Ooooo it looks like the hype machine is going into second gear here. People are praising Bioware like they are some kind of gods. They are speculating about a game which we know nothing about yet and basing assumptions on previous games that they've created. And thus already pronoucing it a fantastic success because of this past history. How could they possibly fail? They know how to make a good game. I'm sorry but this is sounding all too familiar.... Replace the name "Bioware"...with Brad McQuaid and then it all becomes much clearer. Seriously guys, for all we know Bioware might be wanting to create a Starwars version of Hellgate where EVERYONE is a jedi.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I played it for quite some time and left. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
I am eager to find out the details as much as others, but lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be everything/nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor, etc.
Ooooo it looks like the hype machine is going into second gear here. People are praising Bioware like they are some kind of gods. They are speculating about a game which we know nothing about yet and basing assumptions on previous games that they've created. And thus already pronoucing it a fantastic success because of this past history. How could they possibly fail? They know how to make a good game. I'm sorry but this is sounding all too familiar.... Replace the name "Bioware"...with Brad McQuaid and then it all becomes much clearer. Seriously guys, for all we know Bioware might be wanting to create a Starwars version of Hellgate where EVERYONE is a jedi.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Sorry figured you were one of those people who like jumping in to hate on a game they care nothing about. I'm not getting my hopes up either based on what I've seen over the years, but I also don't mind hearing others hopes and dreams. I honsetly believe there are less people who have their hopes set too high than you think, at least I hope. If it ended up being a Star Wars version of Guild Wars I would be pissed, but not surprised.
Ooooo it looks like the hype machine is going into second gear here. People are praising Bioware like they are some kind of gods. They are speculating about a game which we know nothing about yet and basing assumptions on previous games that they've created. And thus already pronoucing it a fantastic success because of this past history. How could they possibly fail? They know how to make a good game. I'm sorry but this is sounding all too familiar.... Replace the name "Bioware"...with Brad McQuaid and then it all becomes much clearer. Seriously guys, for all we know Bioware might be wanting to create a Starwars version of Hellgate where EVERYONE is a jedi.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I played it for quite some time and left. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Bioware has a history of good games... this isn't a man... this isn't even a company that made a couple of big games... they consistantly preform very well and their games are almost always contenders for game of the year... does this give some people reason to be excited... hell yeah. Will this game be better than SWG... how can it be worse? It's just the way it is... I'm hella excited about the prospects
Ooooo it looks like the hype machine is going into second gear here. People are praising Bioware like they are some kind of gods. They are speculating about a game which we know nothing about yet and basing assumptions on previous games that they've created. And thus already pronoucing it a fantastic success because of this past history. How could they possibly fail? They know how to make a good game. I'm sorry but this is sounding all too familiar.... Replace the name "Bioware"...with Brad McQuaid and then it all becomes much clearer. Seriously guys, for all we know Bioware might be wanting to create a Starwars version of Hellgate where EVERYONE is a jedi.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I played it for quite some time and left. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Bioware has a history of good games... this isn't a man... this isn't even a company that made a couple of big games... they consistantly preform very well and their games are almost always contenders for game of the year... does this give some people reason to be excited... hell yeah. Will this game be better than SWG... how can it be worse? It's just the way it is... I'm hella excited about the prospects
The same thing was said about Richard Garriott and Tabula Rasa. Still, we've only got 1 more week or so to go before we find out :
"LucasArts' and BioWare's long-awaited, much-discussed joint development project -- widely speculated to be an MMO set in the Star Wars universe circa BioWare's own Knights of the Old Republic -- will be revealed to the press October 21, according to an invitation sent out to media outlets including Gamasutra......"
"The postcard, which proclaims "The wait is over" and promises "the official unveiling of the game that's been rumored about for years," makes no explicit reference to Star Wars. It is branded with the LucasArts and BioWare logos and depicts floating robots and hooded figures in futuristic interior locations reminiscent of the sci-fi franchise."
basically, noone on this planet knows what this game is going to be except bioware and lucas arts. noone should be saying or trying to predict anything until after the 21st. theres no point in the all the "I hope its like this" and the " its not going to be as good as this" garbage. give it a break and wait.
basically, noone on this planet knows what this game is going to be except bioware and lucas arts. noone should be saying or trying to predict anything until after the 21st. theres no point in the all the "I hope its like this" and the " its not going to be as good as this" garbage. give it a break and wait.
