I have to admit....I didn't read all 20 pages of posts. I read the title of the OP's post, and the thing that immediately came to mind is:
It's a little EARLY and ENTIRELY unrealistic, to predict WoW losing it's ENTIRE player base. I mean really....think about it. There are still people playing the original Everquest. O.o So the OP's statement....is really, actually....sort of delusional and even a bit well....stupid. No offense, of course.
LOTRO is a great game. WoW is better than LOTRO, the subs prove it. WAR will be less successful than LOTRO. The only thing WAR has going for it is the realm versus realm feature. If that doesn't pan out, WAR will wither away.
Subs never show, how good a game is, it just shows how good the advertisement is, wake up
advertising only goes so far. Fact is, if WoW wasn't a good game, they wouldn't have RETAINED that number of subscriptions for long. Take a look at SWG. SWG actually had advertising done for it as well, and yet, that game is DEEEEEAAAAAAAD!
I'll believe it after everyones first thirty, I'm not a WAR basher or a WoW lover, but this debate comes up every other month with every new game that looks shiny and has bells and whistles... Besides.. who cares.. People who want WoW to die, dont even play it, and people who call the new games failures dont even play or plan on playing them... So how does it affect you personally? It doesnt.. ANyway I'm ranting and going off on a tangent, heh, sorry..
My prediction...six months after launch WAR will have will have WELL under 1 million subscribers and will have its subscriber base trending downward. Why ? The game doesn't have "legs" ......poor rvr....almost nonexistent crafting....poor class development etc etc.The game has no STRONG reason why someone should continue to resubscribe month after month. The other main reason....MYTHIC"S reputation for endless nerf's will be manifest again, as it has been in DAOC and will serve to drive some players out.
My prediction...six months after launch WAR will have will have WELL under 1 million subscribers and will have its subscriber base trending downward. Why ? The game doesn't have "legs" ......poor rvr....almost nonexistent crafting....poor class development etc etc.The game has no STRONG reason why someone should continue to resubscribe month after month. The other main reason....MYTHIC"S reputation for endless nerf's will be manifest again, as it has been in DAOC and will serve to drive some players out.
ok, i get it..your not going to buy it..dont speak for anyone else tho, cause as far as im concerned your "prediction" is useless.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
WAR is nothing more than Guild Wars with less instances and some other PvP/RvR features added on top of the scenarios. The PvE is horrible, and almost non-existent. That is why WAR will not dominate the MMORPG market.
Anyone who thinks it will dominate the MMORPG market is really really clueless. Do not fool yourselves so...
Playing WAR is akin to Playing Unreal Tournament. Go online, kill a few poeple, smile, then logoff and go play a game with more content and depth.
I have good news, and some bad news! Good news, More then half of WoW subscribers aren't actually players, but bots, gold sellers, farmers, or inactive accounts. Which means most of the people have left WoW, but not for WAR. Bad news WoW will always exist because it sucks. WAR can be a better game but WoW has a bunch of people who won't leave WoW for crap, litterally, the games crap! Why subscribers won't leave? because more then half, like i said earlier, aren't actual players. So the game will be full of crap tastic gold sellers and farmers and thats enough to keep WoW going. Anyways the people in WoW can stay in WoW were they can use every varient of *fag* and *gay* as much as they wanit. Stop being a worry wort over WoW's subscribers cause its all bs.
You should reread your own post, and think about what you just said.
You failed rather hard. People are playing money for something that sucks. Every month. I pay money for something that sucks every month.
Wake up call, I am paying every month because it is still the best MMO out there. It is not crap, you only don't like it.
Well, go call me a WoW fanboy because I explain this too you, but these are single facts too. I hardly see bots in WoW, so half the population aren't bots. Also hose numbers where based on active accounts. Why are you changing the facts? So you can sleep better at night? So the bad WoW monster doesn't come and get you from underneath your bed?
Fail.
Now, back to the main topic, I don't think WAR is having such a impact. WoW is still a great game, but it is more offering a doorstep into MMO world for "normal" gamers. They have very polished content, also alot of it, game is running smooth and low system requirements. Onlly the fact that we don't like raiding that much or arena, doesn't mean WoW sucks. Most of the game have still the basics of WoW (or should I say EQ 1?), and that is the layout of quests, levels and such.
