I'm having a great time playing Order on Pheonix Throne. It's still a struggle, but we've managed to do really well so far. Every time I log in each realm controls an almost equal amount of tier zones.. sometimes I even see more blue than red, and I have to say, it is much more rewarding to be outnumbered and manage to hold objectives and win scenarios. I also played on Badlands as destruction, and Order was in control. I guess it depends on the guilds/server.
Aye its the same on Volkmar, last night i logged on to do some scenarios and order controlled the entire tier 2 rvr, even both of the keeps in Nordland/troll country... i was like wow they deserve alot of respect lol.
You got some Hardcore Order Guilds running on Volkmar..
OP, my server is actually really Order dominant, you should check out Dark Crag (open RvR). We basically win 80% of the scenarios are occupy generally most of the world RvR.
Hope this helped.
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Thats funny. Im on the same server, Rank 17 and from what i have experience from the start was destruction winning about 10:1 in most scenarios. Order does average at the tier 1 scenarios but after rank 11, its mostly destruction.
The problem can be followed back to Mythic making a few bad choices. Their first bad choice was to not have the Knight of theblazing sun as a playable class at launch, as its the only tank that actually LOOKS like a tank on the side of Order. It is also the mirror of the Chosen.
Here in is the issue, Order has for the most part, very ugly classes. I cant begin to tell you how many ppl I know have rolled destruction merely because they really wouldnt be happy playing a short obese hairy dwarf, or a cone headed white skinny elf in a robe. They look at the actual bulkiness of the Chosen, with actual armor and helm that looks normal, a giant weapon and features that make a tank look like a tank.
If you want to play a tank, it better look like one, is usually how it goes. SO most scenarios I see are dominated by destruction because they have an over population of Chosens and healers like the zealot, which means even if you manage to take down one, theres 10 more ready to fill in the gap. Chosens can seem to dish out some nasty dps as well, and the key to winning scenarios is not always how many ppl you kill but rather how long you can survive.
ALready Order is at a disadvantage. I rarely see an equal number of Sword Masters to Chosen in any scenario, much less a rune priest equal to the number of zealots.
Order is going to rely mostly on good guilds to win, but if you are part of a PUG, you are F**ked most of the time.
Volkmar is very balanced and the last ime we tried to take over Tier 2 we got spanked pretty hard by Order. We finally made it in the end but it was a pretty balanced battle. Next thing you know, Order takes back the keeps the next day. It depends on the server i guess.
Order wins most of the Scenarios in T3, T1 and T2 was very balanced, maybe a bit more on the destruction side.
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At some point there will be SO MANY Destruction players and VERY FEW Order players that the game will die.
Everyone wants to play Destruction...well that's fine...until there's not enough order players to play RvR or the scenarios that the game will just be boreing.
I play Both...I have a Destruction Sorceress & Tank and an Order Wizard & Engineer....
Your right...Destruction do own in almost every battle...but please...where's the fun in that.
Most players who picked Destruction are the ones who got there asses kicked as Empire in WoW and they want to be the Dominate ones this time.
And you know the worst part about it....
When i play PvP it's always Destruction = 90% Tanks.
Destruction has more than just one class people...are you lot so sad that you don't like taking any damage.
All i have seen since launch day is a lot of the servers full with Destruction and Medium Order.
Anyway...Game will die if everyone keeps going Destruction...simple as that....
No one wants to play a game where thers only one side.
So...If you want to win everything without any compition play as Destruction, If you want more of a challenge and to have more fun...Play Order.
Actually on both my servers Order have won more Scenarios than destruction, and on my main server Order wins more RvR objectives on a nightly basis than Destruction. Many servers are fine. It is the servers that are low/high that I could see being a problem. I think they would be smart to add back in Order side classes and none for destruction. They should be able to sway the population in little ways like that.
It's really very simple.... At some point there will be SO MANY Destruction players and VERY FEW Order players that the game will die. Everyone wants to play Destruction...well that's fine...until there's not enough order players to play RvR or the scenarios that the game will just be boreing. I play Both...I have a Destruction Sorceress and an Order Wizard.... Your right...Destruction do own in almost every battle...but please...where's the fun in that. Most players who picked Destruction are the ones who got there asses kicked as Empire in WoW and they want to be the Dominate ones this time. And you know the worst part about it.... When i play PvP it's always Destruction = 90% Tanks and Order = 90% Casters. Destruction has more than just one class people...