Well I think some of the rumors about the game mechanics that have shown up for the last few years are true, we just wont know which rumors were true till the 21st. Remember KOTOR MMO started as a dream back in 2004, followed by more hope in 2005, then rumors in late 2005 of it which grew stronger after the NGE was announced for SWG. I think every rumor has some truth behind it, especially in the game industry.
Great thread, except we still don't even know for sure that Bioware is making a Star Wars MMO.
If you read interviews with the Bioware MMO developers, though, you'll see that their philosophy on gameplay is very different than what led to SWG. It will probably be anything but a sandbox.
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Seriously whats makes people think they will be anything alike.
Most people do not think that they will be alike.
Whoever has followed the development of a few MMOs will be very careful about any new title, no matter how much hyped it is.
Bioware has a good track record, but nevertheless, in their games you can see a strong trend towards linearity:
While BG1 was still very free form, BG2 was already more linear, Kotor 1 still more so (Kotor 2 a bit less, but they were not made by Bioware).
I didn't play Mass Effect, buf I have heard that the main story is very linear (though well done) and the side quests are all cookie cutter. Combat abilities and equipment do not matter at all (its just blam blam blam), and cash is available in abundance.
They have becoming good at doing interactive movies, but gameplay wise they have to innovate a LOT (or copy it from other games) to be attractive on the MMO market.
But I am neither pessimist nor optimist. Just wait and see
Ooooo it looks like the hype machine is going into second gear here. People are praising Bioware like they are some kind of gods. They are speculating about a game which we know nothing about yet and basing assumptions on previous games that they've created. And thus already pronoucing it a fantastic success because of this past history. How could they possibly fail? They know how to make a good game. I'm sorry but this is sounding all too familiar.... Replace the name "Bioware"...with Brad McQuaid and then it all becomes much clearer. Seriously guys, for all we know Bioware might be wanting to create a Starwars version of Hellgate where EVERYONE is a jedi.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Sorry figured you were one of those people who like jumping in to hate on a game they care nothing about. I'm not getting my hopes up either based on what I've seen over the years, but I also don't mind hearing others hopes and dreams. I honsetly believe there are less people who have their hopes set too high than you think, at least I hope. If it ended up being a Star Wars version of Guild Wars I would be pissed, but not surprised.
Enough already, we don't know what the new SW mmo will be like. It could be wow with lightsabers or it could be like diablo a complete single player experience with a multiplayer co-op mechanic. the fact is we wont know till they actually tell us what its going to be.
QFT. It's really getting out of hand, what with people predicting the doom or the success of an MMO that hasn't even been announced yet!!!
I'm as curious about this as the next guy, but predictions about doom and gloom should at least wait till SOMEbody has SOME idea of what the game will actually be.
What makes you people think that there will be a good mmo again ?
We all know how a good mmo looks and plays like. We all know it is to expensive to be produced by an indy company and we all know that the big ones wont sell an ace because that would cut their profit in the long run.
The genre is doomed allready and there is no hope left.
In today's economy I wouldnt even dream to expect anything that differs from the proven money making formula. Honestly I wish Bioware luck in finding investors.
LOL..... I don't think they are going to have a problem, seening how they are owned by EA which paid them 640 million for the company plus LEC which everyone knows Lucas has more money then anyone.
Bioware's budget for the MMO is 100 million dollars, which if im not mistaken is the largest budget of any MMO.
In today's economy I wouldnt even dream to expect anything that differs from the proven money making formula. Honestly I wish Bioware luck in finding investors.
LOL..... I don't think they are going to have a problem, seening how they are owned by EA which paid them 640 million for the company plus LEC which everyone knows Lucas has more money then anyone.
Bioware's budget for the MMO is 100 million dollars, which if im not mistaken is the largest budget of any MMO.
