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How Ironic... more RvR in WoW right now than WAR!!!
BiggusRiggus
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This is sadly ironic and should be evidence to Mythic that RvR rewards will drive RvR! Blizz recently released Patch 3.02 and in said patch there is an achievments tab (their version of the ToK). If you kill the leaders of the major cities you get a special bear mount. There have been constant raids all weekend on all of the major cities... all for a stupid mount! There is more RvR right now in WoW than in WAR! It makes me sad, because as many have written, this game was marketed ias an RvR game. How is it that this lame PvE (wanna be PvP) game I played for the last 2.5 years can pull this off, but the RvR game we all waited for cannot? Hmm Mr. Jacobs??? Hmm???
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this post is sadly ironic.
Where's the achievement for *defending* your capitol city?
All Blizzard has done is encourage what amounts to kill-trading for raid bosses that are open to griefing by the opposing side. There is no benefit in preventing the opposing team from completing the kill, and there is no penalty for allowing them to. "Kill X for a special mount" is about all Blizzard can come up with for "content" these days.
i remember when mounts were cool to get in WoW. Now everything has a dozen and it's annoying.
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I don't disagree with you at all. All I am saying is that it has given an opportunity for people who choose to RvR... all we get in WAR is instances... well all you get cuz my sub ended yesterday.
This is just sad. Go away please, pretty much nobody on this forum cares.
All you get in WAR is instances because you're ignoring 90% of the game. Step outside of the quest hubs and actually do stuff.
Oddly the joke is on WoWers... because the last time I raided SW was about 6 months ago. It was a 200 person raid. We got to the King in 5 minutes, then the server crashed. Blizz servers can't handle that kind of stress. No one will ever get that mount LOL! After that raid I pretty much quit. It gave me a taste of what was to come in WAR! RvR all the way to 40... so I thought... RvR lakes are deserts... no RvR...
To the person who mentioned defending.. again.. the irony is that if you read the WOW forums you'll see people talking about getting wiped on the city leaders because players ARE defending their city leaders
Now. ready the reports from the 'city seige' in warhammer where order sat around queueing for scenarios while their city was conquered.
No... then you have ignored 50% of the posts in the last 5 days about the lack of RvR!
LOL, I forgot about that... outstanding point!
Well, that's true, but to be fair there's a lot of reasons for that, not the least of which is the game being so new and everyone is still pretty low level. It's also extremely difficult to put up any kind of resistance against a team unless you have a team yourself, and your typical PuG group just won't cut it. People find it much easier to solo-queue for scenarios than to arrange a group to fight back. I'm sure the guild that performed the siege had also encouraged their members to level quickly, specifically for an event like that, while the Order had no such encouragement and so were left woefully unprepared.
I don't know whether that's good or bad but either way you can't be blaming the game just because the players are too lazy/stupid to do what they're supposed to be doing.
cool -- my wow sub ended about 6 months ago. Since then bought a nice gaming pc and wow will NEVER be installed on it. Glad you are having fun with it tho. You go back to wow, I will stay with WAR.
RVR in wow? that got to be a really big joke..
where exactly is the rvr action? unless i can capture crossroads and make it a alliance base, or take over orgrimmar and make it a alliance city.. it just cant be called RVR..
rvr & pvp is not the same, because rvr dosnt need to have pvp to be rvr.
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cool -- my wow sub ended about 6 months ago. Since then bought a nice gaming pc and wow will NEVER be installed on it. Glad you are having fun with it tho. You go back to wow, I will stay with WAR.
I never said I was going back to WoW. I am not playing anything for now... maybe I'm done with MMOs
Eh, in a couple of days when all 10 million players have a bear mount no one will really care. The flaw of item driven RvR is that eventually most people will have it, and those who don't will not be able to enlist the help of those who do to further their own achievements.
Congrats, item-driven PvP.
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Good point...
That very example has played out in previous open world pvp objectives in WoW. Once people got the rewards from it they moved on leaving the pvp area dead.