Anyway...Game will die if everyone keeps going Destruction...simple as that.
Destruction knows they have more then one class... You see Black Orcs AND Chosen...
maybe sounds like a good idea, but then again you will have thoes people saying its unfair because Order have more classes then Destruction. Or even alot of the Destruction will reroll Order because they made some awesome class so it ends up being Order being over populated?
So joining the winning side, getting no competition at all is better than having something to fight for and achieve? If you blame the population, you arent really trying to solve the problem by creating a Destruction character
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
It's really very simple.... At some point there will be SO MANY Destruction players and VERY FEW Order players that the game will die. Everyone wants to play Destruction...well that's fine...until there's not enough order players to play RvR or the scenarios that the game will just be boreing. I play Both...I have a Destruction Sorceress & Tank and an Order Wizard & Engineer.... Your right...Destruction do own in almost every battle...but please...where's the fun in that. Most players who picked Destruction are the ones who got there asses kicked as Empire in WoW and they want to be the Dominate ones this time. And you know the worst part about it.... When i play PvP it's always Destruction = 90% Tanks. Destruction has more than just one class people...are you lot so sad that you don't like taking any damage. All i have seen since launch day is a lot of the servers full with Destruction and Medium Order. Anyway...Game will die if everyone keeps going Destruction...simple as that.... No one wants to play a game where thers only one side. So...If you want to win everything without any compition play as Destruction, If you want more of a challenge and to have more fun...Play Order.
To be honest on my Server Order seems to be more in control then Destro and i think you will find more ppl rolling Order soon as half of the Destro players are total noobs and i have exerienced this in RVR first and 2nd hand, i am a DoK and am seriously hating Scenario's and RVR at the moment cause all the PUG's i have encountered have been useless no 1 in the Destruction side wants to work together but toyu watch Order play and they have there shit together and do you know why? Because all of the Good PVPers are rolling there because of the very reason i have just stated there are too many Destruction Players that just don't have a bloody clue lol. If Destruction are on top it is only because of numbers all the good players are rolling Order trust me.
Destruction roll more Tanks and Order roll more DPS.
I started as a Engineer and found some people playing BW and WH and said, where the hell are all our tanks.
I re-rolled and went as a SM, however, everytime I would go into a BG, it would only be me and one other poor sap that was a tank and we would get spanked around alot (Tier 1 BGs).
Now first of all, I was all into rolling a Destro character until most of my friends wanted to roll Order, since they all knew Order was going to be the underdog going into the game.
But, at this point, I am having a blast playing Order and I thought I would never say that.
Its good to kick as Destro ass, cause most of us Order people look at the Destro Faction as the I WIN BUTTON, so it makes winning more enjoyable when a Destro is laying at your feet.
Whats the point in joining a side that has no competition and always wins? Not saying thats how it is, but winning all the time removes the fun in it. Loosing all the time, and occasionally winning makes winning a thrill and fights fun.
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
Thank you Newhopes for proving my point.
Another player who just wants to win without any compition.
I know your be a long time player of this game.
I play as order we do fine in scenarios but unless the order population suddenly triples overnight we stand no chance what so ever in world RvR and thats where most of the game is ment to be played so how can I tell some one to roll order when that choice will deny them access to 50% of the game content.
On the Badlands server Order rules the server. Destruction is doing somewhat better than at launch but Order is is dominant. Badlands is a extremely full server and has a hour queue wait during prime time however.
I would say wait until the dust settles on the other servers before coming to the OP's conclusion. The people who are serious about the game will filter up to the higher levels on both sides. Order has the Ironbreaker and Bright Wizzys. Those are two very powerful classes. Especially the Ironbreaker.
Join a Guild. Even with a low pop server a good, organized small guild can steamroll an unorganized big group of people.
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
Thank you Newhopes for proving my point.
Another player who just wants to win without any compition.
I know your be a long time player of this game.
