Can't say if it has changed or not, but I know that in PW as a (chosen) chicken I had 150 hp and pecked for 4 damage normally, and yes you do appear to be able to crit with it. A guildmate of mine got chickened as a sorcerer and also had 150 hp so I'm going to guess it's not class dependent.
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What would be really cool is if they turned you into chickens on steroids that could still complete some of the lower content, but would be easily defeated by non-chickens.
Maybe code that would adjust their power depending on their adversary or something.
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Are you ready for the next challenge in RvR? Do you love the adrenaline rush of always having to look behind your back for the enemy? If so, then we welcome you to Open RvR, where you will either shine or falter in a constant battle for glory! Battle your enemies outside of the RvR lakes and affect the fate of your realm! Your Chapter 1 hub and your capital city are the only locations in the game where you have safe confines, of course that is until your city becomes under attack. Rules:
Players are always RvR flagged from the moment they log in
Chapter 1 hubs and capital cities are safe
There is no bolster buff in RvR lakes
Players will be chickened when entering lower tiers of content ---------------------------------------------------------- My Opinion, I had planned on playing the "open" ruleset, but I'm disspointed to see chicken remains in the game for "open" servers. This is not because I enjoy ganking lowbies, but I don't want to be chickenized for just zoning into a lower tier area to do content I missed with my avatar. As you can see from the rules "players are always RVR flagged from the moment they log in" and "Players will be chickened when entering lower tiers of content." The rules cover nothing about actually being in combat first. This is most disappointing as I do like both content and RVR. I will now stick to "core" ruleset server. However, just my opinion on the matter, what the hell do I know.
I had this exact issue with it in beta all along. I was legitimently trying to cap out influence in those zones as I flew past them leveling up that I had to go back to progress my story. I wish there was an easy way for them to fix it but it is tough in a PvP world. They don't want to allow ganking...cool! Just find a way for me to quest their, if I make the first attack, fine im chickened but if I don't attack leave me unflagged.
This is how the game works on "core" servers. You can be level 40 and go back to tier 1 to do quests if that really floats your boat. As soon as you become flagged, however, you are chickened. If you want the threat of rvr at any time then just stay flagged when you log in, except of course when you go to a lowbie area to do a quest and the like
Are you ready for the next challenge in RvR? Do you love the adrenaline rush of always having to look behind your back for the enemy? If so, then we welcome you to Open RvR, where you will either shine or falter in a constant battle for glory! Battle your enemies outside of the RvR lakes and affect the fate of your realm! Your Chapter 1 hub and your capital city are the only locations in the game where you have safe confines, of course that is until your city becomes under attack. Rules:
Players are always RvR flagged from the moment they log in
Chapter 1 hubs and capital cities are safe
There is no bolster buff in RvR lakes
Players will be chickened when entering lower tiers of content ---------------------------------------------------------- My Opinion, I had planned on playing the "open" ruleset, but I'm disspointed to see chicken remains in the game for "open" servers. This is not because I enjoy ganking lowbies, but I don't want to be chickenized for just zoning into a lower tier areas to do content I missed with my avatar. As you can see from the rules "players are always RVR flagged from the moment they log in" and "Players will be chickened when entering lower tiers of content." The rules cover nothing about actually being in combat first. This is most disappointing as I do like both content and RVR. I will now stick to "core" ruleset server. However, just my opinion on the matter, what the hell do I know.
So your upset because chicken is still on and you can't farm some lvl2 players as 38?
It's noobs like you whining on forums that make PVP so fun in MMO's.....
Greifing new players/low level is not respectable at all.
Just to think some of you gen x and Y'ers are anarchists to, I bet your all sissys IRL.
So your upset because chicken is still on and you can't farm some lvl2 players as 38?
It's noobs like you whining on forums that make PVP so fun in MMO's..... Greifing new players/low level is not respectable at all. Just to think some of you gen x and Y'ers are anarchists to, I bet your all sissys IRL.
