DAoC is on it's way out, I don't care WTF Mythic says, I've seen the servers recently as I levelled my Inf and SB from 1-50 over the past few months. I also remember what the game was like a few months after release, when Salisbury Plains was bustling with people, Mithra packed to the gills, Barrows and the Henge as well. Those places are deserted now, nothing but 2 groups on a REALLY good night, although there always seems to be a Necro with a bot in there.
So where is everyone? TOA? Not really many people there either. Hmmm... they must be out RVRing, right? Heh, yeah, a couple hundred people TOTAL, from all sides- again on a really good night.
Everyone's bailing because the game has outlived it's fun factor, it's time to stop ranting and throwing little pissy fits of denial like the hamburger helper here and find something new to do. He's just all butt-hurt cos as much as he's bitching about people being afraid to be alone, he doesn't want y'all to leave him hanging in e-main on a friday night, all by himself.
I quit a month ago, and I'm not going back- ever. This once-great game has lost it's luster, time to move on to greener pastures.
Otto!
I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
Even tho' i have quit along with a few others, i still see high populations on the server i played (lanc). I too remember the plains bustling with people and the constant struggle to find a camp spot in mithra, keltoi and barrows....all now deserted.
So where do the 2000 players i regulary see online come from? Is it just people have swapped from lanc alb? Is it that for every player online he has an alt logged on too?
Camelot is making a comeback. Won't get me back. Too many good memories. I would tear up if an old friend saw me log on and asked where I was. Yeah I am a pussy, so what. Anyways I quit because of the reason I bought it-pvp. There just is not enough of it. I was tired of frontier hunting for hours just to get a few realm points. Artifacts were impossible to get and MOD was lame...just all killed it.
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--Comedy and propriety... going together like Peanut Butter and Turpentine--
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
This is the same thing that happened with EQ, and with other mmorpgs. It wil be the fate of pretty much all of them. Unless a game comes out that can change its engine, gameplay, content, storyline etc etc... then its going to burn out.
The day you see a game server going down for a patch that changes the game 300%... is the day you see a game that has alot of life left in it. Expansions do not do this. All they do is add content.
This games is and was so dead for such a long time. I cannot understand why its got a 8 anything on the rating. Its slow ( Kindergarden gamish) after they put the stick and face commands in the game it was dead.
No skill required to play. Just remember the moto for DAOC.. NERF any class that gets over populated and keep MEZZ STUN MEZZ STUN and you will be ok.
it should be in the 4.0 rating right there with Meridian 59
Tsen - 50 Gimp Pally Merlin
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
Yeah, their approach to RVR (around which the whole game is based) has been pretty f-ed up. It was sad to see that after leaving for several years and coming back, it was still the same old crap. Like you said, mezz stun-mezz stun...
Otto!
I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
Mythic still have the honour of making the best mmorpg in my opinion. They gave us attack combinations unlike EQ and AC with their just hit the attack key for combat....something that was revisited in SWG with its queue line combat of spamming your most damaging attack then pop off to make a cup of tea.
On Lanc i still see a population of 1700 folks plus online during the UK evening time...going up to 2000 plus later on. This is the same population i saw online when i first started playing. I doubt Daoc is in any real trouble atm....whether this will change with EQ 2 and WoW will we just have to see!
Daoc became a way of life to some of the people i knew on Daoc. They will find it hard to give up!
Originally posted by panache Mythic still have the honour of making the best mmorpg in my opinion. They gave us attack combinations unlike EQ and AC with their just hit the attack key for combat....something that was revisited in SWG with its queue line combat of spamming your most damaging attack then pop off to make a cup of tea. On Lanc i still see a population of 1700 folks plus online during the UK evening time...going up to 2000 plus later on. This is the same population i saw online when i first started playing. I doubt Daoc is in any real trouble atm....whether this will change with EQ 2 and WoW will we just have to see! Daoc became a way of life to some of the people i knew on Daoc. They will find it hard to give up!
