There's an interesting Poll on www.curse.com (bottom right). 70% canceling wow to go to war? Don't tell me the crowd voting on it is irrelevant either, because no one plays wow without addons.
I'll agree and say that the poll is somewhat significant, what's better though is that only 1% have voted "What is Warhammer".
The fact is, WAR is going to have a bigger debut than AoC did
I agree but doesnt change the facts that your press release link clearly says shipped to retailers
- big difference than sold to consumer
some people to this day,
still think that AOC sold 1+ million copies - when Funcom only shipped that amount
AOC sold less than 1 million
Look, WoW troll. The press release says that they BROKE THE RECORD FOR PREORDERS MADE BY CONSUMERS. In other words, PEOPLE initiated those pre-orders. It may not have been 1.5 million, but the fact remains that EA broke a record for number of preorders made for the PC. The 1.5 million is just the total overall. It's still big news though since more people preordered WAR than any other game in their 26 history. Quit trying to find excuses. It's lame.
Correcting your flawed arguments is *not* making up excuses.
Here is another one by the way ... read very slowly .... it says it broke preorder records for preorders made for any PC game ever MADE BY EA.
The fact is, WAR is going to have a bigger debut than AoC did
I agree but doesnt change the facts that your press release link clearly says shipped to retailers
- big difference than sold to consumer
some people to this day,
still think that AOC sold 1+ million copies - when Funcom only shipped that amount
AOC sold less than 1 million
Look, WoW troll. The press release says that they BROKE THE RECORD FOR PREORDERS MADE BY CONSUMERS. In other words, PEOPLE initiated those pre-orders. It may not have been 1.5 million, but the fact remains that EA broke a record for number of preorders made for the PC. The 1.5 million is just the total overall. It's still big news though since more people preordered WAR than any other game in their 26 history. Quit trying to find excuses. It's lame.
... read very slowly .... it says it broke preorder records for preorders made for any PC game ever MADE BY EA.
And that's exactly what I've been saying all along. Quit arguing for arguments sake. It's getting lame.
The fact is, WAR is going to have a bigger debut than AoC did
I agree but doesnt change the facts that your press release link clearly says shipped to retailers
- big difference than sold to consumer
some people to this day,
still think that AOC sold 1+ million copies - when Funcom only shipped that amount
AOC sold less than 1 million
Look, WoW troll. The press release says that they BROKE THE RECORD FOR PREORDERS MADE BY CONSUMERS. In other words, PEOPLE initiated those pre-orders. It may not have been 1.5 million, but the fact remains that EA broke a record for number of preorders made for the PC. The 1.5 million is just the total overall. It's still big news though since more people preordered WAR than any other game in their 26 history. Quit trying to find excuses. It's lame.
Correcting your flawed arguments is *not* making up excuses.
Here is another one by the way ... read very slowly .... it says it broke preorder records for preorders made for any PC game ever MADE BY EA.
Gotta love how these WoW fanboys are coming out of the woodworks making excuses. The fact is, WAR is going to have a bigger debut than AoC did and it didn't have the awesome graphics AoC had to lure them in either. That's quite the feat. It's all gravy from here since WAR will most certainly draw legions of people in when they learn how great it is compared to the competition.
Umm... I'm not a WAR hater by any means, I've pre-ordered and am eagerly awaiting the head-start tomorrow. I'm certainly not a WoW fanboy (can't stand the game) nor AoC (ditto)....
That said... A valid point has been raised against your post.
The release states units sold to Retailers... That's not how many customers/players have bought/pre-ordered.
You misquoted the release, and now you're trying to spin your way out of it. Trying to turn it into a WoW-bash or AoC-bash thread is basically side-stepping the real point.
It's fine. No one's perfect. We all make mistakes.
Just own up to the mistake and read more carefully next time.
That out of the way... You go on to mention "facts" in your post...
The only "fact" is that no one knows how well WAR will do 'til it's come out and has had a chance for players to play and make up their minds on if they'll stay.
