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I quit

Yes, I know. Another 'I quit' thread...gaahhh. Feel free to skip this one.

After having played through the first free month I see no reason to sub to this game. It's still feels unfinished, got huge balance issues, rvr is a joke, xp is concentrated in the scenarios and the pve is boring.

Unfinished - Animation issues with the npc and mobs. Sometimes the mobs will freeze their animation and float all over the place. Graphics engine make NVidia based pc-builds stutter like hell. You would think they bloody bugtest the thing against one of the main developers of graphics hardware, and system boards. There are player hotfixes for that thing, but I don't want to do that each bloody patch Mythic release.

Balance issues - This one is a nobrainer. Playerbase is spread to thin. Way to many servers to start with. Their dream of even getting a 10th of WoW's playerbase is proven wrong. WoW just gets stronger all the time. That's what I see on my servers atleast. The other balance issue this game got is order vs destruction. Half the order toons looks like feminine boys. I found it just as well to roll female toons so I didn't had to look at some <Mod edit>all the freaking time <Mod edit>. Their look just suck, causing alot of players to choose destruction based on looks alone. Then there are those that can look past that and roll order nonetheless. Then some 60-80% of them roll bright wizards cause of the sick amount of damage they can do. It's like all those that roll a rogue in WoW cause of the stunlock. I would like to see the looks on their faces when Mythic bring the nerf-bat to the bright wizards though Order lacks tanks like hell, while destruction got too many of them. The balance all over the place is just out of whack.

RvR - RvR is non-existent cause of the huge amounts of xp you get from scenarios. You do get the occasional rvr-raid but most of the time the rvr-lakes stand empty. And what's with the ridiculously huge amount of rvr-lakes anyway?

Xp - Most people I think would like to balance scenarios, rvr and pve while leveling their toons. The way scenarios give the shortest ride to endgame, public quests and general pve is empty. Most just idle in warcamps while waiting for the queue in scenarios. This game needs to reward people equally on all fronts. I would like to see scenarios be an alternative to pve and rvr, not the main activity in this game. They don't prepare you for rvr either as none of them mirror the experience you get from taking keeps and holding them.

Pve - For some good pve, look at how WoW did it. WoW is a mixed bag, but it's pve is excellent. Even Anarchy Online, a bleeding old mmo got better and more fun pve than WAR have at the moment. The devs at Mythic forgot to ask themselfes one critical question while they designed the pve, 'Is this fun?'. I realize that fun is something we all got different opinions about, but when almost everyone find WAR's pve boring something is wrong. Read so many threads about the pve, experienced it myself and talked to players ingame. Some like it, but most hate it.

Well, those are my main concerns with the game. I tried to like it, but it didn't stick. Mythic made a damn pvp minigame out of the whole thing. Game feels too unfinished aswell. I know it only got a month or so on itself and that the 1.1 patch is just around the corner, but it's too little, too late for me. I'll check this one out again later when it had some time to mature. At the moment game is just too boring and repetitive for me. I found myself at the end thinking up reasons why I should bother logging in and play the game. It was fun at the start(all games are), but when I reached mid-t3 the game just lost it all for me. Even D&DO and LotRO lasted longer for me and I hate how they introduced mana in D&DO and how empty LotRO felt most of the time. I guess both of those games got maturity now though. Hmm, maybe I'll go back and check them out again. Been away from both of them a long time now.

Edit: Nope, won't go back to WoW. So bloody damn tired of that game now. Burnt out is the word I'm looking for. While I think WoW is a great little mmo, it's not the top of my list. Never where as it's the old mmo called Anarchy Online that holds that position on my top10 list of great mmo's I've played WoW is a good second though. WoW's just a good game to compare with as it's the top dog at the moment. Reason why I used it as comparison. About the bright wizards, maybe I exaggerated a little bit about them, but a damn lot of the players do roll them. Most my deaths in pvp on the black orc is due to a bw dot or nuke.

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  • ParkCarsHereParkCarsHere Member Posts: 666

    How far into T3 did you get? I'm wondering because I had a lot of the same complaints as you did. In fact, I cancelled my subscription one week before my free month was out. However, on the last day of my active sub, on a whim I decided to give it another month.

    So far I've had a ton of fun, getting into late-T3 and having tons of experience doing RvR. I can also say that the patch that doubled RvR experience gains helped immensely. Scenarios now will almost always give me less experience than a good RvR fight taking the same amount of time to complete.

    I'd also like to note that scenarios are definitely not the fastest way to travel through the levels in this game, at least in my experience. PQs are dead in the lower Tiers, but when you catch up to everyone else they are alive and well. You get a ton of quests to complete for easy experience. As another note, scenarios give you LESS experience if you are lower in the tier (I believe if you get the bolster buff you get significantly less experience), so that should actually keep you away from doing scenarios lower in the tier.

    A typical beginning to a new tier for me: Quest and do PQs, maxing out influence for every chapter. This gives a ton of good gear, by the way. Then, as I get towards the end of the tier, I begin doing a lot of scenarios for experience and renown. On my last few levels of the Tier I do hardcore RvR, keep battles, etc. It's usually pretty easy to get everyone together for a keep battle, although there are dry periods of time when that is impossible.

    Anyways, this post isn't to make you resub immediately.. more to show you that there is light at the end of the tunnel and that the game will continue to improve. I'm sure that when you get bored of LotRO and WoW again you'll head here for another try. From reading your post, it seems like you like WoW a lot anyways, and probably should've just stayed playing an MMO you already like.

