WP are decent healers but are crap in the frontlines cause they are singled out by both melee and range dps. At the same time DoKs can sneak in to the backline and singlehandedly kill the healers while order is in general trying to hold back the zerging of the other melee destruction classes with not a single tanking or melee spec around.
The grass is always greener on the other side. Priceless.
If this was the case then this game would actually have SAME amount of Order and destruction playing. THis is NOT the case and there is a reason for it.
Now the question is - how is Mythic gonna fix it ? Or are they not gonna fix it - or even break it more like they just did now cause Destruction is perfectly fine with one single healer healing up 6 melee classes that are already domintationg while the order side is filled with nubs stealing renown cause they can't win anyway...
healers are singled out on BOTH sides buddy. Why? because they do turn the tide, THATS how important healers are in this game.
I have 1 guildie, she kicks ass a healer, and alot of people know this. Always near the top as a zealot, usually 70-100k of healing, and she heals every body. Now she cant go into a sc or open rvr without people targeting her, and we essentially assign 2 tanks to body guard her when we head out.
I have both order and destro toons and guess what, about 70% of the scenarios I play have no more than 1 healer. It's totally luck of the draw but to say that because Mythic FIXED a problem with healers and that's why they weren't in scenarios is bad reasoning. I'm in a guild of over 200 people and not 1 of our healers is whining about the fix. They knew it was messed up and they enjoyed it while they could but it's fixed now. They're not quitting their healers because of that. It sounds to me like MMO's may not be a good choice for your gameplay selections. Best of luck to you
kinda funny since I have played mmos for the past 8 years.... lol
You dont fix things by breaking the balance of the game. Mythic created classes and specs thate were unbalanced. THey are not fixing that issue now. THey are doing the EXACT oposide since the melee classes on Order side SUCK (like the melee/healing class compared to Destruction) or the melee class that is supposed to be the counter to Mauraders. Not to mention the tanking specs that BOTH suck on the order side.
ANd you expect this to be balanced when the few intresting classes on Order side were made worthless to play and have now NO chance of lvling up renown at the same pace as the Melee dominating Destro side ? ...
I guess I missed the intent of your original post because it seems like your follow up to my response went a different direction. I'm not saying that you're an MMO noob but this kind of stuff happens from time to time as balance issues are worked out. Listen, anyone who has played a healing class at some point should have recognized that they were almost always tops in renown gained in scenarios. There's an issue with that because it's not balanced. Bringing all healers more in line with other classes is a good thing in my opinion. Again, I don't see that this is going to effect most people's decisions to play healer classes. Now if they nerfed renown gain to the point where all healers are always making less renown than other classes I can see that having a big impact. As far as destro being better than order and all that jazz I'm not going to get into a discussion about that. It's a subjective argument with no end and no point. I play both sides and I don't see that one side has a major class advantage over another.
P.S. At least as far as order tanks go, I play an IB as my main and absolutely love them over the BO and Chosen I played on destro. I'm not a fan of dwarves but I'll play my IB over the destro tanks any time. Just my personal opinion.
Just been playing few scenarios this morning. All of a sudden there is not a SINGLE healer or SINGLE tank in Order side. AM are just dpsing and soloing and who wants to play the crap order tanks ? Just came up against a 3 mauraders - 2 tanks - 3 healing dps and one shaman. Guess what happened ? Mythic just neferd the crap out of the only intresting part of Order side. This was the last straw for me. Its either join the destruction armies dominating ALL servers atm or just stop paying and playing. I desided to do the latter. I have very little belive in a dev team that can't see the real problems. Problems that one side of the game is crap and boring to play while the other is strong in PVP, intresting classes and looks, fun to play and OFC therefor DOMINATING the whole game. No thx. GB:
What did they nerf?
I play Order on Sylvania and we won 3/5 scenarios last night... one was with only 1 WP as the healer.
They nerfed the healing exp so now there are no healers playing or they are trying to dps on the order side. That would be ok if destruction would not have 4 !!!!! strong walkover INTRESTING melee classes while order has crap melee and now squissy dps healers....
healers are singled out on BOTH sides buddy. Why? because they do turn the tide, THATS how important healers are in this game.