I love the idea of open RvR but.. This whole chicken idea really takes away the whole 'war' theme they are pushing..
Because, like in War, everyone plays fair am I right? Pffftt..
And to think this is supposed to be the premier PvP mmo coming out in a long time and the majority of posts are from people whinging about ganking and how the chicken idea is wonderful.
Being ganked while leveling just increases the drive for the majority of people to keep leveling! Those that bitch and cry belong on a normal server. I mean it was fine in WoW.. Yes there was ganking, but that gave opportunity for higher level players to come down and help. Very enjoyable to watch for lowbies, seeing their classes pushed to the limit in the upper tiers, giving them something to aim for.
All that aside though, I will still give the game a go.
My 2 cents though.. If open RvR is supposed to be the premier PvP server type, the chicken rule shouldn't be used as this is supposed to be the most hardcore PvP style of play.. You can't deal with that? Go back to a normal server imo.
The chicken rule should stay. higher level players have no business in the lower tiers in an open pvp environment.
I applaud the developers for finally creating a system in which ganking and power leveling are pretty much not a concern.
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My 2 cents though.. If open RvR is supposed to be the premier PvP server type, the chicken rule shouldn't be used as this is supposed to be the most hardcore PvP style of play.. You can't deal with that? Go back to a normal server imo.
The Open RvR ruleset is not the premier server type. The Core ruleset is the premier RvR server type.
In-fact, the core rules were the only ones planned on release in early beta, it's only been in the last few months that Mythic has been working on open RvR rules.
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Chicken rule in oRvR is just lame. I had my inhibitions at first thought about it even being in the game at all but it does serve a purpose. Exposing their entire player base to ganking is silly and certainly not fun for the players on those servers. The problem with the chicken rule in oRvR however has nothing to do with ganking. People generally are attracted to oRvR not because they want to gank noobs but because they want an open feeling world. There's no freedom in a world where you are penalized for being a high level.
I will be playing core if open beta goes well and I purchase the game. Take away the chicken rule and I would probably stay subbed longer and play oRvR.
Open RVR/ FFA server etc = Immature community that drops F bombs every other word. At least, that is my experience. I will play on the core RVR servers and actually enjoy myself.
This is just my opinion but I have had the same experience in every Open PVP type server/ game I have tried.
I do not have time to read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if I reiterate... Just imagine that I'm quoting whoever said this first!
But, it's simple really. Here I have laid out my set of rules that would make an Open Server AWESOME!!!!
!) Make people turn into a chicken IF they try to attack someone 10 levels or more below them IF their attackee is in the correct tier for their level or in a lower tier. The chickening MUST be immediate, with no damage ever done by the higher level. Thus avoiding one shots!
2) Also, make it impossible to buff someone 10 levels lower then you in a lower tier.
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Now, high level characters can easily run around low level content, enjoying missed scenery and tasty secrets, while still being unable to gank or even assist killing the opposing faction. Luckily the concept of realism is left out of this completely, because you can't really justify being turned into a chicken in specific zones, or being turned into a chicken for attacking someone.
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3) Also, to avoid annoying low levels trying to mess with you, make it so your character won't turn into a chicken if the enemy initiated the attack first OR the enemy is a higher tier then they're supposed to be! Really, if they wanna mess with you, they should die!
4) Lastly, attacking or even drawing aggro from an enemy NPC in a lower tier should turn you into a chicken... Followed by a quick death from whatever NPC guard who's attention you attracted. This will avoid people running willy nilly through enemy starting areas just cause they can.
To sum up:
You will be chickened if you attack a player 10 or more levels below you if they are in their correct tier or lower.
You cannot buff players 10 or more levels below you in a lower tier.
You will NOT become a chicken if the enemy player attacks you first or is in a higher tier then they should be.
Immediate chickening will commence upon bothering the opposing faction's guards in a lower tier.