I play as order we do fine in scenarios but unless the order population suddenly triples overnight we stand no chance what so ever in world RvR and thats where most of the game is ment to be played so how can I tell some one to roll order when that choice will deny them access to 50% of the game content.
Having no resistance in World RVR removes the joy for both sides. Thats why you need to even out the playing field. There is no RVR if one of the sides doesnt participate. It isnt content if theres no competition :P
Full servers dont have the issue as both sides are equally packed. Come to one tht isnt full and see what its like in Open RVR... its not fun at all...
Do what I did, and move to one that is full, and move from destruction to order (less queue time). Problem solved.
And now is the best to move, it's still early. One week of leveling isn't going to mater in the long run.
Now if more people did what I just did, things would even out. Unfortunately most people aren't as smart as I am.
On some servers im sure its a little rought right now , of course its the first week of the game . On my server order usualy dominated half the day , and around primetime it gets pretty even . Pop inbalance is to be expected on a server that isnt full , specialy in the first week of the game .
Give the game a month for the servers to fill out and people time to figure out wha tclass they want to stick with and wha tserver is home , most server will be full soon as more people join the game give it time dont expect ballance the first chaotic week of a launch.
Dark Crag is a full server. Order and Destruction, we are about even in scenario's and world PvP. We usually tie in scenario's until the destruction decide to bring all their high levels and we get smashed lol.
The order has good enough healers, just need more tank classes.
I play destruction on Kragg server and Order seems to do fairly well in RvR. Destro tends to do better but Order at least is always giving us a challenge. Scenarios are a different story. Order is absolutely horrible in scenarios on my server. I've only lost 1 scenario and I play them all the time. I have about a 99.99% winning percentage right now lol. Like someone else said, Order seems to have less diversity played in their classes. I can't lob a choppa without hitting a freakin bright wizard. That seems to be a very popular class on my server. Can't win scenarios without heals and tanks. My black orc just has to look at a BW and they die(without heals). Order doesn't seem to work very well as a group either. They always seem scattered while destro moves as a singular unit. I've always seem to be with very good healers too. Always plenty of shamans and zealots to go around.
Phoenix Throne, I lost every tier 2 scenario I joined yesterday as Destruction. Also, Order held all tier 2 keeps and objectives later that day (say after 2pm CST until ). To say Destruction wins all of the time to me just sounds like whinning.
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I agree with the aesthetics comments here. I love to tank, but if I roll order I can play a midget (which is a solid class) or I can play a skirt wearing emo elf (which has the stance mechanic that I hate.) I have NEVER played a dwarf in any game, can't stand the look of them. And who tanks with a skirt...I mean, really?! That leaves a person like me with no tank with any appeal on Order.
I also think that order is seriously hurt by not have it's Aura mechanic tank. If Mythic would ever get off their damn high horse and release the KotBS (minus the damn feathers) or an equivelant class, I believe that would help balance out a lot of population issues right there.
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Aye its the same on Volkmar, last night i logged on to do some scenarios and order controlled the entire tier 2 rvr, even both of the keeps in Nordland/troll country... i was like wow they deserve alot of respect lol.
You got some Hardcore Order Guilds running on Volkmar..
Thats funny. Im on the same server, Rank 17 and from what i have experience from the start was destruction winning about 10:1 in most scenarios. Order does average at the tier 1 scenarios but after rank 11, its mostly destruction.
The problem can be followed back to Mythic making a few bad choices. Their first bad choice was to not have the Knight of theblazing sun as a playable class at launch, as its the only tank that actually LOOKS like a tank on the side of Order. It is also the mirror of the Chosen.
Here in is the issue, Order has for the most part, very ugly classes. I cant begin to tell you how many ppl I know have rolled destruction merely because they really wouldnt be happy playing a short obese hairy dwarf, or a cone headed white skinny elf in a robe. They look at the actual bulkiness of the Chosen, with actual armor and helm that looks normal, a giant weapon and features that make a tank look like a tank.
If you want to play a tank, it better look like one, is usually how it goes. SO most scenarios I see are dominated by destruction because they have an over population of Chosens and healers like the zealot, which means even if you manage to take down one, theres 10 more ready to fill in the gap. Chosens can seem to dish out some nasty dps as well, and the key to winning scenarios is not always how many ppl you kill but rather how long you can survive.
