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Cannons and swords?
I love the game footage so far. But why the mix of cannons and wizards? They could have just as easily used catapults on the land based siege equipment and balista for the ships... I guess it’s my preference to keep the games with guns outa my games with swords..
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It's a pretty common theme with War 40k and Warcraft.
Which is the exact reason most Darkfall fans who already don't like the idea will be even more suspicious of it.
Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.
Which is the exact reason most Darkfall fans who already don't like the idea will be even more suspicious of it.
I highly doubt that any world that could develope anything similar to magic would ever find a use for canons or similar. It just seems kinda silly.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
I agree entirely, I dislike the fact that there are magical based cannons. The idea just
to me for some reason. I think the game would flow together much better with land based cannons over the magical based. Just IMO.
Cannons were created hundreds of years before guns ever came out.
there is warhulks too
its awesome...
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the flying attack platforms don't fit it either. But they are cool.
I feel your pain. I was under the impression catapults would be used. Only thing cannons should have been used for was ships.
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I feel your pain. I was under the impression catapults would be used. Only thing cannons should have been used for was ships.
i new warhulks where going ot be used just didnt know they hovered LOL
Its not historical MMO.
Guess Cannons are in for practical reasons and IMO best Naval warfare in real history was the time ships used sails and had cannons. Scullers and ballisters may be more true to the "timeline" but would make things more complicated and maybe more unenjoyable to handle.
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DarthRaiden Post +1, Win.
Don’t forget the hover tanks with flame throwers and lasers or the 19th century ships of the line with their one size fits all machine gun cannons either.
All looks like quite good fun but for how long I don’t know.
Disappointing when I was expecting authentic siege weapons and ships, or at lease some sort of coherent design principle.
Just looks like a mess to me, Judging by the video I doubt we will be seeing many if any realistic sieges or naval battles along with their associated real world tactics.
Somehow I don't see Darkfall being a historical representation of our progress.
So why are we comparing it?
And Warhammer 40k is the future stuff, like space age future stuff. Warhammer is the .. well WAR.
there arent guns far as i've seen/heard.
Only thing disturbing me is those hovercrafts, I say wtf? Where in hell did they get that idèa? I love what Darkfall could become, but seeing those in the video made me a bit dissapointed. What ever happend to the old ballista, catapult, trebushe, ram and canon sieges? Why in gods name to they have to have hovercrafts in the middle of everything?
"Greek Fire" or "liquid fire" was already used in 7th Century, first in the Battle of Constantinople 674 and was invented 670. The equipment for to use this reminds of flamethrower and also later being used in form of hand grenades made of earthenware vessels.
But like i said this isn't an historical MMO.
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DarthRaiden theres a big difference between Greek fire which I’m very familiar with and flame throwers.
Check the video for yourself again , flame thrower as in modern flamethrowers say from tanks from the 2nd world war commonly used in the pacific are a much more accurate description of the weaponry on the hover tanks.
Greek Fire had a much more limited range and was primarily used on ships for naval battles not mounted on floating tanks to attack city’s.
I appreciate you are trying to support these design decisions but most people who see the hover tanks in the video will think flamethrowers and lasers, not Greek fire.
Most people who see the 19th century SOL’s in the video will think battle of Trafalgar not some kind of medieval type fantasy sea battles.
Most people who see the hand grenades are not going to think “earthenware vessels containing greek fire” they are just going to think hand grenades from war movies.
And then they are going to ask if we have cannons, and flamethrowers and grenades why don’t we have any forms of firearm?
And if we have tanks and 19th century ships and grenades and cannons why are we still running around in medieval armor and using swords?
And if we have floating vehicles why don’t we have any form of flying vehicles?, and why are we still bothering with mounts and cavalry when we could have hovering vehicles for transport?
As I said this looks fun, and its not really that important if the game is actually good but it is disappointing, especially for the people like myself who have been following the game for years and got the impression this would be a fantasy / medieval based world even from the official FAQ, and then the developers reveal things like hover tanks and 19th century ships of the line this close to release.
This is in coherent and inconsistent and its not a believable world to me personally.
Its more like at some time during the development the developers asked what can we add that’s “cool”, and someone said “I know lets do hover tanks and ships from the pirates of the Caribbean!”, and someone else said “yeah and lets have flamethrowers and grenades and cannons to!”
how can anything 'not fit' in a fantasy setting?
Magic can make anyhting be explained logically
Great points. That’s what I would have written if I were more eloquent. Lol. And another point! Why would I “fly” my hover siege weapon into arrow range when I could just put a cannon on it and stay safe? It takes away from the immersion factor in the game and to me that is the most important thing…
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how can anything 'not fit' in a fantasy setting?
Magic can make anyhting be explained logically
the platforms seem to be powered by jet fuel , hat doesnt fit in with a magical world
It is called magic. It operates in ways that are beyond our comprehension. It has its own set of rules that are logically baffiling to us. If its workings were not so elusive, would it not be science?
A dragon is acceptable, but a simple controlled explosion is not? If you can control the wind, why row? If you can trap a fire elemental and make it do your bidding, why build an extremely complex (mechanically speaking) stone thrower?
Also, as per the warhulks: It has come up many times on the official df forums that wheels require diffucult animations and are likely to cause lag. I am not an expert, but it comes up quite a lot. This may be the reason that the warhulks hover?
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I don’t think magic can explain away everything… If it was a magic based weapon, don’t you think they would have come up with something more creative then something that looks exactly like a cannon? Like a giant sunflower… Or something… See, that’s why I don’t make games.
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why cant it be a normal cannon? thats how i interpreted it, seemed like a normal ass cannon to me considering the cannon balls coming out. i'd said the warhaulks are propelled by some sort of magic, though considering how successful hovercrafts have been with today's technologies.
If they didn't have cannons they would have to take out the whole boat aspect which would be a waste. Becuase what else could attack off a boat besides a catapult really?
Sometimes it's better to just accept it for the sake of a more fun and full game overall. I think they made the right choice.
I think they wanted an explanation that didn't lead directly to "why no pistols?"
therefore magic was said to be used to propel the balls instead of gunpowder
I guess you could still have magic pistols, but whatever.
but yeah, cannons are in for the ships. also, cannons are faster at leveling huge castles, a realistic fight w/o cannons but with catapults took a long time.
plus this way you can sail into a port, take out a wall, rush in and take the city. pirates are fun, no?