I have 1 guildie, she kicks ass a healer, and alot of people know this. Always near the top as a zealot, usually 70-100k of healing, and she heals every body. Now she cant go into a sc or open rvr without people targeting her, and we essentially assign 2 tanks to body guard her when we head out.
Healers are singled out on both sides yes.. but one side needs 4 healers to stop the zerg of melee dps-rs while the other needs just one. Cause yes... tanks take less dmg and are pretty mucn none existant on Order side atm. THats why the only way for order to actually get somewhere was to have 3-4 healers trying to keep the weak range melee up with NO frontline players (no tanks - not WL and very weak WP in terms of taking dmg) against normally 5 !! melee classes zerging the cloth players of order.
This is how it is and its a huge issue that Mythic is not solving atm. Insteadthey made the work of a healing class even less rewarding (if you are loosing that is) meainging that even fewever order players will even bother playing.
I dont see this on our server at all, I played a few hours of rvr last night and we fought against walls of archmages, dwarf tanks, endless dps...
I think destro lost all but 2 last night - but some nights its 50/50 and some nights destro gets in a roll, esp when people know how to play their class
I just dont see this "weak order", I see the team that play smarter normally wins...
sure you might be in trouble if the only thing that shows up is brightmages, but i doubt that kind of thing happens often if at all..
all these x side is stronger and has better y seem to be an indication that mythic got some of the balance right and that both sides struggle against
you seem to be the only one really complaining honestly. I don't see anyone else saying all the healers on the order side quit.
Or it could be that everything the OP posts about WAR has been negative? He should have quit the game when he made the "PVE in War is very weak" topic that is if he even plays it.
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lol dude if tanks are non existant its your server... i play on Tor elyr which is low pop and i see nothing but tanks and healers allt he time....as far as how balanced they are... just like the other guy said thats a bad issue with no end because somebody always thinks something is unbalanced... but also from playing tankls on both sides i have had just as many ironbreakers kick my tail as about anyting as i have had black orcs kick it...... chosen were a blast and again have had just as many of them whomp me on classes ... swordmasters are a blast and had just as many in that to... the big question is what level range are you looking at... ALOT of the classes seem overpowered in ealry levels and well into the 20s but it all starts balancing out after that very well..... and honestly on the healer issue... if people stop playing healers because thier renoun gain is equal to everyone now then they have issues... you should be playing a class because its fun to play that class not because of some number.... feel lucky you get anything form just healing because nto many mmos do that at all.
I have both order and destro toons and guess what, about 70% of the scenarios I play have no more than 1 healer. It's totally luck of the draw but to say that because Mythic FIXED a problem with healers and that's why they weren't in scenarios is bad reasoning. I'm in a guild of over 200 people and not 1 of our healers is whining about the fix. They knew it was messed up and they enjoyed it while they could but it's fixed now. They're not quitting their healers because of that. It sounds to me like MMO's may not be a good choice for your gameplay selections. Best of luck to you
kinda funny since I have played mmos for the past 8 years.... lol
You dont fix things by breaking the balance of the game. Mythic created classes and specs thate were unbalanced. THey are not fixing that issue now. THey are doing the EXACT oposide since the melee classes on Order side SUCK (like the melee/healing class compared to Destruction) or the melee class that is supposed to be the counter to Mauraders. Not to mention the tanking specs that BOTH suck on the order side.
ANd you expect this to be balanced when the few intresting classes on Order side were made worthless to play and have now NO chance of lvling up renown at the same pace as the Melee dominating Destro side ? ...
I guess I missed the intent of your original post because it seems like your follow up to my response went a different direction. I'm not saying that you're an MMO noob but this kind of stuff happens from time to time as balance issues are worked out. Listen, anyone who has played a healing class at some point should have recognized that they were almost always tops in renown gained in scenarios. There's an issue with that because it's not balanced. Bringing all healers more in line with other classes is a good thing in my opinion. Again, I don't see that this is going to effect most people's decisions to play healer classes. Now if they nerfed renown gain to the point where all healers are always making less renown than other classes I can see that having a big impact. As far as destro being better than order and all that jazz I'm not going to get into a discussion about that. It's a subjective argument with no end and no point. I play both sides and I don't see that one side has a major class advantage over another.
