another sandbox player, with angst against everything else. Nothing to see here, move along.
And I can agree with everyone that this was never going to be a sandbox game. I knew that while testing the game and yet I still purchased retail (I always do because it is the least I can do to support a title that I spent time with) That really isn't the issue.
But does it have to be so MM0 i.e. Massively Monumentally Zero depth?
I know that it has to be simple, basic and shallow so that the RvR can be played on low end machines..
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"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
I think this game will fill a gap for the nintendo-turned-PC crowd... but like many have said, perhaps we need a new term for Massive Multiplayer Online Diablo, like this game, that makes it distinctive from MMORPGs... ... that is if my fears are not coming true and those have actually gone extinct.
I am going to try the Waaagh later this weekend. (Have yet to try those little buggers and healing is my shtik) I guess Diablo kept people playing for quite some time and this seems to be well in line with that style of game only with RvR slightly more refined. But, I am not a person that just jumps in to smack-downs over and over and over. PvP needs to mean something even in a quasi-psuedo-RPG and I have not had that sence from this game. I think this game will fill a gap for the nintendo-turned-PC crowd... but like many have said, perhaps we need a new term for Massive Multiplayer Online Diablo, like this game, that makes it distinctive from MMORPGs... ... that is if my fears are not coming true and those have actually gone extinct.
Actually I do not think this is a true MMORPG honestly, maybe a new genre needs to be created. EQ, SWG, and even WoW were true MMORPGs. WoW might have dumbed things down but it still has the whole MMORPG feel.
WAR again in my opinion is not in the true sense a MMORPG, it reminds more of Planetside in some respects. So to judge this as a MMORPG in a sandbox world is unfair and unrealistic. Maybe we can call them MMOGFs (gank fests) games I don't know but I do not see much of an RPG in here.
That said I feel this game has issues, the GC is not necessary or too long, the server lag in mass PvP is horrid and this game will not run in mass RvR on min specs, I would even vouch to say a dual core 3+ megs of ram and a 8800GT or better as a min spec to run mass rvr. The spell animations are meh, character customization the same meh, but I heard it was done so each class had a different look in PvP so there is not a lot of difference say between chosen A and Chosen B. The PQs get repetitive by chapter 8 I wanted to pull my eyeballs out grinding for gear, since T2 RvR on my server was not huge so the PQs had the dope gear for now.
Again to the OP a well written rant ans sadly you are on the mark but I don't think this game should be classified as a MMORPG.
another sandbox player, with angst against everything else. Nothing to see here, move along.
And I can agree with everyone that this was never going to be a sandbox game. I knew that while testing the game and yet I still purchased retail (I always do because it is the least I can do to support a title that I spent time with) That really isn't the issue.
But does it have to be so MM0 i.e. Massively Monumentally Zero depth?
I know that it has to be simple, basic and shallow so that the RvR can be played on low end machines..
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This game will never play well on low end machines as it stands now in mass RvR, which in effect might actually be it's achillies heel.
There are still a lot of active games that will give you what you are looking for. There are about 500 old threads you can dig up about how WoW ruined the genre by being so successful with such a casual and shallow game causing developers to follow in their footsteps that you could post on. I personally agree with the side that WoW hurt the genre more than it helped, but I miss the old days. Particularly when these forums were filled with excitement about launches and we discussed the games.
There are still a lot of active games that will give you what you are looking for. There are about 500 old threads you can dig up about how WoW ruined the genre by being so successful with such a casual and shallow game causing developers to follow in their footsteps that you could post on. I personally agree with the side that WoW hurt the genre more than it helped, but I miss the old days. Particularly when these forums were filled with excitement about launches and we discussed the games.
If you try and discuss the cons of a game anymore you get decimated by the fanbois, I feel there are some very signifcant issues with WAR which I just posted but I know I will be flamed by fanbois.
There are still a lot of active games that will give you what you are looking for. There are about 500 old threads you can dig up about how WoW ruined the genre by being so successful with such a casual and shallow game causing developers to follow in their footsteps that you could post on. I personally agree with the side that WoW hurt the genre more than it helped, but I miss the old days. Particularly when these forums were filled with excitement about launches and we discussed the games.
