For me, this game proves that there is no such thing as a good or a bad game. There are just different tastes. I hated the game. Despite getting pumped up on the hype, getting into the beta, and genuinely trying to like the game, I found that pretty quickly I was avoiding playing it. Just not my cup of tea. I would have concluded that my experience means that the game is crap, but there are so many people who seem to be enjoying it that this would be an empty statement. I am reminded of my dear old mum being annoyed at adverts on the TV, and me pointing out that she really isn't the target audience for condoms and ipods. I just have to accept that I am not WAR's target audience and move on.
Wow. There are still some really intelligent people on these forums. Thanks for restoring my faith.
(I had the same experience with the game as you did. It's just not my type of game. It doesn't suck, although, it's not particularly revolutionary. For me, it was just "meh." But that certainly doesn't mean that SOME PEOPLE won't absolutely love it.)
I think this game is great! But will agree with others that say if you don't like it... don't play it. Thank god for choices because I much rather play WAR than some other MMOs that either I have gotten bored of or are not my cup of tea.
My analogy was neither correct or incorrect. There was no right or wrong to it, only a value judgement about whether it illustrated my point or not.
Not to rain on your parade, but if your 'analogies' are neither correct nor incorrect...why bother making a new one? Right or wrong, I agree don't matter, but making an analogy is in essence trying to make a parallel to your previous point or opinion and therefor MUST be correct for your debate to progress.
Also, your second analogy...with kids is also irrelevent since you're talking schoolyard politics, and I know you can't compare that kind of behavioral system with trying to establish a mature environment. Kids always act out in extremes, same with some adults (though you know they are immature), and this whole "My dad's cooler than dad.." in all of the variations is very simple and childish.
I have no qualm with what you like or dislike, I play WAR, and I like it. I just brought the point that you can't make sense of the idiocyncracies of some of these extreme posts, as reason and logic don't apply.
You can't expect ppl to all be civilized in a genre that also caters to kids (videogames) and expect mature, sensible discussions on a public, anonymous, and free website...even if they different sections for each mmo. It's not realistic.
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I don't think you are raining on any parade I have going, and I find your remarks well thought out and rational. We both agree to essentially the same thing here, that some people will behave like spoiled children and other people will behave like adults. This doesen't mean that either of us is right or wrong, it simply means we make take different approaches to dealing with the situation.
Your approach in this thread so far seems to be only engaging in conversation with the adults, and ignoring the children. There is nothing wrong with that approach, especially if it works for you. My approach is to try to help the person acting like a spoiled child learn that behavior is eventually self defeating in the long run. I take it as a kind of personal challenge to bring out the better nature in people. I realize this is a lot like Don Quiote tilting at windmills, and you may well be accurate that I'm being silly by appealing to the better nature of my fellow human beings.
As a person who hasn't given up on my fellow human beings, I will keep trying. Your observations are understood, but you can just think of it a as flaw in my personality to be optimistic about the general good nature of the average person. I realize that horrendous examples of human beings exist (maybe better than several people out there). However, for every example of someone who is horrible, I can think of another person I know is a decent human. The best I can do is avoid slipping into apathy about it, and try to help people get along as much as possible. The only tools I have at my disposal are a good natured disposition, a bit of rational thinking, and being willing to try to help someone else grow. I may fail many times more than I have success, and people may laugh at my attempts and failures. However, every success makes it worth the effort.
I didn't know there was a game between the people who don't like WAR, and the one's who do. I just enjoy playing WAR, and leave these forums "games" to trolls and fanbois.
There is no game. It's just clear that many vocal people either like it or hate it.
Trolls are people who try to goad fights "just because"
Fanbois are people who are never willing to see that there are downsides.
A discussion between disparate groups is a discussion.
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For me, this game proves that there is no such thing as a good or a bad game. There are just different tastes. I hated the game. Despite getting pumped up on the hype, getting into the beta, and genuinely trying to like the game, I found that pretty quickly I was avoiding playing it. Just not my cup of tea. I would have concluded that my experience means that the game is crap, but there are so many people who seem to be enjoying it that this would be an empty statement. I am reminded of my dear old mum being annoyed at adverts on the TV, and me pointing out that she really isn't the target audience for condoms and ipods. I just have to accept that I am not WAR's target audience and move on.
Wow. There are still some really intelligent people on these forums. Thanks for restoring my faith.
(I had the same experience with the game as you did. It's just not my type of game. It doesn't suck, although, it's not particularly revolutionary. For me, it was just "meh." But that certainly doesn't mean that SOME PEOPLE won't absolutely love it.)
Either that, or you just didn't give the game a shot (as in, you didn't play it beyond level 20). Somehow I think that's the case for you since you seem to be prejudging the game a little prematurely. If you were expecting revolutionary graphics, then you just made a fool of yourself. Because Mythic never claimed that the game would have revolutionary graphics on par with AoC (and thank god for that since Funcom's game tend to be all eye candy, no substance). It has ALWAYS been the gameplay. What this essentially comes down to is: Graphics whores vs. Gameplay enthusiasts.
Originally posted by Satarious Either that, or you just didn't give the game a shot (as in, you didn't play it beyond level 20). Somehow I think that's the case for you since you seem to be prejudging the game a little prematurely. If you were expecting revolutionary graphics, then you just made a fool of yourself. Because Mythic never claimed that the game would have revolutionary graphics on par with AoC (and thank god for that since Funcom's game tend to be all eye candy, no substance). It has ALWAYS been the gameplay. What this essentially comes down to is: Graphics whores vs. Gameplay enthusiasts.
