FRAPS running for a few minutes, you already get 1 Gig of raw Video data. And you can't make a video worth crap from that. Typically, for every minute of a decent Video, I use about 1 Gig worth of Raw data and I'm at best, an amateur when it comes to Video creation.
So 1 TB of raw footage is NOT ridiculous.
Edit: Actually, I just checked. 42 seconds raw Video = 500MB. You do the math.
Guys don’t worry about FPS in Darkfall because Tasos has already explained how incredible their games performance is in the June 20th update. "There's a focus on optimizing our massive battles capability; we want them to run as smoothly as possible with as many players as possible. We’ve been simulating massive battles and sieges with more than two hundred characters and getting a good 30-60 fps on average machines so far. Under normal loads we typically get over 150 fps and there are still several optimizations to be made so we expect these figures to improve quite a bit." So there’s absolutely no reason to worry about performance or FPS because : In massive battles and sieges with more then two hundred characters you will be getting good 30-60 fps even on “average machines” During normal client loads you will typically experience over 150fps even on “average machines” And there are still several optimizations to be made so we can expect the current 30-60fps in 200 + character battles/sieges and 150fps under normal conditions for average machines to improve quite a bit. So like I said, according to Tasos theres absolutely no reason to worry about FPS or client performance in Darkfall because as long as you have an “average machine” you can already expect 30-60 fps during EPIC EPIC HUGE HUGE MASSIVE SIEGE BATTLES, and over 150 fps during normal gameplay just on your average machine, and this performance will only get even better after all the optimizations are made. Absolutely incredible this is going to be totally awesome!
whats an averge machine what settings was they running
*shrug* All I know is everytime I hear that comment he made. The red flags start going off in my head. I don't know, maybe he's talking about some PC, that will be released in 15 or 20 years. I've had the pleasure of being on big raids in DAOC, Lineage 2, and RF Online. 80, 90, 100, or even more in the same area, not even on the same screen, and you could tell. I just do not see that being possible with a mid-ranged PC. Even Eve-Online had to work on some things to help with lag when 200+ people entered a system, and this was before their graphics upgrade. Not to mention not one of the games is real-time as Darkfall claims to be. Just too hard to accept such a comment at face value.
I'll believe it, when I finally see it.
Red flags?
You will be able to test the full game before you buy it.
In what way will you take any risks financially or not being able to find out if Darkfall is a game for you before you buy it?
Since you can see for yourself if the game will have the FPS promised before you buy it in what way do you get red flags?
A game developer that let you play the full game and test the FPS and all features out before you buy it is playing with open cards. No Age of Conan scams in Darkfall.
*shrug* All I know is everytime I hear that comment he made. The red flags start going off in my head. I don't know, maybe he's talking about some PC, that will be released in 15 or 20 years. I've had the pleasure of being on big raids in DAOC, Lineage 2, and RF Online. 80, 90, 100, or even more in the same area, not even on the same screen, and you could tell. I just do not see that being possible with a mid-ranged PC. Even Eve-Online had to work on some things to help with lag when 200+ people entered a system, and this was before their graphics upgrade. Not to mention not one of the games is real-time as Darkfall claims to be. Just too hard to accept such a comment at face value.
I'll believe it, when I finally see it.
Red flags?
You will be able to test the full game before you buy it.
In what way will you take any risks financially or not being able to find out if Darkfall is a game for you before you buy it?
Since you can see for yourself if the game will have the FPS promised before you buy it in what way do you get red flags?
A game developer that let you play the full game and test the FPS and all features out before you buy it is playing with open cards. No Age of Conan scams in Darkfall.
More like full honesty.
Relax a little bit Aragon. I'm just saying I find it hard to believe. Yes I know the whole thing about being able to test it for free. You do not need to repeat that to me, I was here when you originally posted that comment by them.
The PC in 10 or 15 years was just a joke.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Ok. I didn't went thru all this thread, but it strike me when I read about 1 TB (?????!!!!!!!) of raw video LOL!!! And you guys believe the lier once again? How the fap can someone make footage of one TB? Do you know what this means in terms of video editing? Do they even have the equipment or the programs to batch such a HUGE volume of files? What are they? Holiwood? One blue ray disk can hardly get 20-30 GB of storage and you are talking 30x that lol! This is insane to say the least: For just a lousy silly 50mb-100mb video that will allow you to see where exactly the game is heading, you let yourselves listen to lies and bullshit. So far, there are 10000 online players that will concurently play the game, 3million followers and 1TB of footage waiting to be edited. Not even Holywood and Pixar can edit 1TB of footage... goodluck with the video
As much as I don#t really think a video will come out (but will be pleasantly surprised if it does), your post is, mildly speaking, way off the mark.
Keep FRAPS running for a few minutes, you already get 1 Gig of raw Video data. And you can't make a video worth crap from that. Typically, for every minute of a decent Video, I use about 1 Gig worth of Raw data and I'm at best, an amateur when it comes to Video creation.
