If you have been following the McCain campaign as I have been, you would have known that Palin was on the short list months ago. She was often mentioned as a possibilty along with Mitt Romney. The choice is a very good one since it re-inforces McCain's maverick image and it strengthens his conservative base. A part that was likely to vote Bob Barr or stay home. Since republicans are less likely to vote simply on party lines. She is the most conservative person on any ticket. This also helps McCain target his actual base, moderates and independants.
When offered a choice between Liberman, Romney, and Palin I think the choice is clear. Voting Liberman would have ended with the first 3rd party candidate to win an election in years as Nader, McCain, and Obama competed for the same voters. It wouldn't have been Romney since McCain doesn't like Romney and Romney swiftboated him in South Carolina. Then there is Palin which really adds to that high integrity image and is new and refreshing. Its also a humurous contrast in experience to Obama who is running for President instead of Vice President. I think delaying the announcement until after the DNC was a good move. If it was announced before hand it may have been played another way, and will still be said to have been a pandering move.
I didn't think the acceptance speech was all that great, but I didn't think any of the speeches today were good. Yesterday's speeches got you pumped up, today's speeches were more of former presidential candidates preparing for thier next presidential run. When Guiliani was up there I thought he was giving a bad stand up comedy routine. I expect tommorrows acceptance speech to be pretty good. Where Obama was on a greek temple, McCain will be at crowd level and even intermingling in the crowd. It sends a much different message that I value. It also helps echo all his town hall meetings since he became the nominee and how he is constantly listening and answering to the american public. Its a different approach then the scripted speeches and rallies Obama has been giving.
Originally posted by DailyBuzz There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention. Of course there are conservative women, I know a couple myself. They even like what they know about Palin so far, but they are offended by the way she was selected.
Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican.
The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech, it was written by speech writers prior to her nomination, and had to be changed because areas of it were made for a male VP nominee. Apparently a great many Republicans were taken by surprise over Palin's selection, including the speech writers.
Just a note, Palin's selection was made only last week, and announced friday. Since then she has been at the Gulf Coast with McCain, along with other stops, and has been being showcased. It is unrealistic to expect her to handle all the activities of the last week, go back to a hotel room in Miineapolis, and knock out a speech which covers the Republican Party platform in just an evening or two. These speeches take a great deal of time, to cover the salient points using just the right words.
So, quite frankly, considering the circumstances, it is entirely reasonable that she did not write her own speech.
Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Bill Clinton didn't write his. I doubt Obama writes his either.
Last President that I know for a fact wrote his own speeches was Reagan.
I thought Ben Stein wrote Reagans speeches??? Maybe it was Ford.
I just watched Palin's speech and it was the usually neocon predictable babble, nothing inspiring, and too robotic. She sounded mechanical. Too monotone. McCain looked like he could barely keep himself standing, I felt bad for the guy, maybe they all went out to eat at Bob Evans afterward.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Yet its ok for John Edwards to run for president while his wife has cancer? Yeah because she told John to run, it was her choice. He asked told her he wanted to stay with her and not run but she insisted he ran. I dont get your point. Did some one in Palin's family tell her not to run? Or do you think she decided on her own without the families input? What are you talking about, I replied to your statement above about John Edwards wife, not Palin. Get your comprehension strait. As I stated later in my response you have a double standard. The funny part is that your a lefty who are all supposedly in support of woman's rights. The same stuff that is happenening to Sarah Palin happened to Clinton. She is being put down because she is in Obama's way, not because she is not more qualified than him, and is running in the VP spot which to me is really telling. or Nancy Pelosi to be house majority leader when she has 5 kids? LOL I should not answer this but all her kids are adults from what I remember. She was a mother of 5 by 1969 and became chair of the Northern California Democratic party in 1977, so her kids where still young. The fact that her kids are adults now is irrelevent to the argument that it was ok for a woman to be political and have kids as long as she is on the left. Are you saying the father and older kids can't take care of the younger kids? What I am saying is she is to much of a mother to be taking into consideration of the biggest office in our government. On GB she even said her kids come first. People do not want a mother in the white house, people want all the attention put forth on what is at stake and no spin coming from family matters. This was said on major news channels, not just me saying it. Besides that my point was not about her getting into other political offices prior to this. Nonsense, I