P.S. At least as far as order tanks go, I play an IB as my main and absolutely love them over the BO and Chosen I played on destro. I'm not a fan of dwarves but I'll play my IB over the destro tanks any time. Just my personal opinion.
Playing a healer in PVE is not rewarding compared to playing a dmg class. So,... one way to balance it up is to give the healers MORE renown allowing them to become stronger in PVE content cause they generally LVL slower. Renown and rank EXP is NOT the same thing. It sounds to me that DPS classes just watched one stat of the healing class and thought it was unfair that they got more. Stil lthey find it PERFECTLY fine that they can STILL solo play for 2x more renown and play PVE content to lvling, twice if not 3 times faster.
Renown is just ONE part of this game. It shoudl NOT have been a priority at this time to fix. Because it has broken part of the little balance that this game had in terms of order and destruction. And it has defently broken the intrest for healers to spec healers now since they are pretty much FORECED to spec dps to play PVE (PQs are failing big time) and now to get any dencent renown numbers when HALF of the dps classes are SOLOING:
lol dude if tanks are non existant its your server... i play on Tor elyr which is low pop and i see nothing but tanks and healers allt he time....as far as how balanced they are... just like the other guy said thats a bad issue with no end because somebody always thinks something is unbalanced... but also from playing tankls on both sides i have had just as many ironbreakers kick my tail as about anyting as i have had black orcs kick it...... chosen were a blast and again have had just as many of them whomp me on classes ... swordmasters are a blast and had just as many in that to... the big question is what level range are you looking at... ALOT of the classes seem overpowered in ealry levels and well into the 20s but it all starts balancing out after that very well..... and honestly on the healer issue... if people stop playing healers because thier renoun gain is equal to everyone now then they have issues... you should be playing a class because its fun to play that class not because of some number.... feel lucky you get anything form just healing because nto many mmos do that at all.
I have both t3 and t4 characters - healing and dps. Not talking about T1 and 2. Besied these are now barren waistlands of pointless PQs.
LOL of course melee dps should solo faster.. you want balance here is your balance there..... yeah he solos faster but you can solo ALL DAY without worrying about death.... my shaman and runepriest can both solo champs above thier level.... they have even tanked heros..... SOLO.... if your complaining about healers being unbalanced go play DAoC lol where most healers couldnt solo well or if you could you coudlnt heal well lol.... so many people that complain are just to dang spoiled with new MMO's.... any healer in this game can solo perfectly well in time with any other class.... yes theat bright wizard may 1 shot 3 mobs to your 1 but when he blows his arse up or gets more then 1 on him and dies you kill 5 in his run back.... same wiht witch hunters or tanks for that matter..... about the only thing pve to kill healers is something way higehr then them lol provided you play them right.
LOL of course melee dps should solo faster.. you want balance here is your balance there..... yeah he solos faster but you can solo ALL DAY without worrying about death.... my shaman and runepriest can both solo champs above thier level.... they have even tanked heros..... SOLO.... if your complaining about healers being unbalanced go play DAoC lol where most healers couldnt solo well or if you could you coudlnt heal well lol.... so many people that complain are just to dang spoiled with new MMO's.... any healer in this game can solo perfectly well in time with any other class.... yes theat bright wizard may 1 shot 3 mobs to your 1 but when he blows his arse up or gets more then 1 on him and dies you kill 5 in his run back.... same wiht witch hunters or tanks for that matter..... about the only thing pve to kill healers is something way higehr then them lol provided you play them right.
I have both order and destro toons and guess what, about 70% of the scenarios I play have no more than 1 healer. It's totally luck of the draw but to say that because Mythic FIXED a problem with healers and that's why they weren't in scenarios is bad reasoning. I'm in a guild of over 200 people and not 1 of our healers is whining about the fix. They knew it was messed up and they enjoyed it while they could but it's fixed now. They're not quitting their healers because of that. It sounds to me like MMO's may not be a good choice for your gameplay selections. Best of luck to you
kinda funny since I have played mmos for the past 8 years.... lol
You dont fix things by breaking the balance of the game. Mythic created classes and specs thate were unbalanced. THey are not fixing that issue now. THey are doing the EXACT oposide since the melee classes on Order side SUCK (like the melee/healing class compared to Destruction) or the melee class that is supposed to be the counter to Mauraders. Not to mention the tanking specs that BOTH suck on the order side.