So 1 TB of raw footage is NOT ridiculous.
Edit: Actually, I just checked. 42 seconds raw Video = 500MB. You do the math.
You do the math again, and go adjust fraps or throw it out of the window.
A typical 25-30 fps dvd quality video of a normal film is no more than 4-7 gigs. You don't need that. You just need a lousy 3-4 mins of video to showcase the game's features. And thats way less than 100mb say 200mb tops. Claiming that you have footage of 1 TB, simply means that a) you are incompetent b)you lie.
Even if such a lie existed because you stoopidly record @ 150fps, which still 1TB is huge, whos gonna edit that behemoth? They will need another 10 years time to edit it, using programs they dont even know how to use
Ok. I didn't went thru all this thread, but it strike me when I read about 1 TB (?????!!!!!!!) of raw video LOL!!! And you guys believe the lier once again? How the fap can someone make footage of one TB? Do you know what this means in terms of video editing? Do they even have the equipment or the programs to batch such a HUGE volume of files? What are they? Holiwood? One blue ray disk can hardly get 20-30 GB of storage and you are talking 30x that lol! This is insane to say the least: For just a lousy silly 50mb-100mb video that will allow you to see where exactly the game is heading, you let yourselves listen to lies and bullshit. So far, there are 10000 online players that will concurently play the game, 3million followers and 1TB of footage waiting to be edited. Not even Holywood and Pixar can edit 1TB of footage... goodluck with the video
As much as I don#t really think a video will come out (but will be pleasantly surprised if it does), your post is, mildly speaking, way off the mark.
Keep FRAPS running for a few minutes, you already get 1 Gig of raw Video data. And you can't make a video worth crap from that. Typically, for every minute of a decent Video, I use about 1 Gig worth of Raw data and I'm at best, an amateur when it comes to Video creation.
So 1 TB of raw footage is NOT ridiculous.
Edit: Actually, I just checked. 42 seconds raw Video = 500MB. You do the math.
You do the math again, and go adjust fraps or throw it out of the window.
A typical 25-30 fps dvd quality video of a normal film is no more than 4-7 gigs. You don't need that. You just need a lousy 3-4 mins of video to showcase the game's features. And thats way less than 100mb say 200mb tops. Claiming that you have footage of 1 TB, simply means that a) you are incompetent b)you lie.
Even if such a lie existed because you stoopidly record @ 150fps, which still 1TB is huge, whos gonna edit that behemoth? They will need another 10 years time to edit it, using programs they dont even know how to use
Do you understand the difference between a rendered and compressed, finished video and -RAW- footage? Obviously, you don't.
Edit: I record at 30 FPS by the way. Stop insulting people when you have no clue, please.
No I don't care to understand the difference between RAW (as you call it) and compressed footage or whatever else you call it. What I do understand is, that its quite stupid for someone to create a footage of 1TB data to present a video of say 5-10 mins. In fact I don't really care how much data they have, but when someone claims of having 1TB of footage for some video presentation which is brewing for 4 months now, well allow me to call him a tool.
As for your 500mb files recorded at 30fps, just go and read the fraps manual on how to make them smaller, or use a better program.
It's just an unedited live video. It should be less than 200mb in total, and it should have been out since 3 years now. For more than 4 years you are exposed in utter bullshit and excuses. Learn to read past the small letters and send that vaporware back to Norway
No I don't care to understand the difference between RAW (as you call it) and compressed footage or whatever else you call it. What I do understand is, that its quite stupid for someone to create a footage of 1TB data to present a video of say 5-10 mins. In fact I don't really care how much data they have, but when someone claims of having 1TB of footage for some video presentation which is brewing for 4 months now, well allow me to call him a tool. As for your 500mb files recorded at 30fps, just go and read the fraps manual on how to make them smaller, or use a better program. It's just an unedited live video. It should be less than 200mb in total, and it should have been out since 3 years now. For more than 4 years you are exposed in utter bullshit and excuses. Learn to read past the small letters and send that vaporware back to Norway
First of all....I can't believe I am defending Darkfall. *smirks* But sometimes...well, anyway.
The difference between raw footage and compressed, finished video is the size. Generally, 1GB of raw video, gets you 1 Minute of finished video data (and at that point, that 1 Minute is maybe 20MB's-50MB's depending on your codec, size, quality, sound etc.). So, what that means is, that while they may have 1TB of raw video data, it will amount to maybe 100 MB maybe even 200 MB of finished Video, depending how long it is.
So there you see the difference between raw and finished. And I don't need you to belittle me, since I've used FRPS for quite a while now and am quite capable of handling things, thank you.
Now, if Darkfall ever releases, or even if the Video is ever released is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with what I tried to explain. But 1TB of raw video data is not unrealistic if they captured a lot of stuff (did they? I don#t know, I don#t even believe the video will be out, but that's beside the point).
