Bah cant the kiddies stop comparing the only mmo they have played with everything that is new... it's getting so so so old soon probably older then most the people doing it.
You can barely ever completely satisfy somebody, especially a gamer, especially an MMO player.
The graphics are not as bad as people are making out (especially since a large percent of them came from WoW of all games). They're not the greatest either, but WAR's supposed (I haven't played the game much yet, waiting till the 18, even if I have early access :P) stability will make up for it. A game heavily based on large-scale PvP needs to find a good balance between Graphics, Stability and Performance... from the look of it, WAR has succeeded.
I wouldn't say ugly - I would say outdated. Other games have proven you can go low end on the poly count and still have a great atmosphere. Sadly, WAR does not create a great atmosphere with their look. It is almost like they merged DaoC and WoW graphics and then turned down the shiny. I always argue toward gameplay over look but - seriously Mythic, it is 2008.
The retail client will probably contain higher resolution textures and more advanced lighting effects. AA and AF isn't in beta as well.
Ppl keep saying this but I cant find any official word on it ..... can someone confirm this ??
I.E point me to a link besides ppl in forums saying it ??
I hope its true ofc
As far as I know this is something that was made up on the interwebz and spread like wildfire. I got my CE in the mail last night and as a matter of fact it wont even patch. The only thing that has been mentioned are improving in game settings such as draw distance and adding AA and AF settings for the client.
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Honestly the bottom line is people need something and will find something to complain about. For me personally the graphics are fine, and I could really care less about how it looks as long as I am having fun. For others if the game doesn't look like Crysis on max then they think it sucks. To each thier own.
Excellent post:
To me the graphics in War are great, they did a very good job of capturing the look and feel of the Wahammer game while still keeping fram rates high. I would rather be able to run 50fps with good graphics than 10 fps with great graphics (VIDEO LAG=DEATH in PVP).
I personally love playing Crysis on max but with those kinds of graphics performance becomes a serious issue with more than a few people on screen. Look at AoC with 20 people fighting at once and the spell effects going off, its worse that slow motion replay till some people die and my pc can run Crysis at 33fps with max settings.
If the graphics are highend and complex, what do people complain about? - "I cant enter the capital city, I get like 2 frames"
- "Damn necros and all their pets, every time im close to one my framerate goes to hell!"
- "I cant target him, im getting like no frames with all these people around" This endless whining id hear almost daily in AoC. Yes the game was very preety and graphically advanced, but what effect would you have on a large amount of people when the action got complex? Their frame rates would tank and they would become ineffective and unresponsive. So do people REALLY expect to have the majority of people be able to have a playable game when there are 100+ people in your immediate proximity? The RvR battles in WAR get huge. There are no artificial limitations like in AoC. So if you get 200 people showing up at your keep to break down the doors, do you think it will be fun if youre getting 1 FPS? Mythic chose gameplay over graphics, THANK GOD. If graphics were king, games like AoC and Crysis would be ruling supreme and scraping everyone else from the bottom of their boots. And a game like WoW, with cartoony pastel color graphics with trees that looked like squares would have bombed within 6 months. WoW is complete proof that gameplay is more important than graphics, and like it or not, a smart developer will invest more resources into gameplay than graphics. Funcom did it backwards, and ask anyone who has played the endgame, fancy graphics mean nothing if you have a severe lack of content. Therefore with WAR, we are stuck with "ugly graphics" such as the pics I took yesterday:
There is a diffrence between bad graphics and simplistic graphics.
WoW = incredibly well done simplistic graphical style
WAR = Very shoddy attempt at simplistic graphics. Stuff don't really meld together in a nice looking fashion. To me it looks alike they had some rather talented artists mixed up with som rather bad/lazy ones.
I can except the bland landscapes as a sacrifice for mass PvP. What's confusing is how bad the animations are. The running annimations for all the Desto. chars I played was very bad. The spell and melee animations were really weak too.
As I said, having average graphics is a fair price for working mass PvP, what is annoying is all the fanbois who are trying to convince people that the graphics are "amazing" or "better than wow."
I can except the bland landscapes as a sacrifice for mass PvP. What's confusing is how bad the animations are. The running annimations for all the Desto. chars I played was very bad. The spell and melee animations were really weak too. As I said, having average graphics is a fair price for working mass PvP, what is annoying is all the fanbois who are trying to convince people that the graphics are "amazing" or "better than wow."