ANd you expect this to be balanced when the few intresting classes on Order side were made worthless to play and have now NO chance of lvling up renown at the same pace as the Melee dominating Destro side ? ...
I guess I missed the intent of your original post because it seems like your follow up to my response went a different direction. I'm not saying that you're an MMO noob but this kind of stuff happens from time to time as balance issues are worked out. Listen, anyone who has played a healing class at some point should have recognized that they were almost always tops in renown gained in scenarios. There's an issue with that because it's not balanced. Bringing all healers more in line with other classes is a good thing in my opinion. Again, I don't see that this is going to effect most people's decisions to play healer classes. Now if they nerfed renown gain to the point where all healers are always making less renown than other classes I can see that having a big impact. As far as destro being better than order and all that jazz I'm not going to get into a discussion about that. It's a subjective argument with no end and no point. I play both sides and I don't see that one side has a major class advantage over another.
P.S. At least as far as order tanks go, I play an IB as my main and absolutely love them over the BO and Chosen I played on destro. I'm not a fan of dwarves but I'll play my IB over the destro tanks any time. Just my personal opinion.
Playing a healer in PVE is not rewarding compared to playing a dmg class. So,... one way to balance it up is to give the healers MORE renown allowing them to become stronger in PVE content cause they generally LVL slower. Renown and rank EXP is NOT the same thing. It sounds to me that DPS classes just watched one stat of the healing class and thought it was unfair that they got more. Stil lthey find it PERFECTLY fine that they can STILL solo play for 2x more renown and play PVE content to lvling, twice if not 3 times faster.
Renown is just ONE part of this game. It shoudl NOT have been a priority at this time to fix. Because it has broken part of the little balance that this game had in terms of order and destruction. And it has defently broken the intrest for healers to spec healers now since they are pretty much FORECED to spec dps to play PVE (PQs are failing big time) and now to get any dencent renown numbers when HALF of the dps classes are SOLOING:
For one, don't even start talking about what is more rewarding -- a healer or damage class -- The most underappreciated class is a Tank and thats the truth. You rarely ever see a tank on top for kills, XP, Renown, or Damage. Healers rarely notice when they're taking little damage because a tank has their guard on you. And tanks rarely do enough damage to get the killing blow.
But you know what -- tanks on the order side are some of the most important classes. I play a Swordmaster on Ungrim and I love it. Compared to the same level WP that I protect I never get nearly as much XP or Renown as him because he does more damage, and gets more heals, and because of me he lives long enough to do both, so if you're whining you should be whining about why they don't give tanks more RP and XP for taking damage.
Also, I've been in tons of PQs and it seems that they are just becoming popular on my server. I can go into any area and find a group for a PQ.
I also think that if you don't like playing order you should come play destruction on Ungrim, I'll see you there
this comming from the guy who is complaining about healers <sigh> well i know very well you cant argue with anyone of that maturity range you nicely showed .....so try not to have to much fun playing your abused healer class in this "broken" game that you are still paying for and still playing <bows to Frobner>
i totally agree....us tanks are the LEAST appreciated and LEAST rewarded group in the game, but damn if it isnt fun being a pain in the butt and having everyone target you with no avail
These posts are getting very old. Order is getting pwned order is getting this. Look some days when you log into a scenerio the right people are joining and the next day they are not. Take yesterday for me for example. Im a Black Orc BTW, On my server (dark crag) everyone is doing Tor Anroc so i logged into it out of 5 scenerios i only won 1. 1 i tell you every single time i loaded up 5 freaking bright wizards and healers to back them up. We were getting pwned but did i cry no i played a damn PQ and went on without the damn scenerios. Theres more the this crappy game then scenerio's
Just been playing few scenarios this morning. All of a sudden there is not a SINGLE healer or SINGLE tank in Order side. AM are just dpsing and soloing and who wants to play the crap order tanks ? Just came up against a 3 mauraders - 2 tanks - 3 healing dps and one shaman. Guess what happened ? Mythic just neferd the crap out of the only intresting part of Order side. This was the last straw for me. Its either join the destruction armies dominating ALL servers atm or just stop paying and playing. I desided to do the latter. I have very little belive in a dev team that can't see the real problems. Problems that one side of the game is crap and boring to play while the other is strong in PVP, intresting classes and looks, fun to play and OFC therefor DOMINATING the whole game. No thx. GB:
What did they nerf?