I am going to play WAR, that is for sure, but mainly because it has the best of WoW (quests) and some new nice stuff I like( PvP focused, RvR). Now, don't say that is bullcrap what I just said, but I experienced the game that way through beta and OB.
Actually I posted a thread for the players by the players on mmorpg about 3 weeks ago and guss what, WoW isn't the best game out there. I had a poll for everyone to vote what they think the best game is and most of them said WAR, so yes WAR is having the impact your just too damn ignorant to see that. I am not going to answer all your other questions about me being a WoW h8er or anything else like that cause I don't feel like answering to a WoW fanboy. Yes every month you pay for a game that sucks everymonth. I don't know why you do but you do. Call me a WoW hater as much as you want I just hate WoW as much as the other guy who has comon sense and won't play a game full of 13-19year olds.
You can jump up and down and from left to right as much as you want, the facts are that World of Warcraft has received more awards, better review scores and more subscribers than any other mmorpg out there, and WAR will not change that. In fact, I'd be more than happy to make a bet with you: WAR will not get the same scores, awards or subscribers WoW has.
mmorpg.com has never been a representation of the mmorpg genre and never will be. It once listed EVE online, an mmo with at the time barely 200k subscribers as "Best mmorpg around".
I have good news, and some bad news! Good news, More then half of WoW subscribers aren't actually players, but bots, gold sellers, farmers, or inactive accounts. Which means most of the people have left WoW, but not for WAR. Bad news WoW will always exist because it sucks. WAR can be a better game but WoW has a bunch of people who won't leave WoW for crap, litterally, the games crap! Why subscribers won't leave? because more then half, like i said earlier, aren't actual players. So the game will be full of crap tastic gold sellers and farmers and thats enough to keep WoW going. Anyways the people in WoW can stay in WoW were they can use every varient of *fag* and *gay* as much as they wanit. Stop being a worry wort over WoW's subscribers cause its all bs.
You should reread your own post, and think about what you just said.
You failed rather hard. People are playing money for something that sucks. Every month. I pay money for something that sucks every month.
Wake up call, I am paying every month because it is still the best MMO out there. It is not crap, you only don't like it.
Well, go call me a WoW fanboy because I explain this too you, but these are single facts too. I hardly see bots in WoW, so half the population aren't bots. Also hose numbers where based on active accounts. Why are you changing the facts? So you can sleep better at night? So the bad WoW monster doesn't come and get you from underneath your bed?
Fail.
Now, back to the main topic, I don't think WAR is having such a impact. WoW is still a great game, but it is more offering a doorstep into MMO world for "normal" gamers. They have very polished content, also alot of it, game is running smooth and low system requirements. Onlly the fact that we don't like raiding that much or arena, doesn't mean WoW sucks. Most of the game have still the basics of WoW (or should I say EQ 1?), and that is the layout of quests, levels and such.
I am going to play WAR, that is for sure, but mainly because it has the best of WoW (quests) and some new nice stuff I like( PvP focused, RvR). Now, don't say that is bullcrap what I just said, but I experienced the game that way through beta and OB.
Actually I posted a thread for the players by the players on mmorpg about 3 weeks ago and guss what, WoW isn't the best game out there. I had a poll for everyone to vote what they think the best game is and most of them said WAR, so yes WAR is having the impact your just too damn ignorant to see that. I am not going to answer all your other questions about me being a WoW h8er or anything else like that cause I don't feel like answering to a WoW fanboy. Yes every month you pay for a game that sucks everymonth. I don't know why you do but you do. Call me a WoW hater as much as you want I just hate WoW as much as the other guy who has comon sense and won't play a game full of 13-19year olds.
Is there an age restriction on WAR? Oh gasp! No there isnt is there! Well I hope you have fun playing WAR with all of those 13-19 year olds that you hate so much who have come straight from WoW.......yeah ya know......WoW......that game that WAR is based on.
ps. You're an idiot but your posts provide an amusing read
I never once said im playing WAR.
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We can all carry on the argument of WoW fanbois and WoW haters and it will last forever. No one will win. Maybe a few people will change their minds but thats up to them to decide and not for us. I am not going to reply to anymore quotes about me because there are so god damned many. I do no like WoW, never will, and WoW isn't the best game out there, popularity doesn't mean anything. I am no going to play WAR because it simple isnt my type of game. I'm going to play CoH/V were everyone is lay-back, casual gamers who just want to have fun. Until I get into the stargate beta or play Biowares mmorpg I will stay in a game that is active, casual, constantly updated, active, and fun. You guys can all play your "WoW" or WAR where you can argue and argue and cause as much drama as you want.