Indeed. Mythic seems to have put all energy in the gameplay. So be it. Game's fun in the beginning (playin the 5-Bucks-EU-Preoder to have a look).
But the whole presentation - gfx, artwork, animations, soundeffects, music, lore - is outdated and mediocre at best. Besides Mass-PVP and PQs there is nothing special that makes a difference between WAR and those who were smart enough to copy WAR's (Tabletop) look years before.
Clunky elves, dwarves & orcs. A polished game for average-joe-fantasy-lover. But not thaaat special.
I can except the bland landscapes as a sacrifice for mass PvP. What's confusing is how bad the animations are. The running annimations for all the Desto. chars I played was very bad. The spell and melee animations were really weak too. As I said, having average graphics is a fair price for working mass PvP, what is annoying is all the fanbois who are trying to convince people that the graphics are "amazing" or "better than wow."
Indeed. Mythic seems to have put all energy in the gameplay. So be it. Game's fun in the beginning (playin the 5-Bucks-EU-Preoder to have a look).
But the whole presentation - gfx, artwork, animations, soundeffects, music, lore - is outdated and mediocre at best. Besides Mass-PVP and PQs there is nothing special that makes a difference between WAR and those who were smart enough to copy WAR's (Tabletop) look years before.
Clunky elves, dwarves & orcs. A polished game for average-joe-fantasy-lover. But not thaaat special.
I agree, but if I do play any mmo coming out, ot'll be for the story, and the gameplay, graphics arent as important- so long as they are up to standards with the rest of the gen, hell i mean even gw is fine. Im more about what makes it different, pvp, and gameplay.
If the graphics are highend and complex, what do people complain about? - "I cant enter the capital city, I get like 2 frames"
- "Damn necros and all their pets, every time im close to one my framerate goes to hell!"
- "I cant target him, im getting like no frames with all these people around" This endless whining id hear almost daily in AoC. Yes the game was very preety and graphically advanced, but what effect would you have on a large amount of people when the action got complex? Their frame rates would tank and they would become ineffective and unresponsive. So do people REALLY expect to have the majority of people be able to have a playable game when there are 100+ people in your immediate proximity? The RvR battles in WAR get huge. There are no artificial limitations like in AoC. So if you get 200 people showing up at your keep to break down the doors, do you think it will be fun if youre getting 1 FPS? Mythic chose gameplay over graphics, THANK GOD. If graphics were king, games like AoC and Crysis would be ruling supreme and scraping everyone else from the bottom of their boots. And a game like WoW, with cartoony pastel color graphics with trees that looked like squares would have bombed within 6 months. WoW is complete proof that gameplay is more important than graphics, and like it or not, a smart developer will invest more resources into gameplay than graphics. Funcom did it backwards, and ask anyone who has played the endgame, fancy graphics mean nothing if you have a severe lack of content. Therefore with WAR, we are stuck with "ugly graphics" such as the pics I took yesterday:
The game looks gorgeous. The areas look alive, and great, the characters look fantastic. And it has a nice feel.
I'm not gonna say it's better then any other game. I don't have to.
If you honestly can even say its anything close to wow, or that it's drastically less then AoC. Then your downright foolish, a troll, and need to gtfo off the forums. You can not like the style. That's fine. But don't try to bring in facts of it's quality when your so full of crap.
And lotro? Seriously, decent environments(if a bit generic). But TERRIBLE models, and HORRIBLE armor appearances.
WAR has a good blend when it comes to graphics and how much that will compromise the gameplay
Having seen realsitic and high textures boobs in AOC moving at 2 frames per second I prefer to go with WAR which has no lag no FPS drop no stuttering even with a full battle orgy ate its best
The only part of the graphics is in the character selection screen
"And lotro? Seriously, decent environments(if a bit generic). But TERRIBLE models, and HORRIBLE armor appearances." - Bladin, don't smoke to much while playing, hurts your eyes.
Awaiting my new 4870 and my WAR CE copy tomorrow. From the screenshots, graphics looks good.
But if gamplay is as good as many say, I don't mind if it looks worse then Lotro or AOC.
Stupid attack moves? So you do not believe a combo system is better then just button mashing the same thing over and over? What are/were your major problems with AoC? Can you then compare the two games and how you think WAR is better?
combo is the same after a while, and yes, AoC as issues, like, what did they promised, and what did they add into the game....these are some issues, and after all, i can imagine this computer playing AoC 1680x1050 full graphics and its OK, but i cant imagine my brother playing with 20 guys on his range AoC even on low.