I play Order on Sylvania and we won 3/5 scenarios last night... one was with only 1 WP as the healer.
They nerfed the healing exp so now there are no healers playing or they are trying to dps on the order side. That would be ok if destruction would not have 4 !!!!! strong walkover INTRESTING melee classes while order has crap melee and now squissy dps healers....
No thx.
First, you don't know what you are talking about. They didn't nerf XP, they addressed some balance issues with the way RP was awarded to healers in Scenarios. Funny thing, played my Archmage all last night, 85% healing, 15% DPS and was always in the top three for RP rewards. So, complete non-issue.
Second, if this was an issue, it would effect both sides equally. Are you suggestion that Order is full of petty brats who would stop playing proper healers because of a percieved nerf, but Destruction players have the brains to understand your issue isn't really an issue at all?
As we all know, the renown nerf ONLY affects order and the destruction healers get a bonus to healing, that is why they are oding their job and the order healers are trying to DPS. Right?
Bottom line is, you can't win a scenerio if you try to DPS as a healer. You get more renown for a victory than just healing in a match, before and after this nerf patch. So it makes no sense for order healers to attempt DPS. If this is truly the logic people are using, then there MUSt be an obvious intelligence and age gap between order and destruction. But I don't think that is the case. It's just bad luck happening to people.
Also this patch does not affect tanks in any way. so the lack of order tanks are for a completely different reason. I think it has to do with tier 3 and 4 Bright Wizards busting out 400k damage in scenerios.
i totally agree....us tanks are the LEAST appreciated and LEAST rewarded group in the game, but damn if it isnt fun being a pain in the butt and having everyone target you with no avail
I reward Ironbreakers with a shank to the eye. . .
I play a Swordmaster as an alt so I do understand what you are talking about and you have my appreciation . This is actually the only game I rolled a DPS class as my main. Most of the time I play healers or tanks as my main, but until they release Blackguards I will be playing my Witch Elf.
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WP are decent healers but are crap in the frontlines cause they are singled out by both melee and range dps. At the same time DoKs can sneak in to the backline and singlehandedly kill the healers while order is in general trying to hold back the zerging of the other melee destruction classes with not a single tanking or melee spec around.
If this was the case then this game would actually have SAME amount of Order and destruction playing. THis is NOT the case and there is a reason for it.
Now the question is - how is Mythic gonna fix it ? Or are they not gonna fix it - or even break it more like they just did now cause Destruction is perfectly fine with one single healer healing up 6 melee classes that are already domintationg while the order side is filled with nubs stealing renown cause they can't win anyway...
Why do you thi nk they are singled out..
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healers are singled out on BOTH sides buddy. Why? because they do turn the tide, THATS how important healers are in this game.
I have 1 guildie, she kicks ass a healer, and alot of people know this. Always near the top as a zealot, usually 70-100k of healing, and she heals every body. Now she cant go into a sc or open rvr without people targeting her, and we essentially assign 2 tanks to body guard her when we head out.
kinda funny since I have played mmos for the past 8 years.... lol
You dont fix things by breaking the balance of the game. Mythic created classes and specs thate were unbalanced. THey are not fixing that issue now. THey are doing the EXACT oposide since the melee classes on Order side SUCK (like the melee/healing class compared to Destruction) or the melee class that is supposed to be the counter to Mauraders. Not to mention the tanking specs that BOTH suck on the order side.
ANd you expect this to be balanced when the few intresting classes on Order side were made worthless to play and have now NO chance of lvling up renown at the same pace as the Melee dominating Destro side ? ...