would be fine with a woman in the White House, I'm sure a lot of people don't care about sex or obviously race since Obama has gotten as far as he has. I don't pretend to speak for everyone though. I think shes already proven that she can handle both responsibilities. She has more executive experience than anyone on both tickets. Look at the records. Simple choices? Lol, are you serious? Simple choices meaning nothing majorly hard has ever crossed her desk or executed decisions where something big was at stake. Did she ever propose anything that a normal citizin could of proposed by just writing to your local congressman. I don't understand what you mean by something majorly hard, you mean like a budget? Or choices in an emergency or what? She's made lots of decisions that affected the entire state. Thats the difference, she is an executive, meaning she makes the choices and is responsible for them. She can't hide behind a comittee, its just her. Unlike a Senator. Yes exactly what I mean, show me what shes done that had a major impact on the people there if she did not do the correct thing. Most of those decisions have already been stated by CNN as inpertanant to the new role which she has now. Again, the executive branch is about decision making,and being responsible decisions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Palin Not entrely accurate, but close enough for this particular point. She has a biography also, if you really care. Having an 80% approval rating in Alaska is enough for me to think she can represent most Americans, despite what you think of her views. Were I think Obama very obviously represents the left. But she is not running for President, she will be following John McCain's agenda as VP. Having 80% approval rating in a state that is mostly religious based and not being very populated. Out of the 80% approval what was that total number, ohh yeah 12k people. Not everyone fills out a stupid poll or votes. So you know they approve of her because of relgion? Kind of doubt it. Do you even know her religous totering political views? People who are inheritantly religous will vote and support for a candidate who shares their religous view points. I do, but her religious views are not the point,please tay on topic. The point is the 80% approval rating. You can't say that all religous people stick together, the only way you can argue that is if they had that data in the poll, which they do not from what I've seen. To the point of her religous views, I have to admire somone who sticks to their faith under pressure vs throwing their pastor under the bus ala Obama. And in case you are wondering, I am not religious, but I know plenty of reliigous people, some for and some against her. At least they where against her until last night. I think she only mentioned religion in kind of mocking the religous fervor around some Obama supporters (not you obviously).
I have to think all the 'rock star' type of attention she is getting is what is really pissing the left off. I mean McCain essentially took Obama's best feature away from him with this pick. Now he's going on O'Rielly tomorrow, can't wait to see that one. One of his supporters found that out this morning and was visibly shaken. No, what is pissing off the majority of us is Mccain picked a VP out of thin air, he never knew her until the day he decided to seek her by influences other than his own. Agreeing to accept someone into his VP pool that he knew nothing about prior to seems to be a lack in judgement. And how unexperienced the choice was. Quick decisions like this could go very wrong. We know why he did it for the most part to try and pull Hillary supporters who might find Obama unatractive after all the crap that happened when she lost and didn't get picked as a VP. This is what they are trying for and it is a sorry attempt at political pandering. He had mentioned her as being on the list of picks in February. Do you actually believe he didn't know anythng about her before he made that choice? Come on. He even knew about all the "scandals" a few days before the choice. A problem the left wing media has is that they didn't know until the announcement. Again with the experience, you mean she doesn't have experience in Washington? Thats probably a good thing. She has more executive experience than anyone else on both tickets. It wasn't just to pull in Hillary supporters though that is one of the effects. Nope, I think theres a new rock star. Who was he pandering to? The right? Unless he suddenly took back all he's every said about the right you mean CNN has said Mccain did not know anything about her till the few days before she was chosen, how many days I don't know exactly but I heard as little as 3. He had her on his list so what, he didn't have a clue about her till right up when she got picked. That is what matters. Let me ask you a question, did you hear that from the mouth of McCain or somone in his party? or a CNN news reporter? CNN has been reporting left wing blog rumors. Kind of requires some brackground research but you don't seem interested so I won't point you in the right direction. Total nonsense that he didn't have a clue about her, you obviously gave my response as much attention as Palin's speech. Uniting the party
Im not even going to bother to post to this anymore, because it is going way to off track. For one your repost to some of the things I posted was directly opposite of what you had originally discussed. Such as Edwards above, of which I posted to what you said and there was nothing mentioned about Palin there from you. So whatever man the way I see it Palin is not the right choice like everyone else has said even her own people have said not a good move by Mccain.
