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Why is it that Blizzard must steal ideas from other games to be successful?
Servase
Member Posts: 180
I mean, why can't they just make their own game and be happy. The new WOTLK expansion is stealing even MORE ideas from Warhammer. Not like they didn't do enough when blizzard basically copied the whole concept and artwork of Warhammer. But now they're taking more of the great ideas of Mythic.
In WOTLK, you will be able to queue to BG's anywhere. You will be able to earn EXP from PVP and obtain random gear drops from PVP. They're adding a whole zone just for PVP as well as siege weapons.
The list goes on of what they're 'stealing' from WAR and what they've already stolen from the Warhammer Ip and other games.
When will they make their "own" game? When I look at WoW, I just see a bunch of other great concepts smashed into one. It's like Runescape but in third person.
/discuss
Playing: WoW,
Played: Aion, AoC, Eve, EQ, EQ2, LOTRO, Runescape, Guild Wars, DAoC, Planetside, SWG, WAR, Darkfall
Wanting to try: DCU Online
Waiting For: Star Wars The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2.
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And WAR is totally original? I mean Mythic didn't look at WOW and take all the best parts from that game and attempt to build upon them? lol. Every great game or object in the world has copied something else, it's part of evolving. All the changed Blizzard are making will make WOW a better game so why not do it? I mean the ideas they're putting into the game wern't invented by WAR.
Also look at Warhammer and Warcraft concept art and you'll see that it's very different and so is the lore, just because they took inspiration from Warhammer doesn't make it a bad thing : WAR took fron dnd and Lotr which then took from myths and shit.
talk about raising a thread from the dead
But it works that's why game companies have been doing it way before MMO's ever came about. That's why there are now a slew of games that use the same ideas pioneered by rockstar games and the GTA franchise, becaues it sells. You could jump completely out of the video game market and see it in any market in the capitalist system. People are constanly thinking, " How can I take this and make it better.
Because they know that execution trumps ideas. While other companies tout how "novel" and "innovative" they are, Blizzard keeps turning out games that run well, look good and are fun to play.
at some point people realise blizzard are taking the michael.
Everything they do has 0 to do with gameplay and everything to do with money.
OFC they are going to copy stuff that works - the question should be why didnt they come up with it sooner insteead of having people grind rep or the same instances over and over, why dont they just offer long standing players a fre level 70 of another class instread of RAF, why hasnt siege warfare been i nthe game till now when it was promised yat launch ?
These measurew il lkeep wow on top for a good while yet - it is just that more experienced players that want those aspects will go get them in a game where they mean something and it isnt all about me me me me me and keeping 12 year olds happy.
/nod
Not exactly a new topic.
Here you go, OP, more rumours for your own paranoid enjoyment:
- WoW was supposed to become Warhammer, but didn't get the licence from Games Workshop
- When they were denied the licence, WoW was far into pre-production, so they just changed the lore and a lot of other stuff, but the art work was not changed.
- GW accused Blizzard for stealing copyrighted material, ending with a settlement where Blizzard paid an unknown amount of money
NOT based on rumours:
"EverQuest is the big foundation for WoW."
Quote from Blizzard's J Allen Brack, senior producer of WotLK
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=190535
at some point people realise blizzard are taking the michael.
Everything they do has 0 to do with gameplay and everything to do with money.
OFC they are going to copy stuff that works - the question should be why didnt they come up with it sooner insteead of having people grind rep or the same instances over and over, why dont they just offer long standing players a fre level 70 of another class instread of RAF, why hasnt siege warfare been i nthe game till now when it was promised yat launch ?
These measurew il lkeep wow on top for a good while yet - it is just that more experienced players that want those aspects will go get them in a game where they mean something and it isnt all about me me me me me and keeping 12 year olds happy.
The achiever-oriented dikuMUD formula is what it is. Blizzard was never going to change it, they just polished it up to a spit shine. That's what they do - they let other companies take the innovation risks then come in and make a far more solid, polished product. And the consumers win both ways.
Yes their games are shallow (StarCraft hugely aside), but they work and they are entertaining. Rather than play the repetitive grind, just enjoy it for what it is then quit until the next thing comes along.
/nod
Not exactly a new topic.
Here you go, OP, more rumours for your own paranoid enjoyment:
- WoW was supposed to become Warhammer, but didn't get the licence from Games Workshop
- When they were denied the licence, WoW was far into pre-production, so they just changed the lore and a lot of other stuff, but the art work was not changed.
- GW accused Blizzard for stealing copyrighted material, ending with a settlement where Blizzard paid an unknown amount of money
NOT based on rumours:
"EverQuest is the big foundation for WoW."