Edit: And you may want to read through this...from the official FRAPS homepage:
"Why is the AVI movie generated by Fraps so big? How can I reduce the size?
The filesize is big because there isn’t enough time to encode the movie while the game is running. The movie frames are slightly compressed, but still require a large amount of disk space due to the high resolutions. Once you have finished capturing you should convert the saved AVI into one of the popular compressed movie formats such as mpeg or divx. Recommended programs for doing this are tmpgenc (Tsunami Mpeg Encoder), and VirtualDub.
Using VirtualDub is quite easy. To create a compressed version of the AVI follow these steps:
* Start VirtualDub
* Select File->Open and choose the AVI in the Fraps directory you wish to compress.
* Select Video->Compression and choose the codec you wish to compress with (usually divx)
* Select File->Save As AVI and specify a filename for the new AVI.
If you have Windows XP you can also use Windows Movie Maker to compress the video files. If you use Windows Movie Maker it's recommended that you keep your Fraps video files at 800x600 or under."
In fact, it's not just that video. It's their whole public image. Take a look as an example to their site: have you ever seen a site more stationary than what they have? It's like how it used to be 2-3 years back! It's as if it's written in ROMs!!! Only their forum is changing, all the rest stay the same. And they will edit 1TB of footage? LOL
In fact, it's not just that video. It's their whole public image. Take a look as an example to their site: have you ever seen a site more stationary than what they have? It's like how it used to be 2-3 years back! It's as if it's written in ROMs!!! Only their forum is changing, all the rest stay the same. And they will edit 1TB of footage? LOL
That's a completely different issue. DF is a game that promises everything and will (in my opinion) not deliver on a lot of their promises. But that was not what was discussed, nor was it what you started flinging insults over.
No I don't care to understand the difference between RAW (as you call it) and compressed footage or whatever else you call it. What I do understand is, that its quite stupid for someone to create a footage of 1TB data to present a video of say 5-10 mins. In fact I don't really care how much data they have, but when someone claims of having 1TB of footage for some video presentation which is brewing for 4 months now, well allow me to call him a tool. As for your 500mb files recorded at 30fps, just go and read the fraps manual on how to make them smaller, or use a better program. It's just an unedited live video. It should be less than 200mb in total, and it should have been out since 3 years now. For more than 4 years you are exposed in utter bullshit and excuses. Learn to read past the small letters and send that vaporware back to Norway
First of all....I can't believe I am defending Darkfall. *smirks* But sometimes...well, anyway.
The difference between raw footage and compressed, finished video is the size. Generally, 1GB of raw video, gets you 1 Minute of finished video data (and at that point, that 1 Minute is maybe 20MB's-50MB's depending on your codec, size, quality, sound etc.). So, what that means is, that while they may have 1TB of raw video data, it will amount to maybe 100 MB maybe even 200 MB of finished Video, depending how long it is.
So there you see the difference between raw and finished. And I don't need you to belittle me, since I've used FRPS for quite a while now and am quite capable of handling things, thank you.
Now, if Darkfall ever releases, or even if the Video is ever released is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with what I tried to explain. But 1TB of raw video data is not unrealistic if they captured a lot of stuff (did they? I don#t know, I don#t even believe the video will be out, but that's beside the point).
Edit: And you may want to read through this...from the official FRAPS homepage:
"Why is the AVI movie generated by Fraps so big? How can I reduce the size?
The filesize is big because there isn’t enough time to encode the movie while the game is running. The movie frames are slightly compressed, but still require a large amount of disk space due to the high resolutions. Once you have finished capturing you should convert the saved AVI into one of the popular compressed movie formats such as mpeg or divx. Recommended programs for doing this are tmpgenc (Tsunami Mpeg Encoder), and VirtualDub.
Using VirtualDub is quite easy. To create a compressed version of the AVI follow these steps:
* Start VirtualDub
* Select File->Open and choose the AVI in the Fraps directory you wish to compress.
* Select Video->Compression and choose the codec you wish to compress with (usually divx)
* Select File->Save As AVI and specify a filename for the new AVI.
If you have Windows XP you can also use Windows Movie Maker to compress the video files. If you use Windows Movie Maker it's recommended that you keep your Fraps video files at 800x600 or under."
What you say here, is that you ASSUME they use offline programs to record their movies. Well if they do that, they are worst than the amateurs we all think they are. They should either use a live online video recording card/software or outsource the whole thing to one of many companies that do digital postprocessing. And if they cant afford that, just screw that whole project, take the shitiiest handycam you can find, record some footage and voila: works done in less than 20mins!!!!
Also mind you: they NEVER said they record 1TB of RAW. Watch the semantics here ...