Pan
I second your opinion Pan. I enjoyed DAoC and I love the lowbie levels, which is why I have a lot of low level toons but only 1 level 50 . Having said that, I find that the crafting system needs a revamp, there should be more incentives for low-level guys (up to 45) to group, and finally I must say that Trials of Atlantis killed my interest in the game. I cannot comment on the new frontiers but I hope people are having fun!
I am Ashen-Shugar! I am Valheru! sang a voice within, in a torrent of anger, battle madness, and bloodlust.
I respect your opinion. But its far from the facts. sorry. So many ppl quit they have to offer a come back to DAOC 3 times. In thoses 3 times they have done nothing but frustraite thier players and piss off most of us who play these games for a living.
NOT in my opinion but facts the BEST mmorpg is eq even today. FACT ..
SOrry i know it hurts!!! .. But numbers dont lie. The 1700 people you see online are 1700 people for basically 3 servers .. each realm. if they are even out the servers which they are not. so there are 400 albs .. 400 mids and 400 hibs.. hmm numbers dont look right wait there more!! the BOTS.
anyways .. real numbers of actual players is so low the game is boring and lame.
FACT: They keep nerfing classes when they get overpopulated.
FACT: The game is BORING as hell. what makes it fun i ask any hardcore gamers. . Well its lame no skill game with stick and face.
FACT: Its graphics are old and weak
FACT: Its RVR system you stated is the best !! NOT >> its slow and the method of playing is 1 tiered. that meaning for you young ones, is the level is what dets your dmg. LAME .. ex: 50 attacks a 45 .. 45 = dead
no skill required to kill that 45 or visa versa .. 45 no way could kill that 50.
why you ask. because 1 tiered system .. its so lame only small minded ppl would enjoy this game now.
Use to be you have to fight and had a chance to win in a fight with a 45 now your just fubar.
Not to upset the 10 percent who find this game fun but us High level players need more skill when it comes to killing someone then just mezz stun mezz dead one by one. lame system
sorry,
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i think it largely varries with your taste. I went from Daoc to SWG, to FFXI, to Lineage 2, and now im back to DAoC. in all the mmo's ive played i really think daoc is the best one, sure the graphics are outdated, but the catacombs expansion due out at the end of the year will change that, but overall i think the game is great. the world for pve is large enough that my girlfriend and i can explore and find spots where we can level alone, the crafting system (while slow) is the best out of all those other games and is very diverse, and with the new weapons/armors its much less cookie cutter.
but, i think the orgininal poster has one key point that rings true. the last expansion, ToA, is 100% aweful. i bought my other half and i the platinum edition so we got it by default, but i wish we didnt have it. it brings out everything that is wrong with mmo's. in FFXI i quit because some lv. 75 japanese would be camping EVERY notorious mob around the clock to get the best items, items which he had no intention of ever using, just getting it to sell. now, thanks to ToA the same problem exists in daoc for EVERY artifact. its so bad that i cant even level on the harpys (lv. 34 mob) because some lv. 50 is camping everyone of the 4 island they are on waiting for an artifact mob to spawn. its completely out of control.
all in all though, i still like it, but it frustrates me that mythic hasnt done anything to fix the camping problems.
I disagree. I think the game lost its muster along time ago. Its new graphics wont fix the games limited favortism on the mids and hibs. I really think the lost it. The dont balance the classes in the realms instead they pump up one class then when ppl move to it they nerf it. It really funny.
Like i stated ill buy the engine in a year or two after mythic closes its doors.
There not enough ppl interested in this game anymore.
Maybe then i can fix the balance and remove all the instas from the game and make it where tanks are needed and every class will have to fight to live in NF not this mezz stun mezz crap.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
(Repeat)
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
Originally posted by Tsen I disagree. I think the game lost its muster along time ago. Its new graphics wont fix the games limited favortism on the mids and hibs. I really think the lost it. The dont balance the classes in the realms instead they pump up one class then when ppl move to it they nerf it. It really funny.
Like i stated ill buy the engine in a year or two after mythic closes its doors.