Will it have a much better release than AoC in terms of stability, etc? I'd say yes; though that's setting a pretty low bar, IMO. However, how well the game releases (as in stability, etc) doesn't reflect on how many players it will retain.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The way they did the beta and early launch makes this insignificant. Companies are now using the lure of open beta to get people to pre-order so they can then hype their game using pre-order numbers. What would the number of pre-orders have been if it didnt' guarantee you a beta spot?
Who cares? The point is that they sold this massive amount. And they will only continue to grow through word of mouth.
Exactly. The means to how they achieved this success makes no difference. Regardless, congrats to EA and Mythic.
Agree nicely done and maybee the way NEW and OLD companies can model and promote in the future
Kudos on a Great JoB EA and welcome back to the MMO fray been a LOoooong Time since Bards Tale on the Comodore 64.
The way they did the beta and early launch makes this insignificant. Companies are now using the lure of open beta to get people to pre-order so they can then hype their game using pre-order numbers. What would the number of pre-orders have been if it didnt' guarantee you a beta spot?
Who cares? The point is that they sold this massive amount. And they will only continue to grow through word of mouth.
Not if that mouth is mine. I will tell the truth about this game. No significant amount of people are going to leave WoW to join WAR. They will load it up and see its the same game practically. Then return to WOW as WOTLK releases. I will be the one on these forums telling everyone of you I told you so when about the majority of your player base leaves after the first month to go back to WoW. WOTLK will take back the WoW players who are bored right now with BC and are like well ill give this a go for a month till WOTLK comes out and i wouldnt doubt if they are in this forum PRAISING WAR on how it plays and or looks. But when WOTLK comes out thats when you guys will find out who is your loyal WAR fans. I dont play WoW btw so i wont be going to WOTLK so dont respond to this saying no just u will.
I dont think anyone hre really gives a damn if a bunch of WoW raid loving Nubs come play WAR. There's billions of people in the world and several hundred million gamers and not all of them play WoW.
Yes, but selling to a retailer does not mean someone is going to buy it. And remember, the developer gets about 20% of sales, the rest goes to the retailer and distributer. Mything will see $10 for every box sold to a customer. To put things in perspective. AOC sold 1.2 million boxes to retailers, of which 800k were sold to customers. They made 8M on the sales of boxes. I still think the game is very lackluster and clunky and will not keep a significant number of people once they reach lvl 40.
Uh..more than 20 percent of game sales goes to the Developer. Retailers make about 5 to 10 dollars PER new 50 dollar game that comes out. I looked once into what it would cost to open a business and sell PC / Console games and when I saw how much they cost from the distributor and realized I'd only net 5 dollars on most new titles I said fuck it. Thats why Gamestop focus's so hardcore on selling other items to you besides just the game.
They make little to jack shit on the games they make more off the guide books, controllers, memory cards etc.
Gotta love how these WoW fanboys are coming out of the woodworks making excuses. The fact is, WAR is going to have a bigger debut than AoC did and it didn't have the awesome graphics AoC had to lure them in either. That's quite the feat. It's all gravy from here since WAR will most certainly draw legions of people in when they learn how great it is compared to the competition.
Umm... I'm not a WAR hater by any means, I've pre-ordered and am eagerly awaiting the head-start tomorrow. I'm certainly not a WoW fanboy (can't stand the game) nor AoC (ditto)....
That said... A valid point has been raised against your post.
The release states units sold to Retailers... That's not how many customers/players have bought/pre-ordered.
You misquoted the release, and now you're trying to spin your way out of it. Trying to turn it into a WoW-bash or AoC-bash thread is basically side-stepping the real point.
It's fine. No one's perfect. We all make mistakes.
Just own up to the mistake and read more carefully next time.
Uh.. point to me exactly where I made this supposed "mistake?" I said (IN MY TITLE IN BOLD LETTERS) that EA broke its own record in preorder sales for PC. FACT. Anything else you read into it is YOUR mistake, not mine. The fact that you're belaboring the issue makes me a little suspicious about your intentions. You seem a little too eager to rain on EA/Mythic's parade, as far as I'm concern. Can you say "stealth WoW/AoC fanboy?" Either that, or you're in league with this Pheaces joker.
Very impressive considering WoW's North American market is only around 2 million ish. Maybe less.
