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Skills in WAR.
baalio
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I've been reading a lot of posts in different places, including here on mmorpg, about how combat in WAR is just hitting a few buttons over and over and there is nothing to it, and its slow. I just don't understand where they are coming from, and I hope someone can explain it to me. I have played several different characters up into their teens, or even to 20(the cap in the beta), and I never seemed to have any lack of skills or skill diversity. To take a good example for this, at level 16 my Disciple of Khaine has 17 different abilities that I actively use in combat, depending on situation, as well as 2 morale abilities and 2 sets of tactic bars which I swap for pve or pvp... Those 17 abilities also do not include flee(sprint), My repair siege engine ability, etc...
I know that at 15 or even 20 in WoW, I was not using 17 different abilities... There was no need for it, and most of them did not have enough utility to make them worth bothering with.
I would just like to know what these people were playing, in terms of levels and classes... And what were the "few buttons" that they just kept pressing over and over which made up the whole of their combat. Were they playing a marauder and all they kept doing was hitting flail over and over? At what level? I would really appreciate some elightenment.
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Most of these people you speak of are known as trolls and have no real logic behind anything they say and probably never played the game....either that or these people have bad taste.WAR rocks people.
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Most of the post come from players that played WOW so much that they can not mentally adapt to any game that is not WOW.
Fortunaly for them , they will have their WOTLK expansion, so they can keep on grinding raids, and stop trolling
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
Okay well, Ill prove that I use almost all of my abilities. As a magus I use all 3 of my pets based on the range I need, I use all of my instacast nukes and dots, which is equal to 4, I use my aoe (cone) attack quite consistantly, I have an aoe root, a single target snare, both which I use, my long range fireball, again, use it every fight.
I have to use a second hotbar at level 12 just to have easy access to all the things I require. By my count Ive got 13 I use regularly in EVERY scenario. And thats not counting the couple of passive skills which technically I use all the time, so that brings me to about 14 at level 12. If you ask me, thats a LOT of skills to be throwing out there for a level 12.
umm, there isn't any NEED to use anything other than auto-attack, but if you don't use your skills then you are not making optimal use of your character.
You could probably get to R40 RR80 using nothing but doombolt, sure... If you don't mind dying on every second mob, or else waiting excessively. I guess you never heard of dhar wind? Well, we are up to 2 skills. But wait, you might want to drop a DOT on them so they die fast enough that you don't get beat on while you are nuking them... And then while dotted, how about cataclysmic darkness to DD and snare them so they can't get away, or take longer to get to you? How about your Insta-cast no cooldown willpower debuff(shut-down healers?) which, when it expires, does a decent sized piece of damage to them. How about AoE root? How about Umbral Strikes, which gives all of the people in your party a 25% chance to proc damage on every attack...
Do you realise that all of these skills are given BEFORE LEVEL 9???
Sure, you can choose not to use any of your skills... that doesn't make you smart.
On the DoK, I use skills like Lacerate(DoT and toughness debuff) and Flay (DD+ snare if the target is crippled, as with lacerate). Don't need to comment on blood offering, stand coward, and terrifying visions... How about my heals? Maybe I don't need them... I have my basic HoT, then I have my targeted heal+hot, then I have my melee attack which builds soul essence(which I burn a lot) AND group heals every time I land a hit... Then I have Rend soul which is a channeled attack that hits a target 4 times over 3 seconds and heals my defensive target for 250% of my damage... I could go on, but I think I have covered enough... Oh, and all of those abilities I just mentioned are available by 10 or 11, as I recall. And that is nowhere near all the abilities I have or use. I also have my covenents... Group buff which gives a lifetap proc, or group buff for a large amount of armor(260 when I get it... that is enough to double the armor of some RDPS or MDPS, and a very significant amount at that level)?
The fact that you can play a class without using any of the skills it has, or even any of the skills which define it as a class, do not mean that that is how it should be played.
You said that you don't believe it... here, I have given you examples.
Netspook, how high did you play your sorc?
The peeps that speak of this negative shit are all liers and should /wrist....
probally lvl 1, you can just stand around and not run around like a damm fool but a good player will know who to attack when to attack what skills to use and in what order, for melle classes though you dont start to crate stratgy with your skill usage until after lvl8 or 10 for some classes.