I'm still debating what server to play on. I want to play on open because Its exciting to be exploring an area and having to watch out for Players that might gank ya. But if I want to go back and find stuff or do quests I might have missed before in lower tiers will I always be a chicken cuz I'm RvR flagged all the time?
Also will it be possible to do those missed quests as a chicken?
I'm still debating what server to play on. I want to play on open because Its exciting to be exploring an area and having to watch out for Players that might gank ya. But if I want to go back and find stuff or do quests I might have missed before in lower tiers will I always be a chicken cuz I'm RvR flagged all the time?
Also will it be possible to do those missed quests as a chicken?
Well, if you're a "one character completionist" then I guess that the open ruleset does present a problem. But if you have no trouble with acquiring everything via various alts, then I think you should be fine. I'm a completionist at heart, but I'm always willing to sacrifice that in the name of equal-level open RvR fun, and I can always get everything eventually with different characters. Too bad for the gankers - but I don't give a crap. Very nice move on Mythic's behalf! This game seems better and better with every day passing!
Chickenizing in the lower tier zones is the best idea ever that has come to MMO world. I know many many people that are just going to play WAR because of this reason. People get tired of corpse camped by highest levels that has no business other than griefing. The moment you understand this fact will be the first step to becoming a more mature "real" PvPer.
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Chicken rule ftw. Only people who really whine about it is that they had every intention to gank low levels. Sad really. I get more enjoyment from killing people my level or above.Good move on Mythic's part.
On the core ruleset when you go into a PvE area and are too high of a level do you or do you not become a chicken? I am under the impression you do not and that is the reason why I would play on the core ruleset over the open. I actually LOSE freedom in the "open" set. Now if I am wrong then I'll have to say open is still better even if it isn't optimal.
Here's something that maybe I misunderstood... On the core ruleset when you go into a PvE area and are too high of a level do you or do you not become a chicken? I am under the impression you do not and that is the reason why I would play on the core ruleset over the open. I actually LOSE freedom in the "open" set. Now if I am wrong then I'll have to say open is still better even if it isn't optimal.
You get chickened it seems, so yes you'd lose freedom to roam between the tiers and be capable of anything.
I'm a hardCORE player who isn't afraid to tackle the ToK!!!
The bad side I see about the open server and the chicken is that 75% of the lairs ar in zones that you will be transformed into a chiekn if you are rank 40. The thing is that boss that you find in lairs ar mostly lvl 40 and outlvl the zone by a lot. That mean that when you reach the rank to finnaly kill the lair bosses you wont be able to do them beacause of the chicken debuff.
I don't get it, Open Ruleset provides more PvP freedom then Core Ruleset, yet the people complaining about Open being too restrictive are going to go play on Core? To me, that makes absolutely no sense at all. As for the Chicken status, oh well. After being in beta, I've never cared about missed content as I figured I'd probably make an ALT sooner or later anyways. Chicken status has more pro's than con's so thats why it's implemented. AoC is a prime example of what lawless open PvP is and frankly, new gamers coming into the game after the first month will enjoy WAR more than they would AoC. People claim they won't gank, fine, but that doesn't mean somebody else won't and we don't need gankers, we need people with half a brain that can raid a keep. So, if you have a problem with being a Chicken, than go play AoC or WoW cause I'm tired of powergaming ganking low lifes.
Here's something that maybe I misunderstood... On the core ruleset when you go into a PvE area and are too high of a level do you or do you not become a chicken? I am under the impression you do not and that is the reason why I would play on the core ruleset over the open. I actually LOSE freedom in the "open" set. Now if I am wrong then I'll have to say open is still better even if it isn't optimal.
Core: You can go back to lower-level zones freely. Just don't enter the RvR areas or turn on your PvP flag.
Open: The moment you cross the zone border: "POOF!" Chicken.