No I don't care to understand the difference between RAW (as you call it) and compressed footage or whatever else you call it. What I do understand is, that its quite stupid for someone to create a footage of 1TB data to present a video of say 5-10 mins. In fact I don't really care how much data they have, but when someone claims of having 1TB of footage for some video presentation which is brewing for 4 months now, well allow me to call him a tool. As for your 500mb files recorded at 30fps, just go and read the fraps manual on how to make them smaller, or use a better program. It's just an unedited live video. It should be less than 200mb in total, and it should have been out since 3 years now. For more than 4 years you are exposed in utter bullshit and excuses. Learn to read past the small letters and send that vaporware back to Norway
First of all....I can't believe I am defending Darkfall. *smirks* But sometimes...well, anyway.
The difference between raw footage and compressed, finished video is the size. Generally, 1GB of raw video, gets you 1 Minute of finished video data (and at that point, that 1 Minute is maybe 20MB's-50MB's depending on your codec, size, quality, sound etc.). So, what that means is, that while they may have 1TB of raw video data, it will amount to maybe 100 MB maybe even 200 MB of finished Video, depending how long it is.
So there you see the difference between raw and finished. And I don't need you to belittle me, since I've used FRPS for quite a while now and am quite capable of handling things, thank you.
Now, if Darkfall ever releases, or even if the Video is ever released is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with what I tried to explain. But 1TB of raw video data is not unrealistic if they captured a lot of stuff (did they? I don#t know, I don#t even believe the video will be out, but that's beside the point).
Edit: And you may want to read through this...from the official FRAPS homepage:
"Why is the AVI movie generated by Fraps so big? How can I reduce the size?
The filesize is big because there isn’t enough time to encode the movie while the game is running. The movie frames are slightly compressed, but still require a large amount of disk space due to the high resolutions. Once you have finished capturing you should convert the saved AVI into one of the popular compressed movie formats such as mpeg or divx. Recommended programs for doing this are tmpgenc (Tsunami Mpeg Encoder), and VirtualDub.
Using VirtualDub is quite easy. To create a compressed version of the AVI follow these steps:
* Start VirtualDub
* Select File->Open and choose the AVI in the Fraps directory you wish to compress.
* Select Video->Compression and choose the codec you wish to compress with (usually divx)
* Select File->Save As AVI and specify a filename for the new AVI.
If you have Windows XP you can also use Windows Movie Maker to compress the video files. If you use Windows Movie Maker it's recommended that you keep your Fraps video files at 800x600 or under."
What you say here, is that you ASSUME they use offline programs to record their movies. Well if they do that, they are worst than the amateurs we all think they are. They should either use a live online video recording card/software or outsource the whole thing to one of many companies that do digital postprocessing. And if they cant afford that, just screw that whole project, take the shitiiest handycam you can find, record some footage and voila: works done in less than 20mins!!!!
Also mind you: they NEVER said they record 1TB of RAW. Watch the semantics here ...
Read the first post again. I TB of raw data. That's what they say. And Tasos even says right there that they are using Fraps to do it. Think of that what you will, but that's the information we have. And based on that, 1 TB is not silly. It is quite normal.
Again, this discussion was never about IF the video comes out or not, and much less about DF itself. It was only some people complaining that 1 TB of raw data is a joke. Which it is not based on the setup.
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras - There's a video coming out, most probably next week, or shortly after. We’re talking about a long 100% in-game pure gameplay trailer with no scripting, no simulation, no post-processing. It’s us play-testing while fraps is running on free cameras and playercams and all the footage was collected and edited. The scenarios for it had to be run as part of our testing and development schedule as they came up. Nothing is scripted. We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game and this requires us to be actually playing the game like you would be, and not just taking you on a sightseeing tour or have a company make a marketing cinematic trailer for us. [/QUOTE]
Do you know what "No post processing" means? Because you are speaking about a video with heavy post processing. So there you go: we will get a "No post process" video... which, as you imply it will be 1TB
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras - There's a video coming out, most probably next week, or shortly after. We’re talking about a long 100% in-game pure gameplay trailer with no scripting, no simulation, no post-processing. It’s us play-testing while fraps is running on free cameras and playercams and all the footage was collected and edited. The scenarios for it had to be run as part of our testing and development schedule as they came up. Nothing is scripted. We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game and this requires us to be actually playing the game like you would be, and not just taking you on a sightseeing tour or have a company make a marketing cinematic trailer for us. [/QUOTE]
Do you know what "No post processing" means? Because you are speaking about a video with heavy post processing. So there you go: we will get a "No post process" video... which, as you imply it will be 1TB
They use fraps... Amateurs...
Yes. They might be amateurs. They might be fakes. They might be liars. I personally think they are not going to be able to deliver on their promises.
Would you stop trying to pick an argument with me now? You're not adding anything to the discussion I originally started.
Edit: Heavy post-processing is adding effects, adding other things, and stuff. It's NOT the encoding and compressing.