I guess I missed the intent of your original post because it seems like your follow up to my response went a different direction. I'm not saying that you're an MMO noob but this kind of stuff happens from time to time as balance issues are worked out. Listen, anyone who has played a healing class at some point should have recognized that they were almost always tops in renown gained in scenarios. There's an issue with that because it's not balanced. Bringing all healers more in line with other classes is a good thing in my opinion. Again, I don't see that this is going to effect most people's decisions to play healer classes. Now if they nerfed renown gain to the point where all healers are always making less renown than other classes I can see that having a big impact. As far as destro being better than order and all that jazz I'm not going to get into a discussion about that. It's a subjective argument with no end and no point. I play both sides and I don't see that one side has a major class advantage over another.
P.S. At least as far as order tanks go, I play an IB as my main and absolutely love them over the BO and Chosen I played on destro. I'm not a fan of dwarves but I'll play my IB over the destro tanks any time. Just my personal opinion.
What did they nerf?
I play Order on Sylvania and we won 3/5 scenarios last night... one was with only 1 WP as the healer.
They nerfed the healing exp so now there are no healers playing or they are trying to dps on the order side. That would be ok if destruction would not have 4 !!!!! strong walkover INTRESTING melee classes while order has crap melee and now squissy dps healers....
No thx.
LOL you really beleive that?
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Healers are singled out on both sides yes.. but one side needs 4 healers to stop the zerg of melee dps-rs while the other needs just one. Cause yes... tanks take less dmg and are pretty mucn none existant on Order side atm. THats why the only way for order to actually get somewhere was to have 3-4 healers trying to keep the weak range melee up with NO frontline players (no tanks - not WL and very weak WP in terms of taking dmg) against normally 5 !! melee classes zerging the cloth players of order.
This is how it is and its a huge issue that Mythic is not solving atm. Insteadthey made the work of a healing class even less rewarding (if you are loosing that is) meainging that even fewever order players will even bother playing.
you seem to be the only one really complaining honestly. I don't see anyone else saying all the healers on the order side quit.
Why even play an mmo if your just concerned about instanced scenarios.
I dont see this on our server at all, I played a few hours of rvr last night and we fought against walls of archmages, dwarf tanks, endless dps...
I think destro lost all but 2 last night - but some nights its 50/50 and some nights destro gets in a roll, esp when people know how to play their class
I just dont see this "weak order", I see the team that play smarter normally wins...
sure you might be in trouble if the only thing that shows up is brightmages, but i doubt that kind of thing happens often if at all..
all these x side is stronger and has better y seem to be an indication that mythic got some of the balance right and that both sides struggle against
Or it could be that everything the OP posts about WAR has been negative? He should have quit the game when he made the "PVE in War is very weak" topic that is if he even plays it.
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lol dude if tanks are non existant its your server... i play on Tor elyr which is low pop and i see nothing but tanks and healers allt he time....as far as how balanced they are... just like the other guy said thats a bad issue with no end because somebody always thinks something is unbalanced... but also from playing tankls on both sides i have had just as many ironbreakers kick my tail as about anyting as i have had black orcs kick it...... chosen were a blast and again have had just as many of them whomp me on classes ... swordmasters are a blast and had just as many in that to... the big question is what level range are you looking at... ALOT of the classes seem overpowered in ealry levels and well into the 20s but it all starts balancing out after that very well..... and honestly on the healer issue... if people stop playing healers because thier renoun gain is equal to everyone now then they have issues... you should be playing a class because its fun to play that class not because of some number.... feel lucky you get anything form just healing because nto many mmos do that at all.
Or he should L2P his class and just stop complaining.
kinda funny since I have played mmos for the past 8 years.... lol
You dont fix things by breaking the balance of the game. Mythic created classes and specs thate were unbalanced. THey are not fixing that issue now. THey are doing the EXACT oposide since the melee classes on Order side SUCK (like the melee/healing class compared to Destruction) or the melee class that is supposed to be the counter to Mauraders. Not to mention the tanking specs that BOTH suck on the order side.
ANd you expect this to be balanced when the few intresting classes on Order side were made worthless to play and have now NO chance of lvling up renown at the same pace as the Melee dominating Destro side ? ...