    (By the way, 60-80% roll Bright Wizards? lol... not true :P)

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    pretty mush the same reason why i quit.

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  • MeridionMeridion Member UncommonPosts: 1,495

    Can I have your stuff?

  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558

    Personally i find the game fun. Now that said i have to say the kep takes usually suck. An organized group can take them sure but theres always those loose cannons messing it up. I personally hate the way they re set up. Keep lords with mass AOEs, so you drag the lord out on the balcony. A Order tank then runs out and knocksback half the tanks off the damn keep. They need to make the keep takes like DAOC were a challemge but not a chaotic mess. They re just too frusterating for alot of people, hence why alot don t do them even if they want to.

  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593

    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.

    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.

    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.

    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.

     

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

  • MoretrinketsMoretrinkets Member Posts: 730

    another "good" vs "evil" MMO with horrible design like this one and I close shut my gaming hobby.

  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

     

    Helluva lot of people that actually post in this viper pit of a forum you mean? It is just that I really don't see what those complains are about since I don't experience those problems.The game has some tbh, but I find that they are almost never actually mentioned here. It's all about the same old set of "problems" that I actually do not experience, and especially not to any degree that the "cool crowd" around here insists is "game breaking".

    I don't know why. Maybe I'm some kind of a freak that somehow got a special super-secret edition of WAR that is actually enjoyable to play and very easy to group... and so are all my guild members. Dunno. There's something funny here.

    I play on a low pop server and I find it very easy to group. I never have any problems with finding people to PQ. I do open RvR daily and I'm enjoying myself immensely. I don't know what is the problem with me. I really would like to be like the majority of posters on this site, pissing on this game mostly because they haven't put any effort in actually understanding how it plays.

    Maybe I should just join the crowd yelling "there is no open RvR" and then queue for a scenario instead of actually forming a RvR warband. Or maybe go to the first PQ, kill a mob and then proclaim the game dead because there isn't a full group waiting there for my pleasure. Hmm.. or the "PvE is shallow!" - off to that scenario again, maybe just maybe a starter quest from a hub occasionally. "Open RvR is imbalanced!" and then keep hitting that same old keep that is defended by half of the opposing faction instead of thinking strategically and attacking in some other pairing... I could go on and on in this manner you know... But frankly I'm tired. I'm off to play the game as it's meant to be played.

     

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408
    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

     

    It is just that I really don't see what those complains are about since I don't experience those problems.

    I don't know why. Maybe I'm some kind of a freak that somehow got a special super-secret edition of WAR that is actually enjoyable to play and very easy to group... and so are all my guild members. Dunno. There's something funny here.

    I play on a low pop server and I find it very easy to group. I never have any problems with finding people to PQ. I do open RvR daily and I'm enjoying myself immensely. I don't know what is the problem with me. I really would like to be like the majority of posters on this site, pissing on this game mostly because they haven't put any effort in actually understanding how it plays.

    Maybe I should just join the crowd yelling "there is no open RvR" and then queue for a scenario instead of actually forming a RvR warband. Or maybe go to the first PQ, kill a mob and then proclaim the game dead because there isn't a full group waiting there for my pleasure. Hmm.. or the "PvE is shallow!" - off to that scenario again, maybe just maybe a starter quest from a hub occasionally. "Open RvR is imbalanced!" and then keep hitting that same old keep that is defended by half of the opposing faction instead of thinking strategically and attacking in some other pairing... I could go on and on in this manner you know... But frankly I'm tired. I'm off to play the game as it's meant to be played.

     

     

    Or you could just be one of those people that are just happy with the game and don't post on the forum about it

     

     

     

     

     

     

     (just kidding btw )

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

     

    Helluva lot of people that actually post in this viper pit of a forum you mean? It is just that I really don't see what those complains are about since I don't experience those problems.

    I don't know why. Maybe I'm some kind of a freak that somehow got a special super-secret edition of WAR that is actually enjoyable to play and very easy to group... and so are all my guild members. Dunno. There's something funny here.

    I play on a low pop server and I find it very easy to group. I never have any problems with finding people to PQ. I do open RvR daily and I'm enjoying myself immensely. I don't know what is the problem with me. I really would like to be like the majority of posters on this site, pissing on this game mostly because they haven't put any effort in actually understanding how it plays.

    Maybe I should just join the crowd yelling "there is no open RvR" and then queue for a scenario instead of actually forming a RvR warband. Or maybe go to the first PQ, kill a mob and then proclaim the game dead because there isn't a full group waiting there for my pleasure. Hmm.. or the "PvE is shallow!" - off to that scenario again, maybe just maybe a starter quest from a hub occasionally. "Open RvR is imbalanced!" and then keep hitting that same old keep that is defended by half of the opposing faction instead of thinking strategically and attacking in some other pairing... I could go on and on in this manner you know... But frankly I'm tired. I'm off to play the game as it's meant to be played.

     



     

    I'm not saying that there are not alot of enjoyable things about War, I'm really glad you like like it !

    All I'm saying is that the OP is not a Hater or a Troll etc , he is just someone who has issues with WAR .. thats all I'm saying.

    If he was the type of poster thats spews out stuff like " Omg lolz Borehammer suxxoors u n00bs" well fair enough ,but he's just an average poster with real concerns about a game that he obviously wanted to like but could'nt.

  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by Pheace

    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

     

    It is just that I really don't see what those complains are about since I don't experience those problems.

