Will provide you something better a movie is being made by one of my guild members.
Originally posted by Alan0n
How about actually making meaningfull goals ? WOW and AOC are taking PVP where the objective of battle is JUST to kill others without no tactical goals whatsoever.
The current goal is to gain PvP levels ( and get pvp equip) and I think it will be huge grind especially after level 5 . As for meaningful goals thats sieging, Battle Keep is providing you nice bonuses and some other stuff. ( like most of the game all bonuses stats and ability to craft even better equip if you own a BK is not ingame yet but coming soon Funcom TM )
Few more months and I think AoC will be there where it should be at release, so stayed tuned
Dont get me wrong Iam not a fanboi and I would not suggest people to go and buy AoC and wait as updates are "coming soon"... Wait for the updates see how game progress and then decide, few more aka 4 to 6 patches like last one and it could become great. However if such large updates takes so much time as the last one did ( 2, 3 months ) then let say 5 large patches = 1 year, lets hope they will speed up now.
p.s. If you playing AoC now and are unsatisfied -> vote with your wallet do not resubscribe.
Ill beleive it when I see it. Since the game used to have trouble just zoning in and out ( for some people) I highly doubt you could have those numbers and not cause the servers squirrels to explode.
This is the key part with some people here. Old Info. "Used to" yes.. Current No.
So you have conclusive proof that zoning is no longer a problem?
Will provide you something better a movie is being made by one of my guild members.
Originally posted by Alan0n
How about actually making meaningfull goals ? WOW and AOC are taking PVP where the objective of battle is JUST to kill others without no tactical goals whatsoever.
The current goal is to gain PvP levels ( and get pvp equip) and I think it will be huge grind especially after level 5 . As for meaningful goals thats sieging, Battle Keep is providing you nice bonuses and some other stuff. ( like most of the game all bonuses stats and ability to craft even better equip if you own a BK is not ingame yet but coming soon Funcom TM )
Few more months and I think AoC will be there where it should be at release, so stayed tuned
Dont get me wrong Iam not a fanboi and I would not suggest people to go and buy AoC and wait as updates are "coming soon"... Wait for the updates see how game progress and then decide, few more aka 4 to 6 patches like last one and it could become great. However if such large updates takes so much time as the last one did ( 2, 3 months ) then let say 5 large patches = 1 year, lets hope they will speed up now.
p.s. If you playing AoC now and are unsatisfied -> vote with your wallet do not resubscribe.
Ill beleive it when I see it. Since the game used to have trouble just zoning in and out ( for some people) I highly doubt you could have those numbers and not cause the servers squirrels to explode.
This is the key part with some people here. Old Info. "Used to" yes.. Current No.
So you have conclusive proof that zoning is no longer a problem?
Yes cause we are not getting it any longer. I never had it that much but now it's totally gone....
Who uses Xfire anyhow..im a MMO veteran playing mmos for 7-8 years, and i never ever used it...Your source of information its not relevant and pure speculation....
As for AoC, its far from perfect, they brought the PvP patch, they broke some raid encounters...but humans learn from their own mistakes, so are Funcom's devs
Why make a new post about this? Isnt it time you moved to war forums and start the hate there now, or have you started already?
Fact: average player of AoC is 29. Users of xfire is MUCH lower. I have a guild of 200 and NONE of them (that i asked or posed on a poll i did) use xfire, two tried it but there was issues with it and aoc so no longer use it.
What are you talking about? We aint talking about how many are playing!!!!!!!!!!!! We simply using xfire as a ratio population tool.. and even if there where only 100 people using xfire, a drop of 60 people would still be 60% drop on average. Why lie? The hard cold facts are just not nice to you, are they?
I am sad to see so many nice people get tricked by the mockery that AoC is. Bless ye all
1. September school/college start. <<funcom can't fix this.
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2. the 3 month subscribe expired.. << the PVP patch come out too late before the expired, Plus it might be not strong enough for ppl to come back.