If you try and discuss the cons of a game anymore you get decimated by the fanbois, I feel there are some very signifcant issues with WAR which I just posted but I know I will be flamed by fanbois.
Yeah well before we discussed the good and bad in a constructive way. Ever since the game that shall not be named has come out it's extreme in both directions. I only remember seeing one or two well put together posts discussing the negatives of the game, and they have a lot of good discussion about it.
Well I tried in the last few posts for constructive criticsism in this thread, but my two biggest issues are the server imbalance and the server lag in large scale RvR. Which in the end could hurt this game for those that like to play an RvR game, I mean lets be serious the PvE here is lame and not very engrossing, the PQs were/are a brilliant idea but as I said by chapter 8 it felt just like any grind in WoW or worse.
Well I tried in the last few posts for constructive criticsism in this thread, but my two biggest issues are the server imbalance and the server lag in large scale RvR. Which in the end could hurt this game for those that like to play an RvR game, I mean lets be serious the PvE here is lame and not very engrossing, the PQs were/are a brilliant idea but as I said by chapter 8 it felt just like any grind in WoW or worse.
Well it's weird but after installed the discs, or after the 4 hour downtime this morning, the game got much more stable for me. I had more people on screen in WAR than i've had in any MMO short of some crazy events and it ran smooth. I think they have done a great job with scaling whatever they scale. Server inbalance could be an issue but I have a feeling if it gets too bad on a server Mythic will think of something to help it. I enjoy overcoming the odds anyway, but yeah these are valid concerns.
Are you having trouble in RvR with your machine? I think this is the best MMO for massive battles I have ever played short of FFXI, but in FFXI it just stops rendering characters so if there are 500 around you you only see 20 or 30.
RvR on Skull Throne was a slide show, so I rolled a toon on a low pop server to check it out to make sure it was not my rig. The game ran smooth as silk for the most part in High Qual so I decided to stay there, we even did a Keep raid last night with 1 warband and it ran decent but towards the end of the night things felt really really sluggish. 3 people though were complaining about server lag or whatever and disbanded from the warband.
so on a low pop server I ran pretty good on a high pop it was like a slide show, that seems to me like server lag or memory leak issues on their side.
Oh BTW I have not installed my new disks because Best Buy screwed up my order and now I can't even play since the new patch went live. I could rant about the shaddy oh it is no longer the 22 grace period issue but I am tired lol.
People keep saying that the PVE in WAR is lame but I fail to see what is lame about it. It has quests and PVE dungeons just like many other MMO's what else would you like for PVE. If you like to grind do PQ's till your eyes bleed. Have problems finding a group use the public party system no more spamming "need a grp invite pls " shit. If you wanna solo to max level you can do so as I have yet to come across a quest that needed a full grp.
So please tell me what is lame about the PVE I just dont see what else is needed. Rep grinds maybe but infamy from public quests can be considered that. Only valid complaint I can see is that people dont use the chat channels very often but usually when an MMO releases its "this game sucks" or " well WOW does this or has that" the fact that im not seeing that stuff tells me that people are busy doing stuff in PVE.
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RvR on Skull Throne was a slide show, so I rolled a toon on a low pop server to check it out to make sure it was not my rig. The game ran smooth as silk for the most part in High Qual so I decided to stay there, we even did a Keep raid last night with 1 warband and it ran decent but towards the end of the night things felt really really sluggish. 3 people though were complaining about server lag or whatever and disbanded from the warband. so on a low pop server I ran pretty good on a high pop it was like a slide show, that seems to me like server lag or memory leak issues on their side.
Yeah I had this up until last night also with a ton of people on screen. After todays downtime though and installing the discs it is gone. I am in a keep battle with at least 100 people around fighting and it is running as smooth as if there was 12 on screen. I do have a decent machine though. I did have the stuttering, but again it's gone now.
hehe, Yes JBlah. I was able to tolerate AoC for almost the entire month before I realized it simply was not going to be a good game. However, Warbummer is Diablo. If we were running over med-kits I would say it was closer to Doom or Castle Wolfenstein I just don't understand why I am seeing games like Tablua Rasa (which would be fun on a PSP or something about at that level) or a game like AoC that simply missed... well missed whatever mark it was shooting for. Warbummer could easily have been made in the last decade of the twentieth century. I am almost certain I have this game somewhere on floppy disks for an Amiga I have a computer that can is oozing videoRAM across the floor, down the stairs and out in to my koi pond... why must I be subjected to games that are clunky, linear, slotcar styles nintendo PUG multiperson shooter thingies
Is depth really something that is outdated? Are complex characters really not a selling point for the nintendo kiddiots? I didn't have high hopes that this game would hold my attention. But sheesh. This is really not the quality I would have expected or am I completely missing the concept and this clunky, 1990's style game was done this way on purpose to ... to what? Make it like the pen and paper version?