    I don't know why. Maybe I'm some kind of a freak that somehow got a special super-secret edition of WAR that is actually enjoyable to play and very easy to group... and so are all my guild members. Dunno. There's something funny here.

    I play on a low pop server and I find it very easy to group. I never have any problems with finding people to PQ. I do open RvR daily and I'm enjoying myself immensely. I don't know what is the problem with me. I really would like to be like the majority of posters on this site, pissing on this game mostly because they haven't put any effort in actually understanding how it plays.

    Maybe I should just join the crowd yelling "there is no open RvR" and then queue for a scenario instead of actually forming a RvR warband. Or maybe go to the first PQ, kill a mob and then proclaim the game dead because there isn't a full group waiting there for my pleasure. Hmm.. or the "PvE is shallow!" - off to that scenario again, maybe just maybe a starter quest from a hub occasionally. "Open RvR is imbalanced!" and then keep hitting that same old keep that is defended by half of the opposing faction instead of thinking strategically and attacking in some other pairing... I could go on and on in this manner you know... But frankly I'm tired. I'm off to play the game as it's meant to be played.

     

     

    Or you could just be one of those people that are just happy with the game and don't post on the forum about it

     

     

     

     

     

     

     (just kidding btw )

     

    It's just my temperament - the injustice and... lack of perception to be diplomatic is making my blood boil. I'll counter you and give you the real flaws in this game:

    - too much running in T2, not enough flight points by far and you get your mount too late, at the end of T2.

    - warping in scenarios - i'm a tank and its pretty annoying because i need to be close to my opponents, netcode needs to be fixed there or just get more scenario servers online

    - funny stutter whenever there is stuff happening on multiple height levels - like keep floors etc. that's some weird coding here.

    - leveling is still too slow starting at T3, they are addressing this but it is a bit grindy

    - some char customization issues like trophy cloaks that still cannot be applied to stat bearing ones. weirdness with trophy slots in general (or is it intentional, not sure). Some coloration issues like red coming off as pink etc.

    - itemization problems as well. RvR equipment is too weak. Weird stats on armor sets. Non-existat drops off non-PQ bosses. Stuff like that. Annoying definitely but fixable.

    - RvR lakes, keeps and objectives seriously lack content that would guarantee players some kind of satisfaction (fun & rewards) independent of other players being there. patch 1.1 will supposedly address this.

    - it seems that T4 zone control mechanics are a bit screwy. A lot of ideas are tossed around on forums regarding this and i suppose a future patch will have to do something about it.

    - animation glitches and general instability. Nothing serious though. In fact the game is in a state of technical polish most mmorpgs get to achieving only after 6+ months post release.

    If I think of anything else I'll let you know.

    See? These are the REAL problems this game has and in spite of them I have loads of fun and consider it the best mmo out there now.  Most of the "problems" whiners list on this site I find completely ridiculous - showing an ignorance of the basic mechanics and a lack of any willingness to adjust to the game. As one poster said before me "Most complainers here are trying to play WoW in WAR and are naturally being disappointed." I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose - they are looking for something else but are nevertheless automatically and unconsciously following the same patterns they learned in games they played before instead of actually playing the game as it is.

  • SweetSenseSweetSense Member Posts: 33

              Hmm  i see that more people dont like this game. And i wanted to buy it.

               im waiting to see if will be some kinde of change ...maybe who know's...with the new patch will gonna come new stuff....good stuff...and improve the existing one's

                For now im waiting

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  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by SweetSense


              Hmm  i see that more people dont like this game. And i wanted to buy it.
               im waiting to see if will be some kinde of change ...maybe who know's...with the new patch will gonna come new stuff....good stuff...and improve the existing one's
                For now im waiting

    Ignore this site.

    go to www.metacritic.com

    http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/warhammeronline?q=warhammer%20online

    That's your best bet. Read the reviews and user reviews. The people posting here on mmorpg.com are a loud minority with issues they need to vent out somewhere (me included). Go to metacritic, really - that's the most reliable "critic" site on the web and then make up your mind.

     

     

  • mackdawg19mackdawg19 Member UncommonPosts: 842

    I would love to know what goes through people's minds when they make threads like this? Feeling of accomplishment? In-security issues? Maybe your just bored and really just don't have that great of a life to begin with? No freinds to tell it to to stop you from spouting it here? So what is it this week?

  • YunbeiYunbei Member Posts: 898
    Originally posted by ParkCarsHere


    How far into T3 did you get? I'm wondering because I had a lot of the same complaints as you did. In fact, I cancelled my subscription one week before my free month was out. However, on the last day of my active sub, on a whim I decided to give it another month.
    So far I've had a ton of fun, getting into late-T3 and having tons of experience doing RvR. I can also say that the patch that doubled RvR experience gains helped immensely. Scenarios now will almost always give me less experience than a good RvR fight taking the same amount of time to complete.
    I'd also like to note that scenarios are definitely not the fastest way to travel through the levels in this game, at least in my experience. PQs are dead in the lower Tiers, but when you catch up to everyone else they are alive and well. You get a ton of quests to complete for easy experience. As another note, scenarios give you LESS experience if you are lower in the tier (I believe if you get the bolster buff you get significantly less experience), so that should actually keep you away from doing scenarios lower in the tier.
    A typical beginning to a new tier for me: Quest and do PQs, maxing out influence for every chapter. This gives a ton of good gear, by the way. Then, as I get towards the end of the tier, I begin doing a lot of scenarios for experience and renown. On my last few levels of the Tier I do hardcore RvR, keep battles, etc. It's usually pretty easy to get everyone together for a keep battle, although there are dry periods of time when that is impossible.
    Anyways, this post isn't to make you resub immediately.. more to show you that there is light at the end of the tunnel and that the game will continue to improve. I'm sure that when you get bored of LotRO and WoW again you'll head here for another try. From reading your post, it seems like you like WoW a lot anyways, and probably should've just stayed playing an MMO you already like.
    (By the way, 60-80% roll Bright Wizards? lol... not true :P)



