80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
I don't see what the problem is? If you know how to play you'll work with the skills you have and use them correctly. Personally I like DoT better especially on my archmage because I can set it and forget it while I heal.
Battles are supposed to be just that.... battles, 1 shotting people isn't fun. If you like being 1 shotted so much go to a PQ and play with heros and champions of higher levels.
Your post explains my point about easymode mechanics for noob PVP'rs
What is with you folks and your 1 shot complexity? I did not play WoW and did not gank grays in DAoC. If you are bringing your CSS PUB experiences against the AWP in here ?
How does my post point out easymode Mechanics? If you've actually played the game you'd know to be really good in PVP you actually need skill.
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Prove the 80% you just gave us. Since you KNOW that it is 80%, please, post your calculations, which should consist of the name and description of every spell/ability in game, counted up, then the HoT/DoT spells, added up, then the HoT/DoT spells divided by the total. I find it interesting that it comes out to an even 80%.
Did you know that 56.9534% of all stats are made up!?
I'd be quite happy to look into this if the OP will tell me which class and to what level they have 80% DoTs. I'll even go so far as to do it twice, please give me a DPS class and a Healing class.
Shall we say up to level 16 to be fair seeing as you're only in the Open Beta? 20 perhaps? Up to you.
Do the Marauder and BW. Negative effects without damage does not count.
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
I don't see what the problem is? If you know how to play you'll work with the skills you have and use them correctly. Personally I like DoT better especially on my archmage because I can set it and forget it while I heal.
Battles are supposed to be just that.... battles, 1 shotting people isn't fun. If you like being 1 shotted so much go to a PQ and play with heros and champions of higher levels.
Your post explains my point about easymode mechanics for noob PVP'rs
What is with you folks and your 1 shot complexity? I did not play WoW and did not gank grays in DAoC. If you are bringing your CSS PUB experiences against the AWP in here ?
How does my post point out easymode Mechanics? If you've actually played the game you'd know to be really good in PVP you actually need skill.
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Prove the 80% you just gave us. Since you KNOW that it is 80%, please, post your calculations, which should consist of the name and description of every spell/ability in game, counted up, then the HoT/DoT spells, added up, then the HoT/DoT spells divided by the total. I find it interesting that it comes out to an even 80%.
Did you know that 56.9534% of all stats are made up!?
I'd be quite happy to look into this if the OP will tell me which class and to what level they have 80% DoTs. I'll even go so far as to do it twice, please give me a DPS class and a Healing class.
Shall we say up to level 16 to be fair seeing as you're only in the Open Beta? 20 perhaps? Up to you.
Do the Marauder and BW. Negative effects without damage does not count.
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
why is it all u war trolling use the 80% word exscuse always? This just show u have no idea what ur talking about, have u tried lal the classes and there spells? i think not
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Prove the 80% you just gave us. Since you KNOW that it is 80%, please, post your calculations, which should consist of the name and description of every spell/ability in game, counted up, then the HoT/DoT spells, added up, then the HoT/DoT spells divided by the total. I find it interesting that it comes out to an even 80%.
Did you know that 56.9534% of all stats are made up!?
I'd be quite happy to look into this if the OP will tell me which class and to what level they have 80% DoTs. I'll even go so far as to do it twice, please give me a DPS class and a Healing class.
Shall we say up to level 16 to be fair seeing as you're only in the Open Beta? 20 perhaps? Up to you.
Do the Marauder and BW. Negative effects without damage does not count.
Saying that in WAR most damage comes from dots is just plain untrue.
While it is a fact that battles last quite a bit longer than in WoW I find this just as it should be. Instead of incessant jumping around, ressing till you're blue in the face and seeing who is going to get off that first shot first, WAR offers a much better "solid" feeling experience.
You die quite less often and battles have that epic feel you get from actually outmanoeuvering your opponent both in movement (CC ftw!) and skill use.
I'll never go back to WoW PvP. There is simply no comparison.