3. WAR came out, ppl start it,, (but in 30day you might see some ppl come back from WAR)
4. The server not merge and population is still low for PVP. << Funcom can fix this but they not doing it.
i'm on the the choice 1, it is good that my account expired last night. I might come back in couple month. I hope they merge low population to Tyranny... or i wait for more ppl gets to Lv80.
well i used another one of my friends invites keys and the servers are as empty as always. I tried more than 1 server too where I have toons. nothing's changed, red latency bar, dc's, empty servers.....
lol @ pve servers. why would anyone even play on those. I have chars on Cimmeria, Deathwisper and blue steel and they are almost all the same (except Cimmeria which is a LITTLE better populated).
lol @ pve servers. why would anyone even play on those. I have chars on Cimmeria, Deathwisper and blue steel and they are almost all the same (except Cimmeria which is a LITTLE better populated).
Let me thow in some information on server status in AoC.. comments are collected from gamers in one of the therads below.. As you see Derketo, Damballah and Bane is low population. Only join in there if you want less people hunting you while you quest.
Set was Awesome (comments are that somedays good and someday bad... Held to be a typical casual gamer server with large activity fluctuations)
Cimmeria was Packed all night
Thog was Rocking
Doomsayer was more than active
Dagoth was Very active (and perhaps more based on later posts).
Deatwisper was Awesome (upgraded based on later info)
Tyrrany was Awesome
Omm was Perking
Stormrage was PvP Mayhem
Wiccan was Crowed (People had to form a line)
Bluesteel was active (More than normal...)
Derketo was empty or at least had very low population
Damballah has very low population
Bane has very low population
Finally I also hear that some boys set up a fight club on the Gwalldur server. But I do naturally not know to much about that as rule number 8 is not to talk about the members in the club.
So are people trying to say that the AoC player are less likely to use xfire then people that player other games? how does that make any sense? I don't think people understand what the xfire does show is a reasonable clear image of what games get the most play time during a week.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So are people trying to say that the AoC player are less likely to use xfire then people that player other games? how does that make any sense? I don't think people understand what the xfire does show is a reasonable clear image of what games get the most play time during a week.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
You clearly have no idea how statistics work. Even if the percentage is small it can still give pretty accurate data.
So are people trying to say that the AoC player are less likely to use xfire then people that player other games? how does that make any sense? I don't think people understand what the xfire does show is a reasonable clear image of what games get the most play time during a week.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
You clearly have no idea how statistics work. Even if the percentage is small it can still give pretty accurate data.
yes it gives accurate data showing that "For people with XFire installed and running, the number that play AoC is going down". And that's really all they XFire statistics can show. People that actually play, state that there were more players on this weekend than last, and yet XFire shows a decline. This indicites that the XFire users does not reflect the AoC userbase.
That is not true... xfire showed a nice bump for the 3 days after the pvp patch... somethig in the order of 20% more players. Xfire has about 1700 AOC players logging in every day, that is probably a 2-3% sample size which is really high... take for instance the Neilson ratings, which do significantly less than 1% sampling.
That is not true... xfire showed a nice bump for the 3 days after the pvp patch... somethig in the order of 20% more players. Xfire has about 1700 AOC players logging in every day, that is probably a 2-3% sample size which is really high... take for instance the Neilson ratings, which do significantly less than 1% sampling.
They didn't get much more than the weekend bump on XFire, and after the PvP patch it was still down from last week. It was a slower decline than before the PvP patch, but still fewer XFire hours than the week before. But the sampling for XFire is by no standards random, so you can't draw any conclusions about the general AoC population and how that evolves from looking at XFire. Yes, you get some indications, but you can't make any valid statistical claims.
The best statement I have heard against XFire is that it isn't random enough to give a true statistical average of the population.