     

    I understand and share what you say, and mostly agree, only on two things:

    a) BW are NOT overpowered, ppl just feel like it, but when Destro knows what they do BW see no sun. Peiod. Most Destro just ignore BW too long and aim for the tanks or melee DPS instead. If Mythic nerfs BW they might as well shoot themselves in the knee given the fact Order is mostly underplayed.

    b) As gay gamer I great disagree the chars look gay. (I am not sure most straight REALLY have an idea what kind of men gays like, btw) I find they look way too straight, thats why *I* dont like them. Those humans look like Bruce Willis after 3 episodes Die Hard with the beat up, big nosed, scarred faces. Elfes... they dont look gay or feminine, they look like undead, like vampires. *shudder* Seriously, I really thought an AAA title would have a more detailled character customization with more diversity and "soul" in those faces. They are just "dead" and palin ugly as hell. Would be curious what your taste in MMO characters is? Personally I liked SWG the most; Vanguard was ok before they changed it, also Perfect World has a decend one. I am just sick and tired of those "chose from 5 faces and 5 haircuts but they all look the same"-shit. SICK and TIRED.

    Never rly played WOW, never will, besides. We read a lot of similar posts these days, I wonder when Mythic panicks, heh. Guess we'll see Paul Barnett head on the spike, just like the VG guy (forgot his name) and Gaute Godager from AoC. Or whoever is responsible at Mythic. Weird, it didnt look that bad right away.

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  • LetsinodLetsinod Member UncommonPosts: 385

    Actually WAR has way more than 10% of the supposed WOW population.  Since WAR is not available to Asians then just comparing apples to apples I would say WAR is doing very well for the first month.  I personally know about 20 RL gamers that all quit WOW sometime in the last few years.  Is WAR the answer? Hell no, but it is fun as hell.  Deep and interesting?  Not at all.

  • susanto1228susanto1228 Member Posts: 203
    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

     

    Helluva lot of people that actually post in this viper pit of a forum you mean? It is just that I really don't see what those complains are about since I don't experience those problems.The game has some tbh, but I find that they are almost never actually mentioned here. It's all about the same old set of "problems" that I actually do not experience, and especially not to any degree that the "cool crowd" around here insists is "game breaking".

    I don't know why. Maybe I'm some kind of a freak that somehow got a special super-secret edition of WAR that is actually enjoyable to play and very easy to group... and so are all my guild members. Dunno. There's something funny here.

    I play on a low pop server and I find it very easy to group. I never have any problems with finding people to PQ. I do open RvR daily and I'm enjoying myself immensely. I don't know what is the problem with me. I really would like to be like the majority of posters on this site, pissing on this game mostly because they haven't put any effort in actually understanding how it plays.

    Maybe I should just join the crowd yelling "there is no open RvR" and then queue for a scenario instead of actually forming a RvR warband. Or maybe go to the first PQ, kill a mob and then proclaim the game dead because there isn't a full group waiting there for my pleasure. Hmm.. or the "PvE is shallow!" - off to that scenario again, maybe just maybe a starter quest from a hub occasionally. "Open RvR is imbalanced!" and then keep hitting that same old keep that is defended by half of the opposing faction instead of thinking strategically and attacking in some other pairing... I could go on and on in this manner you know... But frankly I'm tired. I'm off to play the game as it's meant to be played.

     

     

    First of all your not a FREAK your just a Warhammer Fanboi who decided that this is the best game ever, which evidently it's not due to it's declining numbers.  And yes I know you Play Destro thats why I know you are happy probably a mindless zerg herder slashing everything in it's sight with one button.  See how you like PVP when you guys are playing with yourselves, which  your probably doing already.

  • nikoliathnikoliath Member UncommonPosts: 1,154
    Originally posted by slask777