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Actually I posted a thread for the players by the players on mmorpg about 3 weeks ago and guss what, WoW isn't the best game out there. I had a poll for everyone to vote what they think the best game is and most of them said WAR
Did it ever occur to you that MMORPG is filled to the brim with people who have not had a decent new MMO to play in the last 4 years? 3 months ago, people were cheering how awesome Conan was going to be. Before that Vanguard was going to lead the way to a next generation of MMOs. on and on and on and on.
Warhammer is decent. It will do extremely well at launch and for a while after that. Then the grind will set in and people will flip flop back and forth between WoW/War when ever they want to change things up.
You seem like the type of person who will be back here every other week saying how awesome Warhammer is and then blaming all the problems in the game on Warcraft.
deckatre:
Uhm....I hate, I mean REALLY hate to break this to you. But not EVERYONE who plays MMOs even READS these forum sites, much less...posts on them. A survey of any kind either here, or on any other gaming forum, is nothing more then the opinions of the people on the forum that actually happened to read your post and bother to respond. That number....is a looooooong way off from the number of people international that actually SUBSCRIBE to MMOs.
Just thought I'd mention that.
Daffid011:
QFT. Gamers do seem to jump on whatever is the latest bandwagon and ride it until a wheel falls off.
It's almost as if we're looking for that PERFECT game....which is ever so elusive. There are probably good things about each and every MMO out there, but....not a ONE of them is the be all end all definition of gaming perfection. I'm not even sure that is an idea that can EVER be realized, BECAUSE......gamers come in all different personalities, and what is the "best game" for one, may be total CRAP to another.
I don't know if I will ever understand the seemingly innate desire to defend (sometimes vehemently) your "game of choice." Or mine....
No game is going to please everyone. Everyone should just play the games that DO please them. Do games really NEED our sworn loyalty and defense? O.o I'm not giving ANY of them MINE, anyway. I will play what I enjoy....always.....and that game or games might change every few months. I, for one, am not signing a blood oath with ANY developer. I'll keep playing as long as I'm having fun. Afterall, that's what I'm paying for.
And yeah, I agree with you. WAR seemed pretty decent to me....nothing life changing, but good, enjoyable, solid. I feel, "meh" it's okay. I certainly don't hate it. I don't just LOVE it. But it's a good game, and I think it will do well....until something else comes along again and people go running off in THAT direction next. LOL We crazy gamers. hehe
Oh yeah, I forgot to add:
(this is not to a particular poster)
I'm going to play AT WAR a little for a month, since I did pay 50 bucks for it. But...I'm not leaving WoW, or EQ2, or any of the other games that I play. (I do, admittedly, play WoW the MOST.)
I'm not a WoW "fangirl/fanboi", nor am I a WAR Hater. I play what I enjoy. I pay my gaming bills so that I can play WHAT I want....WHEN I want. And no one else's opinion is very likely to change what I simply find enjoyable. Honestly....everyone should learn to make their own decisions. Granted, I'm an adult. I'm not going to follow 15 people off a bridge should they decide to jump.
Try analyzing your OWN FEELINGS and thoughts about each game and making your OWN decisions. Trust me....these are TINY decisions compared to some of the ones that await you in adulthood.
If by "killer" you mean beat WoW's subscription numbers, of course WAR isn't going to do that. It's not a game with enough mass appeal, because it's RvR oriented, to garner 10 mil subs, IMO.
Hopefully WAR is good enough to get enough subs to be profitable, meaning it's worth the large investment to make a good AAA MMORPG.
LOTRO is a great game. WoW is better than LOTRO, the subs prove it. WAR will be less successful than LOTRO. The only thing WAR has going for it is the realm versus realm feature. If that doesn't pan out, WAR will wither away.
Subs never show, how good a game is, it just shows how good the advertisement is, wake up
advertising only goes so far. Fact is, if WoW wasn't a good game, they wouldn't have RETAINED that number of subscriptions for long. Take a look at SWG. SWG actually had advertising done for it as well, and yet, that game is DEEEEEAAAAAAAD!