I thought it was 50 mil, did they give a new number?
just finished playing mass effect, its a great game. if this mmo is anything like it (especially the FPS combat system) I will be a happy man. but this is the point of this thread, none of biowares games are sandboxes so people hoping this will be like SWG are only commiting emotional suicide.
the game is bound to have cutscene heavy instanced solo quests, like aoc, guildwars, and lotro, to tell the story bioware style. the only way I can see bioware breaking the mmo trend is when it comes to the combat. if you look at mass effect the game is still very much a RPG, but the combat is pretty twitch and fucking ace.
just finished playing mass effect, its a great game. if this mmo is anything like it (especially the FPS combat system) I will be a happy man. but this is the point of this thread, none of biowares games are sandboxes so people hoping this will be like SWG are only commiting emotional suicide. the game is bound to have cutscene heavy instanced solo quests, like aoc, guildwars, and lotro, to tell the story bioware style. the only way I can see bioware breaking the mmo trend is when it comes to the combat. if you look at mass effect the game is still very much a RPG, but the combat is pretty twitch and fucking ace.
I agree with you here. I love Mass Effect combat system and can't wait to see what Bio/LA have instore for us.
For the sandbox crowd. It will not be a the player driven world like EVE or SWG are. I expect the game to be alot like AoC level 1 to 20 destiny quest with game choices effecting your faction Light or Dark. AoC did a great job there but fail to implement the rest of the game.
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And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I played it for quite some time and left. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
I am eager to find out the details as much as others, but lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be everything/nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor, etc.
Top 10 Most Misused Words in MMO's
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Sorry figured you were one of those people who like jumping in to hate on a game they care nothing about. I'm not getting my hopes up either based on what I've seen over the years, but I also don't mind hearing others hopes and dreams. I honsetly believe there are less people who have their hopes set too high than you think, at least I hope. If it ended up being a Star Wars version of Guild Wars I would be pissed, but not surprised.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I played it for quite some time and left. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Bioware has a history of good games... this isn't a man... this isn't even a company that made a couple of big games... they consistantly preform very well and their games are almost always contenders for game of the year... does this give some people reason to be excited... hell yeah. Will this game be better than SWG... how can it be worse? It's just the way it is... I'm hella excited about the prospects
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I played it for quite some time and left. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Bioware has a history of good games... this isn't a man... this isn't even a company that made a couple of big games... they consistantly preform very well and their games are almost always contenders for game of the year... does this give some people reason to be excited... hell yeah. Will this game be better than SWG... how can it be worse? It's just the way it is... I'm hella excited about the prospects
The same thing was said about Richard Garriott and Tabula Rasa. Still, we've only got 1 more week or so to go before we find out :
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20532
"LucasArts' and BioWare's long-awaited, much-discussed joint development project -- widely speculated to be an MMO set in the Star Wars universe circa BioWare's own Knights of the Old Republic -- will be revealed to the press October 21, according to an invitation sent out to media outlets including Gamasutra......"
"The postcard, which proclaims "The wait is over" and promises "the official unveiling of the game that's been rumored about for years," makes no explicit reference to Star Wars. It is branded with the LucasArts and BioWare logos and depicts floating robots and hooded figures in futuristic interior locations reminiscent of the sci-fi franchise."
Top 10 Most Misused Words in MMO's
basically, noone on this planet knows what this game is going to be except bioware and lucas arts. noone should be saying or trying to predict anything until after the 21st. theres no point in the all the "I hope its like this" and the " its not going to be as good as this" garbage. give it a break and wait.
Well I think some of the rumors about the game mechanics that have shown up for the last few years are true, we just wont know which rumors were true till the 21st. Remember KOTOR MMO started as a dream back in 2004, followed by more hope in 2005, then rumors in late 2005 of it which grew stronger after the NGE was announced for SWG. I think every rumor has some truth behind it, especially in the game industry.
Great thread, except we still don't even know for sure that Bioware is making a Star Wars MMO.
If you read interviews with the Bioware MMO developers, though, you'll see that their philosophy on gameplay is very different than what led to SWG. It will probably be anything but a sandbox.