    Yes, I know. Another 'I quit' thread...gaahhh. Feel free to skip this one.
    After having played through the first free month I see no reason to sub to this game. It's still feels unfinished, got huge balance issues, rvr is a joke, xp is concentrated in the scenarios and the pve is boring.
    Unfinished - Animation issues with the npc and mobs. Sometimes the mobs will freeze their animation and float all over the place. Graphics engine make NVidia based pc-builds stutter like hell. You would think they bloody bugtest the thing against one of the main developers of graphics hardware, and system boards. There are player hotfixes for that thing, but I don't want to do that each bloody patch Mythic release.
    OK, lets be fair and realistic here. Many an online game, or offline for that matter, launch with their fair share of niggles. I'm not sure if the Nvidia problem is an Nvidia only problem. Please feel free to point me to a Mythic post on this becuase I an not certain.
    Balance issues - This one is a nobrainer. Playerbase is spread to thin. Way to many servers to start with. Their dream of even getting a 10th of WoW's playerbase is proven wrong. WoW just gets stronger all the time. That's what I see on my servers atleast.
    I'm not sure what WoW's growth pattern really has to do with this topic, perhaps just a shameless swipe at Mythic here.
    The other balance issue this game got is order vs destruction. Half the order toons looks like feminine boys. I found it just as well to roll female toons so I didn't had to look at some gayboy all the freaking time (nothing against gays though, just don't like how bloody feminine they get sometimes). Their look just suck, causing alot of players to choose destruction based on looks alone. Then there are those that can look past that and roll order nonetheless.
    True, I feel the overall look of Order has caused some balance issues.
    Then some 60-80% of them roll bright wizards cause of the sick amount of damage they can do. It's like all those that roll a rogue in WoW cause of the stunlock. I would like to see the looks on their faces when Mythic bring the nerf-bat to the bright wizards though  Order lacks tanks like hell, while destruction got too many of them. The balance all over the place is just out of whack.
    Perhaps this is caused by issue above. Lack of tanks means what little mdps order do have get slaughtered in seconds. People get fed up and roll ranged DPS, I know I did.
    RvR - RvR is non-existent cause of the huge amounts of xp you get from scenarios. You do get the occasional rvr-raid but most of the time the rvr-lakes stand empty. And what's with the ridiculously huge amount of rvr-lakes anyway?
    More server population issues. When RvR does start in an area it can quickly fill up with warbands and is fun. The problem is people are lazy, and the 3 race pairings probably inhibit proper RvR at lower levels.
    Xp - Most people I think would like to balance scenarios, rvr and pve while leveling their toons. The way scenarios give the shortest ride to endgame, public quests and general pve is empty. Most just idle in warcamps while waiting for the queue in scenarios. This game needs to reward people equally on all fronts. I would like to see scenarios be an alternative to pve and rvr, not the main activity in this game. They don't prepare you for rvr either as none of them mirror the experience you get from taking keeps and holding them.
    Lazy people. PvE means exploring and traveling. Scenario means hiting the join all button and away you go. Each section is well rewarded but people tend to like the most reward for the least effort. Alot of scenario players dont even try to play the game, they just zerg farm. Maybe reworking the way experience is awarded would help.
    Pve - For some good pve, look at how WoW did it. WoW is a mixed bag, but it's pve is excellent. Even Anarchy Online, a bleeding old mmo got better and more fun pve than WAR have at the moment. The devs at Mythic forgot to ask themselfes one critical question while they designed the pve, 'Is this fun?'. I realize that fun is something we all got different opinions about, but when almost everyone find WAR's pve boring something is wrong. Read so many threads about the pve, experienced it myself and talked to players ingame. Some like it, but most hate it.
     PvE can offer more exp than scenarios, especially Phoenix gate or Tor Anroc, or any losing scenario. If you get rolled you can wind up with 15min of game time and only a few hundred xp. Some quests award 3-4k xp for seconds of effort. I think alot of people do mix there xp intake. 
    For me the PvE is no less fun than most other games PvE. One bonus feature is the lack of rediculous drop item quest rates. you need 10, 10 mobs drop the item 100%.
    Well, those are my main concerns with the game. I tried to like it, but it didn't stick. Mythic made a damn pvp minigame out of the whole thing. Game feels too unfinished aswell. I know it only got a month or so on itself and that the 1.1 patch is just around the corner, but it's too little, too late for me. I'll check this one out again later when it had some time to mature. At the moment game is just too boring and repetitive for me. I found myself at the end thinking up reasons why I should bother logging in and play the game. It was fun at the start(all games are), but when I reached mid-t3 the game just lost it all for me. Even D&DO and LotRO lasted longer for me and I hate how they introduced mana in D&DO and how empty LotRO felt most of the time. I guess both of those games got maturity now though. Hmm, maybe I'll go back and check them out again. Been away from both of them a long time now.
     Yup, noone can make you like anything. maybe you got sucked into the scenario grind, because it's easy and quick, and as a result devalued the rest of your experiences, only you know. But as you say, it needs time.
    Edit: Nope, won't go back to WoW. So bloody damn tired of that game now. Burnt out is the word I'm looking for. While I think WoW is a great little mmo, it's not the top of my list. Never where as it's the old mmo called Anarchy Online that holds that position on my top10 list of great mmo's I've played WoW is a good second though. WoW's just a good game to compare with as it's the top dog at the moment. Reason why I used it as comparison. About the bright wizards, maybe I exaggerated a little bit about them, but a damn lot of the players do roll them. Most my deaths in pvp on the black orc is due to a bw dot or nuke.
    Perhaps you suffer from mmoRPG burnout, period. I hope you find something to enjoy. I also hope Mythic keep fixing and improving and that one day you will enjoy it.

     

  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951

    op:

    bye :(

    Hope you find something that you like mate

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  • LondonMagusLondonMagus Member Posts: 700

    OK, so the OP didn't like the game. Fair enough, I respect his opinion & everyone has their own tastes.

    So far this has been the best game I have played in a very long time,  so as I could see myself continuing to enjoy it for quite some time to come, I even signed up for the 'six month discount' subscription offer.

    I hope the OP finds something he likes soon, but for me I am having a blast with WAR. 

    If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?

  • chryseschryses Member UncommonPosts: 1,453

    Agree with the OP and I didn't resub at the end of the month either.  The biggest issue for me is the game didn't pull me back or make me want to log in every minute like all new MMO's should.  In fact I didn't log in after 3 weeks but I did log in on the last day to hand out my stuff. 