[QUOTE] Tasos Flambouras - There's a video coming out, most probably next week, or shortly after. We’re talking about a long 100% in-game pure gameplay trailer with no scripting, no simulation, no post-processing. It’s us play-testing while fraps is running on free cameras and playercams and all the footage was collected and edited. The scenarios for it had to be run as part of our testing and development schedule as they came up. Nothing is scripted. We wanted to give you something that can put you in the true spirit of the game and this requires us to be actually playing the game like you would be, and not just taking you on a sightseeing tour or have a company make a marketing cinematic trailer for us. [/QUOTE]
Do you know what "No post processing" means? Because you are speaking about a video with heavy post processing. So there you go: we will get a "No post process" video... which, as you imply it will be 1TB
They use fraps... Amateurs...
haha, you comments are going on repeat and your mindlessness post are so obvious. You really deny the facts that 1 TB isn't that much. If you compare to a bigger company 1 TB is nothing.
... The wheel keeps turning but the hamster is dead.
Edit: Heavy post-processing is adding effects, adding other things, and stuff. It's NOT the encoding and compressing.
Post processing is everything you do AFTER you capture a RAW original.
When I talk about heavy I mean: you take one TB of data and you shrink o edit or cut or call it however you want to 200mb. I don't care if they deliver a program a game, a fake if they keep their promises (they haven't already besides) but I do care when they bullshitting people: a simple unedited footage, mini video took a little more than couple of years to get ready.
Incidentally, you are using the term "RAW" mistakenly: RAW is the digital negative output that originates from digital sensor, with only minimal processing. Fraps is a free utility that has nothing to do with raw or sensors or anything. Consider it as a digital alternative to a handycam
Edit: Heavy post-processing is adding effects, adding other things, and stuff. It's NOT the encoding and compressing.
Post processing is everything you do AFTER you capture a RAW original.
When I talk about heavy I mean: you take one TB of data and you shrink o edit or cut or call it however you want to 200mb. I don't care if they deliver a program a game, a fake if they keep their promises (they haven't already besides) but I do care when they bullshitting people: a simple unedited footage, mini video took a little more than couple of years to get ready.
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ok you guys are really asking for it arent you
The game? Yeah. Or information. Or answers to some questions. Anything really.
How can you compare Age of Conan with its hi polygon graphics with Darkfall?
It will take alot of computer power to load a epic battle on Age of Conan. Thats just common sense. On a low polygon graphic game like Darkfall it will take alot less computer power to load the same epic battle.
Darkfall been optimized from starters for epic battle PvP. Age of Conan werent.
On the FPS we just have to believe the developers on their words since they have been playing and developed the game and not believe some random boardwriters with no insight whatsoever in the game and an interest in miscrediting the game.
whats an averge machine what settings was they running
*shrug* All I know is everytime I hear that comment he made. The red flags start going off in my head. I don't know, maybe he's talking about some PC, that will be released in 15 or 20 years. I've had the pleasure of being on big raids in DAOC, Lineage 2, and RF Online. 80, 90, 100, or even more in the same area, not even on the same screen, and you could tell. I just do not see that being possible with a mid-ranged PC. Even Eve-Online had to work on some things to help with lag when 200+ people entered a system, and this was before their graphics upgrade. Not to mention not one of the games is real-time as Darkfall claims to be. Just too hard to accept such a comment at face value.
I'll believe it, when I finally see it.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Ok. I didn't went thru all this thread, but it strike me when I read about 1 TB (?????!!!!!!!) of raw video LOL!!!
And you guys believe the lier once again? How the fap can someone make footage of one TB? Do you know what this means in terms of video editing? Do they even have the equipment or the programs to batch such a HUGE volume of files? What are they? Holiwood?
One blue ray disk can hardly get 20-30 GB of storage and you are talking 30x that lol! This is insane to say the least: For just a lousy silly 50mb-100mb video that will allow you to see where exactly the game is heading, you let yourselves listen to lies and bullshit. So far, there are 10000 online players that will concurently play the game, 3million followers and 1TB of footage waiting to be edited. Not even Holywood and Pixar can edit 1TB of footage... goodluck with the video
As much as I don#t really think a video will come out (but will be pleasantly surprised if it does), your post is, mildly speaking, way off the mark.
Keep FRAPS running for a few minutes, you already get 1 Gig of raw Video data. And you can't make a video worth crap from that. Typically, for every minute of a decent Video, I use about 1 Gig worth of Raw data and I'm at best, an amateur when it comes to Video creation.
So 1 TB of raw footage is NOT ridiculous.
Edit: Actually, I just checked. 42 seconds raw Video = 500MB. You do the math.
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whats an averge machine what settings was they running
*shrug* All I know is everytime I hear that comment he made. The red flags start going off in my head. I don't know, maybe he's talking about some PC, that will be released in 15 or 20 years. I've had the pleasure of being on big raids in DAOC, Lineage 2, and RF Online. 80, 90, 100, or even more in the same area, not even on the same screen, and you could tell. I just do not see that being possible with a mid-ranged PC. Even Eve-Online had to work on some things to help with lag when 200+ people entered a system, and this was before their graphics upgrade. Not to mention not one of the games is real-time as Darkfall claims to be. Just too hard to accept such a comment at face value.