Most people that run Xfire are younger, more gamer intense people. It would not represent the casual gamer. Therefore it would show what the casual gamer is doing on AoC.
I would think that the intense gamer would not play AoC or have quit all ready due to lack of PVE and PVP rewards/objectives. That would leave XFire under-representing the actual population of AoC due to it likely having an above average of casual players.
I don't believe that this patch has done anything to greatly improve the population. It may have saved it some but not attracted new players. Overall though it is a step in the right direction.
So are people trying to say that the AoC player are less likely to use xfire then people that player other games? how does that make any sense? I don't think people understand what the xfire does show is a reasonable clear image of what games get the most play time during a week.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
You clearly have no idea how statistics work. Even if the percentage is small it can still give pretty accurate data.
Statistics only work if you know the demographic they cover. If you're looking for an accurate gauge of overall AOC subscribers. I wouldn't rely on X-fire to tell you much, unless you know the average amount of AOC customers who use x-fire. Sorry pal that's how statistics work, if you don't know the average you don't know squat.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I actually re subbed after WAR released, to see how it was doing. I do that with old games alot as i m playing my game of choice i ll see how old ones are doing. On the servers i logged into, i can t see any increase or real decrease. It s still pretty damn barren to me. I don t think this game will ever re coup like some want it to, but i don t think it will be shut dow like others want it to.
Well i'm playing WAR and AOC. AOC is somewhat on the backburner now, but i will see how WAR goes.
However, it's clear, WAR is much much x 100000 more times dependent on server population than AoC. I could play AoC with 2 buddies just fine and -enjoy- it. AoC's theme, atmosphere and combat mechanics is actually an awesome experience. It's -fun- leveling a char.
Now in WAR, leveling/questing is pretty boring. Yes, they threw in Public Quests to spice things up, but ultimately the leveling of a class is painful. Obviously WAR is not about that, it's all about the RvR and mass PvP aspects. Clearly Mythic thought that part out very well and you CAN go siege at lvl 8 and lower already.
But i've already walked into a lowbie RvR zone and no one was there, there were 3 towers to cap and it was pretty much "Eastern Plaguelands" all over [that's in WoW, lvl 55-ish area, which is now mostly deserted with a weak attempt at World-PvP there] .
Oh did i mention how i played a week of WAR and did not see ONE SINGLE PUBLIC CHAT ???! . AoC with low pop and all, has a zillion times more action going on in the chats. THe fact that AoC forces you through 3 main "capitals" or areas all the time = a hub of activity going. WAR does not have it, maybe at end-game lvl with 2 the capitals, but while you level? NOTHING...it's one camp after the other.
My point? If WAR's population goes down , hell even if the factions are too imbalanced [too many people playing destro for example], the game will fall flat. AoC, at least have actual some PvE fun going. THIS is why i'm keeping my eye on AoC, and THIS is also why a medium-low server pop is not that much of a concern to me....on WAR it is.
Of course , Sieges and such will be problematic in AoC if no one is there, but i've played 4 months now and have not experienced any of that. The reliance on massive zerg guilds for guild cities, make this aspect of AoC pretty much unreachable for alot of players...fortunately that's not why i'm playing AoC....this is where WAR is shining though...Siege battle is accessable to the SOLO player even....i can only hope AoC can learn from this.
They can only survive in the red so long before they have no choice but shut down. So far they have done a great job of killing their own game.
The PVP patch wasnt the miracle fix they hoped for an the stocks are still plumeting. I dont know anyone that plays this game now as we have all quit and gone to Warhammer.
AC2 did this a few years back, after they pissed off most of their players with constant nerfing and within a year it was gone seems AoC is following the smae path.