You are completely missing the concept. The game is centered around RvR which can involve hundreds of players at a time. There really isn't much more to be said about it.
I can sum up my feelings on Warhammer - Age of Disappointment with a cockney voiced police officer motioning people away from a twitching corpse... "Move 'long now laddies, der 'b nothin's ta see 'ere." (though to be honest I really didn't expect this game would be for me... and I was underwhelmed even with that level of expectation.) So what happened to RPGs? With 'Warbummer' following in the footsteps of such classic disappointments as Age of Conan O'Brian & Pablum Rasa what is going on here? To quell the fanbois (though they can't take any dissent from the god-worship of whichever game has yet to show up on their mother's credit card statement) Yes, I have played both Realm factions. Yes, I am trying most of the 'different' (and I use that word losely) character classes. Yes, I have leveled past 10th. Yes, I have both teamed and soloed... ad infinitum - ad nausium. But what I have been playing is a clunky 1990's game, reminiscent of some outdated Diablo-Nintendo hybrid mutant PUG... thing. What the hell happened to RPGs where the sandbox was deeper than what I brought in stuck on the bottom of my sandals?
This OP's thread is like they played Madden NFL then saying its shit cause you cant run off the field and tackle crowd members and then go to the carpark and drive cars around.
I'll sum up your post:
I didnt think i'd like this game, woah what do you know - i didnt, RPGs suck nowadays, i'll go play my 1990's Diablo/Nintendo game, why arent all RPGs Sandbox Games??!?!?
Anyways, not all developers go full sandbox because of one common complaint.....gamers say "what the hell do i do now?". Linear Gameplay has a purpose it keeps people active.
Everyone has different tastes, theres many companies making different games, go look for them.
Complaining about RPGs in general not being sandbox in a WAR forum is stupid.
..complex game?...being myself over 30++++ aged , i tell you that life is enough complex that the last thing that you want is stayng front a pc with another very complex thingie to solve...
..I understand of course that maybe your life cant be enough complex just now..but it will become, does not matter if you are poor, rich, fat , thin, ecc..
I can sum up my feelings on Warhammer - Age of Disappointment with a cockney voiced police officer motioning people away from a twitching corpse... "Move 'long now laddies, der 'b nothin's ta see 'ere." (though to be honest I really didn't expect this game would be for me... and I was underwhelmed even with that level of expectation.) So what happened to RPGs? With 'Warbummer' following in the footsteps of such classic disappointments as Age of Conan O'Brian & Pablum Rasa what is going on here? To quell the fanbois (though they can't take any dissent from the god-worship of whichever game has yet to show up on their mother's credit card statement) Yes, I have played both Realm factions. Yes, I am trying most of the 'different' (and I use that word losely) character classes. Yes, I have leveled past 10th. Yes, I have both teamed and soloed... ad infinitum - ad nausium. But what I have been playing is a clunky 1990's game, reminiscent of some outdated Diablo-Nintendo hybrid mutant PUG... thing. What the hell happened to RPGs where the sandbox was deeper than what I brought in stuck on the bottom of my sandals?
New to MMOs? If you want roleplaying then gather together with friends and play pen & paper RPGs, because MMOs have never really been about roleplaying. As for having a deep sandbox game with RPG, I have no idea wtf you're talking about. You must be one of the pissed off SWG "fans". Even if this type of game ever exsisted, what the hell were you expecting from WAR? It never ever ever described itself as a sandbox game and no one that has a clue about the MMO market would expect ANY MMO to feature indepth roleplaying experience (because it doesn't exsist in electronic gaming).