ALready Order is at a disadvantage. I rarely see an equal number of Sword Masters to Chosen in any scenario, much less a rune priest equal to the number of zealots.
Order is going to rely mostly on good guilds to win, but if you are part of a PUG, you are F**ked most of the time.
Volkmar is very balanced and the last ime we tried to take over Tier 2 we got spanked pretty hard by Order. We finally made it in the end but it was a pretty balanced battle. Next thing you know, Order takes back the keeps the next day. It depends on the server i guess.
Order wins most of the Scenarios in T3, T1 and T2 was very balanced, maybe a bit more on the destruction side.
It's really very simple....
At some point there will be SO MANY Destruction players and VERY FEW Order players that the game will die.
Everyone wants to play Destruction...well that's fine...until there's not enough order players to play RvR or the scenarios that the game will just be boreing.
I play Both...I have a Destruction Sorceress & Tank and an Order Wizard & Engineer....
Your right...Destruction do own in almost every battle...but please...where's the fun in that.
Most players who picked Destruction are the ones who got there asses kicked as Empire in WoW and they want to be the Dominate ones this time.
And you know the worst part about it....
When i play PvP it's always Destruction = 90% Tanks.
Destruction has more than just one class people...are you lot so sad that you don't like taking any damage.
All i have seen since launch day is a lot of the servers full with Destruction and Medium Order.
Anyway...Game will die if everyone keeps going Destruction...simple as that....
No one wants to play a game where thers only one side.
So...If you want to win everything without any compition play as Destruction, If you want more of a challenge and to have more fun...Play Order.
Actually on both my servers Order have won more Scenarios than destruction, and on my main server Order wins more RvR objectives on a nightly basis than Destruction. Many servers are fine. It is the servers that are low/high that I could see being a problem. I think they would be smart to add back in Order side classes and none for destruction. They should be able to sway the population in little ways like that.
Destruction knows they have more then one class... You see Black Orcs AND Chosen...
maybe sounds like a good idea, but then again you will have thoes people saying its unfair because Order have more classes then Destruction. Or even alot of the Destruction will reroll Order because they made some awesome class so it ends up being Order being over populated?
So joining the winning side, getting no competition at all is better than having something to fight for and achieve?
If you blame the population, you arent really trying to solve the problem by creating a Destruction character
The Green Skins are a riot to play.
However, I find it also depends also at what time of day.
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Destruction knows they have more then one class... You see Black Orcs AND Chosen...
Ummmm...Didn't i say 90% Tanks...
I think that means Black Orcs and Chosen...!!!
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
To be honest on my Server Order seems to be more in control then Destro and i think you will find more ppl rolling Order soon as half of the Destro players are total noobs and i have exerienced this in RVR first and 2nd hand, i am a DoK and am seriously hating Scenario's and RVR at the moment cause all the PUG's i have encountered have been useless no 1 in the Destruction side wants to work together but toyu watch Order play and they have there shit together and do you know why? Because all of the Good PVPers are rolling there because of the very reason i have just stated there are too many Destruction Players that just don't have a bloody clue lol. If Destruction are on top it is only because of numbers all the good players are rolling Order trust me.
Yup!
You said it correctly..
Destruction roll more Tanks and Order roll more DPS.
I started as a Engineer and found some people playing BW and WH and said, where the hell are all our tanks.
I re-rolled and went as a SM, however, everytime I would go into a BG, it would only be me and one other poor sap that was a tank and we would get spanked around alot (Tier 1 BGs).
Now first of all, I was all into rolling a Destro character until most of my friends wanted to roll Order, since they all knew Order was going to be the underdog going into the game.
But, at this point, I am having a blast playing Order and I thought I would never say that.
Its good to kick as Destro ass, cause most of us Order people look at the Destro Faction as the I WIN BUTTON, so it makes winning more enjoyable when a Destro is laying at your feet.
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
Thank you Newhopes for proving my point.
Another player who just wants to win without any compition.
I know your be a long time player of this game.