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Do you have proof? All classes have a dot, you have your figures turned around. Its about 80% direct damage and 20% dots. I will tell you the same as I tell everyone else that complains. . .if you don't like it don't play it simple as that.
You are wrong. You better go do more research.
I have been playing this game for almost a year now. . .YOU need to do some research. Here you are have fun. . .
80% is DoT,HoT! not gonna even reply to you anymore...
Presented with a link to information contradicting his claims, Shard101 pulls out the "I Can't Win This Argument But Will Not Admit I Was Wrong" card...
Quickly jamming his fingers in his ears, he manically repeats "Can't hear you!!! lalalalalalalala!!"
Ignorance is indeed bliss
See, that's the problem with throwing out unsupported, arbitrary figures like "80%"... How did you come to that figure? Have you tried all classes? Have you obtained all skills? Have you researched said classes and skills?
For me, my Witch Hunter is almost completely direct damage so far.
My Squig Herder was pretty much all direct damage as well.
I guess I'm part of that 20%?
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
The op was basically claiming that all you did was DoT the other players and run away. Thus the claim that 80% of abilities are DoTs and 20% direct damage.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
Because there are some people who can't, or won't even try to see the big picture.
They take very limited experience with a small percentage of the game, find it's not living up to their personal and very specific expectations "right now", and then assume the "entire game" must be like that and therefor sucks; it's aimed at "n00bs" and so forth.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
Because there are some people who can't, or won't even try to see the big picture.
They take very limited experience with a small percentage of the game, find it's not living up to their personal and very specific expectations "right now", and then assume the "entire game" must be like that and therefor sucks; it's aimed at "n00bs" and so forth.
Welcome to what I've dealt with for a few months , I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about.
I've got to admit at least over there people used legitimate concerns 80% (no pun intended ) of the time.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
The op was basically claiming that all you did was DoT the other players and run away. Thus the claim that 80% of abilities are DoTs and 20% direct damage.
So they're confusing how the game distributes skills with how the players choose to use them.
Heh that's not new either, unfortunately. People seem to assume the way they play, or they see others play, is exactly how the game was designed to be played. They don't realize there are other options.
To illustrate: In FFXI, there's this one area everyone goes to level in their teens. It's not the only place you can go and, in fact, in the first couple years the game was out, people didn't all only go there. It was the whole "everyone else goes there, so that's where you're supposed to go". One day, I was online, leveling out there and someone in my party says "I'd love to know what person thought making the Dunes the only place you can level from 10-20 was a good idea".
I said, "It's not the only place you can level... There are a few other spots that used to get more traffic; no one uses them anymore"
This person told me to "stfu" and "learn to play". The irony is I'd been playing since the NA PC launch and had leveled in those other areas... This person was brand-new to the game and thought they knew it all (another common phenomenon: The "know-it-all newbie")
Anyway... yeah. You'll find that anywhere.
"If it's how I play, then it must be how the designers intended it"
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I honestly think it takes a lot more skill to put DoTs on numerous people and to keep them going, whether it be heals or damage. If you do 100% pure damage/heal, you just keep hitting the same button (as one spell will obviously be superior in whatever situation you are in) on the same target until they die or until they are healed. It takes speed and skill to keep up 5 10 second DoTs on people without them running out. You don't just put 1 DoT on someone and run away and they die, if you played WAR you'd know that.
He's just a Maurauder and wants to take 1/4 of their life away every hit to feel "really powerful". We all like that powerful feeling now and then, but it gets old much faster than keeping DoTs up and wearing people down with skill.
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
Because there are some people who can't, or won't even try to see the big picture.
They take very limited experience with a small percentage of the game, find it's not living up to their personal and very specific expectations "right now", and then assume the "entire game" must be like that and therefor sucks; it's aimed at "n00bs" and so forth.
Welcome to what I've dealt with for a few months , I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about.
I've got to admit at least over there people used legitimate concerns 80% (no pun intended ) of the time.
Hmm... I'm guessing you must be referring to the AoC forums? I'm not aware of anything like that happening in Eve's community really.