So are people trying to say that the AoC player are less likely to use xfire then people that player other games? how does that make any sense? I don't think people understand what the xfire does show is a reasonable clear image of what games get the most play time during a week.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
The percentage is roughly 2-3%.. which is much higher than the sampling done for the Neilson ratings for tv. You can calculate the 2-3% by using WOW, Lotro and AoC (june30) Whenever a game releases official numbers, just go to xfire and see how many players they show and then do the math. Overall, it's like 2-3% for each of the games
Just to put it in perspective.. When Gallop poll determines the voting habits in the USA.. they will poll about 1,000 people.. and use that to represent 70M likely voters... which is basically like .1%
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Will provide you something better a movie is being made by one of my guild members.
Originally posted by Alan0n
How about actually making meaningfull goals ? WOW and AOC are taking PVP where the objective of battle is JUST to kill others without no tactical goals whatsoever.
The current goal is to gain PvP levels ( and get pvp equip) and I think it will be huge grind especially after level 5 . As for meaningful goals thats sieging, Battle Keep is providing you nice bonuses and some other stuff. ( like most of the game all bonuses stats and ability to craft even better equip if you own a BK is not ingame yet but coming soon Funcom TM )
Few more months and I think AoC will be there where it should be at release, so stayed tuned
Dont get me wrong Iam not a fanboi and I would not suggest people to go and buy AoC and wait as updates are "coming soon"... Wait for the updates see how game progress and then decide, few more aka 4 to 6 patches like last one and it could become great. However if such large updates takes so much time as the last one did ( 2, 3 months ) then let say 5 large patches = 1 year, lets hope they will speed up now.
p.s. If you playing AoC now and are unsatisfied -> vote with your wallet do not resubscribe.
Ill beleive it when I see it. Since the game used to have trouble just zoning in and out ( for some people) I highly doubt you could have those numbers and not cause the servers squirrels to explode.
This is the key part with some people here. Old Info. "Used to" yes.. Current No.
So you have conclusive proof that zoning is no longer a problem?
Will provide you something better a movie is being made by one of my guild members.
Originally posted by Alan0n
How about actually making meaningfull goals ? WOW and AOC are taking PVP where the objective of battle is JUST to kill others without no tactical goals whatsoever.
The current goal is to gain PvP levels ( and get pvp equip) and I think it will be huge grind especially after level 5 . As for meaningful goals thats sieging, Battle Keep is providing you nice bonuses and some other stuff. ( like most of the game all bonuses stats and ability to craft even better equip if you own a BK is not ingame yet but coming soon Funcom TM )
Few more months and I think AoC will be there where it should be at release, so stayed tuned
Dont get me wrong Iam not a fanboi and I would not suggest people to go and buy AoC and wait as updates are "coming soon"... Wait for the updates see how game progress and then decide, few more aka 4 to 6 patches like last one and it could become great. However if such large updates takes so much time as the last one did ( 2, 3 months ) then let say 5 large patches = 1 year, lets hope they will speed up now.
p.s. If you playing AoC now and are unsatisfied -> vote with your wallet do not resubscribe.
Ill beleive it when I see it. Since the game used to have trouble just zoning in and out ( for some people) I highly doubt you could have those numbers and not cause the servers squirrels to explode.
This is the key part with some people here. Old Info. "Used to" yes.. Current No.
So you have conclusive proof that zoning is no longer a problem?
Yes cause we are not getting it any longer. I never had it that much but now it's totally gone....
Who uses Xfire anyhow..im a MMO veteran playing mmos for 7-8 years, and i never ever used it...Your source of information its not relevant and pure speculation....
As for AoC, its far from perfect, they brought the PvP patch, they broke some raid encounters...but humans learn from their own mistakes, so are Funcom's devs
Why make a new post about this? Isnt it time you moved to war forums and start the hate there now, or have you started already?
Fact: average player of AoC is 29. Users of xfire is MUCH lower. I have a guild of 200 and NONE of them (that i asked or posed on a poll i did) use xfire, two tried it but there was issues with it and aoc so no longer use it.