SWG is dead because it's bevelopers tried to simplify the game and turn it into WoW instead of leaving things complex like the players wanted.. and if anyone tries to argue the fact then why did the game loose over 80% of it's players when the NGE (WoW change) go live?
Originally posted by Antaran SWG is dead because it's bevelopers tried to simplify the game and turn it into WoW instead of leaving things complex like the players wanted.. and if anyone tries to argue the fact then why did the game loose over 80% of it's players when the NGE (WoW change) go live?
SWG was slowly murdered over 2 years. The players gave SOE every chance in the world to make good on promise after promise. The goal of what the NGE was trying to emulate isn't what killed the game, it was the greed and disrespect for the players that did it. They broke the last bond of trust and did it in such a way it was the biggest fuck you! to a group of customers I can think of. They deleted years of player in game efforts without so much as an I'm sorry or even listening to players suggestions.
The fact that the game was blown so far back into the depths of pre-alpha state didn't help.
WAR is a farily well done game that does have appeal to the PVP crowd, this game is not going to go away, as for the impact it will have on WOW that remains to be seen but keep in mind that WOrld of Warcraft has well over 100 PVP servers. Also keep in mind that even though WOW has 10 mil in subscribers it could have had 20 mil easily if it were able to retain the subscribers that it did loose; many people tried WOW as I have but me like many others left WOW and when we left it we left it a long time ago.
There's between 50mil to 70mil online gamers, not everyone of them is playing an MMORPG a ton of them are floaters, killing time or doing god knows what there's a hudge market potential in MMO's WOW has proved it.
Also keep in mind that WAR will eventually hit ASIA, and PVP as we know appeals to them the most so I should think that WAR will do fairly well there.
Will WAR overtake World of Warcraft? Does it have to? There's different games for different people, plus there's a ton of floaters out there not playing anyhting easily 3X the population of WOW. WAR should bring in a good chunk of subs but they don't necessairly have to be from WOW, World of Warcraft might feel the pinch a little bit since they have over 100 PVP servers so they will loose people in the short term and long term so there will be an impact the question is how big.
WAR at it's peak should have anywhere from 3.5mil to 6mil, and that's my general estimate; it all depends on how many PVPers WOW looses, how many floaters subscribe to WAR and what kind of impact WAR will have on the asian market.
What a novel concept. You mean people still play games that they like and dont just jump on the over-hyped mass-marketed fanboi bandwagon? Geez, and here I was waiting for the next WoW killer before I decided to invest my time and effort into "playing" a game.
The 10 million subscriber base includes Asia to which Warhammer has not yet been picked up. Therefore in reality, it won't happen. Warhammer will be a great game, and most likely take spot number 2. But unless it expands its horizons, it will fall short. And that's a fact! :P
However it is expanding it's horizon.
They are the 1st to do a simultaneous launch in Europe, US, and Oceania.
WoW doesnt even have real Oceanic servers afaik.
They are also launching in Russia early 2009, I don't think WoW has Russian servers either ... ?
Then they will start working on the Asian region, so far they announced Korea, China, Taiwan and Japan.
I am not saying that WAR will be as big in Asia as it is in the West and Russia, but they will go there.
I never thought it would be possible, but with the quality and FUN game they have and the strategical moves they are making ( Oceanic and Russian servers ), their future looks bright, I dare to say they will surpass WoW numbers in the West ( with the Oceanic and Russian numbers included ).
Greetz
WAR just opend up some russian servers recently
Not AFAIK, only unofficial Russian servers ...
Why would they ( Russians ) otherwise make some EU servers the "Unofficial Russian Servers" ?
Greetz
There is a seperate Russian game client and servers in WoW.
WARHAMMER ONLINE is coming out this Thursday 18th Sept 2008! Savour your remaining days WoW, you have kept the seat warm for WAR... But do not worry World of Warcraft, you will not disappear into oblivion... You will merely become just another face in the crowd. Take care everyone! SUBMIT to WAR!!
your done! no, seriously!
in a comparison, wow would be the devil. war would be a demon. the devil has been around to long and is to strong for some demon to come and try to take his thrown. if your a religious person then im sorry. another comparison would be..war is krillin at the very start of dbz, and wow would be vegeta. no comprende? war is a kitten and wow would be a lion!