I guess I missed the intent of your original post because it seems like your follow up to my response went a different direction. I'm not saying that you're an MMO noob but this kind of stuff happens from time to time as balance issues are worked out. Listen, anyone who has played a healing class at some point should have recognized that they were almost always tops in renown gained in scenarios. There's an issue with that because it's not balanced. Bringing all healers more in line with other classes is a good thing in my opinion. Again, I don't see that this is going to effect most people's decisions to play healer classes. Now if they nerfed renown gain to the point where all healers are always making less renown than other classes I can see that having a big impact. As far as destro being better than order and all that jazz I'm not going to get into a discussion about that. It's a subjective argument with no end and no point. I play both sides and I don't see that one side has a major class advantage over another.
P.S. At least as far as order tanks go, I play an IB as my main and absolutely love them over the BO and Chosen I played on destro. I'm not a fan of dwarves but I'll play my IB over the destro tanks any time. Just my personal opinion.
Playing a healer in PVE is not rewarding compared to playing a dmg class. So,... one way to balance it up is to give the healers MORE renown allowing them to become stronger in PVE content cause they generally LVL slower. Renown and rank EXP is NOT the same thing. It sounds to me that DPS classes just watched one stat of the healing class and thought it was unfair that they got more. Stil lthey find it PERFECTLY fine that they can STILL solo play for 2x more renown and play PVE content to lvling, twice if not 3 times faster.
Renown is just ONE part of this game. It shoudl NOT have been a priority at this time to fix. Because it has broken part of the little balance that this game had in terms of order and destruction. And it has defently broken the intrest for healers to spec healers now since they are pretty much FORECED to spec dps to play PVE (PQs are failing big time) and now to get any dencent renown numbers when HALF of the dps classes are SOLOING:
I have both t3 and t4 characters - healing and dps. Not talking about T1 and 2. Besied these are now barren waistlands of pointless PQs.
LOL of course melee dps should solo faster.. you want balance here is your balance there..... yeah he solos faster but you can solo ALL DAY without worrying about death.... my shaman and runepriest can both solo champs above thier level.... they have even tanked heros..... SOLO.... if your complaining about healers being unbalanced go play DAoC lol where most healers couldnt solo well or if you could you coudlnt heal well lol.... so many people that complain are just to dang spoiled with new MMO's.... any healer in this game can solo perfectly well in time with any other class.... yes theat bright wizard may 1 shot 3 mobs to your 1 but when he blows his arse up or gets more then 1 on him and dies you kill 5 in his run back.... same wiht witch hunters or tanks for that matter..... about the only thing pve to kill healers is something way higehr then them lol provided you play them right.
Lol - if u die as a BW u sure suck ....
i target BWs alot :P actually its the only class i do target..so squishy....mmmmmmm (yes chosen can break snares :P )
kinda funny since I have played mmos for the past 8 years.... lol
You dont fix things by breaking the balance of the game. Mythic created classes and specs thate were unbalanced. THey are not fixing that issue now. THey are doing the EXACT oposide since the melee classes on Order side SUCK (like the melee/healing class compared to Destruction) or the melee class that is supposed to be the counter to Mauraders. Not to mention the tanking specs that BOTH suck on the order side.
ANd you expect this to be balanced when the few intresting classes on Order side were made worthless to play and have now NO chance of lvling up renown at the same pace as the Melee dominating Destro side ? ...
I guess I missed the intent of your original post because it seems like your follow up to my response went a different direction. I'm not saying that you're an MMO noob but this kind of stuff happens from time to time as balance issues are worked out. Listen, anyone who has played a healing class at some point should have recognized that they were almost always tops in renown gained in scenarios. There's an issue with that because it's not balanced. Bringing all healers more in line with other classes is a good thing in my opinion. Again, I don't see that this is going to effect most people's decisions to play healer classes. Now if they nerfed renown gain to the point where all healers are always making less renown than other classes I can see that having a big impact. As far as destro being better than order and all that jazz I'm not going to get into a discussion about that. It's a subjective argument with no end and no point. I play both sides and I don't see that one side has a major class advantage over another.
P.S. At least as far as order tanks go, I play an IB as my main and absolutely love them over the BO and Chosen I played on destro. I'm not a fan of dwarves but I'll play my IB over the destro tanks any time. Just my personal opinion.