What are you talking about? We aint talking about how many are playing!!!!!!!!!!!! We simply using xfire as a ratio population tool.. and even if there where only 100 people using xfire, a drop of 60 people would still be 60% drop on average. Why lie? The hard cold facts are just not nice to you, are they?And now its down to 117th place by rating on this site. How low can it go???
many reason why AOC's population decrease.
1. September school/college start. <<funcom can't fix this.
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2. the 3 month subscribe expired.. << the PVP patch come out too late before the expired, Plus it might be not strong enough for ppl to come back.
3. WAR came out, ppl start it,, (but in 30day you might see some ppl come back from WAR)
4. The server not merge and population is still low for PVP. << Funcom can fix this but they not doing it.
i'm on the the choice 1, it is good that my account expired last night. I might come back in couple month. I hope they merge low population to Tyranny... or i wait for more ppl gets to Lv80.
well i used another one of my friends invites keys and the servers are as empty as always. I tried more than 1 server too where I have toons. nothing's changed, red latency bar, dc's, empty servers.....
stay away from those PVE server which 9 out of 10 is dead..
If you want PVP server go for Tyranny or Deathwhisper,
Or Cinnerma for RP-PVP.
lol @ pve servers. why would anyone even play on those. I have chars on Cimmeria, Deathwisper and blue steel and they are almost all the same (except Cimmeria which is a LITTLE better populated).
Let me thow in some information on server status in AoC.. comments are collected from gamers in one of the therads below.. As you see Derketo, Damballah and Bane is low population. Only join in there if you want less people hunting you while you quest.
Set was Awesome (comments are that somedays good and someday bad... Held to be a typical casual gamer server with large activity fluctuations)
Cimmeria was Packed all night
Thog was Rocking
Doomsayer was more than active
Dagoth was Very active (and perhaps more based on later posts).
Deatwisper was Awesome (upgraded based on later info)
Tyrrany was Awesome
Omm was Perking
Stormrage was PvP Mayhem
Wiccan was Crowed (People had to form a line)
Bluesteel was active (More than normal...)
Derketo was empty or at least had very low population
Damballah has very low population
Bane has very low population
Finally I also hear that some boys set up a fight club on the Gwalldur server. But I do naturally not know to much about that as rule number 8 is not to talk about the members in the club.
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php
Hope this helps
So are people trying to say that the AoC player are less likely to use xfire then people that player other games? how does that make any sense?
I don't think people understand what the xfire does show is a reasonable clear image of what games get the most play time during a week.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
You clearly have no idea how statistics work. Even if the percentage is small it can still give pretty accurate data.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
You clearly have no idea how statistics work. Even if the percentage is small it can still give pretty accurate data.
yes it gives accurate data showing that "For people with XFire installed and running, the number that play AoC is going down". And that's really all they XFire statistics can show. People that actually play, state that there were more players on this weekend than last, and yet XFire shows a decline. This indicites that the XFire users does not reflect the AoC userbase.
That is not true... xfire showed a nice bump for the 3 days after the pvp patch... somethig in the order of 20% more players. Xfire has about 1700 AOC players logging in every day, that is probably a 2-3% sample size which is really high... take for instance the Neilson ratings, which do significantly less than 1% sampling.
They didn't get much more than the weekend bump on XFire, and after the PvP patch it was still down from last week. It was a slower decline than before the PvP patch, but still fewer XFire hours than the week before. But the sampling for XFire is by no standards random, so you can't draw any conclusions about the general AoC population and how that evolves from looking at XFire. Yes, you get some indications, but you can't make any valid statistical claims.
The best statement I have heard against XFire is that it isn't random enough to give a true statistical average of the population.
Most people that run Xfire are younger, more gamer intense people. It would not represent the casual gamer. Therefore it would show what the casual gamer is doing on AoC.
I would think that the intense gamer would not play AoC or have quit all ready due to lack of PVE and PVP rewards/objectives. That would leave XFire under-representing the actual population of AoC due to it likely having an above average of casual players.