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Most people do not think that they will be alike.
Whoever has followed the development of a few MMOs will be very careful about any new title, no matter how much hyped it is.
Bioware has a good track record, but nevertheless, in their games you can see a strong trend towards linearity:
While BG1 was still very free form, BG2 was already more linear, Kotor 1 still more so (Kotor 2 a bit less, but they were not made by Bioware).
I didn't play Mass Effect, buf I have heard that the main story is very linear (though well done) and the side quests are all cookie cutter. Combat abilities and equipment do not matter at all (its just blam blam blam), and cash is available in abundance.
They have becoming good at doing interactive movies, but gameplay wise they have to innovate a LOT (or copy it from other games) to be attractive on the MMO market.
But I am neither pessimist nor optimist. Just wait and see
I heard that it was going to be an MMO based on American Graffitti.
And as always along comes all the haters and doubters who said for years BioWare would never work with Lucas Arts on anything again, do an MMO based on anything buy Baulders Gate ect. Please.... just because you aren't looking forward to something is no reason to hate on others who enjoy speculating in threads. Unless this is just a wind up, let them speculate, its not hurting you, me or anyone else.
I think you misunderstand my post. I don't hate the fact that Bioware are releasing an MMO. Great I say. More competition. I love MMO's. I sort of liked Pre-NGE. I could also appreciate some of the reasons for the NGE introduction. But that's all a discussion for another thread...
My point is that people are getting themselves so worked up over hearsay and rumours without actually basing it on any fact at all. Surely people have realised since Vanguards launch that just because a developer has had a good history with a few games doesn't mean that the next one will automatically be a resounding success and designed just like their previous games.
Lets just see where Bioware takes this before automatically assuming that it will be nothing like SWG, WoW, Kotor.
Sorry figured you were one of those people who like jumping in to hate on a game they care nothing about. I'm not getting my hopes up either based on what I've seen over the years, but I also don't mind hearing others hopes and dreams. I honsetly believe there are less people who have their hopes set too high than you think, at least I hope. If it ended up being a Star Wars version of Guild Wars I would be pissed, but not surprised.
Heh, that's a little rich, coming from you...
QFT. It's really getting out of hand, what with people predicting the doom or the success of an MMO that hasn't even been announced yet!!!
I'm as curious about this as the next guy, but predictions about doom and gloom should at least wait till SOMEbody has SOME idea of what the game will actually be.
What makes you people think that there will be a good mmo again ?
We all know how a good mmo looks and plays like. We all know it is to expensive to be produced by an indy company and we all know that the big ones wont sell an ace because that would cut their profit in the long run.
The genre is doomed allready and there is no hope left.
LOL..... I don't think they are going to have a problem, seening how they are owned by EA which paid them 640 million for the company plus LEC which everyone knows Lucas has more money then anyone.
Bioware's budget for the MMO is 100 million dollars, which if im not mistaken is the largest budget of any MMO.
LOL..... I don't think they are going to have a problem, seening how they are owned by EA which paid them 640 million for the company plus LEC which everyone knows Lucas has more money then anyone.
Bioware's budget for the MMO is 100 million dollars, which if im not mistaken is the largest budget of any MMO.
I thought it was 50 mil, did they give a new number?
just finished playing mass effect, its a great game. if this mmo is anything like it (especially the FPS combat system) I will be a happy man. but this is the point of this thread, none of biowares games are sandboxes so people hoping this will be like SWG are only commiting emotional suicide.
the game is bound to have cutscene heavy instanced solo quests, like aoc, guildwars, and lotro, to tell the story bioware style. the only way I can see bioware breaking the mmo trend is when it comes to the combat. if you look at mass effect the game is still very much a RPG, but the combat is pretty twitch and fucking ace.
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I agree with you here. I love Mass Effect combat system and can't wait to see what Bio/LA have instore for us.
For the sandbox crowd. It will not be a the player driven world like EVE or SWG are. I expect the game to be alot like AoC level 1 to 20 destiny quest with game choices effecting your faction Light or Dark. AoC did a great job there but fail to implement the rest of the game.