I'll believe it, when I finally see it.
Red flags?
You will be able to test the full game before you buy it.
In what way will you take any risks financially or not being able to find out if Darkfall is a game for you before you buy it?
Since you can see for yourself if the game will have the FPS promised before you buy it in what way do you get red flags?
A game developer that let you play the full game and test the FPS and all features out before you buy it is playing with open cards. No Age of Conan scams in Darkfall.
More like full honesty.
Your psychic abilities amaze me.
So it's either you are just pulling shit out of your buttox and calling it fact since none of this has happened yet.
Or you are a developer with inside info.
Which one is it?
Your psychic abilities amaze me.
So it's either you are just pulling shit out of your buttox and calling it fact since none of this has happened yet.
Or you are a developer with inside info.
Which one is it?
Its a quote from Darkfall developers.
If you have any more accurate information on the matter feel free to post it under this reply.
*shrug* All I know is everytime I hear that comment he made. The red flags start going off in my head. I don't know, maybe he's talking about some PC, that will be released in 15 or 20 years. I've had the pleasure of being on big raids in DAOC, Lineage 2, and RF Online. 80, 90, 100, or even more in the same area, not even on the same screen, and you could tell. I just do not see that being possible with a mid-ranged PC. Even Eve-Online had to work on some things to help with lag when 200+ people entered a system, and this was before their graphics upgrade. Not to mention not one of the games is real-time as Darkfall claims to be. Just too hard to accept such a comment at face value.
I'll believe it, when I finally see it.
Red flags?
You will be able to test the full game before you buy it.
In what way will you take any risks financially or not being able to find out if Darkfall is a game for you before you buy it?
Since you can see for yourself if the game will have the FPS promised before you buy it in what way do you get red flags?
A game developer that let you play the full game and test the FPS and all features out before you buy it is playing with open cards. No Age of Conan scams in Darkfall.
More like full honesty.
Relax a little bit Aragon. I'm just saying I find it hard to believe. Yes I know the whole thing about being able to test it for free. You do not need to repeat that to me, I was here when you originally posted that comment by them.
The PC in 10 or 15 years was just a joke.
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As much as I don#t really think a video will come out (but will be pleasantly surprised if it does), your post is, mildly speaking, way off the mark.
Keep FRAPS running for a few minutes, you already get 1 Gig of raw Video data. And you can't make a video worth crap from that. Typically, for every minute of a decent Video, I use about 1 Gig worth of Raw data and I'm at best, an amateur when it comes to Video creation.
So 1 TB of raw footage is NOT ridiculous.
Edit: Actually, I just checked. 42 seconds raw Video = 500MB. You do the math.
You do the math again, and go adjust fraps or throw it out of the window.
A typical 25-30 fps dvd quality video of a normal film is no more than 4-7 gigs. You don't need that. You just need a lousy 3-4 mins of video to showcase the game's features. And thats way less than 100mb say 200mb tops. Claiming that you have footage of 1 TB, simply means that a) you are incompetent b)you lie.
Even if such a lie existed because you stoopidly record @ 150fps, which still 1TB is huge, whos gonna edit that behemoth? They will need another 10 years time to edit it, using programs they dont even know how to use
As much as I don#t really think a video will come out (but will be pleasantly surprised if it does), your post is, mildly speaking, way off the mark.
Keep FRAPS running for a few minutes, you already get 1 Gig of raw Video data. And you can't make a video worth crap from that. Typically, for every minute of a decent Video, I use about 1 Gig worth of Raw data and I'm at best, an amateur when it comes to Video creation.
So 1 TB of raw footage is NOT ridiculous.
Edit: Actually, I just checked. 42 seconds raw Video = 500MB. You do the math.
You do the math again, and go adjust fraps or throw it out of the window.
A typical 25-30 fps dvd quality video of a normal film is no more than 4-7 gigs. You don't need that. You just need a lousy 3-4 mins of video to showcase the game's features. And thats way less than 100mb say 200mb tops. Claiming that you have footage of 1 TB, simply means that a) you are incompetent b)you lie.
Even if such a lie existed because you stoopidly record @ 150fps, which still 1TB is huge, whos gonna edit that behemoth? They will need another 10 years time to edit it, using programs they dont even know how to use
Do you understand the difference between a rendered and compressed, finished video and -RAW- footage? Obviously, you don't.
Edit: I record at 30 FPS by the way. Stop insulting people when you have no clue, please.
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Final Fantasy 7
No I don't care to understand the difference between RAW (as you call it) and compressed footage or whatever else you call it. What I do understand is, that its quite stupid for someone to create a footage of 1TB data to present a video of say 5-10 mins. In fact I don't really care how much data they have, but when someone claims of having 1TB of footage for some video presentation which is brewing for 4 months now, well allow me to call him a tool.