I don't believe that this patch has done anything to greatly improve the population. It may have saved it some but not attracted new players. Overall though it is a step in the right direction.
Waiting for the next thing
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
You clearly have no idea how statistics work. Even if the percentage is small it can still give pretty accurate data.
Statistics only work if you know the demographic they cover. If you're looking for an accurate gauge of overall AOC subscribers. I wouldn't rely on X-fire to tell you much, unless you know the average amount of AOC customers who use x-fire. Sorry pal that's how statistics work, if you don't know the average you don't know squat.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I actually re subbed after WAR released, to see how it was doing. I do that with old games alot as i m playing my game of choice i ll see how old ones are doing. On the servers i logged into, i can t see any increase or real decrease. It s still pretty damn barren to me. I don t think this game will ever re coup like some want it to, but i don t think it will be shut dow like others want it to.
Well i'm playing WAR and AOC. AOC is somewhat on the backburner now, but i will see how WAR goes.
However, it's clear, WAR is much much x 100000 more times dependent on server population than AoC. I could play AoC with 2 buddies just fine and -enjoy- it. AoC's theme, atmosphere and combat mechanics is actually an awesome experience. It's -fun- leveling a char.
Now in WAR, leveling/questing is pretty boring. Yes, they threw in Public Quests to spice things up, but ultimately the leveling of a class is painful. Obviously WAR is not about that, it's all about the RvR and mass PvP aspects. Clearly Mythic thought that part out very well and you CAN go siege at lvl 8 and lower already.
But i've already walked into a lowbie RvR zone and no one was there, there were 3 towers to cap and it was pretty much "Eastern Plaguelands" all over [that's in WoW, lvl 55-ish area, which is now mostly deserted with a weak attempt at World-PvP there] .
Oh did i mention how i played a week of WAR and did not see ONE SINGLE PUBLIC CHAT ???! . AoC with low pop and all, has a zillion times more action going on in the chats. THe fact that AoC forces you through 3 main "capitals" or areas all the time = a hub of activity going. WAR does not have it, maybe at end-game lvl with 2 the capitals, but while you level? NOTHING...it's one camp after the other.
My point? If WAR's population goes down , hell even if the factions are too imbalanced [too many people playing destro for example], the game will fall flat. AoC, at least have actual some PvE fun going. THIS is why i'm keeping my eye on AoC, and THIS is also why a medium-low server pop is not that much of a concern to me....on WAR it is.
Of course , Sieges and such will be problematic in AoC if no one is there, but i've played 4 months now and have not experienced any of that. The reliance on massive zerg guilds for guild cities, make this aspect of AoC pretty much unreachable for alot of players...fortunately that's not why i'm playing AoC....this is where WAR is shining though...Siege battle is accessable to the SOLO player even....i can only hope AoC can learn from this.
They can only survive in the red so long before they have no choice but shut down. So far they have done a great job of killing their own game.
The PVP patch wasnt the miracle fix they hoped for an the stocks are still plumeting. I dont know anyone that plays this game now as we have all quit and gone to Warhammer.
AC2 did this a few years back, after they pissed off most of their players with constant nerfing and within a year it was gone seems AoC is following the smae path.
The similarity between AC2 and AOC is staggering to behold.
All you have to do is interchange the name and you couldn't tell the stories apart.
Same story different year.
For those who use x-fire, sure. However, how big of a percentage is that of everyone who plays an MMO?
The percentage is roughly 2-3%.. which is much higher than the sampling done for the Neilson ratings for tv. You can calculate the 2-3% by using WOW, Lotro and AoC (june30) Whenever a game releases official numbers, just go to xfire and see how many players they show and then do the math. Overall, it's like 2-3% for each of the games
Just to put it in perspective.. When Gallop poll determines the voting habits in the USA.. they will poll about 1,000 people.. and use that to represent 70M likely voters... which is basically like .1%