Yeah but the thing that ppl usualy dont take into consideration is the amount of bored EX wow player who arent playing anymore . ( more than3/4 of the ppl i played before BC left the game shortly after BC )
I dont think anyone hre really gives a damn if a bunch of WoW raid loving Nubs come play WAR. There's billions of people in the world and several hundred million gamers and not all of them play WoW.
I know seeing as im one of them. WoW has no substance. As for WAR breaking EA's records its only doing so because what game other then Madden does EA release that is worthy of 1.5 million shipped to retailers? Like I've been saying though Time will tell of WAR's sucess. I do believe it will be quick and forgotten as quick as it came but thats my thoughts on the matter. Most gamers are looking for the next big one but i dont see this one taking that role just yet as from what ive seen in Open Beta. Played it, Did RvR, PvE'd so i do know whats going on in the game.
Yes, but selling to a retailer does not mean someone is going to buy it. And remember, the developer gets about 20% of sales, the rest goes to the retailer and distributer. Mything will see $10 for every box sold to a customer. To put things in perspective. AOC sold 1.2 million boxes to retailers, of which 800k were sold to customers. They made 8M on the sales of boxes. I still think the game is very lackluster and clunky and will not keep a significant number of people once they reach lvl 40.
Uh..more than 20 percent of game sales goes to the Developer. Retailers make about 5 to 10 dollars PER new 50 dollar game that comes out. I looked once into what it would cost to open a business and sell PC / Console games and when I saw how much they cost from the distributor and realized I'd only net 5 dollars on most new titles I said fuck it. Thats why Gamestop focus's so hardcore on selling other items to you besides just the game.
They make little to jack shit on the games they make more off the guide books, controllers, memory cards etc.
A old rule of thumb was a price raise with 30% from grossist to retailer and retailer to end consumer. But that is not the complete truth.
You as a prospecting retailer was talking about 12%, that is more to what I see as the thuth, ie 10%-20% not including taxes. That makes it less 80%-90% left from the boxsale after taxes. That is what is shared amongst grossist, distributor, packaging, developer and so.
Is 20% that so much off the scale considering that number seems to be included that box sell including taxes?
All but one of my WoW pals are switching over to WAR.
I don't give a rat's ass whether its "to customers" or "to retailers". We'll see what's the score in a few months' time but as of now WAR>>WoW from my perspective.
The way they did the beta and early launch makes this insignificant. Companies are now using the lure of open beta to get people to pre-order so they can then hype their game using pre-order numbers. What would the number of pre-orders have been if it didnt' guarantee you a beta spot?
Who cares? The point is that they sold this massive amount. And they will only continue to grow through word of mouth.
Not if that mouth is mine. I will tell the truth about this game. No significant amount of people are going to leave WoW to join WAR. They will load it up and see its the same game practically. Then return to WOW as WOTLK releases. I will be the one on these forums telling everyone of you I told you so when about the majority of your player base leaves after the first month to go back to WoW. WOTLK will take back the WoW players who are bored right now with BC and are like well ill give this a go for a month till WOTLK comes out and i wouldnt doubt if they are in this forum PRAISING WAR on how it plays and or looks. But when WOTLK comes out thats when you guys will find out who is your loyal WAR fans. I dont play WoW btw so i wont be going to WOTLK so dont respond to this saying no just u will.
I've already played WAR more than I played WoW............
Now let's just see if it keeps me for more than 30 days
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
FAIRFAX, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mythic Entertainment, an Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ:ERTS) studio, today announced that the highly-anticipated MMORPG, Warhammer® Online: Age of Reckoning™ (WAR), will ship tomorrow to retail stores across North America, Europe, and Oceania in preparation for launch on September 18th. WAR set a company record for the most retail pre-orders placed by consumers for a PC title in EA’s 26 year history. Overall, the company has sold 1.5 million units of WAR to retailers.
The highlighted area says it al...Its just comparing ALL of EA's games and beat its own records...Doesnt say anything about beating any other records.
