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I can talk about this now that his sentence has been established.
Enigma
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This guy was just sentenced to life today for killing someone (well...he did more than just that to the poor girl) and I was part of the actual initial part of the investigation.
I was an Executive manager for the Target about 5 miles down the road where this girl was abducted in another Target parking lot. I had to review all of my video tapes from my store and we realize he was stalking other girls form my store and four other Targets.
We even spotted him stalking one of our cashiers in a few tapes. This guy was just messed up beyong all recognition. It was really bad. I felt sorry for this girl as she was abducted in broad dayligfht in a parking lot. Thankfully, Target has one of the best video quality compared to any other retail store (Jc Pennies is the worst) and that Target managed to get his plates from a camera 200 feet away.
Anyways here is the story. I kinda wished they had him burn but oh well:
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OLATHE, Kan. — A judge sentenced a suburban Kansas City man to life in prison without parole for the 2007 kidnapping, rape and murder of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith, who was abducted from a Target parking lot.
Twenty-seven-year-old Edwin R. Hall pleaded guilty in July to capital murder to avoid the death penalty.
Hall also pleaded guilty to aggravated kidnapping, rape and aggravated sodomy in Smith's death. Each of the other three counts carries sentences of more than 12 years in prison to more than 54 years in prison.
Hall abducted Smith from an Overland Park Target store parking lot in June 2007. The Overland Park teenager's body was found four days later about 15 miles away in a Missouri park.
Smith's relatives gave tearful victims' statements, and a weeping Hall told them simply that he was "so, so sorry" for what he did.
Johnson County District Judge Peter V. Ruddick, who also told the family he was sorry for what they had gone through, sentenced Hall Tuesday afternoon to life in prison without the chance for parole.
The sentence was expected.
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He wasn't sorry, and I don't understand what the point is of giving him a life sentence. People want to detach themselves from what he actually did, and what went on. But hey, the country is falling apart at the seams. Maybe we will rise and rebuild as a stronger nation.
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pisses me off my tax dollars are wasted keeping filth like him alive in prison. I hope he gets a warm reception from the local gangbangers when he gets to prison and they make him wish he died instead
Why do idiots like this just get life is beyond me. That's okay, I'm sure the prisoners where he is going will read about this guy and treat him really badly
Truly detestable. I really hope his cellmates "treat" him properly>.>
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
The state killing a criminal is really no different than the criminal killing another person, both use force to accomplish their will. I also do not want the state having the ability to execute people, puting the ability to kill in the hands of the mass mob (court systems) is dangerous. And I do not think even this guy is worthy of death, unless it is in self defense or direct defense of another I do not think it is ok to kill people.
On a not so random side note, if I need to go to a general store type thingy I go to Target, it is much better than Wal-Mart in my opinion.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
anyone should be sentenced to life if he really has done something seriously. it should be faire to everyone. however, it's not so normal for all.
I am sure he will recieve a warm welcome in prison, the same that most child killers get when they enter the gates im sure.
The only thing that worries me about the death penalty is the chance that an innocent person will go the the "gallows". There are several instances of people being cleared of heinous crimes, some times many years after being incarcerated.
You have that so backwards it is disturbing, and an insult to the victims of crime and torture.
This criminal, is first and foremost, a criminal; an origin of great injustice and wrong inflicted upon the innocent.
This particular criminal plotted for many days, carefully hunting for innocent human beings upon which he intended to inflict heinous, HEINOUS torture and suffering of incalculable magnitude. It probably went on for hours. Probably just like the BTK killer, he is literally devoid of a conscientious which means that he can't "feel bad" about what he has done or pretty much anything ever. That also means that prison, if anything, is a playground to him.
The death penalty is essentially the opposite. The criminal being executed knowingly placed him or herself in there, after committing truly gruesome acts such as the above mentioned.
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I don't think it really matters which punishment is itself better from a moral point of view. Both are valid for their own reasons. I guess the capital penalty takes that person out of the picture completely so it has that merit. On the other hand if he is as warped as that then we are really doing him a favour.
Hell I doubt the judges had an easier time either>.>
Aside from that I really hope they pick up security a bit, or maybe more regular patrols would help prevent such crimes to happen?:(
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
We need fewer 1st time non violent crime inmates and more people in the super max style prisons.
That place is worse than death, no books, no pen and paper, no contact with the outside (family, friends, no one). You get put in a tiny little cell, you spend 23 hours a day in it (it's like 8 by 6 foot or so) staring at a wall talking to yourself for the rest of your time on Earth. Guards don't even make eye contact with you as they pass by or feed you. You spend 40-60 years living as not even a human.
Get to spend the rest of your life with people like the uni-bomber, that guy who planed the WTC bombing back in the earily ninties, other, only you'll never know any of them are around.
True justice would be to leave the murderer in a 20x20 room with the family and friends of the girl he murdererd. Close the door and return in an hour.
No it would be revenge and not justice.
Plus it would damn them since they would be different from him how?
I agree with the high security prison. Death is a release for persons of his kind. Confiment and loss of any semblances of his self is much better punishment imo.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
Death penalty for the win.
Why spend my money to keep filth like that alive? He deserves to be executed.
