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TheHavok
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1v1: DoK and WP.
Scenarios: Chosen.
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well I can tell you now that 1v1 DoK and WP is not going to go anywhere....ever! if they are evenly matched in level and gear that is. I have been in 1 on 1 fights with equal geared/level DoK's on WP and it was a stalemate with no sign of letting up. After about 5-8 minutes of beating on each other we decided to both bow and go our merry way. The balance between the two is too perfect lol.
I'd say your DoK vs WP isn't so much "the balance is perfect." Instead, its' just that the healing capacity of both classes is greater than their capacity to damage.
There's been surprisingly few Chosen in scenarios I've been in. They're pretty tanky, but I'm not sure there's any nastier than, say, an Ironbreaker.
DoK was my second favorite class in beta. Have never played a healer class like it in any other game. I love the design. It's cool having to beat up on people in order to keep healing. Forces you right into the action. Didn't get to pvp very much because it was last class I tried but they are unbelievable in PvE. I could take on mobs of 5-6 without any difficulty and solo kill champions with ease. When running around the tier 1 RvR area I came across a lone white lion and he went down fast 1 vs 1.
Speaking from the point of vew of a healer/dps (playing shaman) its the ranged dpsers that tear me to shreds. The amount of times I've come up against a wall of witch hunters and been blasted limb from limb.
I'm not sure what the tank situation is like on other servers but destro is missing 'em on my realm. You feel so squishy when dps can freely run upto you and start bashing away. The one or two that are present seem to get mistaken with WoW warriors - just charging in without any form of back up. But anywho, I digress.
But yeah my vote goes to witch-hunter for most feared class in senarios.
You guys aren't catching what Havoc means. He is not talking about Dok vs WP. He means overall in a 1 on 1 battle, a Warrior Priest or DoK will beat any other class.
In scenerio / group PvP Chosen are ridiculously powerful. I think they are overpowered in all aspects of PvP. Give them a 2 handed weapon and they will 3 -4 hit kill anything that is not a tank.
Dunno, I eat Chosen for breakfast with my Swordmaster 1v1... and I can hold off a bunch of them in a chokepoint if I got some kind of a healer behind me. But it is a matter of player skill as well - a very good player has a chance against me. Anyway I got that impression that I do have an edge with SM against Chosen.
Goblin Shamen, on the other hand, are seriously overpowered. Nerf those green buggers!
(joking ofc, its a rock-paper-scissors thing as intented)
Did fine against DoK with my swordmaster.
They are hard to kill but past that meh. If I went with the Hoeth path silence and the Khaine path AP sapping pretty sure I would kill em nice and fine with a 2hander espeically with dazzling strike extra build times.
Or laster on one the classes that makes healing get 50% reduced or damages you whenever you cast a spell.
Anyway anyone can be killed in WAR.
Ironbreakers defintely can hold ground than a Chosen hands down
But you will be supprised that in all the scenatiors that Destruction won in the top 5 kills was made by atleast 3 chosen always
I have a chosen and most of the time I have ended up in the top 3.
Instead of shield we can switch for a double handed axe or sword thats puts down good damage
Pain in the a** is to see the Dwarfs in opposite grp Damn they can hold and heal like crazy.
Witch Hunters, WP and Bright Wizard are squishy targets and easy kills.My favourite classes to wack.
The game uses a rock, paper, scissors formula so of course a witch hunter (and witch elf) will be most devastating to a caster. However, Chosen bring a little more to the table. All chosen are hard to take down, whether they have a sword and board or are rocking the two hander.
The reason why I list them overpowered is not because they are the best tanks in the game. In my opinion Ironbreakers are the best tanks due to their many interrupts, push backs, and amazing survivability (at the cost of low dps compared to other tanks.) No, the reason why Chosen are the most overpowered class in the game is because of the Discord tree.
The Discord tree is the Chosen's Magic spec. Many people do not even think about a Chosen doing magic damage and being effect, but it really makes them dominate in scenarios. Sure, they do not have the dps of witch elves and witch hunters, but they follow close behind and they MORE then make up for it with their survivability. This, in the long run, gives Chosen the potential to always top the damage and kill charts.
Honestly, I see it being nerfed in the future.
I would bet that alot of the experiences being recounted here will change in tier 2 and on. Over half the people in the scenarios are lvl 2-7. Most of them still have their nub gear on because they either haven't quested for any upgrades or they don't know where the reknown merchant is. Even with the rank bonus in effect if all you have on is level 1 gear, chances are you are going to go down no matter what you run into.