It occurs to me that for those people not familiar with the sorc, I should explain this. As the sorc uses her skills it builds up dark magic. The more dark magic she has accumulated, the higher her chance to crit(up to 50%), but it also increases her chance to have a backlash. To have her spell explode in her face as well as her target's... And the backlash is not inconsequential... 3-4 backlashes can be enough to kill a sorc, especially if they crit. If you are using nothing but that one spell, you will be building up dark magic, but your only option to get rid of it is to wait for it to expire while out of combat. For the rest of us, Dhar Wind will burn dark magic and turn it into damage. Its a DD that does damage dependent on how much dark magic you have built up, and resets the pool to zero.
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
Heh, I am sure you would quit the game and commit suicide out of sheer bordom using only doombolt. On top of that you would die so often in PvP it would be laughable. There is more to a game than one button smashing, this mode of playstyle died in the Eighties. Your knowledge of the game is obvously quite shallow.
On my Deciplile of Khaine at level 15, I use 16 skills. Six melee combat skill these include two debuffs, one snare, one attack boost, a healing attack, an essance recharge attack. Ten non-melee skills one group buff, three heals, one rez, one nuke, one essance recharge and three tactic skills. Player skill comes from understanding one's charater's skills, role in group and practice.
In closeing troll less and actually play the game.
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
Netspook is one of these "trolls" i guess, seeing as what he has contributed here is obviously not matter of opinion but counter factual. And was proven wrong by the many war players here.
I as a shaman or zealot had plenty of abilities to use , i could debuff , damage and heal. all of these functions having multiple abilities to do so. (Steal int, steal ap, decrease res, decrease damage, heals, heal+hots, hot, big heals, group heals , insta heals, group hots, lifetaps, lifetap dots, int/str buff, other buffs, res buffs, more buffs, damage buffs, rituals aoe buffs, dds (nuke), aoes, pbaoes, dd+debuff, knockbacks, moral abiltiies).
That is the ranged healing classes and i am sure i missed a few.
PS, Anyone out there that played the game at all, can tell you that each level you get a new ability. You start out with 2-3 (not including sprint). And every about 4-6 level you get at least 2 sometimes 3 abilties in one level. Add it up you will find that by r16 you should have about 17-20 abilties.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Without templates: r1 - r32 within the same beta phase.
With templates, last closed phase: r31 - r38
I don't remember how high rr I got.
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
Netspook is one of these "trolls" i guess, seeing as what he has contributed here is obviously not matter of opinion but counter factual. And was proven wrong by the many war players here.
I as a shaman or zealot had plenty of abilities to use , i could debuff , damage and heal. all of these functions having multiple abilities to do so. (Steal int, steal ap, decrease res, decrease damage, heals, heal+hots, hot, big heals, group heals , insta heals, group hots, lifetaps, lifetap dots, int/str buff, other buffs, res buffs, more buffs, damage buffs, rituals aoe buffs, dds (nuke), aoes, pbaoes, dd+debuff, knockbacks, moral abiltiies).
That is the ranged healing classes and i am sure i missed a few.
PS, Anyone out there that played the game at all, can tell you that each level you get a new ability. You start out with 2-3 (not including sprint). And every about 4-6 level you get at least 2 sometimes 3 abilties in one level. Add it up you will find that by r16 you should have about 17-20 abilties.
Yes, you get new abilities every rank. But if you claim you use all of them ACTIVELY, then you're full of crap. I never objected to how many abilities you acutally HAVE, so learn to read before you call me a troll.
As for "having played the game at all":
I've been a beta tester (EU) since August 2007. I've been one of the most active testers on the EU side, I've spent 100s of hours on the beta. It doesn't make me an expert in anything, but yes, I HAVE played the game.
Have you?
Gotta time your attacks based on AP etc.
Also DPS casters on both sides are really all strategy when you get up to 11+ ...gotta watch for backlashes, know when to cast what to save on AP.. etc.
I hope I meet up with you in RvR, and you're on the other side. If you don't use all your skills actively in WAR, you're meat for the grinder.
You may have been in beta since August of 2007, but you apparently still haven't learned how to play the game. Go figure.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
Yes, you get new abilities every rank. But if you claim you use all of them ACTIVELY, then you're full of crap. I never objected to how many abilities you acutally HAVE, so learn to read before you call me a troll.
As for "having played the game at all":
I've been a beta tester (EU) since August 2007. I've been one of the most active testers on the EU side, I've spent 100s of hours on the beta. It doesn't make me an expert in anything, but yes, I HAVE played the game.
Have you?
Name an ability that you did not use?