im not a wow fanboi or anything, but i dont think war has the potential to do anything to wow, not to mention that war is boring to me. thats a personal opinion though
WotLK launches, WAR will have many ghost servers. I don't think WAR's approach, providing a dumbed down version of WoW is going to keep subs. If you're going to stay in WAR long time, my advice is to roll on the highest pop server you can find.
sory but dumbed down version of wow? theres no such thing! please tell me how wow is far superior to war in complexity...cause frankly they are on the same playing field...with war having a slight (and i mean slight) edge over wow due to rvr. Ottherwise, complexity wise, they are identical. SImple and fun games for the pvpr (war) or pver (wow) to enjoy
WotLK launches, WAR will have many ghost servers. I don't think WAR's approach, providing a dumbed down version of WoW is going to keep subs. If you're going to stay in WAR long time, my advice is to roll on the highest pop server you can find.
sory but dumbed down version of wow? theres no such thing! please tell me how wow is far superior to war in complexity...cause frankly they are on the same playing field...with war having a slight (and i mean slight) edge over wow due to rvr. Ottherwise, complexity wise, they are identical. SImple and fun games for the pvpr (war) or pver (wow) to enjoy
Providing a dumbed down version of WoW is going to keep subs.
Are you retarded? More like - More features than WoW had after more than one year of being available and still catering to SKILL aka PvP. Absolute ignorance is all that was spewed from your post there hahaha. But yes, they did remove a certain degree of stupidity from their PvE, so I guess that means it's dumbed down as in the dumb factor was lessened.
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The best thing that could happen for every one is that WAR and WoW battle it out, it will make both games better.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
I have to admit....I didn't read all 20 pages of posts. I read the title of the OP's post, and the thing that immediately came to mind is:
It's a little EARLY and ENTIRELY unrealistic, to predict WoW losing it's ENTIRE player base. I mean really....think about it. There are still people playing the original Everquest. O.o So the OP's statement....is really, actually....sort of delusional and even a bit well....stupid. No offense, of course.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Subs never show, how good a game is, it just shows how good the advertisement is, wake up
advertising only goes so far. Fact is, if WoW wasn't a good game, they wouldn't have RETAINED that number of subscriptions for long. Take a look at SWG. SWG actually had advertising done for it as well, and yet, that game is DEEEEEAAAAAAAD!
agreed ...
I'll believe it after everyones first thirty, I'm not a WAR basher or a WoW lover, but this debate comes up every other month with every new game that looks shiny and has bells and whistles... Besides.. who cares.. People who want WoW to die, dont even play it, and people who call the new games failures dont even play or plan on playing them... So how does it affect you personally? It doesnt.. ANyway I'm ranting and going off on a tangent, heh, sorry..
My prediction...six months after launch WAR will have will have WELL under 1 million subscribers and will have its subscriber base trending downward. Why ? The game doesn't have "legs" ......poor rvr....almost nonexistent crafting....poor class development etc etc.The game has no STRONG reason why someone should continue to resubscribe month after month. The other main reason....MYTHIC"S reputation for endless nerf's will be manifest again, as it has been in DAOC and will serve to drive some players out.
ok, i get it..your not going to buy it..dont speak for anyone else tho, cause as far as im concerned your "prediction" is useless.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
WAR is nothing more than Guild Wars with less instances and some other PvP/RvR features added on top of the scenarios. The PvE is horrible, and almost non-existent. That is why WAR will not dominate the MMORPG market.
Anyone who thinks it will dominate the MMORPG market is really really clueless. Do not fool yourselves so...
Playing WAR is akin to Playing Unreal Tournament. Go online, kill a few poeple, smile, then logoff and go play a game with more content and depth.
You should reread your own post, and think about what you just said.
You failed rather hard. People are playing money for something that sucks. Every month. I pay money for something that sucks every month.
Wake up call, I am paying every month because it is still the best MMO out there. It is not crap, you only don't like it.
Well, go call me a WoW fanboy because I explain this too you, but these are single facts too. I hardly see bots in WoW, so half the population aren't bots. Also hose numbers where based on active accounts. Why are you changing the facts? So you can sleep better at night? So the bad WoW monster doesn't come and get you from underneath your bed?
Fail.