Not surprising that when the conversaion gets deep you decide to back out. Dig deep into the "facts" presented to you by the major news networks and you'll be able to make a more informaed decision. Point out where I contradicted myself? I think you need to read what I have posted. I'm honestly not used to arguing having to spell everything out like this. The everyone you include is everyone that is in support of Obama. Who in Palin's camp said it was not a good idea? And was it before or after the pick? If you are going to try to make an argument it helps to know the other side, at least a little, even if it scares you. Like FDR said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. She may not be perfect, no one is. I think shes a good choice and made a great speech last night. Interested to see how she moves forward.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist!
I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
It is always the same. If you call a spade a spade you are a racist. It is not inappropriate to call it how it is regardless of who’s feelings may get hurt. The traditional black family has been destroyed by the liberal policies set forth by alienating and belittling the black community. According the political establishment they will never be the equivalent to the white community. The black community as a whole allows for them selves to be labeled inferior. It is not a generalization but truth. If you choose to be closed minded for fear of being called a so called racist so be it. Other should not.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist! I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
Having a debate with a Liberal is like talking to a preschooler. If they don't like what you are saying they will put their fingers in their ears and yell out "Racist, Sexist, Bigot, Homophobe, etc". That is always what Liberals fall to when their position is threatened by logic or fact.
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Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist!
Not if it is statistically factual. However, if you check the part of the post that I highlighted in yellow, you state, "I say they see all blacks in one party, so that is the party they think represents them" (emphasis added). Thus, you are not citing anything other than your opinion. And your opinion is that blacks as a race are unable to think as individuals.
I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
And, in response, I stated there were exactly 25 black delegates at the Republican convention. I also went on to state that there are currently no black Republican Governors, Lt Governors, Senators, or Congressman currently serving, as well as adding that Sarah Palin did not write her own speech. These are facts.
Thus, DailyBuzz's statement regarding not seeing a single black conservative did not get a free pass.
When someone makes a racially insensitive statement, like Joe Biden's that Obama was a credit to his race, they get called out for a racially insensitive remark. At that point they have a choice, accept the fact they made a racially insensitive remark and try to avoid it in the future, or to remain in denial that the remark was racially insensitive. You chose the latter.
Personally, I don't want to silence you Vemoi, I want you to continue to run off at the mouth with racially insensitive remarks, as you continues to defend your initial racially insensitive remark. It shows you for exactly what you are.
Originally posted by olddaddy Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican. The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist!
Not if it is statistically factual. However, if you check the part of the post that I highlighted in yellow, you state, "I say they see all blacks in one party, so that is the party they think represents them" (emphasis added). Thus, you are not citing anything other than your opinion. And your opinion is that blacks as a race are unable to think as individuals.
I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
And, in response, I stated there were exactly 25 black delegates at the Republican convention. I also went on to state that there are currently no black Republican Governors, Lt Governors, Senators, or Congressman currently serving, as well as adding that Sarah Palin did not write her own speech. These are facts.
Thus, DailyBuzz's statement regarding not seeing a single black conservative did not get a free pass.
When someone makes a racially insensitive statement, like Joe Biden's that Obama was a credit to his race, they get called out for a racially insensitive remark. At that point they have a choice, accept the fact they made a racially insensitive remark and try to avoid it in the future, or to remain in denial that the remark was racially insensitive. You chose the latter.
Personally, I don't want to silence you Vemoi, I want you to continue to run off at the mouth with racially insensitive remarks, as you continues to defend your initial racially insensitive remark. It shows you for exactly what you are.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist! I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
Having a debate with a Liberal is like talking to a preschooler. If they don't like what you are saying they will put their fingers in their ears and yell out "Racist, Sexist, Bigot, Homophobe, etc". That is always what Liberals fall to when their position is threatened by logic or fact.
An interesting position Cabe2323, considering the last discussion of mine you jumped in on was that part of my post discussing whether Sarah Palin wrote her own speech. I stated that it was not unusual that she didn't, you concurred, and stated that the last President that you believe wrote his own speech was Ronald Reagan.
If you review that exchange, you will see it started off by my not giving a free pass to DailyBuzz's remark about there not being black Republicans. Yet you now flip flop and come down agreeing with Vemoi that I gave DailyBuzz a pass on his remark.