The bad side I see about the open server and the chicken is that 75% of the lairs ar in zones that you will be transformed into a chiekn if you are rank 40. The thing is that boss that you find in lairs ar mostly lvl 40 and outlvl the zone by a lot. That mean that when you reach the rank to finnaly kill the lair bosses you wont be able to do them beacause of the chicken debuff.
Well that just doesn't work at all does it lol? Not sure how they will *fix* that..
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This chicken idea seems a bit over the top.
Don't like the idea tbh.
Can't say if it has changed or not, but I know that in PW as a (chosen) chicken I had 150 hp and pecked for 4 damage normally, and yes you do appear to be able to crit with it. A guildmate of mine got chickened as a sorcerer and also had 150 hp so I'm going to guess it's not class dependent.
Tahrqa Leifbow,
Lord Commander of the Argent Order
What would be really cool is if they turned you into chickens on steroids that could still complete some of the lower content, but would be easily defeated by non-chickens.
Maybe code that would adjust their power depending on their adversary or something.
That could be fun!
Well, this new rule set is a solid step in the right direction from my viewpoint. Closest thing we'll probably ever get to a FFA server.
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I had this exact issue with it in beta all along. I was legitimently trying to cap out influence in those zones as I flew past them leveling up that I had to go back to progress my story. I wish there was an easy way for them to fix it but it is tough in a PvP world. They don't want to allow ganking...cool! Just find a way for me to quest their, if I make the first attack, fine im chickened but if I don't attack leave me unflagged.
This is how the game works on "core" servers. You can be level 40 and go back to tier 1 to do quests if that really floats your boat. As soon as you become flagged, however, you are chickened. If you want the threat of rvr at any time then just stay flagged when you log in, except of course when you go to a lowbie area to do a quest and the like
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
You mean like level 11 vs level 3? Or 3+ people vs 1?
oh nice trolling
So your upset because chicken is still on and you can't farm some lvl2 players as 38?
It's noobs like you whining on forums that make PVP so fun in MMO's.....
Greifing new players/low level is not respectable at all.
Just to think some of you gen x and Y'ers are anarchists to, I bet your all sissys IRL.
I love the idea of open RvR but.. This whole chicken idea really takes away the whole 'war' theme they are pushing..
Because, like in War, everyone plays fair am I right? Pffftt..
And to think this is supposed to be the premier PvP mmo coming out in a long time and the majority of posts are from people whinging about ganking and how the chicken idea is wonderful.
Being ganked while leveling just increases the drive for the majority of people to keep leveling! Those that bitch and cry belong on a normal server. I mean it was fine in WoW.. Yes there was ganking, but that gave opportunity for higher level players to come down and help. Very enjoyable to watch for lowbies, seeing their classes pushed to the limit in the upper tiers, giving them something to aim for.
All that aside though, I will still give the game a go.
My 2 cents though.. If open RvR is supposed to be the premier PvP server type, the chicken rule shouldn't be used as this is supposed to be the most hardcore PvP style of play.. You can't deal with that? Go back to a normal server imo.
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The chicken rule should stay. higher level players have no business in the lower tiers in an open pvp environment.
I applaud the developers for finally creating a system in which ganking and power leveling are pretty much not a concern.
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Honestly, when I saw the end of that video I was laughing hard. I for one look forward to many chicken related events.
The Open RvR ruleset is not the premier server type. The Core ruleset is the premier RvR server type.
In-fact, the core rules were the only ones planned on release in early beta, it's only been in the last few months that Mythic has been working on open RvR rules.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Chicken rule in oRvR is just lame. I had my inhibitions at first thought about it even being in the game at all but it does serve a purpose. Exposing their entire player base to ganking is silly and certainly not fun for the players on those servers. The problem with the chicken rule in oRvR however has nothing to do with ganking. People generally are attracted to oRvR not because they want to gank noobs but because they want an open feeling world. There's no freedom in a world where you are penalized for being a high level.
