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Reason for going core.
GreenChaos
Member Posts: 2,268
(For those that don't like to read I RvR 99% of the time)
OK, there seams to be some misconceptions about core going around. That it's for people that don't like PvP.
So I'm going to lay out why I'm going core.
And for the record I have been playing beta for a few months and my play style is almost all RvR after level 5ish. With the occasional break for a public quests, but that is very occasional.
1. Varied, distinct game play options
(that you can switch to quickly) is what makes this game great at what sets it apart from other MMORPGs:
- PvE
- Public Quests
- Scenarios
- RvR (Random, battle field objectives, keep taking).
99% of my time is spent in RvR areas and scenarios. Now and then I like to take a break and have a distinctly different gameplay experience that is PvE free of PvP. I love PvP servers in other games, games where you PvP to take a break from your PvE. But this is not WoW or AoC, I PvE to take a break from my PvP in WAR.
2. Advancing the WAR
Different people will play differently but all of my RvR time will be spent advancing the war. For those of you that don't know, in RvR areas there are battlefield objectives and keeps to take. These along with scenarios and public quests help your side advance. Tier 4 people can eventually raid the enemies capital city if the advance enough.
Having played tier 4 myself I find helping to advance the war fun as hell. Several warbands in one area working together, taking objectives, locking down an area and moving to the next one, is good times.
There is going to be enough people farting around in core, doing random RvR and not helping the war effort as it is, which will be frustrating for those trying to unlock content. My feeling in that on open, there will be more people farting around and less people helping to move their side forward.
3. Bolster
Let's not forget about bolster, in core your level gets raised in an RvR area, so you can RvR at level 1 against people that are level 10 (In their 1 your level gets raised to level 8, they will still have an advantage, but it will be lessoned).
4. Chicken Rule
I don't care so much about this, but for people that like to complete content (there are many achievements and such in this game) they will not be able to go down a tier on a open server.
In conclusion.
I'm not trying to get everyone to go core, the point I'm trying to make is that there is going to be some great RvR to be had in core, not just open. You can still spend 99% or 100% of your time RvR'ing in core if you want to, I know I will.
Comments
aren't there a lot more PvP options on open though?
So I will be doing more RvR in core than I would in open (because of bolster)
I think a lot of people are confused about the Core vs Open RvR servers. The Core server is the basic rule set. This is what the game was designed around so you have the RvR lakes that you can enter into. You also receive a bolster effect which increases your level within a few levels from the max of the current tier. In the open rule sets the bolster effect has been removed so you can be a level two or even a level one character being killed by a level 11. At least with bolster you would stand a chance.
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i prefer open , i got pissed in beta when i was running around in a "non" rvr area and see an enemy and cant do anything , didnt feel right . I think it should have been open pvp everywhere and the rvr area's they have set up should just be HotZones for rvr, you can still do every single thing in an open rvr as you can in core rvr (except the bolster effect which i dont care for , earn the levels then rvr , but thats me ) but ya open rvr anywhere and the rvr zones be set as hotzones for rvr , would pretty much be the same as on a core server , wont change the gameplay too much people will still be doing all the same things core people are doing , not all this (screwing off) the Op thinks would happen , in fact there would proly be more war effert on a open server , as it would be a bit more dangerous and people will want to controll their area's/zones etc. Im sure i nthe higher levels the "safe" area's are not too big so maybe you wont see to many "non attackable *' enemy's but imo one non attackable enemy is too many.
So I will be doing more RvR in core than I would in open (because of bolster)
Thats a farse. In scenarios anyway, when bolster took effect and raised all the lower tier characters up to a "competitive" level it was a joke. They get the hp bonus and a few marginal bonuses as if they were a higher level, but are still using (in the case of tier 1) level 2 abilities against real lvl 8 players...who wins?
"You idiot! Its about skill!!" rawr foammouthed prole speak
When people are the same level it is about skill, sometimes. Try to take on someone with better abilities and see who wins, or a team of players that aren't a level 2 character bolstered up to lvl 8.
I like the removal of bolster, means a lot less extremely lower level people playing around me, and that leaves room for the people who actually can compete. Try getting healed by a level 2 when you are fighting level 10 players; and yes you can tell if they are bolstered or not, there aren't a million skills to remember for the classes.
Flame away.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
so many wrong trolls where to begin righting them
bolster isnt the be all end all but level 1s are gonna join scenarios no matter what, at least at 8 they do some dmg in large groups lol, open theyre gonna be easy pickens no doubt
the chicken thing is plenty annoying and does what its intended keeps tier 2 people off tier 1 rvr ect
core bear? the game was designed around core, go cry to mythic that you dont like how they set it up and get ignored cause they dont care a few people that have the wit to come up with "corebear" didnt happen to like the core setup
if you wanna go to where the enemy starts out on core you can, you can kill their pq mobs they need to protect and you can flag and watch level 2s think your some named mob and try to take you down and laugh as you cut them to ribbons, done this and had fun with it while waiting for scenarios to pop up for me to play
in the end theres no way to please everyone, but those that dont like war core servers are just plain unpleasable and should just not play war since theyll not have a good time no matter what mythic does to try and appease them, they are trolls and trolls are born unhappy and die unhappy
have been thinking alot about core vs open in WAR. in the start i couldnt see any reason to be core, since in a real war you cant just say "haha im not flagged". but tbh, by playing the core, all the rvr / pvp will be at some spots, which means, that it will be more intense, insted of people running around all over the WAR world.
so honestly, i have allmost changed my mind from open to core by now, but who knows
Ah I suppose valid points are trolls nowadays. We need to get you the rabid fanboy vaccine before it is too late!
1s will only join scenarios a few times before they get tired of getting killed 30 times without getting one attributed kill or much of any exp.
The underlined statement is why Core servers will be worse than Open for griefers, not in the traditional sense of ganking and camping, but some little tool like you going around and killing off quest mobs with no reprisal. At least in Open, there will be the option to kill you since you'll be the same tier and will be flagged; as well as chicken rule for those who really need e-enzyte for their e-peen.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
go back and read what i said, i flagged up and killed their mobs and they attacked me thinking i was part of the pq and i wiped the floor with em. i didnt sit there like a chicken shit unflagged killing mobs to grief, i was doing it to pick a fight and it worked awesomely, a level 10 dok in his rvr armor can handle a load of mid tier 1 noobies all at once without dropping below 90% hp too hehe
All you have to do is see how well it worked in DAOC. Core servers are essentially the same rules as DAOC, and the open are well like the pvp server Mordred. If you look now and way back Mordred pops were always WAY lower then the normal servers. There will be some open servers for people and they re trying to please them. In the end though Core is where most people want to play and theres nothing wrong with that.
There's more areas to "PvP" but not any extra areas to "RvR" ... most people who want to garner RR at a competative pace are going to stick to the RvR lakes anyway...why you say? Because taking objectives & keeps is actually worth more Renown Points than just killing a few players. Especially since players become worth less and less RP points the more they're killed in PvP during a session. Trust me it gets frustrating to be fighting a long war and see the RP points slow down because you've killed the same 12 people multiple times.
Personally people who like to kill players all the time anytime without any reason are going to enjoy Open Servers the most....and to me thats fine...
I have to admit the OP's reasons for going core are my own..I like my two activities seperate..nothing pissed me off more in UO then trying to just do some adventuring to have some jackass theives guild blast me into the dirt during a lag spike or while I was weighted down with ore.
To each their own though...thats the benefit of server choices...people who like particular typse of play have different places to go. Forcing Open PvP people onto a core server = unhappy players...I'd rather have marginally happier players to play with then people bitching about wanting open pvp. I'll be leaving myself RvR flagged in the PvE areas if I really really feel the need to lure in some of the enemy...at lower tiers though to be honest..you almost NEVER see the enemy until the RvR lakes.
While I do think it's stupid you run by opposite faction sometimes, it makes the game a lot more fun. It's not fun when you are level 10, trying to take points, and a level 40 guy comes and kills you over and over and no skill or luck will make you able to kill him, you're just helpless and it's not fun in any way. I am going to pick the ruleset that allows the most fun, since its a game, and I'll leave realism and logic for real life.
It's not a carebear attitude, honestly carebears are the level 40 people mowing down level 1 people, because they know they cannot be killed. Takes no skill, risk, and I don't even see how its fun to do that.
you can actually get in trouble for this behavior on a core server atleast in Beta they used to heavily discourage it. Unless the PQ pits you directly against the enemy that is.
hahaha, corebear that's funny
But I still don't know wich way i'll go with this.. IF the servers pop are low i'll go core but if there are 15K players on a server i'll go open. No bolster? Meh, It's better like that imo. A lvl 2 player should only do lvl 2 stuff and it's not like there wont be any lvl 2 in the opposite faction..
Was this at all necessary? I think not. Perhaps you should wait until release before you pass judgment on your so called "corebears". There has been no testing of the open rvr rule sets other then that of internal testing. How are you so sure that it will be anything more than a ball of shit? The game was designed around the core rules and that will be where I am playing not in some afterthought epenis competition.
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theres nothing funnier than WoW players calling each other carebears.
Lol
I take that as a major insult especially considering I hate WoW. Maybe you should kiss off and stop being a hater .. the OP isn't crapping on the Open servers or saying there shouldnt' be any simply stating that he's not some 'carebear' but he'd prefer to play on a core server so he atleast has the 'option' of completing the PvE portions of the game.
It'll be near impossible to complete the PvE TOK items since once you reach say Tier 2 you can no longer visit Tier 1 at all.
i was talking about baso, greenchaos is a nice guy who writes good posts. and i have no idea who you are.
I take that as a major insult especially considering I hate WoW. Maybe you should kiss off and stop being a hater .. the OP isn't crapping on the Open servers or saying there shouldnt' be any simply stating that he's not some 'carebear' but he'd prefer to play on a core server so he atleast has the 'option' of completing the PvE portions of the game.
It'll be near impossible to complete the PvE TOK items since once you reach say Tier 2 you can no longer visit Tier 1 at all.
Well said.
I wonder how worthwhile the tactics / abilities are that you get from Tome unlocks and if they'd give a significant advantage?
I take that as a major insult especially considering I hate WoW. Maybe you should kiss off and stop being a hater .. the OP isn't crapping on the Open servers or saying there shouldnt' be any simply stating that he's not some 'carebear' but he'd prefer to play on a core server so he atleast has the 'option' of completing the PvE portions of the game.
It'll be near impossible to complete the PvE TOK items since once you reach say Tier 2 you can no longer visit Tier 1 at all.
I don't believe that was directed at the op...more than likely at the gentleman that made the corebear remark. Relax.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
If your going to throw out insults into a thread atleast direct them openly ... I'm here all the time how you can miss that is amazing..though you could be more familiar with my retired alias...I got tired of being harrassed on my other one.
frankly if you think that me saying "theres nothing funnier than WoW players calling each other carebears" is an insult to you then i suggest you calm down. i dont think its insulting at all, simply an observation that people calling each other carebears is quite laughable when they all play games with no meaningful pvp.
its like members of a "hardcore" raid guild with a 35 hour/week requirement calling each other bottlepissers.
Honestly I was considering going core myself until I thought about it.
When I do try and pvp, do I really want to try and sort out low level peeps from the higher level?
I can already see it on core.. gathering a raid of what you think are decent level people, and find out they were really bolstered and get slaughtered.
I take that as a major insult especially considering I hate WoW. Maybe you should kiss off and stop being a hater .. the OP isn't crapping on the Open servers or saying there shouldnt' be any simply stating that he's not some 'carebear' but he'd prefer to play on a core server so he atleast has the 'option' of completing the PvE portions of the game.
It'll be near impossible to complete the PvE TOK items since once you reach say Tier 2 you can no longer visit Tier 1 at all.
Well said.
I wonder how worthwhile the tactics / abilities are that you get from Tome unlocks and if they'd give a significant advantage?
Why shouldnt you be able to complete TOK pve quests when you are done in tier1 ? as far as i understand it is the plan, that you can only be turned into a chicken in the RVR zones? ^^