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
People keep saying that the PVE in WAR is lame but I fail to see what is lame about it. It has quests and PVE dungeons just like many other MMO's what else would you like for PVE. If you like to grind do PQ's till your eyes bleed. Have problems finding a group use the public party system no more spamming "need a grp invite pls " shit. If you wanna solo to max level you can do so as I have yet to come across a quest that needed a full grp. So please tell me what is lame about the PVE I just dont see what else is needed. Rep grinds maybe but infamy from public quests can be considered that. Only valid complaint I can see is that people dont use the chat channels very often but usually when an MMO releases its "this game sucks" or " well WOW does this or has that" the fact that im not seeing that stuff tells me that people are busy doing stuff in PVE.
Ill have to agree with this. I mean what is a sandbox other then a grind? So wther its killing mobs over and over to raise that skill or doing 3 different PQs to gain inful I dont see a difference.
Also I would like to see a Nintendo game from the 90s that matchs this in graphics.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
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Look at the response you got. Feel better now? Get those secondary gains met?
But really, sorry you don't like the game. Suggestion. You don't like it, don't play it. Easy enough to fix.
Coming here to state an opinion on a game is fine, but you are just provoking people. Pretty sad really, unless you really are drama queen and stirring crap gives you jollies. (Can you say borderline personality traits boys and girlz)
That being said.... Nothing personal, I get a kick out of posts like yours and how upset some people can get about someone talking down a GAME they like.
Anyway, hope you find a game that tickles your sweet spot. I just hope you keep making drama dragging, crap stirring posts like this.... Those type of posts give me a reason to keep checking out this site while at work.
I can sum up my feelings on Warhammer - Age of Disappointment with a cockney voiced police officer motioning people away from a twitching corpse... "Move 'long now laddies, der 'b nothin's ta see 'ere." (though to be honest I really didn't expect this game would be for me... and I was underwhelmed even with that level of expectation.) So what happened to RPGs? With 'Warbummer' following in the footsteps of such classic disappointments as Age of Conan O'Brian & Pablum Rasa what is going on here? To quell the fanbois (though they can't take any dissent from the god-worship of whichever game has yet to show up on their mother's credit card statement) Yes, I have played both Realm factions. Yes, I am trying most of the 'different' (and I use that word losely) character classes. Yes, I have leveled past 10th. Yes, I have both teamed and soloed... ad infinitum - ad nausium. But what I have been playing is a clunky 1990's game, reminiscent of some outdated Diablo-Nintendo hybrid mutant PUG... thing. What the hell happened to RPGs where the sandbox was deeper than what I brought in stuck on the bottom of my sandals?
Darkfall might be more of what you're looking for as I share the same sentiments as you. And btw, "Age of Conan O'Brian"...ROTFL, classic! ha!
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I agree with you OP, I'm actually sad today, because I think I might just have to give up MMO's. Every MMO released in the last 4 years has been horrible and WAR the game I had been looking forward to for 3 years turned out to be a boring WoW clone. I guess I'll be playing Xbox 360 from now on................. Goodbye MMO's
Ill tell you what happened WoW brought in way to many casual carebears to the MMO genre, and they out number the old school MMO'er 5-1 so the companies are catering to the carebears and were getting all these weak MMO's. It is indeed very frusterating.
This. Back in the days when MMO's filled a niche market MMOs were really something grand.
I enjoy WAR and have been on it A LOT in 2 days. I am a die hard UO fan and wish it was not so bad now. I guess I COULD give it another shot but I don't know.
Maybe wait for Darkfall so you have more options?
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You want sand boxish go play EVE. WAR is what it is a representation of Warhammer fantasy nothing more nothing less it's not an RPG it's an MMO RvR or MMO PvP. If it's not your thing try something else or if you want a RPG then break out the old pen and paper and the D&D library and set up a gaming group. Even it i hate to say it Darkfall ever actually gets out maybe you might have your sandbox.
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You sir, are a genius.
And I can agree with everyone that this was never going to be a sandbox game. I knew that while testing the game and yet I still purchased retail (I always do because it is the least I can do to support a title that I spent time with) That really isn't the issue.
But does it have to be so MM0 i.e. Massively Monumentally Zero depth?
I know that it has to be simple, basic and shallow so that the RvR can be played on low end machines..