The me who hears what the other me can't, is the dominant one.
jsut throw em all on some island and leave em ere. save money. plus reailty tv show
RAWR! free money. clickey clikey!
You have that so backwards it is disturbing, and an insult to the victims of crime and torture.
This criminal, is first and foremost, a criminal; an origin of great injustice and wrong inflicted upon the innocent.
This particular criminal plotted for many days, carefully hunting for innocent human beings upon which he intended to inflict heinous, HEINOUS torture and suffering of incalculable magnitude. It probably went on for hours. Probably just like the BTK killer, he is literally devoid of a conscientious which means that he can't "feel bad" about what he has done or pretty much anything ever. That also means that prison, if anything, is a playground to him.
The death penalty is essentially the opposite. The criminal being executed knowingly placed him or herself in there, after committing truly gruesome acts such as the above mentioned.
You can feel however you want about it but objectively they are the same kind of action, using superior force to kill someone. The only thing that makes them really different is how people feel about it, just like how you justify the death penalty as morally good, I see it as morally bad and the guy who commited the crime probably never thought what he did was bad in the first place, different opinions but none are correct.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
no offense, cactusman
But you support beastiality, necrophelia and cannibalism. But you are against the death penalty? I just cannot figure you out sometimes. www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2292590#2292590
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The cost of killing someone through the death penalty, including the costs of all of the appeals, is more than the cost of putting someone away for life. So for all of you who are talking about how "expensive" it is to put someone away for life, consider that it isn't as expensive as the other legal option available.
While I'd like to say "it only costs a few bucks to buy a box of bullets," there are still innocent people out there who can't afford a decent defense. And until there is a way to really monitor what goes on in the world (because let's face it, humans and society will never improve to the point of being flawless), I'd have to say that a mix of a few innocent people slipping through the cracks and the fact that death costs a lot more in the long run keep me from fully supporting the death penalty.
Of course this guy pleaded guilty... so yeah, box of bullets.
What is there to get Enigma?
Anyway I would like to see prisons ran like sweat shops, work camps if you will, if the tax payers have to pay for them then the prisoners might as well be forced to make goods for the public. Because really keeping prisoners couped up and bored out of their minds really isn't doing the public or the prisoners any good.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Just saying it is hard for me to comprehend that you are against the death penalty but you are for necrophelia, cannabilism, and beastiality. I mean, come one.....you have to see the "irony" in all of this.
Just like my last post here stated lol.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Just saying it is hard for me to comprehend that you are against the death penalty but you are for necrophelia, cannabilism, and beastiality. I mean, come one.....you have to see the "irony" in all of this.
Just like my last post here stated lol.
I don't see the irony either. How are social topics like Necrophelia, Cannabilism and beastiality comparable to punishments for crime such as the death penalty?
They are very different things that have little to do with each other.
Just saying it is hard for me to comprehend that you are against the death penalty but you are for necrophelia, cannabilism, and beastiality. I mean, come one.....you have to see the "irony" in all of this.
Just like my last post here stated lol.
I don't see the irony either. How are social topics like Necrophelia, Cannabilism and beastiality comparable to punishments for crime such as the death penalty?
They are very different things that have little to do with each other.
They're connected 'cause if I find some guy eating my neighbors son with a side of bacon, I'll kill the bastard where his sick ass stands.
I find out the morgue intern was screwing my dead grandma for kicks, I'll kill the bastard where his sick ass stands.
I find my neighbor screwing my German Shepherd, I'll kill the bastard where his sick ass stands.
So they have everything to do with each other.
so this guy stalks, abducts, and kills this chick... and my taxes are paying for his food, clothing, and shelter for the rest of his natural life... hmm... that just doesn't sound right. i say kill the mofo. he's a worthless wasted life and doesn't deserve the air he breathes even if it is cold stagnant prison air.
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Just saying it is hard for me to comprehend that you are against the death penalty but you are for necrophelia, cannabilism, and beastiality. I mean, come one.....you have to see the "irony" in all of this.
Just like my last post here stated lol.
I don't see the irony either. How are social topics like Necrophelia, Cannabilism and beastiality comparable to punishments for crime such as the death penalty?
They are very different things that have little to do with each other.
of course you dont. You were into cannibalism, incest, and necrophilia lol. Usually when people are into those sorta things, those people will not be able to see the irony. Your post: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2292738#2292738
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Just saying it is hard for me to comprehend that you are against the death penalty but you are for necrophelia, cannabilism, and beastiality. I mean, come one.....you have to see the "irony" in all of this.
Just like my last post here stated lol.
I don't see the irony either. How are social topics like Necrophelia, Cannabilism and beastiality comparable to punishments for crime such as the death penalty?
They are very different things that have little to do with each other.
They're connected 'cause if I find some guy eating my neighbors son with a side of bacon, I'll kill the bastard where his sick ass stands.
I find out the morgue intern was screwing my dead grandma for kicks, I'll kill the bastard where his sick ass stands.
I find my neighbor screwing my German Shepherd, I'll kill the bastard where his sick ass stands.
So they have everything to do with each other.
exactly.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Yeah that discussion was really, really disturbing. Did I mention that I wasn't surprised to see those particular sentiments, and now this from mmorpg fans
It has always been my opinion that mmos, due to their nature, attract...
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