The game uses a rock, paper, scissors formula so of course a witch hunter (and witch elf) will be most devastating to a caster. However, Chosen bring a little more to the table. All chosen are hard to take down, whether they have a sword and board or are rocking the two hander.
The reason why I list them overpowered is not because they are the best tanks in the game. In my opinion Ironbreakers are the best tanks due to their many interrupts, push backs, and amazing survivability (at the cost of low dps compared to other tanks.) No, the reason why Chosen are the most overpowered class in the game is because of the Discord tree.
The Discord tree is the Chosen's Magic spec. Many people do not even think about a Chosen doing magic damage and being effect, but it really makes them dominate in scenarios. Sure, they do not have the dps of witch elves and witch hunters, but they follow close behind and they MORE then make up for it with their survivability. This, in the long run, gives Chosen the potential to always top the damage and kill charts.
Honestly, I see it being nerfed in the future.
Nerfed? Are you serious lol? Unless your an elder tester or talked to an elder tester you have no clue about spec builds yet. Also I have talked to multiple elder testers and all of them pretty much agree on one thing. Chosen are powerfull late tier1 and tier2. Starting in tier3 they seem to fall off. Tier4 they are one of the weakest classes. Of course everyones opinion will differ. But to be calling for or even thinking about nerfs this early is terrible. If we are going to call nerf this early I say nerf the healers. At least in tier1 they are a major pain in the ass to kill and you simply WONT kill them in tier1 unless they suck or you get 3+ people on them. Tier 2 they seem alittle easier to kill though so nah, dont nerf them. Hell dont nerf any classes till people start hitting 40 and only if one class is glaringly overpowered.
DoK's and WP's get dropped pretty easy by anyone with a bit of range and a snare. They've actually got to hit you to heal since the only other method for getting essence/RF after they're out is a channeled ability. Also Discord spec isn't nearly as good in practice as it is on paper, mostly because of all the willpower debuffs, disrupt debuffs, and undefendable attacks in the game. Still very fun though, especially if you're in a tight group and the RDPS start throwing out AoEs, take 100+ damage for every person in your party that they hit. If you get a bunch of seeping wounds out (if it hasn't been changed that is) healers who throw a lot of HoTs basically kill themselves.
I have followed all these "nerf the class" or "this class is overpowered" threads and I think just about every class has been mentioned
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There seems to be most calling for the heads of healers its like "OMG nerf the runepriest I just cant kill him,I mean he ermm heals himself and I cant 1 or 2 shot him"
Or indeed "omg nerf the chosen,that guy takes alot of dmg its almost like he is a tank"
I agree with xenogias and let the nerf bat stay in the draw until the game has been played alot at level 40 and see where we all stand then.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
The game uses a rock, paper, scissors formula so of course a witch hunter (and witch elf) will be most devastating to a caster. However, Chosen bring a little more to the table. All chosen are hard to take down, whether they have a sword and board or are rocking the two hander.
The reason why I list them overpowered is not because they are the best tanks in the game. In my opinion Ironbreakers are the best tanks due to their many interrupts, push backs, and amazing survivability (at the cost of low dps compared to other tanks.) No, the reason why Chosen are the most overpowered class in the game is because of the Discord tree.
The Discord tree is the Chosen's Magic spec. Many people do not even think about a Chosen doing magic damage and being effect, but it really makes them dominate in scenarios. Sure, they do not have the dps of witch elves and witch hunters, but they follow close behind and they MORE then make up for it with their survivability. This, in the long run, gives Chosen the potential to always top the damage and kill charts.
Honestly, I see it being nerfed in the future.
Nerfed? Are you serious lol? Unless your an elder tester or talked to an elder tester you have no clue about spec builds yet. Also I have talked to multiple elder testers and all of them pretty much agree on one thing. Chosen are powerfull late tier1 and tier2. Starting in tier3 they seem to fall off. Tier4 they are one of the weakest classes. Of course everyones opinion will differ. But to be calling for or even thinking about nerfs this early is terrible. If we are going to call nerf this early I say nerf the healers. At least in tier1 they are a major pain in the ass to kill and you simply WONT kill them in tier1 unless they suck or you get 3+ people on them. Tier 2 they seem alittle easier to kill though so nah, dont nerf them. Hell dont nerf any classes till people start hitting 40 and only if one class is glaringly overpowered.
Exactly, xenogias. It's way too early in the game to be talking nerf. Besides, if Mythic starts swinging nerf bats around this soon I'm pretty sure that'd be bad PR.