There not enough ppl interested in this game anymore. Maybe then i can fix the balance and remove all the instas from the game and make it where tanks are needed and every class will have to fight to live in NF not this mezz stun mezz crap.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die. (Repeat)
guh, its senseless posting when people like this feel disenfranchised by mythic so they think they know whet EVERYONE else feels about it. contrary to what you people think world wide im almost certain mythic has some 60,000+ subscribers, at at least 45,000+ are on everday during peak hours. given a $14 a month fee that totals out to almost $900,000. this has been sustained for 3 years now. the last table i saw with active subscriptions this game was still in the top 7, and is going on its 3d retail expansion. you youngsters who think you know whats going on really dont have a clue, or at leastyour arguements are so flimsy that you have no proof to back up any of your statements.
and im fairly certain that a year or two after mythic closes you wont want the engine. Mythic has 4 companies it has contracts with for co-production rights and Vivendi universal as a publisher on top of the fact that every penny they make now is raw profit considering the initial investment costs have all been paid in full. there is no way that server up keep and the independant mythic team working on expansions consumers more than $900,000 a year. sorry to inform you Tsen, but Daoc is going to be around for a long time
I worked for Viviendi .. 900,000 a year .. my god you need to buy a calculator. 45k players OMG that was 2 years ago. CURRENT UPDATE!!! .. 20k users and that at peek. and that with euro ppl..
Well we will see,. I know 3 things . vivendi is a shell and hosts all games like lord of the rings wow and alot more but daoc has not made the market marks for money and already been put on the out list.
This is can tell you comes from vivendi.
all fixes and patches are done at vivendi .. GUESS what that teams moved to LORD OF THE RINGS MMORPG. hmm
so lets see .. words are cheep.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
Originally posted by Tsen I worked for Viviendi .. 900,000 a year .. my god you need to buy a calculator. 45k players OMG that was 2 years ago. CURRENT UPDATE!!! .. 20k users and that at peek. and that with euro ppl..
right now at 1:24p est time on a thursday their are 32,219 people logged in playing world wide. given the fact that people work and/or are in school im willing to bet that number goes up anywhere from 50-80% for prime time hours. its clear you have no clue what your talking about.
What I am saying is back in the day, were any of you there? when the servers were new and we actually...get this......explored..we hunted for items, we didnt get them from our mains. It was fun, and still is fun, but really its a lot more fun with a lot of low lvls to do it with you. So again let me say this but preface it again... I've got 5 lvl 50's getting to 50 is not an issue for me. I just would like to start fresh on a diffrent server that is still chalaging, i.e. no mains to drop me a plat for a little pocket money, or armor and weapons to take me from lvl 1 to 40. Hell i'd even go so far as to say no buff bots, god forbid you rely on your character's skill alone. To some this idea is fun, maybe not to some of you. But hey thats your openion and I do agree with you that it took alot of people a while to get to 50 and some of their MLs and artifacts weren't the easyest thing to get, and you should have the chance to enjoy it for as long as you like. All i'm saying is that I think it would be fun...for me (and maybe alot of other people), not saying it would be fun for you...these are those things we call opinions.
<----- bought DAoC special pre-order from EB on the day of release -
I remember when the first person on our server completed their first Epic - it was an event - everyone crowded just to take a look at it - now people are selling their epic for less than a plat, or just salvaging it as junk.
BUT - the game has grown, the players have grown - new challenges are required.
IMHO - with NF it was an important step at addressing some of the key issues that were plaguing end game since day 1 (too many and varied to mention).
ToA - not happy with this one - nice glowies but MLs are another grind again - and for those who have done that its sad to grind just to get a level for an arti
and MLs are altogether bad - balance issues and broken things - they have been trying to fix these things with the classes for years. It seemed like they were almost complete and a whole new set of balance issuea arose.
well
the game is good but has several problems inherent to it's design -- the game pushes you to end game BUT once you reach there it's static - roam and kill - RvR. Take a keep etc.. For people who join a game tha i so immersive its opressive to feel that your toon no longer grows, no longer develops. SO rr12 - MLs etc... but it cant be TOO unbalancing because some people are playing on the same system they were when DAoC went gold - and their comps cant handle it --
so the /level to encourage alts (and became the bot fest, probably the saddest thing to happen to clerics,shamies,and druids) , higher level BGS etc. Mythic is working to try to keep the players involved but keeps helping them toward the static end game.
