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The AoC Xfire numbers are up Poll !!
OrionMan
Member Posts: 423
Polls proves to be a usefull way to collect the consensus of the MMORPG forums, so I made a poll to establish the consensus on why AoC numbers seem to have stabilized in Xfire as well as it now also seem to increase. 3 of the 4 last days there have in fact been a positive increase in the order of 5-10% (10% today actually) compared to last week.
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Kind of hard to drop below 5000 hours played huh. I guess any small increase is good news. Sort of like the stock price I guess. It drops 90% from its all time high a few months back but one day it gains a few cents and its great news. You did miss one thing on your poll. "The weather was bad ouside so you decided to play AoC." Good luck with your poll though.
The game is dead. Fundamentally flawed in so many ways. So much of the game that was promised still isn't even there. Not to mention its still overinstanced, and still a theme park game. Patches to fix performance won't fix it. Performance didn't kill the game, develop lies did. And so they have fallen from 1,000,000 to under 150,000
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You ignore of course that Saturday was the lowest XFire AoC number in the history of the game.
Your boosts signify, respectively, the 3rd worst, the 2nd worst, and 3rd worst days (measured week by week) in the game's history.
So all you can really draw from it for the last 7 days is: 4 days better, 3 days worse. The game is finally (at lesat for one week) leveling off the playing/population drop.
Since July this has happened twice: the PvP patch and this week. 12 weeks of bleeding and 2 weeks of the status quo.
Let XFire stabilize for 3 weeks and you might have something.
so now we ARE using xfire numbers to determine population...
you flip flop more than a politician
Im sorry but there is no option in your poll for : The OP is using a surge in numbers on Xfire, albeit a tiny lil one, neglecting to mention that over all these numbers are still down. Side Note: OP frequently says that XFIRE and I quote" DOENST MEAN ANYTHING" End quote, when the numbers are falling.
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Here is a quote from Orionman on 9/24/08 on xfire. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I agree. Xfire is useless and the data from those statistics are not very usefull for gauging of population numbers (in particular as AoC in fact also has some compatibility issues with Xfire). The 2% rise could however be good for one thing, which is to set an stopper for all these idiotic AoC xfire analysis posts. That's a blessing in itself
Explain yourself out of this one OrionMan????????
I also do not like these Xfire numbers. i have to admit one thing tough, that it is perhaps more than a funny coincidence that Xfire numbers suddenly stabilize or turn around at the same point the gamers report the game to have improved a lot. People are much more in favour for this game now compared to 1.5 months back
How many are using Xfire? I see many Xfire users on the WAR forum but none on the AoC pages. What does that mean?
To sum up Poll so fare:
AoC attracts old customers again due to the latest AoC performance increase: 25%
AoC attracts new customers due to word of mouth: 13%
AoC now retain it's current customer base much better due to improvements: 13%
WAR is loosing customers, some of these customers now turn to AoC: 10%
New customers are trickeling in as people are upgrading their hardware: 0%
Xfire trends are very irreliable and does not show anything: 39%
That is 56% belive AoC numbers increase due to population increase while 39% belive increased Xfire activity is nothing but a statistical irregularity.
Black is white and white is black. Excellent conclusions.
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Black is white and white is black. Excellent conclusions.
IF and only IF
I bump to get more votes on the increasing Xfire AoC activity pol.
I wouldn't describe the xfire numbers as up at all, they are stable, they droped massivly in June, July and August and the first half of September and are now stable at mid September levels, sure they are a touch higher than late september but with a straight face you surely can't call them up and the same is true with the stock.
Aoc should have a few more stable weeks now but then they have WoW to worry about and I'd expect that to hurt.
Yeah.. it's kinda like how a dead body will stop bleeding once the heart stops beating.
AOC was at 75k when it launched, it is now down to 5k and you are happy that for 2 weeks it has stayed at 5k. At these levels, if two players get a bad case of diarrhea at the same time, it will show up on the charts.
Hmmm, maybe you are right. What I did however was to take the week average and compute the standard deviation between each of the weekdays (not weekend included). Looking on the means with standard dev. bar on top of it the increase is significant (for what it is worth). Anyway summary of poll is
AoC attracts old customers again due to the latest AoC performance increase: 17%
AoC attracts new customers due to word of mouth: 8%
AoC now retain it's current customer base much better due to improvements: 10%
WAR is loosing customers, some of these customers now turn to AoC: 24%
New customers are trickeling in as people are upgrading their hardware: 0%
Xfire trends are very irreliable and does not show anything: 41%
That is 59% belive AoC numbers increase due to population increase while 41% belive increased Xfire activity is nothing but a statistical irregularity.
Hello, X-fire numbers never helped anyone and in AoC only PvP players and RAID guild use them anyways.