FAIRFAX, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mythic Entertainment, an Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ:ERTS) studio, today announced that the highly-anticipated MMORPG, Warhammer® Online: Age of Reckoning™ (WAR), will ship tomorrow to retail stores across North America, Europe, and Oceania in preparation for launch on September 18th. WAR set a company record for the most retail pre-orders placed by consumers for a PC title in EA’s 26 year history. Overall, the company has sold 1.5 million units of WAR to retailers. The highlighted area says it al...Its just comparing ALL of EA's games and beat its own records...Doesnt say anything about beating any other records.
TBH, I think that is what the topic is saying. That WAR broke EA's (own) record in preorder.
Does this really matter when EA has already done their marketing push and admitted they are making way more copies available to retailers in hopes of cashing in on the hype of day one new mmo rush thing. Again just funky wording, Perhaps just say we've cut/pressed this many on initial CD/DVD pressing and hence had our flunkies those underling retailers take on stock all these to capialize on the day one - first week or two buying power. So not to be out of stock and have to rush a second printing.
^ Hah, agreed. Also, without looking at anything I think AoC sold 1.2mil about to retailers (Retailers is a valid number to look at, you think Walmart and company buys copies that they plan will sit on the shelf for 6months, never to be bought?... No.) within the first few months. Not before release, release was like 700k I think.
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I'll agree and say that the poll is somewhat significant, what's better though is that only 1% have voted "What is Warhammer".
I agree but doesnt change the facts that your press release link clearly says shipped to retailers
- big difference than sold to consumer
some people to this day,
still think that AOC sold 1+ million copies - when Funcom only shipped that amount
AOC sold less than 1 million
Look, WoW troll. The press release says that they BROKE THE RECORD FOR PREORDERS MADE BY CONSUMERS. In other words, PEOPLE initiated those pre-orders. It may not have been 1.5 million, but the fact remains that EA broke a record for number of preorders made for the PC. The 1.5 million is just the total overall. It's still big news though since more people preordered WAR than any other game in their 26 history. Quit trying to find excuses. It's lame.
Correcting your flawed arguments is *not* making up excuses.
Here is another one by the way ... read very slowly .... it says it broke preorder records for preorders made for any PC game ever MADE BY EA.
Halo 3 sold 1.5 mil pre-orders as well. Halo 3 was one of the biggest games of all time and now WAR is right up there with it.
Congrats Mythic!
I agree but doesnt change the facts that your press release link clearly says shipped to retailers
- big difference than sold to consumer
some people to this day,
still think that AOC sold 1+ million copies - when Funcom only shipped that amount
AOC sold less than 1 million
Look, WoW troll. The press release says that they BROKE THE RECORD FOR PREORDERS MADE BY CONSUMERS. In other words, PEOPLE initiated those pre-orders. It may not have been 1.5 million, but the fact remains that EA broke a record for number of preorders made for the PC. The 1.5 million is just the total overall. It's still big news though since more people preordered WAR than any other game in their 26 history. Quit trying to find excuses. It's lame.
... read very slowly .... it says it broke preorder records for preorders made for any PC game ever MADE BY EA.
And that's exactly what I've been saying all along. Quit arguing for arguments sake. It's getting lame.
I agree but doesnt change the facts that your press release link clearly says shipped to retailers
- big difference than sold to consumer
some people to this day,
still think that AOC sold 1+ million copies - when Funcom only shipped that amount
AOC sold less than 1 million
Look, WoW troll. The press release says that they BROKE THE RECORD FOR PREORDERS MADE BY CONSUMERS. In other words, PEOPLE initiated those pre-orders. It may not have been 1.5 million, but the fact remains that EA broke a record for number of preorders made for the PC. The 1.5 million is just the total overall. It's still big news though since more people preordered WAR than any other game in their 26 history. Quit trying to find excuses. It's lame.
Correcting your flawed arguments is *not* making up excuses.
Here is another one by the way ... read very slowly .... it says it broke preorder records for preorders made for any PC game ever MADE BY EA.
Oh, you managed to read the topic at hand. Great.
*goddag yxskaft*
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Umm... I'm not a WAR hater by any means, I've pre-ordered and am eagerly awaiting the head-start tomorrow. I'm certainly not a WoW fanboy (can't stand the game) nor AoC (ditto)....