They either have to move the level cap and allow for a higher level "planar bg" , or open up the WHOLE RvR (not pvp gank like Dred, allow a huge set of cahllenges and then Boom - middie outside sieging Cammie ), maybe a new server (one char per -no bots that destroyed the reason fora real healer) or something to help people feel like they are back on that treadmill again - because thats what every MMo is about
Originally posted by Tsen I worked for Viviendi .. 900,000 a year .. my god you need to buy a calculator. 45k players OMG that was 2 years ago. CURRENT UPDATE!!! .. 20k users and that at peek. and that with euro ppl..
right now at 1:24p est time on a thursday their are 32,219 people logged in playing world wide. given the fact that people work and/or are in school im willing to bet that number goes up anywhere from 50-80% for prime time hours. its clear you have no clue what your talking about.
Its clear i don't know what i am talking about. lol .. OK .. your right there so many ppl in the game its the worlds best mmorpg. DAMN its so crowded last night i could not move .. wow your so right dude.
4 ppl in barrows
on 4 servers.
15 ppl in catacombs
on 2 servers
2 ppl on the other 2
67 to 80 ppl in the whole NF zone ..
on 4 servers.
MAN there gotta be a private place for the 32k other players.
Oh wait there swimming in toa.
oR in AC pling there 5 other bots and twinks
btw ac had 34 on merlin and 45 on lancelot ..
man i dont know those numbers got me scared on population .
but your right there must a newbee conventions that us old timers are not invited to .. the whole 32k players must be hidding in NF .. BUT hey who cares ..
you feel you have to justify your time playing a relic game so be it.
facts are fact and words are cheep .
well see how long this lasts.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
Right now there are 35,000 people online. I am not saying that population is not an issue, but you all miss the causes.
DAOC came out on a tuesday and I bought in on that tursday. It was great at first in that it was new and everyone was around the same level. Igraine just opened so it was easy and fun to get groups. Comeing from EQ I was so happy to see a good mmorpg for once. When the first year went by and SI came out it felt as though there was a massive influx of players. Guilds on our servers doubled and trippled in size.
But that was then and this is now. The game is not new so that first experience is not there and cannot come back. It sucks, but that is the way it always is. After a couple of months, the players all disapeared. There are now more people subscribing to the game than ever before. Not even counting buffbots, there seems to be more players now than ever. But if that is the case, then why so few people?
1. People are not playing as often or as long as before. I know I don't and most people I know do not. This decreases the popluation.
2. There are about 5 servers with large populations and 12 with low populations. If you play on the 12 things are much worse. Instead of people going to those servers to play, people are leaving those servers to go to other servers.
3. The suburban effect. I think this is missed in online games and hurts DAOC worse. Say you have 1500 people online. Lets assume eaual (HA!) between the servers so that means 500 each. Now spread those people out to all of the zones. Then take away crafting from having to be done in the captial cities. People are in their houses, people are in the BG, in RvR, out leveling in all sorts of places. So just like the suburbs made people leave the city it is happening online as well. The more people in a smaller area the more contact you have.
Leveling is often a treadmill. I think it has made it harder for new players. No one to group with. Even before /lvl 20 people would simply powerlevel each other. This is not good for new players because they never learn how to play.
Each expansion will most likely make the problem worse and not better in terms of this. More zones with the same amount of people. Increasing population density would seem to be the answer. Unfortunatly, unless we get a lot more activity on those 12 servers raising the population to 2000, or increase the number of players then it won't get better. There may be some creative ways to solve this problem, but it might mean closing a couple of servers and readjusting the populations for a final answer:(
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DAoC is on it's way out, I don't care WTF Mythic says, I've seen the servers recently as I levelled my Inf and SB from 1-50 over the past few months. I also remember what the game was like a few months after release, when Salisbury Plains was bustling with people, Mithra packed to the gills, Barrows and the Henge as well. Those places are deserted now, nothing but 2 groups on a REALLY good night, although there always seems to be a Necro with a bot in there.