I personally use all of my abilities , to not use all of them would just be really dumb (Regardless of class you can't believe it, well what classes have you played, i mean if you been playing so long i hope you have tried a healer, where in, you would have used 17 abilities at r 16). A few classes can get by with activitly using less, HEALERS the person you replied to are NOT ONE OF THEM. If they want to play well.
This changes around r23-26 where you have too many abilities for any given situation. However at r16 as a healer you should be using all of you abilities in one situation or another , correct actively.
Drop by Bugman's Brewery and just make a post saying this is netspook all should be clear if your claims are true.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Yes, you get new abilities every rank. But if you claim you use all of them ACTIVELY, then you're full of crap. I never objected to how many abilities you acutally HAVE, so learn to read before you call me a troll.
As for "having played the game at all":
I've been a beta tester (EU) since August 2007. I've been one of the most active testers on the EU side, I've spent 100s of hours on the beta. It doesn't make me an expert in anything, but yes, I HAVE played the game.
Have you?
Name an ability that you did not use?
I personally use all of my abilities , to not use all of them would just be really dumb (Regardless of class you can't believe it, well what classes have you played, i mean if you been playing so long i hope you have tried a healer, where in, you would have used 17 abilities at r 16). A few classes can get by with activitly using less, HEALERS the person you replied to are NOT ONE OF THEM. If they want to play well.
This changes around r23-26 where you have too many abilities for any given situation. However at r16 as a healer you should be using all of you abilities in one situation or another , correct actively.
Drop by Bugman's Brewery and just make a post saying this is netspook all should be clear if your claims are true.
I'm Rafnir on the EU forums. You'll find my latest post on the forums under Beta Discussion, thread name Day Night Circle, post #7.
Have a look around the forums, if you really have access. And search threads from previous phases too. Most beta testers agree with me about combat. In almost every phase, there's been huge threads about button mashing etc, Requiel called it "your favourite topic".
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
Well I cant say for WAR as I have yet to play from 1-40 but in Wow I use 3 bars of skills all the time in PvP to tackle each situation.
I play a huntard in WoW and I use a massive amount of skills, in a AV Id use every 1 of these multiple times but there is will be about 10 I use more than others.. Things like scarebeats I use on druids, Silence on mages and healers.. best used on pallies who get to 5% HP b4 bubble only to find they cant HAHA!!!
Will WAR have me using as many as my squib hearder? time will tell.
Additional skills ill use in Wrath:
who you are there has nothing to do with this thread, so far your post has showed that you don't seem to play WAR the way it should be played. hell i played a tank, normally a class that has very little use of skills and at lvl 16, i was actively using 13 of my skills that i can think of off the top of my head. hell there is only 1 skill that i have that i don't have any where on any of my hot bars.
At what level? Figure, I am up to almost 2 full bars of skills before level 20.
Paladins can bubble out of silences. They can't bubble off Holy Interrupts, which Hunter has none.
depends which bubble they use.
Who I am has everything to do with it. I was asked to confirm my beta tester status, which I did. I proved I'm no liar.
Though you only mention ONE ability you don't need, you're actually helping to prove my point. Which is, every ability you learn will NOT be actively used. Yes, it's nitpicking (or what it's called), I do know that.
And I never said it was wise to use one/few abilites, I thought my "(for some reason...)" comment made that clear, but obviously I overestimated the intelligence of some of the posters.
There's no NEED to use 17 abilities in WAR, if you really claim that, then you don't know what you're talking about. And no, there's neither any need for that in WoW.
Heck, if I wanted to (for some reason...), then I'm 100% sure I could get my sorcerer to r40 AND rr40, without using anything else than doombolt.
Btw, you claim to have 17 abilites you actively use at r16 - regardless of class, that's something I simply don't believe.
I guess since I use all but one of my abilities nearly every time I play a scenario or engage in RvR I must be a total nub.
Or maybe... just maybe... it means I'm an effective player. Hmmm.. which could it be
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
Who I am has everything to do with it. I was asked to confirm my beta tester status, which I did. I proved I'm no liar.
Though you only mention ONE ability you don't need, you're actually helping to prove my point. Which is, every ability you learn will NOT be actively used. Yes, it's nitpicking (or what it's called), I do know that.
And I never said it was wise to use one/few abilites, I thought my "(for some reason...)" comment made that clear, but obviously I overestimated the intelligence of some of the posters.
dude, name a game that you cant make it to end level using nothing but auto attack. You can do it in any game.
The fact is in this game, you wont make it to the top of the pvp ladder if you are only using 5 skills or less.