That said... A valid point has been raised against your post.
The release states units sold to Retailers... That's not how many customers/players have bought/pre-ordered.
You misquoted the release, and now you're trying to spin your way out of it. Trying to turn it into a WoW-bash or AoC-bash thread is basically side-stepping the real point.
It's fine. No one's perfect. We all make mistakes.
Just own up to the mistake and read more carefully next time.
That out of the way... You go on to mention "facts" in your post...
The only "fact" is that no one knows how well WAR will do 'til it's come out and has had a chance for players to play and make up their minds on if they'll stay.
Will it have a much better release than AoC in terms of stability, etc? I'd say yes; though that's setting a pretty low bar, IMO. However, how well the game releases (as in stability, etc) doesn't reflect on how many players it will retain.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Who cares? The point is that they sold this massive amount. And they will only continue to grow through word of mouth.
Exactly. The means to how they achieved this success makes no difference. Regardless, congrats to EA and Mythic.
Agree nicely done and maybee the way NEW and OLD companies can model and promote in the future
Kudos on a Great JoB EA and welcome back to the MMO fray been a LOoooong Time since Bards Tale on the Comodore 64.
1.5 mill is unites = alot of $$$
Age of Conan sold more, right?
edit: i see funcom sold 1.1 million
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/funcom-reveals-record-age-of-conan-pre-orders
Nop , not really.
Who cares? The point is that they sold this massive amount. And they will only continue to grow through word of mouth.
Not if that mouth is mine. I will tell the truth about this game. No significant amount of people are going to leave WoW to join WAR. They will load it up and see its the same game practically. Then return to WOW as WOTLK releases. I will be the one on these forums telling everyone of you I told you so when about the majority of your player base leaves after the first month to go back to WoW. WOTLK will take back the WoW players who are bored right now with BC and are like well ill give this a go for a month till WOTLK comes out and i wouldnt doubt if they are in this forum PRAISING WAR on how it plays and or looks. But when WOTLK comes out thats when you guys will find out who is your loyal WAR fans. I dont play WoW btw so i wont be going to WOTLK so dont respond to this saying no just u will.
I dont think anyone hre really gives a damn if a bunch of WoW raid loving Nubs come play WAR. There's billions of people in the world and several hundred million gamers and not all of them play WoW.
Uh..more than 20 percent of game sales goes to the Developer. Retailers make about 5 to 10 dollars PER new 50 dollar game that comes out. I looked once into what it would cost to open a business and sell PC / Console games and when I saw how much they cost from the distributor and realized I'd only net 5 dollars on most new titles I said fuck it. Thats why Gamestop focus's so hardcore on selling other items to you besides just the game.
They make little to jack shit on the games they make more off the guide books, controllers, memory cards etc.
Umm... I'm not a WAR hater by any means, I've pre-ordered and am eagerly awaiting the head-start tomorrow. I'm certainly not a WoW fanboy (can't stand the game) nor AoC (ditto)....
That said... A valid point has been raised against your post.
The release states units sold to Retailers... That's not how many customers/players have bought/pre-ordered.
You misquoted the release, and now you're trying to spin your way out of it. Trying to turn it into a WoW-bash or AoC-bash thread is basically side-stepping the real point.
It's fine. No one's perfect. We all make mistakes.
Just own up to the mistake and read more carefully next time.
Uh.. point to me exactly where I made this supposed "mistake?" I said (IN MY TITLE IN BOLD LETTERS) that EA broke its own record in preorder sales for PC. FACT. Anything else you read into it is YOUR mistake, not mine. The fact that you're belaboring the issue makes me a little suspicious about your intentions. You seem a little too eager to rain on EA/Mythic's parade, as far as I'm concern. Can you say "stealth WoW/AoC fanboy?" Either that, or you're in league with this Pheaces joker.
Yeah but the thing that ppl usualy dont take into consideration is the amount of bored EX wow player who arent playing anymore . ( more than3/4 of the ppl i played before BC left the game shortly after BC )
Once the dust settles, I think this game will be the number 2 spot, right behind WOW, unless something better comes along in the next couple years.