So where is everyone? TOA? Not really many people there either. Hmmm... they must be out RVRing, right? Heh, yeah, a couple hundred people TOTAL, from all sides- again on a really good night.
Everyone's bailing because the game has outlived it's fun factor, it's time to stop ranting and throwing little pissy fits of denial like the hamburger helper here and find something new to do. He's just all butt-hurt cos as much as he's bitching about people being afraid to be alone, he doesn't want y'all to leave him hanging in e-main on a friday night, all by himself.
I quit a month ago, and I'm not going back- ever. This once-great game has lost it's luster, time to move on to greener pastures.
Otto!
I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
EQ: Horlain (Firiona Vie)
DAOC: Kaizur (Guinevere)
Even tho' i have quit along with a few others, i still see high populations on the server i played (lanc). I too remember the plains bustling with people and the constant struggle to find a camp spot in mithra, keltoi and barrows....all now deserted.
So where do the 2000 players i regulary see online come from? Is it just people have swapped from lanc alb? Is it that for every player online he has an alt logged on too?
Wish i knew the answer!
Pan
Pan
Camelot is making a comeback. Won't get me back. Too many good memories. I would tear up if an old friend saw me log on and asked where I was. Yeah I am a pussy, so what. Anyways I quit because of the reason I bought it-pvp. There just is not enough of it. I was tired of frontier hunting for hours just to get a few realm points. Artifacts were impossible to get and MOD was lame...just all killed it.
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--Comedy and propriety... going together like Peanut Butter and Turpentine--
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
This is the same thing that happened with EQ, and with other mmorpgs. It wil be the fate of pretty much all of them. Unless a game comes out that can change its engine, gameplay, content, storyline etc etc... then its going to burn out.
The day you see a game server going down for a patch that changes the game 300%... is the day you see a game that has alot of life left in it. Expansions do not do this. All they do is add content.
This games is and was so dead for such a long time. I cannot understand why its got a 8 anything on the rating. Its slow ( Kindergarden gamish) after they put the stick and face commands in the game it was dead.
No skill required to play. Just remember the moto for DAOC.. NERF any class that gets over populated and keep MEZZ STUN MEZZ STUN and you will be ok.
it should be in the 4.0 rating right there with Meridian 59
Tsen - 50 Gimp Pally Merlin
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Otto!
I'm looking for some friends that I lost contact with over the years...
EQ: Horlain (Firiona Vie)
DAOC: Kaizur (Guinevere)
Its is sad . They have a winning idea . But a very sad developement department.
They cannot fix simple things like casting thru door and walls .. How hard is it to put a X and Y axis in the game .. Get off 1 demsions.
But like the proven for over 2 years they cannot fix it because they dont have the talent to do it.
Now they are hoping the Euro's bring them money because the USA people got fed up with there crap .. I wonder how long the euro;s take to get fed up.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Mythic still have the honour of making the best mmorpg in my opinion. They gave us attack combinations unlike EQ and AC with their just hit the attack key for combat....something that was revisited in SWG with its queue line combat of spamming your most damaging attack then pop off to make a cup of tea.
On Lanc i still see a population of 1700 folks plus online during the UK evening time...going up to 2000 plus later on. This is the same population i saw online when i first started playing. I doubt Daoc is in any real trouble atm....whether this will change with EQ 2 and WoW will we just have to see!
Daoc became a way of life to some of the people i knew on Daoc. They will find it hard to give up!
Pan
Pan
I second your opinion Pan. I enjoyed DAoC and I love the lowbie levels, which is why I have a lot of low level toons but only 1 level 50
. Having said that, I find that the crafting system needs a revamp, there should be more incentives for low-level guys (up to 45) to group, and finally I must say that Trials of Atlantis killed my interest in the game. I cannot comment on the new frontiers but I hope people are having fun!