No rvr in WAR? I've been doing tier 3 keep seiges/defense all day today. There has been giant battles going on pretty much all day. This happens on my server every weekend, and most week nights as well. /shrug I only do scenarios during off peak hours when open rvr dies down.
In my personal experience open rvr really ramped up in tier 3. The rvr lakes in tier 2 were pretty empty, and except nordlad in in tier 1 they were pretty empty too. About two weeks ago the WAR in tier 3 on my server really got going. That's when my bloodlust began, and now I can't wait to get to tier 4.
This game is getting better as the rvr intensifies.
Got to agree the higher teir open RvR lakes can host some pretty epic battles, and to add to that they have incentive to take and defend those objectives especially if you're nonguilded. Keeps are much more convienent to access if you need RR training or want to upgrade RvR gear.
RvR? I'm afraid you are grossly ignorant as to what RvR is and what a true siege involves. Unless blizzard drastically changed the the layout of the core cities in WoW with this patch they have very poor defenses in the classic sense amounting to little more then walled towns.
Where are the moats to span? the gates to beat down? the secondary and tertiary walls to over come? The palisades, the gate houses, the keep? Most of these fortifcations show up in WAR in the early PVE areas and later (starting in tier 3) in pvp. A siege is more then zerging through open doors, mobbing the unsuspecting auction houser users, bank alts, and people checking their mail, running a more or less straight line to the throne room, zerging through the yet again open doors to tank and spanking a raid boss.
In WAR in order to even attempt a siege on a city your faction must first take over and hold no less then 10 end tier (tier 4) zones, taking over the atleast 2 of the controling keeps in the opposing side's last tier 4 zones (one in each racial pairing). Then you get attempt to crash upon the walls of the city. That conflict over and the act of taking and holding the Tier 4 zones in progressive order IS RvR anything else is just enmass pvp team deathmatch.
In short, city raids in WoW are not RvR (a copyrighted term Owned by Mythic) but in reality just another placebo hastily slapped together and forced down the throat of it's MMO-lite users to keep them from looking at other games.
Agreed. Not sure WHAT (if any?!?!) server the OP plays on. I am on Ostermark in T4 and it has been raids like crazy. In fact.....just finished a big sweep of Praag! (waiting on last BO counter right now! haha). So yeh.....with WAR, yes, you DO get TRUE RvR.
For me, I don't have any beef with WOW. Seems like a fine game, but just not for me. However, I think the OP's "idea" of RvR is WAAAAYYYY off if he thinks what WOW has is the same as WAR. They are entirely different games from that perspective. WAR's model for RvR is nothing like WOW's PvP no matter how many folks try to paint them in the same picture.
MMO's will always be about the dungeons and loot to me, has been since ultima online. PVP in MMO's is in my opinion, for people who can't play a true pvp game, an FPS. i've said it before and i'll say it again, there will never be a good pvp MMO unless every class is the same, because as long as your items, your race, your class, and your level makes a difference, it will always be bullshit of who is what class and who is what level, and who has the most badass gear, skill will never be involved.
you can't balance multiple classes evenly. it will never happen. there will be flavor of the month each neft bat comes out, the hoard of players will switch to the one class who has the i-win buttons.
so, i play fps games when i want to pvp and test my skill, i play mmo's to kill some frikken dragons.
If you read the state of the game address posted days ago you would've read how mythic plans to implement more rvr incentives / rewards.
No... then you have ignored 50% of the posts in the last 5 days about the lack of RvR!
You ignore the fact that most people that play mmorpgs never visit or post on forums. A small percentage do, therefore forum posters are in the minority. So the situation isn't as bad as you're so gullible to believe.
No... then you have ignored 50% of the posts in the last 5 days about the lack of RvR!
You ignore the fact that most people that play mmorpgs never visit or post on forums. A small percentage do, therefore forum posters are in the minority. So the situation isn't as bad as you're so gullible to believe.
I havent seen any lack of RvR on my server, in fact Ive done RvR the past 2 days. If there isnt anything going on I just start a party and people will come or go to an area thats been attack it will pick up quick.