    Even though I couldn't enjoy the game I do know one very good friend who is absolutely loving it.  However I think its due to him being in a guild with lots of mates in the same region and they are really into the RP side of the game.  So in a way its really there gang that is making it enjoyable.  For casual gamers or players who like a bit of solo work I would give WAR 0 out of 10.  However if you are into big guilds and quite active then it may be a game worth checking out.  At the end I found the combat engine to be borderline moronic and after going through one keep take over I would rather eat my own hand than go through that again.  Each to their own though.

    (As an after thought I would have subbed another 1-2 months if I was in the US / Aus region then hanging on TS would have been worth it)

     

  • slask777slask777 Member Posts: 706

    I was in a guild on both my order and my destruction toons. Game just didn't do it for me. I hate to use this phrase, but it got potential, it's just not there yet. My orc was 32 when I left the game so I had a good try playing it. Anyway, when I said they looked gay I was refeering to the elves mostly. I don't have a clue what kinds of men gays find attractive, but I've seen my share of gays and the way some of them look. Elves just look too damn gay to me. No offense to gay men mind you.

    On the other points, WAR is played by alot of people and the naysayers around here is, as usual with trolls and their ilk, a poor measure of a games real success and playerbase and should be ignored at all times. Don't even bother to reply to them, unless you want to have some fun at their expense.

    One poster wrote that pve and rvr give out rewards a plenty but I don't see people there, I see them in the scenarios. Hence my other concern that the game is a pvp minigame.

    At the end, my opinion and taste is only my own. Allthough I'm sure alot of people share them (we aint that different after all), not everyone do and that's the way it should be. I posted this just cause I wanted to share my experience with the game with people and I said at the beginning that everyone should feel free to ignore this and move on  On that note, never take what we, the whiny bunch that we are, say about this and any other game for granted. This forum, as most forums are used for arguing and bickering and are a poor judge on how a game really is. One poster said metacritic is a better judge, and it is, allthough it's based on other people opinion as well. Warhammer is well worth it when they iron out the various bugs and balance it some more. Just wasn't my cup of tea at the moment. I will recheck this some 6 months or so down the line again, maybe earlier. Gonna watch those patches.

     

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  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by susanto1228

    Originally posted by markoraos

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by markoraos


    Don't let the door kick you on the way out.
    Sorry but I don't have any of the problems you mentioned. I always get enough people for PQs, don't feel compelled to grind scenarios (why would anyone is a complete mystery to me) and I have no idea what you mean by "balance problems". Oh and yes, I play on an underpopulated server.
    We might be playing a different game then, or at least we were playing it as a different game more probably.
    Get a guild and try to understand what this game is about. You have to go with the flow of the game and your realm instead of trying to fight it. No, you won't get your open RvR right now and no, that PQ that you got your mind set up on might be well deserted. But hey, go to the other PQ that is populated, get into the group and then after its done say "hey lets do this other PQ or maybe steal a keep?". That's how you do things in this game.
     



     

    Comments like " dont let the the door hit you on the way out " dont apply here, the OP makes some very good points and a hell of alot of people are feeling the same.... dont reply a to perfectly reasonable post with blind fanboi remarks and replys.

     

    Helluva lot of people that actually post in this viper pit of a forum you mean? It is just that I really don't see what those complains are about since I don't experience those problems.The game has some tbh, but I find that they are almost never actually mentioned here. It's all about the same old set of "problems" that I actually do not experience, and especially not to any degree that the "cool crowd" around here insists is "game breaking".

    I don't know why. Maybe I'm some kind of a freak that somehow got a special super-secret edition of WAR that is actually enjoyable to play and very easy to group... and so are all my guild members. Dunno. There's something funny here.

    I play on a low pop server and I find it very easy to group. I never have any problems with finding people to PQ. I do open RvR daily and I'm enjoying myself immensely. I don't know what is the problem with me. I really would like to be like the majority of posters on this site, pissing on this game mostly because they haven't put any effort in actually understanding how it plays.

    Maybe I should just join the crowd yelling "there is no open RvR" and then queue for a scenario instead of actually forming a RvR warband. Or maybe go to the first PQ, kill a mob and then proclaim the game dead because there isn't a full group waiting there for my pleasure. Hmm.. or the "PvE is shallow!" - off to that scenario again, maybe just maybe a starter quest from a hub occasionally. "Open RvR is imbalanced!" and then keep hitting that same old keep that is defended by half of the opposing faction instead of thinking strategically and attacking in some other pairing... I could go on and on in this manner you know... But frankly I'm tired. I'm off to play the game as it's meant to be played.

     

     

    First of all your not a FREAK your just a Warhammer Fanboi who decided that this is the best game ever, which evidently it's not due to it's declining numbers.  And yes I know you Play Destro thats why I know you are happy probably a mindless zerg herder slashing everything in it's sight with one button.  See how you like PVP when you guys are playing with yourselves, which  your probably doing already.

     

    Lol, according to some of the posts that have been constantly generated on this site I surely must be a freak for enjoying this game. In fact I recently heard one such "reviewer" around here stating that WAR is a game made for mentally challenged people from which it would follow that all players who do enjoy WAR must be "playing with less than a full deck".

    Oh and btw I'm playing order on a severely underpopulated server, Karak Norn FYI and am a leader of an intentionally small and tight guild. The goal is to have a guild where everybody knows each other and how everybody plays so we can do some really "special forces" kinda stuff. In fact if there's more than 2 of us in a scenario we win 95% of the time. Serious open RvR is still a bit iffy for a guild of our size but when we get our numbers up a bit and our alliance starts coordinating i think we'll have a bright future.