Quote from Blizzard's J Allen Brack, senior producer of WotLK
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=190535
Actually it wasn't WoW.
I know it is hard for you WoW fanboys to realize that the PC game industry didn't begin with World of Warcraft.
But Blizzard's Warcraft Orcs and Humans was supposed to be a Warhammer game. For what ever reason they either never actually asked to use GW's IP or they were denied but in either case Blizzard went ahead and made Warcraft 1 anyways. Even though it was heavily based on Warhammer. Just like Starcraft is heavily based on Warhammer 40K.
Sure Fanboys of WoW and Blizzard in general might try to deny it but honestly any unbiased individual with no previous knowledge would assume that Warhammer Table Top and Warcraft PC games were an identical Intellectual Property.
Heck even a lot of the place names are names from the Warhammer world.
Orcs before Warhammer were depicted as grey monsters. Warhammer made them green. Huh what color are they in Warcraft?
Let's see Blood Elves in WoW equal Dark Elves in Warhammer lore even the back story of how they were corrupted by the power is extremely similar to Warhammers lore on Dark Elves.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
wow don't deserve shit.. in my opion all these features players are finaly getting should of been at launched peroid... no f$king escuses. Pvp= exp well duh... w/e i can go on and on... even war did things wrong no global chat at launch till we all spammed them really re think ur game its damn obvouis u need a global chat in anny mmoo.. thats just a start
my 2 cents
http://after-death.blackendgaming.com
all games borrow ideas from other games and adapt them. this is just another wow bash post seriously no one really gives a rats ass.
you not as if wars ui customization is all their idea they copied from wow,daoc everquest, lotro etc .
you can play "any" mmo out there and they all have bits borrowed from other games.
play and enjoy your game stop being a muppet about stuff that doesnt even effect you
(i play both wow and war and i enjoy both)
Ok, I'll break this up into two sections, and I'd LOVE for someone to prove me wrong.
I'll go small scope first. World of Warcraft. That game has absolutely ZERO unique features. Not a single one. Not a single original idea. Never has been. Its always been done by another game, and better.
Now Blizzard as a whole. When they created Starcraft and Warcraft they did so under the assumption that they'd get the rights to Warhammer. They did not, so they just changed the name from Warhammer to Warcraft, and switched a few things up. They got sued to hell and back, but hey, didn't stop people from buying the cheaper and easier knock off.
Now, I'd love for someone to tell me a "unique" feature from WoW, and I'll give you a game that had it first.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Every game steals from other games. Its silly to even think of starting a thread like this.
i think all these features allready existed in games before war, enter pvp ,mingame queues form anywhere was in aoc, xp form pvp kills is in eq2 and probably some otehr games too. whole zoens for pvp and siege weapons there is lots of games with this, daoc was probably the first with pvp dedicated zones (so maybe a mythic first but not in war).
looting in pvp exists in so many flavor in the different games from actually looting the player you killes over some limited looting rules to looting new items/totems from pvp, not sure if exact this version existed before but it might have.
Every game steals from other games. Its silly to even think of starting a thread like this.
Most games BUILD off of other games. Like Dark Age of Camelot took PvE from EverQuest, but created an entire new game with the Realm vs Realm system, which so far, is the best PvP system to be released. Warhammer build off of DAoC. Blizzard... didn't build anything. Nothing new. Only thing that sets it apart is that its easier.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Did you JUST START playing MMOs? Everyone steals from everyone no matter the game genre.
yes lets patent all human ideas and while were at it lets patent all feelings as well
OK Here we go:
Did YOU know that BG and world PvP give daily experience/gold since patch 2.3 !!! (Launched Oct 2007)
So OR WAR copied that or WAR was released in Sep 2007?
Did you know that daily heroic dungeons are UNIQUE to WOW?
Did you know that WOW/TBC has a complete open seamless world you can fly all over and land anywhere you want to adventure in (from lakes, to mountains, to forest, to cities).
Could go on pages of this FIRST used "unique" programming" features.
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And talking of LORE !!!!
Did you know that I could go on for the complete "lore" thing in WOW that is FAR more complicated than that WAAAAARRGGHH principle.
In WOW NO one is good or evil. Every race is corrupted by the demons and try to fight as much the other side AS THE EVIL WITHIN.
You know the LICH KING is nobody else but a corrupted Arthas, the main Hero Paladin of Warcraft 3. Books like The Cycle of Hatred show that Lady Proudmoore betrayed her own father to save the peace with the Hordes and her friendship with Thrall - the freed enslaved Orc - is legendary.