I am Ashen-Shugar! I am Valheru! sang a voice within, in a torrent of anger, battle madness, and bloodlust.
I respect your opinion. But its far from the facts. sorry. So many ppl quit they have to offer a come back to DAOC 3 times. In thoses 3 times they have done nothing but frustraite thier players and piss off most of us who play these games for a living.
NOT in my opinion but facts the BEST mmorpg is eq even today. FACT ..
SOrry i know it hurts!!! .. But numbers dont lie. The 1700 people you see online are 1700 people for basically 3 servers .. each realm. if they are even out the servers which they are not. so there are 400 albs .. 400 mids and 400 hibs.. hmm numbers dont look right wait there more!! the BOTS.
anyways .. real numbers of actual players is so low the game is boring and lame.
FACT: They keep nerfing classes when they get overpopulated.
FACT: The game is BORING as hell. what makes it fun i ask any hardcore gamers. . Well its lame no skill game with stick and face.
FACT: Its graphics are old and weak
FACT: Its RVR system you stated is the best !! NOT >> its slow and the method of playing is 1 tiered. that meaning for you young ones, is the level is what dets your dmg. LAME .. ex: 50 attacks a 45 .. 45 = dead
no skill required to kill that 45 or visa versa .. 45 no way could kill that 50.
why you ask. because 1 tiered system .. its so lame only small minded ppl would enjoy this game now.
Use to be you have to fight and had a chance to win in a fight with a 45 now your just fubar.
Not to upset the 10 percent who find this game fun but us High level players need more skill when it comes to killing someone then just mezz stun mezz dead one by one. lame system
sorry,
FACTS ARE FACTS:
Dont hate me !!! just love me
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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i think it largely varries with your taste. I went from Daoc to SWG, to FFXI, to Lineage 2, and now im back to DAoC. in all the mmo's ive played i really think daoc is the best one, sure the graphics are outdated, but the catacombs expansion due out at the end of the year will change that, but overall i think the game is great. the world for pve is large enough that my girlfriend and i can explore and find spots where we can level alone, the crafting system (while slow) is the best out of all those other games and is very diverse, and with the new weapons/armors its much less cookie cutter.
but, i think the orgininal poster has one key point that rings true. the last expansion, ToA, is 100% aweful. i bought my other half and i the platinum edition so we got it by default, but i wish we didnt have it. it brings out everything that is wrong with mmo's. in FFXI i quit because some lv. 75 japanese would be camping EVERY notorious mob around the clock to get the best items, items which he had no intention of ever using, just getting it to sell. now, thanks to ToA the same problem exists in daoc for EVERY artifact. its so bad that i cant even level on the harpys (lv. 34 mob) because some lv. 50 is camping everyone of the 4 island they are on waiting for an artifact mob to spawn. its completely out of control.
all in all though, i still like it, but it frustrates me that mythic hasnt done anything to fix the camping problems.
Whoa...
People still play this game?
I disagree. I think the game lost its muster along time ago. Its new graphics wont fix the games limited favortism on the mids and hibs. I really think the lost it. The dont balance the classes in the realms instead they pump up one class then when ppl move to it they nerf it. It really funny.
Like i stated ill buy the engine in a year or two after mythic closes its doors.
There not enough ppl interested in this game anymore.
Maybe then i can fix the balance and remove all the instas from the game and make it where tanks are needed and every class will have to fight to live in NF not this mezz stun mezz crap.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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guh, its senseless posting when people like this feel disenfranchised by mythic so they think they know whet EVERYONE else feels about it. contrary to what you people think world wide im almost certain mythic has some 60,000+ subscribers, at at least 45,000+ are on everday during peak hours. given a $14 a month fee that totals out to almost $900,000. this has been sustained for 3 years now. the last table i saw with active subscriptions this game was still in the top 7, and is going on its 3d retail expansion. you youngsters who think you know whats going on really dont have a clue, or at leastyour arguements are so flimsy that you have no proof to back up any of your statements.