    Why am I saying this? Because I always wanted to play like that, small tight guild, people I know etc. In WoW and most other games of the type mega-guilds are the only way to go if you want to do anything (EvE a honorable exception, as always). The whole way classes work together and how the game rewards actual cooperation is what is actually drawing me the most into playing it. That and the great guild/alliance mechanics, ofc.

  • markoraosmarkoraos Member Posts: 1,593
    Originally posted by slask777


    I was in a guild on both my order and my destruction toons. Game just didn't do it for me. I hate to use this phrase, but it got potential, it's just not there yet. My orc was 32 when I left the game so I had a good try playing it. Anyway, when I said they looked gay I was refeering to the elves mostly. I don't have a clue what kinds of men gays find attractive, but I've seen my share of gays and the way some of them look. Elves just look too damn gay to me. No offense to gay men mind you.
    On the other points, WAR is played by alot of people and the naysayers around here is, as usual with trolls and their ilk, a poor measure of a games real success and playerbase and should be ignored at all times. Don't even bother to reply to them, unless you want to have some fun at their expense.
    One poster wrote that pve and rvr give out rewards a plenty but I don't see people there, I see them in the scenarios. Hence my other concern that the game is a pvp minigame.
    At the end, my opinion and taste is only my own. Allthough I'm sure alot of people share them (we aint that different after all), not everyone do and that's the way it should be. I posted this just cause I wanted to share my experience with the game with people and I said at the beginning that everyone should feel free to ignore this and move on  On that note, never take what we, the whiny bunch that we are, say about this and any other game for granted. This forum, as most forums are used for arguing and bickering and are a poor judge on how a game really is. One poster said metacritic is a better judge, and it is, allthough it's based on other people opinion as well. Warhammer is well worth it when they iron out the various bugs and balance it some more. Just wasn't my cup of tea at the moment. I will recheck this some 6 months or so down the line again, maybe earlier. Gonna watch those patches.
     

     

    Fair enough. The game has its flaws but people screaming that it's "broken" either have no clue or have an agenda. Whatever.

    See ya around mate. The way patches have been coming up I'd say that WAR will get fully polished in all aspects in 6 months or less. This "fully polished" means just that - not "playably" or "enjoyably" because it already is. Barring any catastrophic occurences that is... One of those could be a 3rd party takeover due to poor initial launch. I think those fears are behind us and imo EA/Mythic learned from recent examples that a mmo success takes some time AFTER the release. From what I heard from both of them they are ready to keep fully supporting WAR, as it is, for at least  6 months. The alternative would be a NGE-type makeover and we all know how that ended up.

    Anywayz, sorry for the harsh words up there but I was kinda pushed. If you don't like the game you don't have to blow your arguments out of proportion. For example glitchy animations do not bother me because a) I don't really pay that much attention and I find them quite rare and b) it is trivial technical stuff that gets slowly phased out through patching. However you might find them intolerably irritating, and that's cool - we're different after all. It is just that it has become so common to scream bloody murder on this site for every little thing - it's like looking for excuses for having a personal taste. The danger in it is that people try to sell it as an "objective" viewpoint and thus confuse and befuddle people who are looking for some honest info on the game. Chill out, folks...

    Cya later then!

    Oh and open RvR still leaves a lot to be desired, I'm not denying it. However the foundation is very solid and the devs actually made it their priority to fix it in the first major patch. And even in this state it is really enjoyable and playable as one of the various game modes - just not as THE prime and only one. I'm having lots of fun right now and it doesn't bother me a bit I'll have to wait a month or so to see open RvR brought up to par with the rest of the game.

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Member UncommonPosts: 2,610
    Originally posted by slask777


    Yes, I know. Another 'I quit' thread...gaahhh. Feel free to skip this one.
    After having played through the first free month I see no reason to sub to this game. It's still feels unfinished, got huge balance issues, rvr is a joke, xp is concentrated in the scenarios and the pve is boring.
    Unfinished - Animation issues with the npc and mobs. Sometimes the mobs will freeze their animation and float all over the place. Graphics engine make NVidia based pc-builds stutter like hell. You would think they bloody bugtest the thing against one of the main developers of graphics hardware, and system boards. There are player hotfixes for that thing, but I don't want to do that each bloody patch Mythic release.
     
    Never had these graphics problems that you speak of.  I built my rig myself and it is Nvidia based as well.  No stuttering, very few crashes.. and the crashing that I've experience has eased up over the last couple weeks, it rarely happens anymore.  I think the issues are with people that have outdated systems or computer illiterate people who have trashed their computers.  There are a wide range of rigs in my guild and very few of them have issues.
    Balance issues - This one is a nobrainer. Playerbase is spread to thin. Way to many servers to start with. Their dream of even getting a 10th of WoW's playerbase is proven wrong. WoW just gets stronger all the time. That's what I see on my servers atleast. The other balance issue this game got is order vs destruction. Half the order toons looks like feminine boys. I found it just as well to roll female toons so I didn't had to look at some gayboy all the freaking time (nothing against gays though, just don't like how bloody feminine they get sometimes). Their look just suck, causing alot of players to choose destruction based on looks alone. Then there are those that can look past that and roll order nonetheless. Then some 60-80% of them roll bright wizards cause of the sick amount of damage they can do. It's like all those that roll a rogue in WoW cause of the stunlock. I would like to see the looks on their faces when Mythic bring the nerf-bat to the bright wizards though  Order lacks tanks like hell, while destruction got too many of them. The balance all over the place is just out of whack.
     