Now, back to the main topic, I don't think WAR is having such a impact. WoW is still a great game, but it is more offering a doorstep into MMO world for "normal" gamers. They have very polished content, also alot of it, game is running smooth and low system requirements. Onlly the fact that we don't like raiding that much or arena, doesn't mean WoW sucks. Most of the game have still the basics of WoW (or should I say EQ 1?), and that is the layout of quests, levels and such.
I am going to play WAR, that is for sure, but mainly because it has the best of WoW (quests) and some new nice stuff I like( PvP focused, RvR). Now, don't say that is bullcrap what I just said, but I experienced the game that way through beta and OB.
Actually I posted a thread for the players by the players on mmorpg about 3 weeks ago and guss what, WoW isn't the best game out there. I had a poll for everyone to vote what they think the best game is and most of them said WAR, so yes WAR is having the impact your just too damn ignorant to see that. I am not going to answer all your other questions about me being a WoW h8er or anything else like that cause I don't feel like answering to a WoW fanboy. Yes every month you pay for a game that sucks everymonth. I don't know why you do but you do. Call me a WoW hater as much as you want I just hate WoW as much as the other guy who has comon sense and won't play a game full of 13-19year olds.
You can jump up and down and from left to right as much as you want, the facts are that World of Warcraft has received more awards, better review scores and more subscribers than any other mmorpg out there, and WAR will not change that. In fact, I'd be more than happy to make a bet with you: WAR will not get the same scores, awards or subscribers WoW has.
mmorpg.com has never been a representation of the mmorpg genre and never will be. It once listed EVE online, an mmo with at the time barely 200k subscribers as "Best mmorpg around".
You should reread your own post, and think about what you just said.
You failed rather hard. People are playing money for something that sucks. Every month. I pay money for something that sucks every month.
Wake up call, I am paying every month because it is still the best MMO out there. It is not crap, you only don't like it.
Well, go call me a WoW fanboy because I explain this too you, but these are single facts too. I hardly see bots in WoW, so half the population aren't bots. Also hose numbers where based on active accounts. Why are you changing the facts? So you can sleep better at night? So the bad WoW monster doesn't come and get you from underneath your bed?
Fail.
Now, back to the main topic, I don't think WAR is having such a impact. WoW is still a great game, but it is more offering a doorstep into MMO world for "normal" gamers. They have very polished content, also alot of it, game is running smooth and low system requirements. Onlly the fact that we don't like raiding that much or arena, doesn't mean WoW sucks. Most of the game have still the basics of WoW (or should I say EQ 1?), and that is the layout of quests, levels and such.
I am going to play WAR, that is for sure, but mainly because it has the best of WoW (quests) and some new nice stuff I like( PvP focused, RvR). Now, don't say that is bullcrap what I just said, but I experienced the game that way through beta and OB.
Actually I posted a thread for the players by the players on mmorpg about 3 weeks ago and guss what, WoW isn't the best game out there. I had a poll for everyone to vote what they think the best game is and most of them said WAR, so yes WAR is having the impact your just too damn ignorant to see that. I am not going to answer all your other questions about me being a WoW h8er or anything else like that cause I don't feel like answering to a WoW fanboy. Yes every month you pay for a game that sucks everymonth. I don't know why you do but you do. Call me a WoW hater as much as you want I just hate WoW as much as the other guy who has comon sense and won't play a game full of 13-19year olds.
Is there an age restriction on WAR? Oh gasp! No there isnt is there! Well I hope you have fun playing WAR with all of those 13-19 year olds that you hate so much who have come straight from WoW.......yeah ya know......WoW......that game that WAR is based on.
ps. You're an idiot but your posts provide an amusing read
I never once said im playing WAR.
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We can all carry on the argument of WoW fanbois and WoW haters and it will last forever. No one will win. Maybe a few people will change their minds but thats up to them to decide and not for us. I am not going to reply to anymore quotes about me because there are so god damned many. I do no like WoW, never will, and WoW isn't the best game out there, popularity doesn't mean anything. I am no going to play WAR because it simple isnt my type of game. I'm going to play CoH/V were everyone is lay-back, casual gamers who just want to have fun. Until I get into the stargate beta or play Biowares mmorpg I will stay in a game that is active, casual, constantly updated, active, and fun. You guys can all play your "WoW" or WAR where you can argue and argue and cause as much drama as you want.
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(names used in previous games)
-Desitre -Desiboy -Verra -Auroras Borealis -Scaven
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looking forward to...