Stupid attack moves? So you do not believe a combo system is better then just button mashing the same thing over and over? What are/were your major problems with AoC? Can you then compare the two games and how you think WAR is better?
combo is the same after a while, and yes, AoC as issues, like, what did they promised, and what did they add into the game....these are some issues, and after all, i can imagine this computer playing AoC 1680x1050 full graphics and its OK, but i cant imagine my brother playing with 20 guys on his range AoC even on low.
WAR is balanced, AoC isnt.
Ahh so blame the pc for AoC but not WAR.. classic. All MMOs have issues and guess what they always will.
Ahh so blame the pc for AoC but not WAR.. classic. All MMOs have issues and guess what they always will.
Yeah, but AoC's issues are numerous and really, really bad. WAR's issues are minute. WAR's gameplay is so superior to AoC is not even remotely funny.
Ok what issues in AoC are really really bad?
Also please explain how WAR's gameplay is so far superior to AoC's. And lets try to keep this as a discussion and not just a rant or flame war. I am really interested in your thoughts and valid points.
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Bah cant the kiddies stop comparing the only mmo they have played with everything that is new... it's getting so so so old
soon probably older then most the people doing it.
Define awesome. I have the game forced to 16x AF and 8xAA. still nothing spectacular that you claim.
Short answer? No.
Long answer? Nooooooooooooooo.
For every person you make happy, you piss off two, one who liked the status quo and one who wanted the changes to be done differently.
You can barely ever completely satisfy somebody, especially a gamer, especially an MMO player.
The graphics are not as bad as people are making out (especially since a large percent of them came from WoW of all games). They're not the greatest either, but WAR's supposed (I haven't played the game much yet, waiting till the 18, even if I have early access :P) stability will make up for it. A game heavily based on large-scale PvP needs to find a good balance between Graphics, Stability and Performance... from the look of it, WAR has succeeded.
Tried: WoW
Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
Playing: DAoC.
Waiting For: SW:TOR.
I wouldn't say ugly - I would say outdated. Other games have proven you can go low end on the poly count and still have a great atmosphere.
Sadly, WAR does not create a great atmosphere with their look. It is almost like they merged DaoC and WoW graphics and then turned down the shiny.
I always argue toward gameplay over look but - seriously Mythic, it is 2008.
You might like Age of Conan...
Tried: WoW
Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
Playing: DAoC.
Waiting For: SW:TOR.
Ppl keep saying this but I cant find any official word on it ..... can someone confirm this ??
I.E point me to a link besides ppl in forums saying it ??
I hope its true ofc
As far as I know this is something that was made up on the interwebz and spread like wildfire. I got my CE in the mail last night and as a matter of fact it wont even patch. The only thing that has been mentioned are improving in game settings such as draw distance and adding AA and AF settings for the client.
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Excellent post:
To me the graphics in War are great, they did a very good job of capturing the look and feel of the Wahammer game while still keeping fram rates high. I would rather be able to run 50fps with good graphics than 10 fps with great graphics (VIDEO LAG=DEATH in PVP).
I personally love playing Crysis on max but with those kinds of graphics performance becomes a serious issue with more than a few people on screen. Look at AoC with 20 people fighting at once and the spell effects going off, its worse that slow motion replay till some people die and my pc can run Crysis at 33fps with max settings.
There is a diffrence between bad graphics and simplistic graphics.
WoW = incredibly well done simplistic graphical style
WAR = Very shoddy attempt at simplistic graphics. Stuff don't really meld together in a nice looking fashion. To me it looks alike they had some rather talented artists mixed up with som rather bad/lazy ones.
I can except the bland landscapes as a sacrifice for mass PvP. What's confusing is how bad the animations are. The running annimations for all the Desto. chars I played was very bad. The spell and melee animations were really weak too.
As I said, having average graphics is a fair price for working mass PvP, what is annoying is all the fanbois who are trying to convince people that the graphics are "amazing" or "better than wow."
Indeed. Mythic seems to have put all energy in the gameplay. So be it. Game's fun in the beginning (playin the 5-Bucks-EU-Preoder to have a look).
But the whole presentation - gfx, artwork, animations, soundeffects, music, lore - is outdated and mediocre at best. Besides Mass-PVP and PQs there is nothing special that makes a difference between WAR and those who were smart enough to copy WAR's (Tabletop) look years before.