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"The reality of the poor in America isn't the difference between The Haves and The Have Nots, it is the difference between The Haves and The Have Lots."
I wholeheartedly support this statement.
Actually I do not think this is a true MMORPG honestly, maybe a new genre needs to be created. EQ, SWG, and even WoW were true MMORPGs. WoW might have dumbed things down but it still has the whole MMORPG feel.
WAR again in my opinion is not in the true sense a MMORPG, it reminds more of Planetside in some respects. So to judge this as a MMORPG in a sandbox world is unfair and unrealistic. Maybe we can call them MMOGFs (gank fests) games I don't know but I do not see much of an RPG in here.
That said I feel this game has issues, the GC is not necessary or too long, the server lag in mass PvP is horrid and this game will not run in mass RvR on min specs, I would even vouch to say a dual core 3+ megs of ram and a 8800GT or better as a min spec to run mass rvr. The spell animations are meh, character customization the same meh, but I heard it was done so each class had a different look in PvP so there is not a lot of difference say between chosen A and Chosen B. The PQs get repetitive by chapter 8 I wanted to pull my eyeballs out grinding for gear, since T2 RvR on my server was not huge so the PQs had the dope gear for now.
Again to the OP a well written rant ans sadly you are on the mark but I don't think this game should be classified as a MMORPG.
There are still a lot of active games that will give you what you are looking for. There are about 500 old threads you can dig up about how WoW ruined the genre by being so successful with such a casual and shallow game causing developers to follow in their footsteps that you could post on. I personally agree with the side that WoW hurt the genre more than it helped, but I miss the old days. Particularly when these forums were filled with excitement about launches and we discussed the games.
If you try and discuss the cons of a game anymore you get decimated by the fanbois, I feel there are some very signifcant issues with WAR which I just posted but I know I will be flamed by fanbois.
If you try and discuss the cons of a game anymore you get decimated by the fanbois, I feel there are some very signifcant issues with WAR which I just posted but I know I will be flamed by fanbois.
Yeah well before we discussed the good and bad in a constructive way. Ever since the game that shall not be named has come out it's extreme in both directions. I only remember seeing one or two well put together posts discussing the negatives of the game, and they have a lot of good discussion about it.
Well I tried in the last few posts for constructive criticsism in this thread, but my two biggest issues are the server imbalance and the server lag in large scale RvR. Which in the end could hurt this game for those that like to play an RvR game, I mean lets be serious the PvE here is lame and not very engrossing, the PQs were/are a brilliant idea but as I said by chapter 8 it felt just like any grind in WoW or worse.
Well it's weird but after installed the discs, or after the 4 hour downtime this morning, the game got much more stable for me. I had more people on screen in WAR than i've had in any MMO short of some crazy events and it ran smooth. I think they have done a great job with scaling whatever they scale. Server inbalance could be an issue but I have a feeling if it gets too bad on a server Mythic will think of something to help it. I enjoy overcoming the odds anyway, but yeah these are valid concerns.
Are you having trouble in RvR with your machine? I think this is the best MMO for massive battles I have ever played short of FFXI, but in FFXI it just stops rendering characters so if there are 500 around you you only see 20 or 30.
RvR on Skull Throne was a slide show, so I rolled a toon on a low pop server to check it out to make sure it was not my rig. The game ran smooth as silk for the most part in High Qual so I decided to stay there, we even did a Keep raid last night with 1 warband and it ran decent but towards the end of the night things felt really really sluggish. 3 people though were complaining about server lag or whatever and disbanded from the warband.
so on a low pop server I ran pretty good on a high pop it was like a slide show, that seems to me like server lag or memory leak issues on their side.
Oh BTW I have not installed my new disks because Best Buy screwed up my order and now I can't even play since the new patch went live. I could rant about the shaddy oh it is no longer the 22 grace period issue but I am tired lol.
People keep saying that the PVE in WAR is lame but I fail to see what is lame about it. It has quests and PVE dungeons just like many other MMO's what else would you like for PVE. If you like to grind do PQ's till your eyes bleed. Have problems finding a group use the public party system no more spamming "need a grp invite pls " shit. If you wanna solo to max level you can do so as I have yet to come across a quest that needed a full grp.