Basically, you are just defending a hopeless position in which Vemoi started of his generalization of black behaviour by saying "I say". Vemoi stated a personal viewpoint that is racially insensitive. His continued defense of that position addressing why other races do not have to deal with this starts off by stating that now I know what he means. Yes, I do know what he means. he means to apply racial stereotypes to black voters by implying they are incapable of thinking for themselves.
Are you are trying to buy into a piece of Vemoi's racial stereotyping?
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If you have been following the McCain campaign as I have been, you would have known that Palin was on the short list months ago. She was often mentioned as a possibilty along with Mitt Romney. The choice is a very good one since it re-inforces McCain's maverick image and it strengthens his conservative base. A part that was likely to vote Bob Barr or stay home. Since republicans are less likely to vote simply on party lines. She is the most conservative person on any ticket. This also helps McCain target his actual base, moderates and independants.
When offered a choice between Liberman, Romney, and Palin I think the choice is clear. Voting Liberman would have ended with the first 3rd party candidate to win an election in years as Nader, McCain, and Obama competed for the same voters. It wouldn't have been Romney since McCain doesn't like Romney and Romney swiftboated him in South Carolina. Then there is Palin which really adds to that high integrity image and is new and refreshing. Its also a humurous contrast in experience to Obama who is running for President instead of Vice President. I think delaying the announcement until after the DNC was a good move. If it was announced before hand it may have been played another way, and will still be said to have been a pandering move.
I didn't think the acceptance speech was all that great, but I didn't think any of the speeches today were good. Yesterday's speeches got you pumped up, today's speeches were more of former presidential candidates preparing for thier next presidential run. When Guiliani was up there I thought he was giving a bad stand up comedy routine. I expect tommorrows acceptance speech to be pretty good. Where Obama was on a greek temple, McCain will be at crowd level and even intermingling in the crowd. It sends a much different message that I value. It also helps echo all his town hall meetings since he became the nominee and how he is constantly listening and answering to the american public. Its a different approach then the scripted speeches and rallies Obama has been giving.
Yes, there are exactly 24 black Republicans at the convention. I believe one of them was selected to give a speech in order to showcase blacks that are also Republican.
The Republican party currently has zero black Governors, zero black Lt Governors, zero black Senators, and zero black Congressman. That does not mean that the Republican Party does not try to recruit blacks, only that they are not as successful at recruiting blacks as the Democrats. May have more to do with beliefs, and which party blacks identify with.
Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech, it was written by speech writers prior to her nomination, and had to be changed because areas of it were made for a male VP nominee. Apparently a great many Republicans were taken by surprise over Palin's selection, including the speech writers.
Just a note, Palin's selection was made only last week, and announced friday. Since then she has been at the Gulf Coast with McCain, along with other stops, and has been being showcased. It is unrealistic to expect her to handle all the activities of the last week, go back to a hotel room in Miineapolis, and knock out a speech which covers the Republican Party platform in just an evening or two. These speeches take a great deal of time, to cover the salient points using just the right words.
So, quite frankly, considering the circumstances, it is entirely reasonable that she did not write her own speech.
Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech,
Does Barry write his own speeches?
Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech,
Does Barry write his own speeches?
Bill Clinton didn't write his. I doubt Obama writes his either.
Last President that I know for a fact wrote his own speeches was Reagan.
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Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech,
Does Barry write his own speeches?
Bill Clinton didn't write his. I doubt Obama writes his either.
Last President that I know for a fact wrote his own speeches was Reagan.
Even Reagan didn't write his own speeches. He went over them and made changes, but he didn't write the speech. No president writes their own speeches.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech,
Does Barry write his own speeches?
Bill Clinton didn't write his. I doubt Obama writes his either.
Last President that I know for a fact wrote his own speeches was Reagan.
I thought Ben Stein wrote Reagans speeches??? Maybe it was Ford.
I just watched Palin's speech and it was the usually neocon predictable babble, nothing inspiring, and too robotic. She sounded mechanical. Too monotone. McCain looked like he could barely keep himself standing, I felt bad for the guy, maybe they all went out to eat at Bob Evans afterward.
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Sarah Palin also did not write her own speech,
Does Barry write his own speeches?