Bioware's MMORPG
Stargate
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Did it ever occur to you that MMORPG is filled to the brim with people who have not had a decent new MMO to play in the last 4 years? 3 months ago, people were cheering how awesome Conan was going to be. Before that Vanguard was going to lead the way to a next generation of MMOs. on and on and on and on.
Warhammer is decent. It will do extremely well at launch and for a while after that. Then the grind will set in and people will flip flop back and forth between WoW/War when ever they want to change things up.
You seem like the type of person who will be back here every other week saying how awesome Warhammer is and then blaming all the problems in the game on Warcraft.
deckatre:
Uhm....I hate, I mean REALLY hate to break this to you. But not EVERYONE who plays MMOs even READS these forum sites, much less...posts on them. A survey of any kind either here, or on any other gaming forum, is nothing more then the opinions of the people on the forum that actually happened to read your post and bother to respond. That number....is a looooooong way off from the number of people international that actually SUBSCRIBE to MMOs.
Just thought I'd mention that.
Daffid011:
QFT. Gamers do seem to jump on whatever is the latest bandwagon and ride it until a wheel falls off.
It's almost as if we're looking for that PERFECT game....which is ever so elusive. There are probably good things about each and every MMO out there, but....not a ONE of them is the be all end all definition of gaming perfection. I'm not even sure that is an idea that can EVER be realized, BECAUSE......gamers come in all different personalities, and what is the "best game" for one, may be total CRAP to another.
I don't know if I will ever understand the seemingly innate desire to defend (sometimes vehemently) your "game of choice." Or mine....
No game is going to please everyone. Everyone should just play the games that DO please them. Do games really NEED our sworn loyalty and defense? O.o I'm not giving ANY of them MINE, anyway. I will play what I enjoy....always.....and that game or games might change every few months. I, for one, am not signing a blood oath with ANY developer. I'll keep playing as long as I'm having fun. Afterall, that's what I'm paying for.
And yeah, I agree with you. WAR seemed pretty decent to me....nothing life changing, but good, enjoyable, solid. I feel, "meh" it's okay. I certainly don't hate it. I don't just LOVE it. But it's a good game, and I think it will do well....until something else comes along again and people go running off in THAT direction next. LOL We crazy gamers. hehe
Oh yeah, I forgot to add:
(this is not to a particular poster)
I'm going to play AT WAR a little for a month, since I did pay 50 bucks for it. But...I'm not leaving WoW, or EQ2, or any of the other games that I play. (I do, admittedly, play WoW the MOST.)
I'm not a WoW "fangirl/fanboi", nor am I a WAR Hater. I play what I enjoy. I pay my gaming bills so that I can play WHAT I want....WHEN I want. And no one else's opinion is very likely to change what I simply find enjoyable. Honestly....everyone should learn to make their own decisions. Granted, I'm an adult. I'm not going to follow 15 people off a bridge should they decide to jump.
Try analyzing your OWN FEELINGS and thoughts about each game and making your OWN decisions. Trust me....these are TINY decisions compared to some of the ones that await you in adulthood.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
If by "killer" you mean beat WoW's subscription numbers, of course WAR isn't going to do that. It's not a game with enough mass appeal, because it's RvR oriented, to garner 10 mil subs, IMO.
Hopefully WAR is good enough to get enough subs to be profitable, meaning it's worth the large investment to make a good AAA MMORPG.
Subs never show, how good a game is, it just shows how good the advertisement is, wake up
advertising only goes so far. Fact is, if WoW wasn't a good game, they wouldn't have RETAINED that number of subscriptions for long. Take a look at SWG. SWG actually had advertising done for it as well, and yet, that game is DEEEEEAAAAAAAD!
SWG is dead because it's bevelopers tried to simplify the game and turn it into WoW instead of leaving things complex like the players wanted.. and if anyone tries to argue the fact then why did the game loose over 80% of it's players when the NGE (WoW change) go live?
SWG was slowly murdered over 2 years. The players gave SOE every chance in the world to make good on promise after promise. The goal of what the NGE was trying to emulate isn't what killed the game, it was the greed and disrespect for the players that did it. They broke the last bond of trust and did it in such a way it was the biggest fuck you! to a group of customers I can think of. They deleted years of player in game efforts without so much as an I'm sorry or even listening to players suggestions.