and im fairly certain that a year or two after mythic closes you wont want the engine. Mythic has 4 companies it has contracts with for co-production rights and Vivendi universal as a publisher on top of the fact that every penny they make now is raw profit considering the initial investment costs have all been paid in full. there is no way that server up keep and the independant mythic team working on expansions consumers more than $900,000 a year. sorry to inform you Tsen, but Daoc is going to be around for a long time
I worked for Viviendi .. 900,000 a year .. my god you need to buy a calculator. 45k players OMG that was 2 years ago. CURRENT UPDATE!!! .. 20k users and that at peek. and that with euro ppl..
Well we will see,. I know 3 things . vivendi is a shell and hosts all games like lord of the rings wow and alot more but daoc has not made the market marks for money and already been put on the out list.
This is can tell you comes from vivendi.
all fixes and patches are done at vivendi .. GUESS what that teams moved to LORD OF THE RINGS MMORPG. hmm
so lets see .. words are cheep.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Its clear i don't know what i am talking about. lol .. OK .. your right there so many ppl in the game its the worlds best mmorpg. DAMN its so crowded last night i could not move .. wow your so right dude.
4 ppl in barrows
on 4 servers.
15 ppl in catacombs
on 2 servers
2 ppl on the other 2
67 to 80 ppl in the whole NF zone ..
on 4 servers.
MAN there gotta be a private place for the 32k other players.
Oh wait there swimming in toa.
oR in AC pling there 5 other bots and twinks
btw ac had 34 on merlin and 45 on lancelot ..
man i dont know those numbers got me scared on population .
but your right there must a newbee conventions that us old timers are not invited to .. the whole 32k players must be hidding in NF .. BUT hey who cares ..
you feel you have to justify your time playing a relic game so be it.
facts are fact and words are cheep .
well see how long this lasts.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Sock Puppet
Right now there are 35,000 people online. I am not saying that population is not an issue, but you all miss the causes.
DAOC came out on a tuesday and I bought in on that tursday. It was great at first in that it was new and everyone was around the same level. Igraine just opened so it was easy and fun to get groups. Comeing from EQ I was so happy to see a good mmorpg for once. When the first year went by and SI came out it felt as though there was a massive influx of players. Guilds on our servers doubled and trippled in size.
But that was then and this is now. The game is not new so that first experience is not there and cannot come back. It sucks, but that is the way it always is. After a couple of months, the players all disapeared. There are now more people subscribing to the game than ever before. Not even counting buffbots, there seems to be more players now than ever. But if that is the case, then why so few people?
1. People are not playing as often or as long as before. I know I don't and most people I know do not. This decreases the popluation.
2. There are about 5 servers with large populations and 12 with low populations. If you play on the 12 things are much worse. Instead of people going to those servers to play, people are leaving those servers to go to other servers.
3. The suburban effect. I think this is missed in online games and hurts DAOC worse. Say you have 1500 people online. Lets assume eaual (HA!) between the servers so that means 500 each. Now spread those people out to all of the zones. Then take away crafting from having to be done in the captial cities. People are in their houses, people are in the BG, in RvR, out leveling in all sorts of places. So just like the suburbs made people leave the city it is happening online as well. The more people in a smaller area the more contact you have.
Leveling is often a treadmill. I think it has made it harder for new players. No one to group with. Even before /lvl 20 people would simply powerlevel each other. This is not good for new players because they never learn how to play.
Each expansion will most likely make the problem worse and not better in terms of this. More zones with the same amount of people. Increasing population density would seem to be the answer. Unfortunatly, unless we get a lot more activity on those 12 servers raising the population to 2000, or increase the number of players then it won't get better. There may be some creative ways to solve this problem, but it might mean closing a couple of servers and readjusting the populations for a final answer:(
I like that term you gave me .. Sock Puppet!
But dont hate me because i speak the truth .. love me because i am the one who will be there when you least expect it.
Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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Helllo, My name is Indego Montoya, You killed my father prepare to die.
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