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what REAL PvP looks like (AoC vs WAR)
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tell ya what Avery.....
I will make you a bet....
If FunCom releases PvP patch in 4 days (which you said was going to happen) I will publicly apologize to you and to FunCom.....
however... if they dont... and they push back AGAIN.... you have to accept the fact that they are LYING....
how about it?
I kept and open mind, but vidio killed the last doubt in me - this PVP is not half as interesting as in AOC. It's very linear and kinda static. In AOC you can have 30% of health while your enemy has 100 and still win, and in here it look more predictable - it is result of simplified combat. That's why AOC's combat was heading in right direction. It's not perfect, but i won't agree to anything less from now on.
Exactly Alexander, thats how I see it. AoC set a benchmark, I like wars approach in some ways but 3 second swing time in auto attack on my White Lion... just too long. Its not my cuppa tea. The constant hit from side or back promote Circle Strafing which is what we see in the initial post video. I hate that, all need in the jumping video's now.
This thread is was brought about by AoC haters to incite flames: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/201327 "We can kick each others asses in game then come here and post youtube links on the AoC forums so the guys there can see what they are missing
" - pure troll.
Until you post a video of yourself swinging a great poleaxe from back to front in less than 3 seconds (repeatedly for atleast 20 seconds, the length of a decent fight), the only thing I have to say is to stop whining.
STOP WHINING!
You know, its sad that we have those who come here and bash AoC while propping up the game of their choice. If you don't like AoC then move on, that is what I did. I played AoC beta and War beta. I gave AoC the benefit of the doubt and bought the game. It did not hold my interest after 30 days so I left. Let it go guys. You do not make yourselves or your game of choice look any better by doing this.
Its all opinions here. Just accept the fact that some people like one product over another and others like both and some even like neither one. Its what makes people unique and interesting. Live and let live.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Well said, was about to post something very similar myself. I'll add to it actually, /equips flame retardant suit.
What really boggles me is seeing people who's (admitted) goal is to correct so called "fanbois" here, while they berate anyone who posts anything remotely negative about WAR over on it's forum. Quite an amusing contradiction in all honesty.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Here's something that has me shaking my head every time I pvp in Warhammer: People STILL don't realize the game has *auto-face*.
If I have you targetted, you have me targetted, my character NEVER gets the "Not in line of sight " message. Even if the model is slow in updating, ALL of my moves go off regardless of how much time and energy you waste circle strafing, because my character automatically faces you...
Try it out if you're new to the game, I understand many people weren't in closed beta and are new to the game, so the next time some bright spark thinks he's playing WoW and starts his little dance show, stand still and execute your moves : Note that auto attack swings and all abilities go off w/out fail. And then chuckle at the people exerting effort on their fantastic circle strafing ritual.
For the love of god, STOP alreaady, understand that auto face is in, you do nothing but make it hard for healers not in your group to target you.
I realize this is off-topic, but I'm sold on WAR anyway, have been in beta and an elder tester since Aug 2007 and I'm still excited about it, so I know I'll be playing and don't really feel the need to sell it to people that aren't interested.
Just stop bloody circle strafing so I can heal you, and you can look less foolish.
Thanks.
Boring pvp video. This is why pvp sucks in most mmo's today. Run around like a headless chicken pressing a shortcut now and then, and if you win you clap yourself on your shoulder and think you're skilled? Dont make me laugh. Real videogame pvp is found in any multiplayer fps...or even some rts, not in any mmo. Granted mmo-pvp can be fun once in a while, but I laugh when people call themself a skilled pvp player. You need knowledge, not skill to be a successful mmo pvp'er. In twitch-based fps'es you need skill. I know alot of you aint gonna agree with that statement, but get into TF2, UT or any other twitch fps and try your 'mmo-pvp skill' there. You'll get raped...hard I might add even
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
for those of you on the other side from me, please continue to run around so your healers cant target you..lol
WAR is RvR, not PvP btw.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
Sorry but running round in circles and playing shit music over the top of it does'nt do justice to this game bud ...... your Video actually makes it look like some Korean shit game.
Also people that play like that are fucking annoying to the extreme.
Having played WAR for a bit, I can say that the pvp demonstrated in this video was what I remembered it to be. As some have pointed out, typical zerg, circle-strafe pvp. Nothing new. Didn't feel special or exciting, just more of the same.
However, if you're enjoying it, great! I really wish I would have been more excited by it. WAR was previously on my "watching" list, as was AoC, but neither really did it for me. Why am I in these forums? I'm kind of bored with WoW and want to try something new. This happens to me quite often, I just usually end back with WoW, but it doesn't mean I stop looking.
I was actually looking for good videos of AoC when I stumbled on to this very ordinary thread.
so...
Oh your classic.. maybe this guy should read their own SIG.. read the THREAD before POSTING..