I will be playing core if open beta goes well and I purchase the game. Take away the chicken rule and I would probably stay subbed longer and play oRvR.
Open RVR/ FFA server etc = Immature community that drops F bombs every other word. At least, that is my experience. I will play on the core RVR servers and actually enjoy myself.
This is just my opinion but I have had the same experience in every Open PVP type server/ game I have tried.
I do not have time to read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if I reiterate... Just imagine that I'm quoting whoever said this first!
But, it's simple really. Here I have laid out my set of rules that would make an Open Server AWESOME!!!!
!) Make people turn into a chicken IF they try to attack someone 10 levels or more below them IF their attackee is in the correct tier for their level or in a lower tier. The chickening MUST be immediate, with no damage ever done by the higher level. Thus avoiding one shots!
2) Also, make it impossible to buff someone 10 levels lower then you in a lower tier.
-------------
Now, high level characters can easily run around low level content, enjoying missed scenery and tasty secrets, while still being unable to gank or even assist killing the opposing faction. Luckily the concept of realism is left out of this completely, because you can't really justify being turned into a chicken in specific zones, or being turned into a chicken for attacking someone.
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3) Also, to avoid annoying low levels trying to mess with you, make it so your character won't turn into a chicken if the enemy initiated the attack first OR the enemy is a higher tier then they're supposed to be! Really, if they wanna mess with you, they should die!
4) Lastly, attacking or even drawing aggro from an enemy NPC in a lower tier should turn you into a chicken... Followed by a quick death from whatever NPC guard who's attention you attracted. This will avoid people running willy nilly through enemy starting areas just cause they can.
To sum up:
And that is my solution!
I'm still debating what server to play on. I want to play on open because Its exciting to be exploring an area and having to watch out for Players that might gank ya. But if I want to go back and find stuff or do quests I might have missed before in lower tiers will I always be a chicken cuz I'm RvR flagged all the time?
Also will it be possible to do those missed quests as a chicken?
Well, if you're a "one character completionist" then I guess that the open ruleset does present a problem. But if you have no trouble with acquiring everything via various alts, then I think you should be fine. I'm a completionist at heart, but I'm always willing to sacrifice that in the name of equal-level open RvR fun, and I can always get everything eventually with different characters. Too bad for the gankers - but I don't give a crap.
Very nice move on Mythic's behalf! This game seems better and better with every day passing!
Damn, I've been bought with hype
Chickenizing in the lower tier zones is the best idea ever that has come to MMO world. I know many many people that are just going to play WAR because of this reason. People get tired of corpse camped by highest levels that has no business other than griefing. The moment you understand this fact will be the first step to becoming a more mature "real" PvPer.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Chicken rule ftw. Only people who really whine about it is that they had every intention to gank low levels. Sad really. I get more enjoyment from killing people my level or above.Good move on Mythic's part.
Here's something that maybe I misunderstood...
On the core ruleset when you go into a PvE area and are too high of a level do you or do you not become a chicken? I am under the impression you do not and that is the reason why I would play on the core ruleset over the open. I actually LOSE freedom in the "open" set. Now if I am wrong then I'll have to say open is still better even if it isn't optimal.
You get chickened it seems, so yes you'd lose freedom to roam between the tiers and be capable of anything.
I'm a hardCORE player who isn't afraid to tackle the ToK!!!
The bad side I see about the open server and the chicken is that 75% of the lairs ar in zones that you will be transformed into a chiekn if you are rank 40. The thing is that boss that you find in lairs ar mostly lvl 40 and outlvl the zone by a lot. That mean that when you reach the rank to finnaly kill the lair bosses you wont be able to do them beacause of the chicken debuff.
Core: You can go back to lower-level zones freely. Just don't enter the RvR areas or turn on your PvP flag.
Open: The moment you cross the zone border: "POOF!" Chicken.
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Well that just doesn't work at all does it lol? Not sure how they will *fix* that..
But, they will have to.
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