So as an MMORPG WAR is a very very very small and narrowed down copy of WOW. And Lore wise WOW stands on its own feet and is very very very much more interesting than Waaaaaggghhh.
War is only the good vs the bad. Wow is the "struggle" within. A man's struggle to fight the demons within.
But of course if you don't read your quests, don't play mmo RPG's, only play WAR (which has ZERO RP elements) where no one ever even has to read the content, then you say such things.
So I PROVED you wrong, both in MMO techniques and in LORE.
Now what ? ....you're plain wrong.
OK Here we go:
Did YOU know that BG and world PvP give daily experience/gold since patch 2.3 !!! (Launched Oct 2007)
So OR WAR copied that or WAR was released in Sep 2007?
Did you know that daily heroic dungeons are UNIQUE to WOW?
Did you know that WOW/TBC has a complete open seamless world you can fly all over and land anywhere you want to adventure in (from lakes, to mountains, to forest, to cities).
Could go on pages of this FIRST used "unique" programming" features.
------------------------
And talking of LORE !!!!
Did you know that I could go on for the complete "lore" thing in WOW that is FAR more complicated than that WAAAAARRGGHH principle.
In WOW NO one is good or evil. Every race is corrupted by the demons and try to fight as much the other side AS THE EVIL WITHIN.
You know the LITCH KING is nobody else but a corrupted Arthas, the main Hero Paladin of Warcraft 3. Books like The Cycle of Hatred show that Lady Proudmoore betrayed her own father to save the peace with the Hordes and her friendship with Thrall - the freed enslaved Orc - is legendary.
So as an MMORPG WAR is a very very very small and narrowed down copy of WOW. And Lore wise WOW stands on its own feet and is very very very much more interesting than Waaaaaggghhh.
War is only the good vs the bad. Wow is the "struggle" within. A man's struggle to fight the demons within.
But of course if you don't read your quests, don't play mmo RPG's, only play WAR (which has ZERO RP elements) where no one ever even has to read the content, then you say such things.
So I PROVED you wrong, both in MMO techniques and in LORE.
Now what ? ....you're plain wrong.
You could be fun if you weren't so damn narrowminded.
You could be intelligent and react on content.
OK Here we go:
Did YOU know that BG and world PvP give daily experience/gold since patch 2.3 !!! (Launched Oct 2007)
Already been done in 2001 by Dark Age of Camelot.
So OR WAR copied that or WAR was released in Sep 2007?
Did you know that daily heroic dungeons are UNIQUE to WOW?
Dungeons are not unique to WoW, nor are Heroic Dungeons. They've been in just about every game since EQ1 in 2000. As for the difficulty settings in dungeons, both City of Heroes and Dungeons and Dragons Online had this feature.
Did you know that WOW/TBC has a complete open seamless world you can fly all over and land anywhere you want to adventure in (from lakes, to mountains, to forest, to cities).
Does not have a seamless world even remotely. There are zones and instances. Instances are not seamless. Instances are the opposite of seamless. There is one SEAMLESS MMO right now, and that's Vanguard. As for being able to explore a world... that's been the main feature of MMOs since their conception in 1997, not unique to WoW even a little, in fact its probably the LEAST unique features you mentioned.
WoW was the first game to go AWAY from seamless worlds by instancing everything. EQ had a few instances towards the later years, as did Dark Age of Camelot, but WoW instances just about everyone and uses quests and fake barriers to funnel you and tell you where to go. This is the exact opposite of a seamless world and it is why WoW is considered the mother of all theme park MMOS.
Could go on pages of this FIRST used "unique" programming" features.
------------------------
And talking of LORE !!!!
Did you know that I could go on for the complete "lore" thing in WOW that is FAR more complicated than that WAAAAARRGGHH principle.
Warhammer has 40 years of Lore. Lord of the Rings has the most Lore out of any game ever, because its based on the stories that INVENTED fantasy.
WoW has whatever WoW they took from Warcraft and absolutely butchered. Not to mention that Warcraft is just a cheap knock off of Warhammer. When they made Warcraft they thought they'd get the license to Warhammer, but they didn't, so they changed a few names and released it as Warcraft.
Using Lore as a "unique feature" is kind of pathetic though.
In WOW NO one is good or evil. Every race is corrupted by the demons and try to fight as much the other side AS THE EVIL WITHIN.