As for your 500mb files recorded at 30fps, just go and read the fraps manual on how to make them smaller, or use a better program.
It's just an unedited live video. It should be less than 200mb in total, and it should have been out since 3 years now. For more than 4 years you are exposed in utter bullshit and excuses. Learn to read past the small letters and send that vaporware back to Norway
First of all....I can't believe I am defending Darkfall. *smirks* But sometimes...well, anyway.
The difference between raw footage and compressed, finished video is the size. Generally, 1GB of raw video, gets you 1 Minute of finished video data (and at that point, that 1 Minute is maybe 20MB's-50MB's depending on your codec, size, quality, sound etc.). So, what that means is, that while they may have 1TB of raw video data, it will amount to maybe 100 MB maybe even 200 MB of finished Video, depending how long it is.
So there you see the difference between raw and finished. And I don't need you to belittle me, since I've used FRPS for quite a while now and am quite capable of handling things, thank you.
Now, if Darkfall ever releases, or even if the Video is ever released is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with what I tried to explain. But 1TB of raw video data is not unrealistic if they captured a lot of stuff (did they? I don#t know, I don#t even believe the video will be out, but that's beside the point).
Edit: And you may want to read through this...from the official FRAPS homepage:
"Why is the AVI movie generated by Fraps so big? How can I reduce the size?
The filesize is big because there isn’t enough time to encode the movie while the game is running. The movie frames are slightly compressed, but still require a large amount of disk space due to the high resolutions. Once you have finished capturing you should convert the saved AVI into one of the popular compressed movie formats such as mpeg or divx. Recommended programs for doing this are tmpgenc (Tsunami Mpeg Encoder), and VirtualDub.
Using VirtualDub is quite easy. To create a compressed version of the AVI follow these steps:
* Start VirtualDub
* Select File->Open and choose the AVI in the Fraps directory you wish to compress.
* Select Video->Compression and choose the codec you wish to compress with (usually divx)
* Select File->Save As AVI and specify a filename for the new AVI.
If you have Windows XP you can also use Windows Movie Maker to compress the video files. If you use Windows Movie Maker it's recommended that you keep your Fraps video files at 800x600 or under."
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Final Fantasy 7
In fact, it's not just that video. It's their whole public image. Take a look as an example to their site: have you ever seen a site more stationary than what they have? It's like how it used to be 2-3 years back! It's as if it's written in ROMs!!! Only their forum is changing, all the rest stay the same. And they will edit 1TB of footage? LOL
That's a completely different issue. DF is a game that promises everything and will (in my opinion) not deliver on a lot of their promises. But that was not what was discussed, nor was it what you started flinging insults over.
Cheers!
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Final Fantasy 7
First of all....I can't believe I am defending Darkfall. *smirks* But sometimes...well, anyway.
The difference between raw footage and compressed, finished video is the size. Generally, 1GB of raw video, gets you 1 Minute of finished video data (and at that point, that 1 Minute is maybe 20MB's-50MB's depending on your codec, size, quality, sound etc.). So, what that means is, that while they may have 1TB of raw video data, it will amount to maybe 100 MB maybe even 200 MB of finished Video, depending how long it is.
So there you see the difference between raw and finished. And I don't need you to belittle me, since I've used FRPS for quite a while now and am quite capable of handling things, thank you.
Now, if Darkfall ever releases, or even if the Video is ever released is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with what I tried to explain. But 1TB of raw video data is not unrealistic if they captured a lot of stuff (did they? I don#t know, I don#t even believe the video will be out, but that's beside the point).
Edit: And you may want to read through this...from the official FRAPS homepage:
"Why is the AVI movie generated by Fraps so big? How can I reduce the size?
The filesize is big because there isn’t enough time to encode the movie while the game is running. The movie frames are slightly compressed, but still require a large amount of disk space due to the high resolutions. Once you have finished capturing you should convert the saved AVI into one of the popular compressed movie formats such as mpeg or divx. Recommended programs for doing this are tmpgenc (Tsunami Mpeg Encoder), and VirtualDub.
Using VirtualDub is quite easy. To create a compressed version of the AVI follow these steps:
* Start VirtualDub
* Select File->Open and choose the AVI in the Fraps directory you wish to compress.
* Select Video->Compression and choose the codec you wish to compress with (usually divx)
* Select File->Save As AVI and specify a filename for the new AVI.
If you have Windows XP you can also use Windows Movie Maker to compress the video files. If you use Windows Movie Maker it's recommended that you keep your Fraps video files at 800x600 or under."
What you say here, is that you ASSUME they use offline programs to record their movies. Well if they do that, they are worst than the amateurs we all think they are. They should either use a live online video recording card/software or outsource the whole thing to one of many companies that do digital postprocessing. And if they cant afford that, just screw that whole project, take the shitiiest handycam you can find, record some footage and voila: works done in less than 20mins!!!!