The game uses a rock, paper, scissors formula so of course a witch hunter (and witch elf) will be most devastating to a caster. However, Chosen bring a little more to the table. All chosen are hard to take down, whether they have a sword and board or are rocking the two hander.
The reason why I list them overpowered is not because they are the best tanks in the game. In my opinion Ironbreakers are the best tanks due to their many interrupts, push backs, and amazing survivability (at the cost of low dps compared to other tanks.) No, the reason why Chosen are the most overpowered class in the game is because of the Discord tree.
The Discord tree is the Chosen's Magic spec. Many people do not even think about a Chosen doing magic damage and being effect, but it really makes them dominate in scenarios. Sure, they do not have the dps of witch elves and witch hunters, but they follow close behind and they MORE then make up for it with their survivability. This, in the long run, gives Chosen the potential to always top the damage and kill charts.
Honestly, I see it being nerfed in the future.
Nerfed? Are you serious lol? Unless your an elder tester or talked to an elder tester you have no clue about spec builds yet. Also I have talked to multiple elder testers and all of them pretty much agree on one thing. Chosen are powerfull late tier1 and tier2. Starting in tier3 they seem to fall off. Tier4 they are one of the weakest classes. Of course everyones opinion will differ. But to be calling for or even thinking about nerfs this early is terrible. If we are going to call nerf this early I say nerf the healers. At least in tier1 they are a major pain in the ass to kill and you simply WONT kill them in tier1 unless they suck or you get 3+ people on them. Tier 2 they seem alittle easier to kill though so nah, dont nerf them. Hell dont nerf any classes till people start hitting 40 and only if one class is glaringly overpowered.
Actually, half my guild consist of Eldar testers and they all agree with me. Yea, I should have waited till people were hitting end game to make my post. But, I still believe that Chosen will end up the way they were right before closed beta ended, and that is dominating in the right setup. I forget the name of the it, but on warhammermovies.com there is a video of a shaman and a chosen duo completely destroying groups just because the chosen's damaging auras and the shamans healing.
I's true. I ended up going WP after my poll and I went to Norsca earlier (open/rp server) and saw a lvl 8 destro, killed it, then saw a lvl 9 and 9 team, killed them, killed another 2-3 people then a level 11 came with a healer, and after playing with them for a few minutes, I walked back to a camp and they fled.
Then I went to that island CP and killed two more people, a DoK and whatever the dual wielding shadow elves are called, both lvl 9.
I was level 10. I've stood against same-level chosen who couldn't break my regen even with their healer helping at times. It's really hard to time right but if you do it right WP are awesome for running around it seems, plus they have the DPS to kill other healers if you get the jump on them, which is good for going with some DPsers to get behind the lines.
I think that I'm overpowered, because I seem to do well with most classes I try. my archmage is first place in healing... well, every scenario I played today, and I still managed to be near the top in damage. also when I was in groups with decent people, I died... 0-1 times per match.
I think teamwork means more than class balance any day. a tank guarding my archmage and we could duo up to 5 destruction most of the time, add 3 more order and thanks to DoKs not knowing how to heal we could hold deaths charge against their entire team the whole game.
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Gamestop is overpowered. Nerf Gamestop!
The reason healers have to be powerful is because they get gang banged, and it would suck if they were fragile. You would simply die repeatedly. The game is balanced for group combat with different roles in mind and it is balanced very well.
yup i was in tier 1 RVR these bugger swordmaster were damn difficult to put down
Wow Each class feels the other is over powered Guess the game is balanced alright.
I felt the Ironbreakers were more powered also swordmaster .
In scenarious everyone complains Chosem ( my toon ) is way over powered
Glad in this game as yet there is no one shotting people
agreed
i see a chosen closing up and no way to get away? afk.....
I totally agree, 4 days in the game and people start crying"nerf this class".I play a WP when we face players who know how to play thier class and play as a team they can take me down but when we meet Rambo on the battlefield he goes down in a blink of an eye.
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Seems like everyone is telling different stories, even they were all beta tester.
In this thread they talk about the DOK which is called here as one of the most overpowered class 1v1, well in this thread the class is called as the weakest ingame.
really strange that the opinions are so different
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107822
I agree, however it seems that some people aren't graspoing what you're saying here. Allow me to simplify it
1v1: DoK and WP. (that's and, not versus. He's not talking about the pair fighting eachother, but fighting other classes)
Sorry, just had to clear that up