Hi fingistroll, how are you today?
I know seeing as im one of them. WoW has no substance. As for WAR breaking EA's records its only doing so because what game other then Madden does EA release that is worthy of 1.5 million shipped to retailers? Like I've been saying though Time will tell of WAR's sucess. I do believe it will be quick and forgotten as quick as it came but thats my thoughts on the matter. Most gamers are looking for the next big one but i dont see this one taking that role just yet as from what ive seen in Open Beta. Played it, Did RvR, PvE'd so i do know whats going on in the game.
Uh..more than 20 percent of game sales goes to the Developer. Retailers make about 5 to 10 dollars PER new 50 dollar game that comes out. I looked once into what it would cost to open a business and sell PC / Console games and when I saw how much they cost from the distributor and realized I'd only net 5 dollars on most new titles I said fuck it. Thats why Gamestop focus's so hardcore on selling other items to you besides just the game.
They make little to jack shit on the games they make more off the guide books, controllers, memory cards etc.
A old rule of thumb was a price raise with 30% from grossist to retailer and retailer to end consumer. But that is not the complete truth.
You as a prospecting retailer was talking about 12%, that is more to what I see as the thuth, ie 10%-20% not including taxes. That makes it less 80%-90% left from the boxsale after taxes. That is what is shared amongst grossist, distributor, packaging, developer and so.
Is 20% that so much off the scale considering that number seems to be included that box sell including taxes?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
All but one of my WoW pals are switching over to WAR.
I don't give a rat's ass whether its "to customers" or "to retailers". We'll see what's the score in a few months' time but as of now WAR>>WoW from my perspective.
Go EA, dont drop the ball now you are on the roll and rattling a few cages, keep the money coming and expect good things from mythic.
Who cares? The point is that they sold this massive amount. And they will only continue to grow through word of mouth.
Not if that mouth is mine. I will tell the truth about this game. No significant amount of people are going to leave WoW to join WAR. They will load it up and see its the same game practically. Then return to WOW as WOTLK releases. I will be the one on these forums telling everyone of you I told you so when about the majority of your player base leaves after the first month to go back to WoW. WOTLK will take back the WoW players who are bored right now with BC and are like well ill give this a go for a month till WOTLK comes out and i wouldnt doubt if they are in this forum PRAISING WAR on how it plays and or looks. But when WOTLK comes out thats when you guys will find out who is your loyal WAR fans. I dont play WoW btw so i wont be going to WOTLK so dont respond to this saying no just u will.
I've already played WAR more than I played WoW............
Now let's just see if it keeps me for more than 30 days
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
FAIRFAX, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mythic Entertainment, an Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ:ERTS) studio, today announced that the highly-anticipated MMORPG, Warhammer® Online: Age of Reckoning™ (WAR), will ship tomorrow to retail stores across North America, Europe, and Oceania in preparation for launch on September 18th. WAR set a company record for the most retail pre-orders placed by consumers for a PC title in EA’s 26 year history. Overall, the company has sold 1.5 million units of WAR to retailers.
The highlighted area says it al...Its just comparing ALL of EA's games and beat its own records...Doesnt say anything about beating any other records.
TBH, I think that is what the topic is saying. That WAR broke EA's (own) record in preorder.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Does this really matter when EA has already done their marketing push and admitted they are making way more copies available to retailers in hopes of cashing in on the hype of day one new mmo rush thing. Again just funky wording, Perhaps just say we've cut/pressed this many on initial CD/DVD pressing and hence had our flunkies those underling retailers take on stock all these to capialize on the day one - first week or two buying power. So not to be out of stock and have to rush a second printing.
Hi fingistroll, how are you today?
^ Hah, agreed. Also, without looking at anything I think AoC sold 1.2mil about to retailers (Retailers is a valid number to look at, you think Walmart and company buys copies that they plan will sit on the shelf for 6months, never to be bought?... No.) within the first few months. Not before release, release was like 700k I think.
Retailers won't buy things they can't sell, especially if it's something stupid like the pre-order box since they'll never get rid of it. >>