Clunky elves, dwarves & orcs. A polished game for average-joe-fantasy-lover.
But not thaaat special.
Indeed. Mythic seems to have put all energy in the gameplay. So be it. Game's fun in the beginning (playin the 5-Bucks-EU-Preoder to have a look).
But the whole presentation - gfx, artwork, animations, soundeffects, music, lore - is outdated and mediocre at best. Besides Mass-PVP and PQs there is nothing special that makes a difference between WAR and those who were smart enough to copy WAR's (Tabletop) look years before.
Clunky elves, dwarves & orcs. A polished game for average-joe-fantasy-lover.
But not thaaat special.
I agree, but if I do play any mmo coming out, ot'll be for the story, and the gameplay, graphics arent as important- so long as they are up to standards with the rest of the gen, hell i mean even gw is fine. Im more about what makes it different, pvp, and gameplay.
It looks like a well designed world.
Been playing the past couple hours... i'm no master of screenshotting but.
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I'm not even running on that uber of a computer.
The game looks gorgeous. The areas look alive, and great, the characters look fantastic. And it has a nice feel.
I'm not gonna say it's better then any other game. I don't have to.
If you honestly can even say its anything close to wow, or that it's drastically less then AoC. Then your downright foolish, a troll, and need to gtfo off the forums. You can not like the style. That's fine. But don't try to bring in facts of it's quality when your so full of crap.
And lotro? Seriously, decent environments(if a bit generic). But TERRIBLE models, and HORRIBLE armor appearances.
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Dont blame de game if ur computer cant do this...
Looks fine
"I am not a robot. I am a unicorn."
WAR has a good blend when it comes to graphics and how much that will compromise the gameplay
Having seen realsitic and high textures boobs in AOC moving at 2 frames per second I prefer to go with WAR which has no lag no FPS drop no stuttering even with a full battle orgy ate its best
The only part of the graphics is in the character selection screen
"And lotro? Seriously, decent environments(if a bit generic). But TERRIBLE models, and HORRIBLE armor appearances." - Bladin, don't smoke to much while playing, hurts your eyes.
Awaiting my new 4870 and my WAR CE copy tomorrow. From the screenshots, graphics looks good.
But if gamplay is as good as many say, I don't mind if it looks worse then Lotro or AOC.
You just proved OP's point. Bump for the truth.
Looks a bit better then wow, but its no where close to AoC. Now if AoC ever gets its !@#$ straight look out!
Looking at the viewing distance:
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Some Nice water:
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Looks a bit better then wow, but its no where close to AoC. Now if AoC ever gets its !@#$ straight look out!
Looking at the viewing distance:
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Some Nice water:
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but AoC has issues, and everyone knows it, i played it and same shit everywhere is damn boring....
stupid atk moves, and not the liberty ingame that WAR offers
"I am not a robot. I am a unicorn."
Stupid attack moves? So you do not believe a combo system is better then just button mashing the same thing over and over?
What are/were your major problems with AoC? Can you then compare the two games and how you think WAR is better?
combo is the same after a while, and yes, AoC as issues, like, what did they promised, and what did they add into the game....these are some issues, and after all, i can imagine this computer playing AoC 1680x1050 full graphics and its OK, but i cant imagine my brother playing with 20 guys on his range AoC even on low.
WAR is balanced, AoC isnt.
"I am not a robot. I am a unicorn."
combo is the same after a while, and yes, AoC as issues, like, what did they promised, and what did they add into the game....these are some issues, and after all, i can imagine this computer playing AoC 1680x1050 full graphics and its OK, but i cant imagine my brother playing with 20 guys on his range AoC even on low.
WAR is balanced, AoC isnt.
Ahh so blame the pc for AoC but not WAR.. classic. All MMOs have issues and guess what they always will.
Yeah, but AoC's issues are numerous and really, really bad. WAR's issues are minute. WAR's gameplay is so superior to AoC is not even remotely funny.
Yeah, but AoC's issues are numerous and really, really bad. WAR's issues are minute. WAR's gameplay is so superior to AoC is not even remotely funny.
Ok what issues in AoC are really really bad?
Also please explain how WAR's gameplay is so far superior to AoC's. And lets try to keep this as a discussion and not just a rant or flame war. I am really interested in your thoughts and valid points.