That's pure BS. Horde is evil, Alliance is good. Can't get more simple than that. And again, thats not even a unique feature, thats a state of mind thats not even represented by the game your talking about. If I were to take that sentence, I'd think you were talking about Middle Earth Online, which had an alignment system. No bad guys, just people making good choices, or being corrupted by the temptations of power. Sadly, this fresh new idea never made it to market, because a year before release, Middle Earth Online changed its name to LotRO, and totally changed its focus to be WoW styled.
You know the LITCH KING is nobody else but a corrupted Arthas, the main Hero Paladin of Warcraft 3. Books like The Cycle of Hatred show that Lady Proudmoore betrayed her own father to save the peace with the Hordes and her friendship with Thrall - the freed enslaved Orc - is legendary.
Where have I heard that one before...let me think...could it be... The Witch King of Arnor? Who was once a great virtuous king of men, but got corrupted by his lust for power?
So as an MMORPG WAR is a very very very small and narrowed down copy of WOW. And Lore wise WOW stands on its own feet and is very very very much interesting than Waaaaaggghhh.
<chokes> wait what? Are you serious? Do you actually believe that WoW has been around longer than Warhammer? WoW is BASED on Warhammer in the same way that Dungeons and Dragons is based on Lord of the Rings.
War is only the good vs the bad. Wow is the "struggle" within. A man's struggle to fight the demons within.
But of course if you don't read your quests, don't play mmo RPG's, only play WAR (which has ZERO RP elements) where no one ever even has to read the content, then you say such things.
If ever there was a game with shallow quests, it was WoW. It INVENTED the shallow quest, so I guess thats its one unique feature. Before WoW, quests were actually meaningful. You didn't just grab 10 of them from a town and watch the magical markers guide you to some monster you had to kill for 10 pieces of its ear.
So I PROVED you wrong, both in MMO techniques and in LORE.
Now what ? ....you're plain wrong.
<sigh> for a second here I thought you may have done it, but, time to show you that you're wrong.
Sadly, you did not prove me wrong, I await someone who can. At least know what you're talking about before you post, saves me time.
Darkfall Travelogues!
OK Here we go:
Did YOU know that BG and world PvP give daily experience/gold since patch 2.3 !!! (Launched Oct 2007)
So OR WAR copied that or WAR was released in Sep 2007?
Did you know that daily heroic dungeons are UNIQUE to WOW?
Did you know that WOW/TBC has a complete open seamless world you can fly all over and land anywhere you want to adventure in (from lakes, to mountains, to forest, to cities).
Could go on pages of this FIRST used "unique" programming" features.
------------------------
And talking of LORE !!!!
Did you know that I could go on for the complete "lore" thing in WOW that is FAR more complicated than that WAAAAARRGGHH principle.
In WOW NO one is good or evil. Every race is corrupted by the demons and try to fight as much the other side AS THE EVIL WITHIN.
You know the LICH KING is nobody else but a corrupted Arthas, the main Hero Paladin of Warcraft 3. Books like The Cycle of Hatred show that Lady Proudmoore betrayed her own father to save the peace with the Hordes and her friendship with Thrall - the freed enslaved Orc - is legendary.
So as an MMORPG WAR is a very very very small and narrowed down copy of WOW. And Lore wise WOW stands on its own feet and is very very very much more interesting than Waaaaaggghhh.
War is only the good vs the bad. Wow is the "struggle" within. A man's struggle to fight the demons within.
But of course if you don't read your quests, don't play mmo RPG's, only play WAR (which has ZERO RP elements) where no one ever even has to read the content, then you say such things.
So I PROVED you wrong, both in MMO techniques and in LORE.
Now what ? ....you're plain wrong.
Please don't talk about a Lore you have no idea about whatsoever. It's nice and well to see you know your Warcraft Lore, but you obviously have no concept of the Warhammer Universe, of the background, the history, the world and the setting whatsoever.
So please, keep your arguments to things you have an inkling about, right?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
PS, I still would really like a response of proving me wrong. Or at least admitting you weren't quite sure what you were talking about.
Darkfall Travelogues!
You could be intelligent and react on content.
Right back at ya! If you did what you just said, you could see how pointless your comment was.
You didn't answer my remarks....
....Or you tried to avoid them.
For example DAILY HEROIC dungeons ... and you just answer by answering every game has dungeons.
But not daily and not with an extra heroic status.
You dribble around the subject like holding a hot potatoe.
Blinded by hate and defending a very mediocre MMO (because you can certainly leave out the RPG - emotes - anyone?).
You could be intelligent and react on content.
Right back at ya! If you did what you just said, you could see how pointless your comment was.
No you start insulting while giving no elements on a very good post tx