I do have notice quite a few new players on my server but the X-fire numbers doesn't show anything for anyone except X-fire.
And I never use it myself.
Hmmm, maybe you are right. What I did however was to take the week average and compute the standard deviation between each of the weekdays (not weekend included). Looking on the means with standard dev. bar on top of it the increase is significant (for what it is worth). Anyway summary of poll is
AoC attracts old customers again due to the latest AoC performance increase: 17%
AoC attracts new customers due to word of mouth: 8%
AoC now retain it's current customer base much better due to improvements: 10%
WAR is loosing customers, some of these customers now turn to AoC: 24%
New customers are trickeling in as people are upgrading their hardware: 0%
Xfire trends are very irreliable and does not show anything: 41%
That is 59% belive AoC numbers increase due to population increase while 41% belive increased Xfire activity is nothing but a statistical irregularity.
There are 5 questions that all indicate that AOC is doing GREAT in this poll and only one that says that XFIRE isnt very reliable. This poll is fundamentaly FANBOI spam and is borderline trolling.
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Hmmm, maybe you are right. What I did however was to take the week average and compute the standard deviation between each of the weekdays (not weekend included). Looking on the means with standard dev. bar on top of it the increase is significant (for what it is worth). Anyway summary of poll is
AoC attracts old customers again due to the latest AoC performance increase: 17%
AoC attracts new customers due to word of mouth: 8%
AoC now retain it's current customer base much better due to improvements: 10%
WAR is loosing customers, some of these customers now turn to AoC: 24%
New customers are trickeling in as people are upgrading their hardware: 0%
Xfire trends are very irreliable and does not show anything: 41%
That is 59% belive AoC numbers increase due to population increase while 41% belive increased Xfire activity is nothing but a statistical irregularity.
There are 5 questions that all indicate that AOC is doing GREAT in this poll and only one that says that XFIRE isnt very reliable. This poll is fundamentaly FANBOI spam and is borderline trolling.
No that's just in your eyes. I already did the math on the xfire numbers. The week average is up this week compared to last week compareing mean playtimenumbers. I also computed standard deviation in between each of the weekday numbers to find the errorbar. Considering all this the increase is indeed significant (as in increase is bigger than errorbar), which means I can say Xfire numbers are up this wek and be right about that. Having established that, the objective of the poll is to find out what people belive the reason for this increase is. It is kind of unlogical to toss in a negative options as it would be completely idiotic for a reader to vote " Yes I belive AoC have higher population because it sucks". Do you see my point? This poll is working as intended.
Moot point - nobody uses Xfire.
Moot point - nobody uses Xfire.
Then where to gather their numbers from?
sept 11 - 6063 hours
sept 18 - 5740 hours
sept 25 - 5292 hours
oct 02 - 5099 hours
oct 09 - 5068 hours
where is the increase?
I miss DAoC
What part of average do you not understand. Take the gametime for every day in a week, sum it up and divide by number of days. This is frequently done when you want to reduce uncertainty in statistics. The particular set of days you have chosen (and I am sure that is not a coincidence) show merely a stabilization this week, while Wednesday and Tuesday both show an increase of 10% to 15% compared to last week. What do you recon is the most productive way to look on these numbers given the spread? Do you think it is better that you use thursdays and me wednesday? Probably not.. It is much better to look on the week average. Week average is also up which means all in all this week people played more than last week. In fact if you look on sub numbers even, you will see there are more subs this week than last week.
I too fail to see any increase here. Averages are for people hanging by a string... The average chance of this string breraking are: *snap*....
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
I too fail to see any increase here. Averages are for people hanging by a string... The average chance of this string breraking are: *snap*....
Hmm you did not get the point. you need an average and multiple datapoints to develop error bar (think about that for a while). And by the way I can post overly positive outlooks if that's what you think I can't. I just try and do it the way it is supposed to be done which is moving average and standard mean.
Friday Sep 26: 5326
Friday Oct 3: 5877
Friday Oct 10: 5901
This represents an 11% increase over the last two weeks.
I too fail to see any increase here. Averages are for people hanging by a string... The average chance of this string breraking are: *snap*....
Hmm you did not get the point. you need an average and multiple datapoints to develop error bar (think about that for a while). And by the way I can post overly positive outlooks if that's what you think I can't. I just try and do it the way it is supposed to be done which is moving average and standard mean.
Friday Sep 26: 5326
Friday Oct 3: 5877
Friday Oct 10: 5901
This represents an 11% increase over the last two weeks.
That only showed an increase on Fridays
How about :
Sep 11: 6063
Sep 18: 5740
Sep 25: 5292
Oct 2: 5099
Oct 9: 5068
looks like the numbers are going down to me.