Also notice you were on Bloodfin... You remember New Republic from there? I was in their EQ2 guild for a time :-p.
Anyways... back on topic...
Yeah, I can't help but shake my head at the knee-jerk reactions people will have to a game within only days of playing it. They've seen only a fraction of it, yet feel they've got the entire game nailed down.
Mind you, this isn't regarding whether they like the game or not (since I know that's a similar, but different, debate that happens - the whole "how long must you play a game before you can credibly form an opinion of it" thing)...
I'm referring to how people seem to forget that the entire game, every nuance and feature of it, isn't laid before their feet as soon as they start - nor even in the first 20-30 levels - and that most MMOs start off "slow" and "simple" and then build as you progress.
Level 1 does not provide a snapshot of what it will be like at Level 10, 30, 50, etc...
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Comments
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
I don't see what the problem is? If you know how to play you'll work with the skills you have and use them correctly. Personally I like DoT better especially on my archmage because I can set it and forget it while I heal.
Battles are supposed to be just that.... battles, 1 shotting people isn't fun. If you like being 1 shotted so much go to a PQ and play with heros and champions of higher levels.
Your post explains my point about easymode mechanics for noob PVP'rs
What is with you folks and your 1 shot complexity? I did not play WoW and did not gank grays in DAoC. If you are bringing your CSS PUB experiences against the AWP in here ?
How does my post point out easymode Mechanics? If you've actually played the game you'd know to be really good in PVP you actually need skill.
Offtopic
Shard, please try to avoid the word "noob". It might sound cool on the schoolyard, but many of us left this place 2-3 days ago.
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Prove the 80% you just gave us. Since you KNOW that it is 80%, please, post your calculations, which should consist of the name and description of every spell/ability in game, counted up, then the HoT/DoT spells, added up, then the HoT/DoT spells divided by the total. I find it interesting that it comes out to an even 80%.
Did you know that 56.9534% of all stats are made up!?
I'd be quite happy to look into this if the OP will tell me which class and to what level they have 80% DoTs. I'll even go so far as to do it twice, please give me a DPS class and a Healing class.
Shall we say up to level 16 to be fair seeing as you're only in the Open Beta? 20 perhaps? Up to you.
Do the Marauder and BW. Negative effects without damage does not count.
(Damage)
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
I don't see what the problem is? If you know how to play you'll work with the skills you have and use them correctly. Personally I like DoT better especially on my archmage because I can set it and forget it while I heal.
Battles are supposed to be just that.... battles, 1 shotting people isn't fun. If you like being 1 shotted so much go to a PQ and play with heros and champions of higher levels.
Your post explains my point about easymode mechanics for noob PVP'rs
What is with you folks and your 1 shot complexity? I did not play WoW and did not gank grays in DAoC. If you are bringing your CSS PUB experiences against the AWP in here ?
How does my post point out easymode Mechanics? If you've actually played the game you'd know to be really good in PVP you actually need skill.
I am good. marauder with over 2,500 crits.
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Prove the 80% you just gave us. Since you KNOW that it is 80%, please, post your calculations, which should consist of the name and description of every spell/ability in game, counted up, then the HoT/DoT spells, added up, then the HoT/DoT spells divided by the total. I find it interesting that it comes out to an even 80%.
Did you know that 56.9534% of all stats are made up!?
I'd be quite happy to look into this if the OP will tell me which class and to what level they have 80% DoTs. I'll even go so far as to do it twice, please give me a DPS class and a Healing class.
Shall we say up to level 16 to be fair seeing as you're only in the Open Beta? 20 perhaps? Up to you.
Do the Marauder and BW. Negative effects without damage does not count.
(Damage)
And to which level?
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
why is it all u war trolling use the 80% word exscuse always? This just show u have no idea what ur talking about, have u tried lal the classes and there spells? i think not
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Prove the 80% you just gave us. Since you KNOW that it is 80%, please, post your calculations, which should consist of the name and description of every spell/ability in game, counted up, then the HoT/DoT spells, added up, then the HoT/DoT spells divided by the total. I find it interesting that it comes out to an even 80%.