"REAL PVP looks like AoC vs WAR" haha..eve a real PVP LMAO..
that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....
but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....
I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU
yeah.. "huge" battles - there were hardly ever people defending keeps in the closed beta. I wouldn't know about the open beta though since I've given up hope of WAR, it's another hype
I kept and open mind, but vidio killed the last doubt in me - this PVP is not half as interesting as in AOC. It's very linear and kinda static. In AOC you can have 30% of health while your enemy has 100 and still win, and in here it look more predictable - it is result of simplified combat. That's why AOC's combat was heading in right direction. It's not perfect, but i won't agree to anything less from now on.
Exactly Alexander, thats how I see it. AoC set a benchmark, I like wars approach in some ways but 3 second swing time in auto attack on my White Lion... just too long. Its not my cuppa tea. The constant hit from side or back promote Circle Strafing which is what we see in the initial post video. I hate that, all need in the jumping video's now.
This thread is was brought about by AoC haters to incite flames: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/201327 "We can kick each others asses in game then come here and post youtube links on the AoC forums so the guys there can see what they are missing
" - pure troll.
The thing is though is WAR has pvp in it s game as promised where as AOC?? Where is it.
that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....
but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....
I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU
yeah.. "huge" battles - there were hardly ever people defending keeps in the closed beta. I wouldn't know about the open beta though since I've given up hope of WAR, it's another hype
Lol i can assure you it s huger then AOCs revolutionary 48 vs 48 pre determined so called sieges.
What shitty music
Tried: WoW
Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
Playing: DAoC.
Waiting For: SW:TOR.
Realm vs Realm I would say is when i's one realm (lots) vs (lots) from the other realm.
1v1 I would say is player versus another player (which is when the strafe-tards really put on a show).
No matter what title they decide to give it, when all is said in done, it comes down to players vs other players -PvP.
Either way, no matter to me, just the way I see it.
As if you had no idea what the music was going to be until you clicked the link.
einexile the meek
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You won't find real PvP in any modern MMO.
I was talking about combat mechanics on 1vs1 or ppl vs ppl level. Works perfectly from since i started to play. And next week that big PVP patch is finaly coming. They're adding PVP experience and PVP armors that will depend on PVP experience/stats and stuff or something like that..
Anyway - AOC could learn a thing or two from WAR. It's RVRlooks interesting, but when it comes to close and personal PVP - AOC wins in my opinion. But so far most of it about duels or PVP minigames. AOCs PVP could use some more motivation. I guess i'll be waiting for the game that combines best stuff from AOC and WAR. What i'll definately play is "Warhammer 40k" online
Btw, in that video - people are running around or in circles because positioning is essential in AOC, to avoid enemy combos and stuff. But if you run too much - you won't kill your opponent either. Some just run too much.
Here's more or less ok PVP vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D80cfXi8M6M
Here's a greats summary for two games mentioned here...
Eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online
AOC http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/138-Age-of-Conan
Extremely accurate and funny. NOTE: there is more than a little adult language humor, but AOC is an "adult" game it should be fine here.
Anyone who advertises Yahtzee is win.
You sir are win.
Tried: WoW
Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
Playing: DAoC.
Waiting For: SW:TOR.
Does AOC LIE ?
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/191/view/videos/play/1289
You know the answer to this one.
well compared to aoc war looks so cartugly that the true pvp master will play it with a blindfold over his eyes
if your bored, visit my blog at:
http://craylon.wordpress.com/ dealing with the look of mmos with the nvidia 3d vision glasses
After doing stuff like this to enemies is hard to switch.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
having been playing open beta. War absolutely owns in pvp.
with my group of buddies, it is like playing a chess match against the other team, while pvp in AoC was simply everyone target the same guy with your best combo.
Be blind and continue to think AoC has pvp in it, i will be enjoying myself in a finished and polished game.
Note, for all the idiots that whine about the 3 second auto attack. You dont use auto attack, that is last resort when you dont have any AP left. The combat is much faster, because you are using skills and such until you run out of ap.
Almost forgot. Tanks can actually tank in pvp in warhammer. First of all it has collision dectection like AoC, but unlike meaning basically nothing in AoC, your tanks can set up shield walls and other formations to block off doors and ledges all over the place in pvp. Not to mention that taunts actually work in pvp, and that you can shield another player from 50% of thier damage and take it yourself. detaunt some guys in front of you and they deal 30% less damage.
There is so much you can do in Warhammer that isnt even possible in AoC. i would love to see a seige where the tanks set up a shield wall to prevent them from getting through, and a freaking siege just boils down to trying to destroy all the buildings lol how utterly un epic. atleast the focus of warhammer sieges is killing the enemy.
Lolwut? What "PvP master" would take graphics over gameplay? -_-