Let me say right away, you are correct - I didn't play past level 20. But why should I? If I don't like that game up to level 20, why on Earth would I expect to like it after level 20? Levels 0-20 are also part of the game, and should be engaging, fun and representative (at least in some sense) of post level 20 gameplay. The "you didn't give it a fair shot" argument is not a valid position.
As for graphics, the poor graphics did contribute to my dislike somewhat, though it was not the deciding factor. The graphics are not great but also are not too bad. You must admit though that the graphics are worse than LotRO, which is now over a year old. And the problem with AoC is not lack of gameplay (which in my opinion was quite good) but a lack of content.
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Wow. There are still some really intelligent people on these forums. Thanks for restoring my faith.
(I had the same experience with the game as you did. It's just not my type of game. It doesn't suck, although, it's not particularly revolutionary. For me, it was just "meh." But that certainly doesn't mean that SOME PEOPLE won't absolutely love it.)
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I think this game is great! But will agree with others that say if you don't like it... don't play it. Thank god for choices because I much rather play WAR than some other MMOs that either I have gotten bored of or are not my cup of tea.
Waaaagh!
Not to rain on your parade, but if your 'analogies' are neither correct nor incorrect...why bother making a new one? Right or wrong, I agree don't matter, but making an analogy is in essence trying to make a parallel to your previous point or opinion and therefor MUST be correct for your debate to progress.
Also, your second analogy...with kids is also irrelevent since you're talking schoolyard politics, and I know you can't compare that kind of behavioral system with trying to establish a mature environment. Kids always act out in extremes, same with some adults (though you know they are immature), and this whole "My dad's cooler than dad.." in all of the variations is very simple and childish.
I have no qualm with what you like or dislike, I play WAR, and I like it. I just brought the point that you can't make sense of the idiocyncracies of some of these extreme posts, as reason and logic don't apply.
You can't expect ppl to all be civilized in a genre that also caters to kids (videogames) and expect mature, sensible discussions on a public, anonymous, and free website...even if they different sections for each mmo. It's not realistic.
Hope THIS helps.
I don't think you are raining on any parade I have going, and I find your remarks well thought out and rational. We both agree to essentially the same thing here, that some people will behave like spoiled children and other people will behave like adults. This doesen't mean that either of us is right or wrong, it simply means we make take different approaches to dealing with the situation.
Your approach in this thread so far seems to be only engaging in conversation with the adults, and ignoring the children. There is nothing wrong with that approach, especially if it works for you. My approach is to try to help the person acting like a spoiled child learn that behavior is eventually self defeating in the long run. I take it as a kind of personal challenge to bring out the better nature in people. I realize this is a lot like Don Quiote tilting at windmills, and you may well be accurate that I'm being silly by appealing to the better nature of my fellow human beings.
As a person who hasn't given up on my fellow human beings, I will keep trying. Your observations are understood, but you can just think of it a as flaw in my personality to be optimistic about the general good nature of the average person. I realize that horrendous examples of human beings exist (maybe better than several people out there). However, for every example of someone who is horrible, I can think of another person I know is a decent human. The best I can do is avoid slipping into apathy about it, and try to help people get along as much as possible. The only tools I have at my disposal are a good natured disposition, a bit of rational thinking, and being willing to try to help someone else grow. I may fail many times more than I have success, and people may laugh at my attempts and failures. However, every success makes it worth the effort.
I hope this helps.
There is no game. It's just clear that many vocal people either like it or hate it.
Trolls are people who try to goad fights "just because"
Fanbois are people who are never willing to see that there are downsides.
A discussion between disparate groups is a discussion.
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Wow. There are still some really intelligent people on these forums. Thanks for restoring my faith.
(I had the same experience with the game as you did. It's just not my type of game. It doesn't suck, although, it's not particularly revolutionary. For me, it was just "meh." But that certainly doesn't mean that SOME PEOPLE won't absolutely love it.)
Either that, or you just didn't give the game a shot (as in, you didn't play it beyond level 20). Somehow I think that's the case for you since you seem to be prejudging the game a little prematurely. If you were expecting revolutionary graphics, then you just made a fool of yourself. Because Mythic never claimed that the game would have revolutionary graphics on par with AoC (and thank god for that since Funcom's game tend to be all eye candy, no substance). It has ALWAYS been the gameplay. What this essentially comes down to is: Graphics whores vs. Gameplay enthusiasts.
Since when did WINNERS play for 2nd place?
Let me say right away, you are correct - I didn't play past level 20. But why should I? If I don't like that game up to level 20, why on Earth would I expect to like it after level 20? Levels 0-20 are also part of the game, and should be engaging, fun and representative (at least in some sense) of post level 20 gameplay. The "you didn't give it a fair shot" argument is not a valid position.
As for graphics, the poor graphics did contribute to my dislike somewhat, though it was not the deciding factor. The graphics are not great but also are not too bad. You must admit though that the graphics are worse than LotRO, which is now over a year old. And the problem with AoC is not lack of gameplay (which in my opinion was quite good) but a lack of content.
Since when did WINNERS play for 2nd place?
And who said he meant WINNER in terms of sub numbers?