So please tell me what is lame about the PVE I just dont see what else is needed. Rep grinds maybe but infamy from public quests can be considered that. Only valid complaint I can see is that people dont use the chat channels very often but usually when an MMO releases its "this game sucks" or " well WOW does this or has that" the fact that im not seeing that stuff tells me that people are busy doing stuff in PVE.
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Yeah I had this up until last night also with a ton of people on screen. After todays downtime though and installing the discs it is gone. I am in a keep battle with at least 100 people around fighting and it is running as smooth as if there was 12 on screen. I do have a decent machine though. I did have the stuttering, but again it's gone now.
You are completely missing the concept. The game is centered around RvR which can involve hundreds of players at a time. There really isn't much more to be said about it.
So, it's a glorified first-person-shooter?
This OP's thread is like they played Madden NFL then saying its shit cause you cant run off the field and tackle crowd members and then go to the carpark and drive cars around.
I'll sum up your post:
I didnt think i'd like this game, woah what do you know - i didnt, RPGs suck nowadays, i'll go play my 1990's Diablo/Nintendo game, why arent all RPGs Sandbox Games??!?!?
Anyways, not all developers go full sandbox because of one common complaint.....gamers say "what the hell do i do now?". Linear Gameplay has a purpose it keeps people active.
Everyone has different tastes, theres many companies making different games, go look for them.
Complaining about RPGs in general not being sandbox in a WAR forum is stupid.
..complex game?...being myself over 30++++ aged , i tell you that life is enough complex that the last thing that you want is stayng front a pc with another very complex thingie to solve...
..I understand of course that maybe your life cant be enough complex just now..but it will become, does not matter if you are poor, rich, fat , thin, ecc..
New to MMOs? If you want roleplaying then gather together with friends and play pen & paper RPGs, because MMOs have never really been about roleplaying. As for having a deep sandbox game with RPG, I have no idea wtf you're talking about. You must be one of the pissed off SWG "fans". Even if this type of game ever exsisted, what the hell were you expecting from WAR? It never ever ever described itself as a sandbox game and no one that has a clue about the MMO market would expect ANY MMO to feature indepth roleplaying experience (because it doesn't exsist in electronic gaming).
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Ill have to agree with this. I mean what is a sandbox other then a grind? So wther its killing mobs over and over to raise that skill or doing 3 different PQs to gain inful I dont see a difference.
Also I would like to see a Nintendo game from the 90s that matchs this in graphics.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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Nice Troll post OP.
Look at the response you got. Feel better now?
Get those secondary gains met? 
But really, sorry you don't like the game. Suggestion. You don't like it, don't play it. Easy enough to fix.
Coming here to state an opinion on a game is fine, but you are just provoking people. Pretty sad really, unless you really are drama queen and stirring crap gives you jollies.
(Can you say borderline personality traits boys and girlz)
That being said.... Nothing personal, I get a kick out of posts like yours and how upset some people can get about someone talking down a GAME they like.
Anyway, hope you find a game that tickles your sweet spot. I just hope you keep making drama dragging, crap stirring posts like this.... Those type of posts give me a reason to keep checking out this site while at work.
Seizure later
Darkfall might be more of what you're looking for as I share the same sentiments as you. And btw, "Age of Conan O'Brian"...ROTFL, classic! ha!
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I agree with you OP, I'm actually sad today, because I think I might just have to give up MMO's. Every MMO released in the last 4 years has been horrible and WAR the game I had been looking forward to for 3 years turned out to be a boring WoW clone. I guess I'll be playing Xbox 360 from now on................. Goodbye MMO's
This. Back in the days when MMO's filled a niche market MMOs were really something grand.
I enjoy WAR and have been on it A LOT in 2 days. I am a die hard UO fan and wish it was not so bad now. I guess I COULD give it another shot but I don't know.
Maybe wait for Darkfall so you have more options?
Old Skool Ultima Online Junky
Bring back the OLD UO so I can play again
You want sand boxish go play EVE. WAR is what it is a representation of Warhammer fantasy nothing more nothing less it's not an RPG it's an MMO RvR or MMO PvP. If it's not your thing try something else or if you want a RPG then break out the old pen and paper and the D&D library and set up a gaming group. Even it i hate to say it Darkfall ever actually gets out maybe you might have your sandbox.