    Every game has balance issues.  WoW, to this day.. is still constantly fixing problems with classes.  It's been one month and I've seen several attempts to balance things out.  However, you can't just expect everything to be fixed in one day or even one week.  It will take some time.. and none of these things are gamebreaking in RvR.  RvR is what the game is about, not 1v1.
     
    I think Destruction being the darker side and more badass is mostly why more people go that route.  I don't really think Dwarfs look like feminine boys.  Same goes for the Empire classes.  Elves on both sides look like girls.  I guess this is a matter of opinion.  Oh, by the way..  In Warhammer lore, the Order is grossly outnumbered.  It's is also very hard for Destruction to farm scenarios on some servers because there are too many compared to the Order that is qeueing up.  If you're going to talk about Bright Wizards.. we should talk about Witch Elves.  They can tear a Warrior Priest that has medium armor down in less than 5 seconds.  That's also while the priest is healing themself.  They pretty much blow up any class in little to no time.  They have so many dumb abilities that go through armor and hurt you when you cast, attack or run.  AND they can do over 1000 damage to you in one hit..  Or the Chaos Rift with Magus that enables Destruction to farm in scenarios that wasn't fixed by limiting the targets pulled.  I've still seen whole groups decimated by it and some ground target dots.
    RvR - RvR is non-existent cause of the huge amounts of xp you get from scenarios. You do get the occasional rvr-raid but most of the time the rvr-lakes stand empty. And what's with the ridiculously huge amount of rvr-lakes anyway?
     
    True, though.. in the next patch they are supposed to be adding RvR influence PQ's in the lakes.  Giving more experience for quests in general would be nice.  Making the items better for normal Chapter PQ's would help.  There are a lot of RvR lakes because.. imagine this.. it is a RvR game? 
    Xp - Most people I think would like to balance scenarios, rvr and pve while leveling their toons. The way scenarios give the shortest ride to endgame, public quests and general pve is empty. Most just idle in warcamps while waiting for the queue in scenarios. This game needs to reward people equally on all fronts. I would like to see scenarios be an alternative to pve and rvr, not the main activity in this game. They don't prepare you for rvr either as none of them mirror the experience you get from taking keeps and holding them.
     
    As stated above, they are going to implement some things that should help.  They are also increasing the XP and renown gained from open RvR.  The most scenarios do is help you learn to play your character in team situations.  It could be worse, they could allow warbands in scenarios.. =P
    Pve - For some good pve, look at how WoW did it. WoW is a mixed bag, but it's pve is excellent. Even Anarchy Online, a bleeding old mmo got better and more fun pve than WAR have at the moment. The devs at Mythic forgot to ask themselfes one critical question while they designed the pve, 'Is this fun?'. I realize that fun is something we all got different opinions about, but when almost everyone find WAR's pve boring something is wrong. Read so many threads about the pve, experienced it myself and talked to players ingame. Some like it, but most hate it.
     
    WoW makes people waste weeks.. months of their lives by giving you grind timesinks.  Grinding to exalted rep could take you month in some cases.  That is downright ridiculous.  I don't consider that FUN.  If you do, go back to WoW.  PQ's are far and away better than just about any normal rep grind that WoW has to offer.  You can grind for less than a half day and get elite rank, and you actually get a reward that's useful for your class.  If you try some of the dungeons, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised in how interesting some of the fights go. 
     
    Well, those are my main concerns with the game. I tried to like it, but it didn't stick. Mythic made a damn pvp minigame out of the whole thing. Game feels too unfinished aswell. I know it only got a month or so on itself and that the 1.1 patch is just around the corner, but it's too little, too late for me. I'll check this one out again later when it had some time to mature. At the moment game is just too boring and repetitive for me. I found myself at the end thinking up reasons why I should bother logging in and play the game. It was fun at the start(all games are), but when I reached mid-t3 the game just lost it all for me. Even D&DO and LotRO lasted longer for me and I hate how they introduced mana in D&DO and how empty LotRO felt most of the time. I guess both of those games got maturity now though. Hmm, maybe I'll go back and check them out again. Been away from both of them a long time now.
     
    This is one of the most polished MMO's ever to hit the shelves.  They cut some things.. yes.  But the content that is there is pretty complete.  I haven't once encountered anything in WAR where I would think of the word "unfinished".  Take a few days off and play a little casually at times.  Every single person will get burned out from time to time.  I'm not a fanboi, I'm not being paid by Mythic.  I just simply enjoy the game.  I'm sorry that you don't have any patience, maybe you should try something else.
     
    Edit: Nope, won't go back to WoW. So bloody damn tired of that game now. Burnt out is the word I'm looking for. While I think WoW is a great little mmo, it's not the top of my list. Never where as it's the old mmo called Anarchy Online that holds that position on my top10 list of great mmo's I've played WoW is a good second though. WoW's just a good game to compare with as it's the top dog at the moment. Reason why I used it as comparison. About the bright wizards, maybe I exaggerated a little bit about them, but a damn lot of the players do roll them. Most my deaths in pvp on the black orc is due to a bw dot or nuke.
     
    Oddly enough, my guild is about.. 40% Shadow Warriors and Warrior Priests. 

     

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