Bill Clinton didn't write his. I doubt Obama writes his either.
Last President that I know for a fact wrote his own speeches was Reagan.
I thought Ben Stein wrote Reagans speeches???
They have several I think. Peggy Noonan was one of Reagans. Not sure on Ben.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Im not even going to bother to post to this anymore, because it is going way to off track. For one your repost to some of the things I posted was directly opposite of what you had originally discussed. Such as Edwards above, of which I posted to what you said and there was nothing mentioned about Palin there from you. So whatever man the way I see it Palin is not the right choice like everyone else has said even her own people have said not a good move by Mccain.
Not surprising that when the conversaion gets deep you decide to back out. Dig deep into the "facts" presented to you by the major news networks and you'll be able to make a more informaed decision. Point out where I contradicted myself? I think you need to read what I have posted. I'm honestly not used to arguing having to spell everything out like this. The everyone you include is everyone that is in support of Obama. Who in Palin's camp said it was not a good idea? And was it before or after the pick? If you are going to try to make an argument it helps to know the other side, at least a little, even if it scares you. Like FDR said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. She may not be perfect, no one is. I think shes a good choice and made a great speech last night. Interested to see how she moves forward.
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I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
Is this truth or just inflamitory distortion? "If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!" http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20080902_Fatimah_Ali__We_need_Obama__not_4_more_years_of_George_Bush.html
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist!
I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
It is always the same. If you call a spade a spade you are a racist. It is not inappropriate to call it how it is regardless of who’s feelings may get hurt. The traditional black family has been destroyed by the liberal policies set forth by alienating and belittling the black community. According the political establishment they will never be the equivalent to the white community. The black community as a whole allows for them selves to be labeled inferior. It is not a generalization but truth. If you choose to be closed minded for fear of being called a so called racist so be it. Other should not.
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I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist!
Not if it is statistically factual. However, if you check the part of the post that I highlighted in yellow, you state, "I say they see all blacks in one party, so that is the party they think represents them" (emphasis added). Thus, you are not citing anything other than your opinion. And your opinion is that blacks as a race are unable to think as individuals.
I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
And, in response, I stated there were exactly 25 black delegates at the Republican convention. I also went on to state that there are currently no black Republican Governors, Lt Governors, Senators, or Congressman currently serving, as well as adding that Sarah Palin did not write her own speech. These are facts.
Thus, DailyBuzz's statement regarding not seeing a single black conservative did not get a free pass.
When someone makes a racially insensitive statement, like Joe Biden's that Obama was a credit to his race, they get called out for a racially insensitive remark. At that point they have a choice, accept the fact they made a racially insensitive remark and try to avoid it in the future, or to remain in denial that the remark was racially insensitive. You chose the latter.
Personally, I don't want to silence you Vemoi, I want you to continue to run off at the mouth with racially insensitive remarks, as you continues to defend your initial racially insensitive remark. It shows you for exactly what you are.
I always like your post though I rarely aggree. You say blacks go to the party they identify with. I say they see all blacks in one party so that is the party they think represents them. The media constantly enforces this. Try watching BET. Might as well be Black Liberal Entertainment Channel. If I were black, I would have a hard time going aginst the flow.
Try reading Tom Sowell, about how liberal ideas and policies have hurt the black family and not at all helped.
http://www.tsowell.com/
Well, once again we have to disagree then. Blacks think the Democratic party represents them because it does much more effectively then the Republican party. Your approach is to represent blacks as naive voters, that are having the wool pulled over their eyes by the Democratic party. That rather than blindly following the crowd, blacks should wake up and see that the Republican party should be their party.
I doubt that most black voters see it that way. That may be a better reason they are Democrats.
Once again I say read some of Sowells writing, which I doubt you will. The black family was doing better, even under the oppression of Jim Crow laws, until the 60s when liberal policies started being implemented. These days broken familes, hugh school drop out rates, single mothers are the norm and the liberals never answer for anything. Just keep saying they need more time, or more money, or more laws and so on. You can read it on these threads, people are afraid of family values?! Not afraid of tyrany though.
Read my response again. It has nothing to do with the political arguements you are presenting about Sowell, and blacks chosing political parties. It addresses only how blacks perceive which party represents them. Your arguement is that they are Democrats because all they see are other blacks as Democrats. Your arguement treats them as naive, as a class, and is, quite frankly, a racist generalization.