Playing a healer in PVE is not rewarding compared to playing a dmg class. So,... one way to balance it up is to give the healers MORE renown allowing them to become stronger in PVE content cause they generally LVL slower. Renown and rank EXP is NOT the same thing. It sounds to me that DPS classes just watched one stat of the healing class and thought it was unfair that they got more. Stil lthey find it PERFECTLY fine that they can STILL solo play for 2x more renown and play PVE content to lvling, twice if not 3 times faster.
Renown is just ONE part of this game. It shoudl NOT have been a priority at this time to fix. Because it has broken part of the little balance that this game had in terms of order and destruction. And it has defently broken the intrest for healers to spec healers now since they are pretty much FORECED to spec dps to play PVE (PQs are failing big time) and now to get any dencent renown numbers when HALF of the dps classes are SOLOING:
For one, don't even start talking about what is more rewarding -- a healer or damage class -- The most underappreciated class is a Tank and thats the truth. You rarely ever see a tank on top for kills, XP, Renown, or Damage. Healers rarely notice when they're taking little damage because a tank has their guard on you. And tanks rarely do enough damage to get the killing blow.
But you know what -- tanks on the order side are some of the most important classes. I play a Swordmaster on Ungrim and I love it. Compared to the same level WP that I protect I never get nearly as much XP or Renown as him because he does more damage, and gets more heals, and because of me he lives long enough to do both, so if you're whining you should be whining about why they don't give tanks more RP and XP for taking damage.
Also, I've been in tons of PQs and it seems that they are just becoming popular on my server. I can go into any area and find a group for a PQ.
I also think that if you don't like playing order you should come play destruction on Ungrim, I'll see you there
this comming from the guy who is complaining about healers <sigh> well i know very well you cant argue with anyone of that maturity range you nicely showed .....so try not to have to much fun playing your abused healer class in this "broken" game that you are still paying for and still playing <bows to Frobner>
i totally agree....us tanks are the LEAST appreciated and LEAST rewarded group in the game, but damn if it isnt fun being a pain in the butt and having everyone target you with no avail
These posts are getting very old. Order is getting pwned order is getting this. Look some days when you log into a scenerio the right people are joining and the next day they are not. Take yesterday for me for example. Im a Black Orc BTW, On my server (dark crag) everyone is doing Tor Anroc so i logged into it out of 5 scenerios i only won 1. 1 i tell you every single time i loaded up 5 freaking bright wizards and healers to back them up. We were getting pwned but did i cry no i played a damn PQ and went on without the damn scenerios. Theres more the this crappy game then scenerio's
What did they nerf?
I play Order on Sylvania and we won 3/5 scenarios last night... one was with only 1 WP as the healer.
They nerfed the healing exp so now there are no healers playing or they are trying to dps on the order side. That would be ok if destruction would not have 4 !!!!! strong walkover INTRESTING melee classes while order has crap melee and now squissy dps healers....
No thx.
First, you don't know what you are talking about. They didn't nerf XP, they addressed some balance issues with the way RP was awarded to healers in Scenarios. Funny thing, played my Archmage all last night, 85% healing, 15% DPS and was always in the top three for RP rewards. So, complete non-issue.
Second, if this was an issue, it would effect both sides equally. Are you suggestion that Order is full of petty brats who would stop playing proper healers because of a percieved nerf, but Destruction players have the brains to understand your issue isn't really an issue at all?
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As we all know, the renown nerf ONLY affects order and the destruction healers get a bonus to healing, that is why they are oding their job and the order healers are trying to DPS. Right?
Bottom line is, you can't win a scenerio if you try to DPS as a healer. You get more renown for a victory than just healing in a match, before and after this nerf patch. So it makes no sense for order healers to attempt DPS. If this is truly the logic people are using, then there MUSt be an obvious intelligence and age gap between order and destruction. But I don't think that is the case. It's just bad luck happening to people.
Also this patch does not affect tanks in any way. so the lack of order tanks are for a completely different reason. I think it has to do with tier 3 and 4 Bright Wizards busting out 400k damage in scenerios.
I reward Ironbreakers with a shank to the eye. . .
I play a Swordmaster as an alt so I do understand what you are talking about and you have my appreciation . This is actually the only game I rolled a DPS class as my main. Most of the time I play healers or tanks as my main, but until they release Blackguards I will be playing my Witch Elf.
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