Also mind you: they NEVER said they record 1TB of RAW. Watch the semantics here ...
First of all....I can't believe I am defending Darkfall. *smirks* But sometimes...well, anyway.
The difference between raw footage and compressed, finished video is the size. Generally, 1GB of raw video, gets you 1 Minute of finished video data (and at that point, that 1 Minute is maybe 20MB's-50MB's depending on your codec, size, quality, sound etc.). So, what that means is, that while they may have 1TB of raw video data, it will amount to maybe 100 MB maybe even 200 MB of finished Video, depending how long it is.
So there you see the difference between raw and finished. And I don't need you to belittle me, since I've used FRPS for quite a while now and am quite capable of handling things, thank you.
Now, if Darkfall ever releases, or even if the Video is ever released is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with what I tried to explain. But 1TB of raw video data is not unrealistic if they captured a lot of stuff (did they? I don#t know, I don#t even believe the video will be out, but that's beside the point).
Edit: And you may want to read through this...from the official FRAPS homepage:
"Why is the AVI movie generated by Fraps so big? How can I reduce the size?
The filesize is big because there isn’t enough time to encode the movie while the game is running. The movie frames are slightly compressed, but still require a large amount of disk space due to the high resolutions. Once you have finished capturing you should convert the saved AVI into one of the popular compressed movie formats such as mpeg or divx. Recommended programs for doing this are tmpgenc (Tsunami Mpeg Encoder), and VirtualDub.
Using VirtualDub is quite easy. To create a compressed version of the AVI follow these steps:
* Start VirtualDub
* Select File->Open and choose the AVI in the Fraps directory you wish to compress.
* Select Video->Compression and choose the codec you wish to compress with (usually divx)
* Select File->Save As AVI and specify a filename for the new AVI.
If you have Windows XP you can also use Windows Movie Maker to compress the video files. If you use Windows Movie Maker it's recommended that you keep your Fraps video files at 800x600 or under."
What you say here, is that you ASSUME they use offline programs to record their movies. Well if they do that, they are worst than the amateurs we all think they are. They should either use a live online video recording card/software or outsource the whole thing to one of many companies that do digital postprocessing. And if they cant afford that, just screw that whole project, take the shitiiest handycam you can find, record some footage and voila: works done in less than 20mins!!!!
Also mind you: they NEVER said they record 1TB of RAW. Watch the semantics here ...
Read the first post again. I TB of raw data. That's what they say. And Tasos even says right there that they are using Fraps to do it. Think of that what you will, but that's the information we have. And based on that, 1 TB is not silly. It is quite normal.
Again, this discussion was never about IF the video comes out or not, and much less about DF itself. It was only some people complaining that 1 TB of raw data is a joke. Which it is not based on the setup.
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Final Fantasy 7
Do you know what "No post processing" means? Because you are speaking about a video with heavy post processing. So there you go: we will get a "No post process" video... which, as you imply it will be 1TB
They use fraps... Amateurs...
Do you know what "No post processing" means? Because you are speaking about a video with heavy post processing. So there you go: we will get a "No post process" video... which, as you imply it will be 1TB
They use fraps... Amateurs...
Yes. They might be amateurs. They might be fakes. They might be liars. I personally think they are not going to be able to deliver on their promises.
Would you stop trying to pick an argument with me now? You're not adding anything to the discussion I originally started.
Edit: Heavy post-processing is adding effects, adding other things, and stuff. It's NOT the encoding and compressing.
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Final Fantasy 7
Do you know what "No post processing" means? Because you are speaking about a video with heavy post processing. So there you go: we will get a "No post process" video... which, as you imply it will be 1TB
They use fraps... Amateurs...
haha, you comments are going on repeat and your mindlessness post are so obvious. You really deny the facts that 1 TB isn't that much. If you compare to a bigger company 1 TB is nothing.
... The wheel keeps turning but the hamster is dead.
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Final Fantasy 7
Kind of like Darkfalls development
Post processing is everything you do AFTER you capture a RAW original.
When I talk about heavy I mean: you take one TB of data and you shrink o edit or cut or call it however you want to 200mb. I don't care if they deliver a program a game, a fake if they keep their promises (they haven't already besides) but I do care when they bullshitting people: a simple unedited footage, mini video took a little more than couple of years to get ready.
Incidentally, you are using the term "RAW" mistakenly: RAW is the digital negative output that originates from digital sensor, with only minimal processing. Fraps is a free utility that has nothing to do with raw or sensors or anything. Consider it as a digital alternative to a handycam
Post processing is everything you do AFTER you capture a RAW original.
When I talk about heavy I mean: you take one TB of data and you shrink o edit or cut or call it however you want to 200mb. I don't care if they deliver a program a game, a fake if they keep their promises (they haven't already besides) but I do care when they bullshitting people: a simple unedited footage, mini video took a little more than couple of years to get ready.
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