Whats the point in joining a side that has no competition and always wins? Not saying thats how it is, but winning all the time removes the fun in it. Loosing all the time, and occasionally winning makes winning a thrill and fights fun.
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
Thank you Newhopes for proving my point.
Another player who just wants to win without any compition.
I know your be a long time player of this game.
I play as order we do fine in scenarios but unless the order population suddenly triples overnight we stand no chance what so ever in world RvR and thats where most of the game is ment to be played so how can I tell some one to roll order when that choice will deny them access to 50% of the game content.
On the Badlands server Order rules the server. Destruction is doing somewhat better than at launch but Order is is dominant. Badlands is a extremely full server and has a hour queue wait during prime time however.
I would say wait until the dust settles on the other servers before coming to the OP's conclusion. The people who are serious about the game will filter up to the higher levels on both sides. Order has the Ironbreaker and Bright Wizzys. Those are two very powerful classes. Especially the Ironbreaker.
Join a Guild. Even with a low pop server a good, organized small guild can steamroll an unorganized big group of people.
And whats the point in joining the side that has no chance of winning anything.
Thank you Newhopes for proving my point.
Another player who just wants to win without any compition.
I know your be a long time player of this game.
I play as order we do fine in scenarios but unless the order population suddenly triples overnight we stand no chance what so ever in world RvR and thats where most of the game is ment to be played so how can I tell some one to roll order when that choice will deny them access to 50% of the game content.
Having no resistance in World RVR removes the joy for both sides. Thats why you need to even out the playing field. There is no RVR if one of the sides doesnt participate. It isnt content if theres no competition :P
Do what I did, and move to one that is full, and move from destruction to order (less queue time). Problem solved.
And now is the best to move, it's still early. One week of leveling isn't going to mater in the long run.
Now if more people did what I just did, things would even out. Unfortunately most people aren't as smart as I am.
On some servers im sure its a little rought right now , of course its the first week of the game . On my server order usualy dominated half the day , and around primetime it gets pretty even . Pop inbalance is to be expected on a server that isnt full , specialy in the first week of the game .
Give the game a month for the servers to fill out and people time to figure out wha tclass they want to stick with and wha tserver is home , most server will be full soon as more people join the game give it time dont expect ballance the first chaotic week of a launch.
Dark Crag is a full server. Order and Destruction, we are about even in scenario's and world PvP. We usually tie in scenario's until the destruction decide to bring all their high levels and we get smashed lol.
The order has good enough healers, just need more tank classes.
I play destruction on Kragg server and Order seems to do fairly well in RvR. Destro tends to do better but Order at least is always giving us a challenge. Scenarios are a different story. Order is absolutely horrible in scenarios on my server. I've only lost 1 scenario and I play them all the time. I have about a 99.99% winning percentage right now lol. Like someone else said, Order seems to have less diversity played in their classes. I can't lob a choppa without hitting a freakin bright wizard. That seems to be a very popular class on my server. Can't win scenarios without heals and tanks. My black orc just has to look at a BW and they die(without heals). Order doesn't seem to work very well as a group either. They always seem scattered while destro moves as a singular unit. I've always seem to be with very good healers too. Always plenty of shamans and zealots to go around.
Phoenix Throne, I lost every tier 2 scenario I joined yesterday as Destruction. Also, Order held all tier 2 keeps and objectives later that day (say after 2pm CST until ). To say Destruction wins all of the time to me just sounds like whinning.
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I agree with the aesthetics comments here. I love to tank, but if I roll order I can play a midget (which is a solid class) or I can play a skirt wearing emo elf (which has the stance mechanic that I hate.) I have NEVER played a dwarf in any game, can't stand the look of them. And who tanks with a skirt...I mean, really?! That leaves a person like me with no tank with any appeal on Order.
I also think that order is seriously hurt by not have it's Aura mechanic tank. If Mythic would ever get off their damn high horse and release the KotBS (minus the damn feathers) or an equivelant class, I believe that would help balance out a lot of population issues right there.
Ya when they took out the Empire tank they screwed order. Nobody wants to play our tanks. One looks like a girl and the other is a midget.
Destro rolls with 50% tanks usually and frankly they just roll us because of it.