The fact that the game was blown so far back into the depths of pre-alpha state didn't help.
WAR is a farily well done game that does have appeal to the PVP crowd, this game is not going to go away, as for the impact it will have on WOW that remains to be seen but keep in mind that WOrld of Warcraft has well over 100 PVP servers. Also keep in mind that even though WOW has 10 mil in subscribers it could have had 20 mil easily if it were able to retain the subscribers that it did loose; many people tried WOW as I have but me like many others left WOW and when we left it we left it a long time ago.
There's between 50mil to 70mil online gamers, not everyone of them is playing an MMORPG a ton of them are floaters, killing time or doing god knows what there's a hudge market potential in MMO's WOW has proved it.
Also keep in mind that WAR will eventually hit ASIA, and PVP as we know appeals to them the most so I should think that WAR will do fairly well there.
Will WAR overtake World of Warcraft? Does it have to? There's different games for different people, plus there's a ton of floaters out there not playing anyhting easily 3X the population of WOW. WAR should bring in a good chunk of subs but they don't necessairly have to be from WOW, World of Warcraft might feel the pinch a little bit since they have over 100 PVP servers so they will loose people in the short term and long term so there will be an impact the question is how big.
WAR at it's peak should have anywhere from 3.5mil to 6mil, and that's my general estimate; it all depends on how many PVPers WOW looses, how many floaters subscribe to WAR and what kind of impact WAR will have on the asian market.
TS is either a fanboy or hates WoW to say that XD
" I play what I enjoy "
What a novel concept. You mean people still play games that they like and dont just jump on the over-hyped mass-marketed fanboi bandwagon? Geez, and here I was waiting for the next WoW killer before I decided to invest my time and effort into "playing" a game.
oh noes...xfire stats just dropped by 25% in wow!
lol...sorry had too :P
However it is expanding it's horizon.
They are the 1st to do a simultaneous launch in Europe, US, and Oceania.
WoW doesnt even have real Oceanic servers afaik.
They are also launching in Russia early 2009, I don't think WoW has Russian servers either ... ?
Then they will start working on the Asian region, so far they announced Korea, China, Taiwan and Japan.
I am not saying that WAR will be as big in Asia as it is in the West and Russia, but they will go there.
I never thought it would be possible, but with the quality and FUN game they have and the strategical moves they are making ( Oceanic and Russian servers ), their future looks bright, I dare to say they will surpass WoW numbers in the West ( with the Oceanic and Russian numbers included ).
Greetz
WAR just opend up some russian servers recently
Not AFAIK, only unofficial Russian servers ...
Why would they ( Russians ) otherwise make some EU servers the "Unofficial Russian Servers" ?
Greetz
There is a seperate Russian game client and servers in WoW.
your done! no, seriously!
in a comparison, wow would be the devil. war would be a demon. the devil has been around to long and is to strong for some demon to come and try to take his thrown. if your a religious person then im sorry. another comparison would be..war is krillin at the very start of dbz, and wow would be vegeta. no comprende? war is a kitten and wow would be a lion!
im not a wow fanboi or anything, but i dont think war has the potential to do anything to wow, not to mention that war is boring to me. thats a personal opinion though
WotLK launches, WAR will have many ghost servers.
I don't think WAR's approach, providing a dumbed down version of WoW is going to keep subs.
If you're going to stay in WAR long time, my advice is to roll on the highest pop server you can find.
sory but dumbed down version of wow? theres no such thing! please tell me how wow is far superior to war in complexity...cause frankly they are on the same playing field...with war having a slight (and i mean slight) edge over wow due to rvr. Ottherwise, complexity wise, they are identical. SImple and fun games for the pvpr (war) or pver (wow) to enjoy
sory but dumbed down version of wow? theres no such thing! please tell me how wow is far superior to war in complexity...cause frankly they are on the same playing field...with war having a slight (and i mean slight) edge over wow due to rvr. Ottherwise, complexity wise, they are identical. SImple and fun games for the pvpr (war) or pver (wow) to enjoy
yeah, both simple mindless games
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Are you retarded? More like - More features than WoW had after more than one year of being available and still catering to SKILL aka PvP. Absolute ignorance is all that was spewed from your post there hahaha. But yes, they did remove a certain degree of stupidity from their PvE, so I guess that means it's dumbed down as in the dumb factor was lessened.