Did you know that 56.9534% of all stats are made up!?
I'd be quite happy to look into this if the OP will tell me which class and to what level they have 80% DoTs. I'll even go so far as to do it twice, please give me a DPS class and a Healing class.
Shall we say up to level 16 to be fair seeing as you're only in the Open Beta? 20 perhaps? Up to you.
Do the Marauder and BW. Negative effects without damage does not count.
(Damage)
And to which level?
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Only 41% off, pretty close yeah........
Only 41% off, pretty close yeah........
I sense an angry reply coming any minute now. . ._______
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You wouldn't understand
Only 41% off, pretty close yeah........
I sense an angry reply coming any minute now. . .Maybe the OP can no longer type a reply after beating seven bells of shit out of his keyboard.
*waits*
For the record, here's Bright Wizard which was also requested:
Ignite 549 Damage (DOT)
Fireball 600 Damage (DIRECT)
Meltdown 37-375 Damage (DIRECT)
Sear 337 Damage (DIRECT)
Scorched Earth 150 Damage (DIRECT)
Boiling Blood 655 Damage (DOT)
Fiery Blast 374 Damage (DIRECT)
Pyroclastic Surge 348 Damage (DIRECT)
Detonate 187 Damage (DIRECT) + 744 Damage (DOT)
Flame Breath 600 Damage (DOT)
Funnel Power adds 112 damage to all direct damage spells
Annihilate 225 damage/sec (DOT) (hurts caster also)
Burning Iron 187 Damage (DIRECT)
Nova 412 Damage (DIRECT)
Withering Heat up to 1596 damage (DOT?)
Spreading Flames 505 damage (DOT)
So, 43% DOT. Not quite 80%, but yer math dun purty gud.
lol nicely done, I figured after I'd finished the Marauder the point was proven so I didn't continue.
This just drives the point home.
direct to OP:
Saying that in WAR most damage comes from dots is just plain untrue.
While it is a fact that battles last quite a bit longer than in WoW I find this just as it should be. Instead of incessant jumping around, ressing till you're blue in the face and seeing who is going to get off that first shot first, WAR offers a much better "solid" feeling experience.
You die quite less often and battles have that epic feel you get from actually outmanoeuvering your opponent both in movement (CC ftw!) and skill use.
I'll never go back to WoW PvP. There is simply no comparison.
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
Do you have proof? All classes have a dot, you have your figures turned around. Its about 80% direct damage and 20% dots. I will tell you the same as I tell everyone else that complains. . .if you don't like it don't play it simple as that.
You are wrong. You better go do more research.
I have been playing this game for almost a year now. . .YOU need to do some research. Here you are have fun. . .
www.wardb.com80% is DoT,HoT! not gonna even reply to you anymore...
Presented with a link to information contradicting his claims, Shard101 pulls out the "I Can't Win This Argument But Will Not Admit I Was Wrong" card...
Quickly jamming his fingers in his ears, he manically repeats "Can't hear you!!! lalalalalalalala!!"
Ignorance is indeed bliss
See, that's the problem with throwing out unsupported, arbitrary figures like "80%"... How did you come to that figure? Have you tried all classes? Have you obtained all skills? Have you researched said classes and skills?
For me, my Witch Hunter is almost completely direct damage so far.
My Squig Herder was pretty much all direct damage as well.
I guess I'm part of that 20%?
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Haha 39-41% != 80%. I don't even remember why we were arguing about this anyway? DoT's and DD are a part of almost every MMO. DoT's add more multi target strategies, and more strategic elements to just DD attacks. I feel like the OP's post might have the opposite effect, but anyway nice, very nice.
The op was basically claiming that all you did was DoT the other players and run away. Thus the claim that 80% of abilities are DoTs and 20% direct damage.
_______
|___
\_______/
=
|X| \*........*/ |X|
|X|_________|X|
You wouldn't understand
Because there are some people who can't, or won't even try to see the big picture.