My statement is that most black voters don't see it your way. That may be a better reason why they are Democrats. What part of that do you fail to understand?
By the way, I am familiar with Sowells writings, Surprising to you, so are many black voters.
My argument is they are personally destroyed if the come out as a conservative.
How?
Are Whites personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are American Indians personally destroyed if they "com out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Hispanics personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
Are Asians personally destroyed if they "come out" as liberal? As conservative?
How is a certain ethnic group destroyed if they "come out", yet other ethnic groups are not?
Exactly what are you saying about the black community that transcends other ethnic groups?
Exactly, you are starting to see it. All the ones you point out above are much more politcally diversified. Blacks overwelmingly vote democrat. They are tought from kindergarden to graduate school and allmost the entire media that the democrats are their party. I stand by my views. The left will do absolutly anything to stop blacks from turning republican. The Democratic party would fade into a powerless party without the black, and to a lesser extent, womens vote. If you say anything about it you are called racist, like you just did. You don't think that is a statesment to try and silence my views.
I didn't try to silence your views, I simply point out how your making a generalization of one ethnic goup to differentiate them for the general population is a racist view. I call it the way I see it, your statement is indeed racist.
The irony is that you want the freedom to make generalizations based on race, without anyone telling you that you that it is inappropriate to generalize based on race. Thus, you want the freedom to be a racist, without any of the feedback that goes with being a racist.
You want to be able to tear into a racial group and cry for safe haven after doing it.
You know, it is just impossible to have any converstion with a leftest. To point out blacks vote nearly 90% democrate is racist!
Not if it is statistically factual. However, if you check the part of the post that I highlighted in yellow, you state, "I say they see all blacks in one party, so that is the party they think represents them" (emphasis added). Thus, you are not citing anything other than your opinion. And your opinion is that blacks as a race are unable to think as individuals.
I see plenty of generalizing on these forums including religion, whites, military and never seen you come out saying that was wrong. Bring blacks into any debate and you are racist. How about this statement...Originally posted by DailyBuzz
There are black conservatives? I didn't see a single one in that sea of white people at the convention.
And, in response, I stated there were exactly 25 black delegates at the Republican convention. I also went on to state that there are currently no black Republican Governors, Lt Governors, Senators, or Congressman currently serving, as well as adding that Sarah Palin did not write her own speech. These are facts.
Thus, DailyBuzz's statement regarding not seeing a single black conservative did not get a free pass.
When someone makes a racially insensitive statement, like Joe Biden's that Obama was a credit to his race, they get called out for a racially insensitive remark. At that point they have a choice, accept the fact they made a racially insensitive remark and try to avoid it in the future, or to remain in denial that the remark was racially insensitive. You chose the latter.
Personally, I don't want to silence you Vemoi, I want you to continue to run off at the mouth with racially insensitive remarks, as you continues to defend your initial racially insensitive remark. It shows you for exactly what you are.
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Having a debate with a Liberal is like talking to a preschooler. If they don't like what you are saying they will put their fingers in their ears and yell out "Racist, Sexist, Bigot, Homophobe, etc". That is always what Liberals fall to when their position is threatened by logic or fact.
An interesting position Cabe2323, considering the last discussion of mine you jumped in on was that part of my post discussing whether Sarah Palin wrote her own speech. I stated that it was not unusual that she didn't, you concurred, and stated that the last President that you believe wrote his own speech was Ronald Reagan.
If you review that exchange, you will see it started off by my not giving a free pass to DailyBuzz's remark about there not being black Republicans. Yet you now flip flop and come down agreeing with Vemoi that I gave DailyBuzz a pass on his remark.
Basically, you are just defending a hopeless position in which Vemoi started of his generalization of black behaviour by saying "I say". Vemoi stated a personal viewpoint that is racially insensitive. His continued defense of that position addressing why other races do not have to deal with this starts off by stating that now I know what he means. Yes, I do know what he means. he means to apply racial stereotypes to black voters by implying they are incapable of thinking for themselves.
Are you are trying to buy into a piece of Vemoi's racial stereotyping?
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My font is a color that stands out, and symbolizes inclusion of Asians.
Your font is racist against all peoples of color, it excludes them.