They take very limited experience with a small percentage of the game, find it's not living up to their personal and very specific expectations "right now", and then assume the "entire game" must be like that and therefor sucks; it's aimed at "n00bs" and so forth.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Because there are some people who can't, or won't even try to see the big picture.
They take very limited experience with a small percentage of the game, find it's not living up to their personal and very specific expectations "right now", and then assume the "entire game" must be like that and therefor sucks; it's aimed at "n00bs" and so forth.
Welcome to what I've dealt with for a few months
, I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about.
I've got to admit at least over there people used legitimate concerns 80% (no pun intended
) of the time.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The op was basically claiming that all you did was DoT the other players and run away. Thus the claim that 80% of abilities are DoTs and 20% direct damage.
So they're confusing how the game distributes skills with how the players choose to use them.
Heh that's not new either, unfortunately. People seem to assume the way they play, or they see others play, is exactly how the game was designed to be played. They don't realize there are other options.
To illustrate: In FFXI, there's this one area everyone goes to level in their teens. It's not the only place you can go and, in fact, in the first couple years the game was out, people didn't all only go there. It was the whole "everyone else goes there, so that's where you're supposed to go". One day, I was online, leveling out there and someone in my party says "I'd love to know what person thought making the Dunes the only place you can level from 10-20 was a good idea".
I said, "It's not the only place you can level... There are a few other spots that used to get more traffic; no one uses them anymore"
This person told me to "stfu" and "learn to play". The irony is I'd been playing since the NA PC launch and had leveled in those other areas... This person was brand-new to the game and thought they knew it all (another common phenomenon: The "know-it-all newbie")
Anyway... yeah. You'll find that anywhere.
"If it's how I play, then it must be how the designers intended it"
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I honestly think it takes a lot more skill to put DoTs on numerous people and to keep them going, whether it be heals or damage. If you do 100% pure damage/heal, you just keep hitting the same button (as one spell will obviously be superior in whatever situation you are in) on the same target until they die or until they are healed. It takes speed and skill to keep up 5 10 second DoTs on people without them running out. You don't just put 1 DoT on someone and run away and they die, if you played WAR you'd know that.
He's just a Maurauder and wants to take 1/4 of their life away every hit to feel "really powerful". We all like that powerful feeling now and then, but it gets old much faster than keeping DoTs up and wearing people down with skill.
I play a shaman, I use my damage skills a lot, I have one DoT at level 10 that is.
Same thing with my witch hunter, only one dot so far at level 9.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That's 92.21% of your damage. Yup.
Proof?
80% of all damage in this game is from Damage over-time abilities,spells.
This is not counting PVE AI
wheres your proof? you can just make statistical claims without proof? You are a troll sir, and not the most deft Ive come across...
Because there are some people who can't, or won't even try to see the big picture.
They take very limited experience with a small percentage of the game, find it's not living up to their personal and very specific expectations "right now", and then assume the "entire game" must be like that and therefor sucks; it's aimed at "n00bs" and so forth.
Welcome to what I've dealt with for a few months
, I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about.
I've got to admit at least over there people used legitimate concerns 80% (no pun intended
) of the time.
Hmm... I'm guessing you must be referring to the AoC forums? I'm not aware of anything like that happening in Eve's community really.
Also notice you were on Bloodfin... You remember New Republic from there? I was in their EQ2 guild for a time :-p.
Anyways... back on topic...
Yeah, I can't help but shake my head at the knee-jerk reactions people will have to a game within only days of playing it. They've seen only a fraction of it, yet feel they've got the entire game nailed down.
Mind you, this isn't regarding whether they like the game or not (since I know that's a similar, but different, debate that happens - the whole "how long must you play a game before you can credibly form an opinion of it" thing)...
I'm referring to how people seem to forget that the entire game, every nuance and feature of it, isn't laid before their feet as soon as they start - nor even in the first 20-30 levels - and that most MMOs start off "slow" and "simple" and then build as you progress.
Level 1 does not provide a snapshot of what it will be like at Level 10, 30, 50, etc...
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops