the thing is.. There is no innovation in WoW. There are NO features that are unique to WoW that didn't exist before WoW, or were created by another company and then implimented.
In view of the crap that was being published these last 2 years (little exception to LOTRO), I think everyone on this planet agrees that WOW is worth every penny for the time you play it. It can be 1 year, or 2 years or 4 years. Everyone can stop as he pleases, but even asking this question is indeed an example of bad taste and an insult to Blizzard for making a game that lasted 4 years on the absolute top of the games selling lists and subscription numbers. I guess the coming weeks we will see all those posts of all those Wow and Blizzard haters. All I can say is: I don't care if Wow killed your gaming populations. Let the best game be played most and the best game always gets the most subscription money from the people that like it.
Most popular != Best game
WoW is good for raiders/PvE/casuals. That's it. No need to praise it because lots of people are really fed up with the game. Sadly there are only a few good alternatives, because they don't have the cash Blizzard has.
It's like Microsoft. Does it have the best OS? No... but it has the majority of the market.
Or McDonalds... does it have the best burgers? No... but it's fast and cheap.
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This retarded excuse of an argument gets trotted out by McWarcraft fans every time someone has a legitimate criticism of the game. Wowfans believe that quality equates to sales/subscriptions. By the same logic McDonalds and Burger King make the best quality of food because their sales far surpass that of the mom and pop restaurant down the street. Obviously the WoWfans won't agree, but I see WoW as the quintessential fast-food of MMO's.
I am not talking of sales. Sales are temporarely hype based like AoC or War and other products who want a quick piece of the money grabbing. THEY are the fast food easy money making companies.
I am talking that the ONLY valid rating system is based on people's pockets.
Money pockets.
I am talking about subscriptions. People vote with their long term paying subscriptions.
That's why in this valid rating system Wow has 4.5 million stars for WESTERN subs.
ALL the rest of Western subs are under 0.5.
So the voting - concerning subscriptions - is WOW: 4.5 stars and all the rest is struggling to get that 0.5 star.
This has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting to PAY to PLAY this MMORPG game with long term subscriptions.
All other votes and polls are meaningless because they are based on "FREE for nothing vomitting" on a product which brings joy and pleasure to millions of people on this planet.
The only thing that counts is paid subscriptions to measure how good a subscription based game really is.
Simple fact. Your individual opinion doesn't even matter. Certainly not on www.wow-hating-mmorpg.com
Starting a new argument before you even finish the last one. Well fortunately for the intelligent I do not give up so easily. If you are basing games off subscription rates, then sorry your WoW really isn't number one. The number one game subscription would be xbox live gold. The interesting thing about xbox live gold is that there are no gold farmers. So yep, everyone of those subscriptions is actually used, unlike the huge amounts of gold farmers that WoW has. So according to your standards the people have voted, and they voted xbox live gold number one.
I am curious though, if we base our entire rating system off subscriptions what do we do with the games that do not require a subscription? Are they nothing simply because they do not continue to charge you to play a game you have already paid for? What about games like PlaneShift?
I want to quote you again "Simple fact. Your individual opinion doesn't even matter". What kind of 4th grade educated idiot are you? I am betting, just like the term respect, you have no idea what the word fact means. Let me educate you a little bit, maybe you will spend some time reading and learn something.
Main Entry:
fact Listen to the pronunciation of fact
Pronunciation:
?fakt
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date:
15th century
1: a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime <accessory after the fact> carchaic : action 2archaic : performance , doing3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>4 a: something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b: an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact
: in truth
Please explain to me which one of those you intended to be used. There is simply no way you can explain it that any of the definitions for the word "fact" fit. You are an idiot, I have tried to be nice but you continue to misuse words that you do not understand. I have nothing against spelling or grammar errors, but you continue to misuse words even after the definition for those words have been given to you.
I stated in an earlier post, YOU bodypass are one of the huge problems with the world today. Not only does your ignorance show in every post, but you do not even want to attempt to make it better. If after reading the definitions you can admit that you made a mistake, fine. Come back and we can continue our discussion of you telling me why I should respect a company that in my opinion has done nothing to earn it. Otherwise keep going and misusing words. I will call you on it, because you're comments from before make it clear someone needs to.
the thing is.. There is no innovation in WoW. There are NO features that are unique to WoW that didn't exist before WoW, or were created by another company and then implimented.
I completely agree with you. I get so tired of people running at the mouth about how WoW was innovative. That is complete crap, they looked at games at the time and took what they could. The problem for WoW is that technology doesn't stand still. Now the game world is much different than it was 4 years ago. Technology has allowed games to actually be innovative. I would like to know of one unique thing that WoW has brought to gaming. Just one, anyone ? Wait, that is right. They did bring one thing, they managed to package spyware into their game. Yeah, that is something really to be proud of.
April 2004 to nov 2008 is almost 4 years, yeah.... You mean 5.
Iwould like to give it 7,5 but I couldn't so I gave it a 8. The graphics draws it down a bit, it feels kinda dated today. It is still ok but it won't be in a year unless the revamp it.
Call my a hater, but WoWs really not that original. Everything they have in the game has been done before. I think the only original thing in the game is the Tauren. The graphics were so similar to Warhammer one wonders if it could even remotely be coincidental. Also the idea of Orcs vs Humans, and Demons vs Humans is also a concept that was the cornerstone of Warhammer. Now this isn't a "go play Warhammer" post, just a bit of history to back up my argument, which is
"WE ARE PAYING WAY TOO MUCH FOR THIS GAME!"
Now what we should be asking is what do those people on the low population servers think about WoW?
I think that I spent $50 to transfer to Zuluhed to find that it had one of the lowest populations of any server. I think that I pay $15 and I'm not able to really take advantage of most the content in the game because I am on a dead server. I think it would be nice to be allowed to leave for another server for free. I think that this will never actually happen.
Anyways, if you like WoW keep at it, if you don't quit. If you feel you're being cheated, then tell WoW, just not on their forums, they delete those posts.
If you're reading this, you probably need to get some sun.
the thing is.. There is no innovation in WoW. There are NO features that are unique to WoW that didn't exist before WoW, or were created by another company and then implimented.
WoW didn't set out to create all types of new features in the MMO world, because they didn't need to. Why do that when they can just make a flat out better game in almost every single aspect of most MMOs combined than everyone else even came close to. I think the innovation is there, but it is easily overlooked is simplistic comparisons.
Would you complain about a car that got 50 more miles per gallon, had the performance of a sportscar while seating 6 adults comfortably, doubled the safty rating of any other car, had a 1 million mile warrenty, etc? There is nothing there that didn't exist already in a lesser form spread out across several other vehicles, but something tells me it would make shockwaves in the auto industry like nothing ever seen.
Would you complain about a car that got 50 more miles per gallon, had the performance of a sportscar while seating 6 adults comfortably, doubled the safty rating of any other car, had a 1 million mile warrenty, etc? There is nothing there that didn't exist already in a lesser form spread out across several other vehicles, but something tells me it would make shockwaves in the auto industry like nothing ever seen.
Who said I was complaining? I was just stating a fact. And your analogy if flawed. Wow Didn't take something and make it better.. they just took it.. and added other things from other games to it. The combined the best on the market, used a strong name that was known (has been known) and marketed the shit out of it.
Would you complain about a car that got 50 more miles per gallon, had the performance of a sportscar while seating 6 adults comfortably, doubled the safty rating of any other car, had a 1 million mile warrenty, etc? There is nothing there that didn't exist already in a lesser form spread out across several other vehicles, but something tells me it would make shockwaves in the auto industry like nothing ever seen.
Who said I was complaining? I was just stating a fact. And your analogy if flawed. Wow Didn't take something and make it better.. they just took it.. and added other things from other games to it. The combined the best on the market, used a strong name that was known (has been known) and marketed the shit out of it.
Sorry, when you said WoW did nothing innovative and just took what was on the market I took that for a complaint, especially when coupled with most of your other statements in the thread. My mistake, but I think my analogy nailed something right....
As for WoW marketing and combining the best of other games and putting a well known IP behind it.... I think there are at least a dozen other examples that fit that bill and for many reasons didn't have the same success. I wonder why.
April 2004 to nov 2008 is almost 4 years, yeah.... You mean 5. Iwould like to give it 7,5 but I couldn't so I gave it a 8. The graphics draws it down a bit, it feels kinda dated today. It is still ok but it won't be in a year unless the revamp it.
Same for me the game worth deffenetly not a 10 but no less then a 7 I giave it a 8 cause the game isn't that perfect anymore but it still is a lot better then the overall MMo's on the market
WoW's quite good, but a 10?? Nope, more like 7-8. The simplicity of the game is a little bummer, the gear dependency rules the game and the fact that they release expansionpacks that might as well been patches (and they are as Blizzard bloody patch the things in) and on top of that want money for it brings it down. With the amount of money they get from the game you would expect rewamped dungeons and shit like that.
Thanks to the expansion packs most of Azeroth is empty now. When WotLK hits I guess most of Outland will be empty aswell. There is absolutely no incentive to go back and play the classic dungeons cause the gear in them is so bad compered to TBC stuff and when WotLK hits the shelfes the same will happen with Outland. As an example I remember when I first stepped into Outland. The very first quest I did had gear that was better than tier3 stuff, which was the top of the line gear pre-bc and to top it of, and as a final insult to the raider back then, it was a bloody green.
Another thing that brings it down is that the casual players is on the same footing as the hardcore ones. Gear is given out left and right, the last one being the free epics from the WotLK invasion event going on. That is just wrong. You're not supposed to be on pair with a player that spend most of their waking hours in a game.
That brings us back to the dependency on the gear ingame. It's just too high. Gear supposed to help you, not decide if you're a worthy player or not. In WoW this is so. Try to do a heroic dungeon or a raid in quest greens and blues. You will first of all be raped by the mobs in those dungeons, secondly you will be laughed at by the players running it and denied a spot in their groups no matter how smart a player you are. You're only option is to grind for better gear. The game is centered around the gear you have, not what kind of player you are and that is a big no-no in my book.
What is the point in raiding in TBC when stuff you pick up from regular questing in WotLK is much better than the best stuff the game got to offer right now? You want to see how those dungeons look and what the boss fights are all about? There is a shitload of videos around the net documenting every square inch of those dungeons.
Blizzard brought themselfes into a vicious circle with their design of the game. A few years from now you'll hear about people soloing the old raid bosses, or even one-shotting them if the current trend WoW is into continues. They are already 2-manning stuff that used to be hard as hell.
Still, even with all this stuff that irritate me about the game, it's still one of the best mmo's out there at the moment. No mmo I've tried and played been able to capture me like WoW did, except the first mmo-love ofcourse. WoW is on the shelf for me at the moment, and will stay there for a while but I suspect I will resub to it somewhere down the line if nothing else interesting shows up. There are a few games on the horizon looking quite interesting though.
I liked Wow for 2 years but then lotro released and gave lots of free content for the monthly fee (the free added content is more then the whole BC addon for Wow gave us....and Dx10!) and with the upcomming expansion the game will be double the size :P thats what called value for money. Don't understand me wrong but Blizzard doesn't do much for the monthly fees.....:S
That's a good point, I like WoW and I'm currently paying a subscription, but I think that they could do a lot more in terms of content for the money. Very little happens between the paid-for expansions - it's already a very popular game, they should consider how much more popular it would be if they just put a little more effort into between-expansion content.
I don't think it can gain that much more popularity. I mean, WoW brings people into the genre.. everyone whos already here knows what WoW is (And they've all played it).. if they wanted to keep more people.. they'd need to do something about their community. The extremes are at both ends.. but nobody remembers the intelligent conversation, they all remember barrens chat.
IMO, WoW is the 2nd best game on the market, and 3rd best MMO of all time. Right behind EQ and DAoC.
Is this a plug for WoW? No, because all the other games completely suck. I started WoW when it was released in Nov of 04, and quickly cancelled. Since, then I've probably only been subscribed for a 2-3 months.
LOTRO is WoW with more boring classes. I didn't even think that was possible, but Turbine once again proved me wrong(the other times were when I thought AC2 and DDO were going to be good games).
the thing is.. There is no innovation in WoW. There are NO features that are unique to WoW that didn't exist before WoW, or were created by another company and then implimented.
Yeah, but that's the thing ... Blizzard took existing concepts and implemented them successfully. Who cares if you're playing some great concept if the game itself isgarbiage. SWG is a great example here: fantastic concepts, but all implemented incredibly poorly.
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the thing is.. There is no innovation in WoW. There are NO features that are unique to WoW that didn't exist before WoW, or were created by another company and then implimented.
Yeah, but that's the thing ... Blizzard took existing concepts and implemented them successfully. Who cares if you're playing some great concept if the game itself isgarbiage. SWG is a great example here: fantastic concepts, but all implemented incredibly poorly.
Yeah, like the new Alone in the Dark game, great ideas but no fun.
I would have given the game an 8 or even 9 two or tree years ago. Simply because I didn't know better, it was the first mmo I played, very easy to play and I've met some nice poeple in game. But wow has become more and more a grinding game and now its the only thing you can do, grind to dead for anything you want to do. I recently resubed for a month after more than a year inactivity and the only thing I could do was grinding the same quests over and over again or do the same dungeons over and over again.
So if I need to give it some points now it would be down to 3-4, because there isn't much to do in game as doing the same (easy) quests or doing the same dungeons all the time, pvp doesn't interest me as it depends to much of what gear you have, skills doesn't matter, frustration is because of that to high and there is always 1 class that is to much imbalanced. Actualy the whole game depends on gear, skills are not needed, just brainless grinding. And that is what I think the main reason why so many ppl play this game, you don't need brains to be able to play it. Even my father in law of 60 years old who can't read or speak English has a lvl70 toon.
9 here and this is from someone who has played massively multiplayer games online since 1994. I want to hate WoW but I can't. I really enjoy it. I keep coming back to it. Yes I take lots of breaks from it and play other games. There are just so many things that Blizzard does right (and of course wrong). WoW is the most recent release I've played the longest. I like the changes so far and will stay longer. The only downside for me is the PvP... after playing it for a bit I refuse to touch it. I play WAR for that (oRvR mostly). WoW is for the PvP and group-cooperative play.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
No doubt that Blizzard does a fantastic job with the polish of the game, with the graphics. But the gameplay got stale to me. Not saying any other MMO is better, but myself and a few friends became quite bored with WoW. I quit shortly after 2.4 came out because, though I like Blizzard making it easier for everyone to get good gear, I think they took a poor approach too it.
Ingame mail. I don't remember that in any other MMO before WoW.
Rest state? I don't remember that in any other MMO before WoW.
I remember playing EverQUEST for five years off and on. Hardly ever quested and even then it took a offline fansite to figure out the stupid text "riddles" for them. Then I tried WoW and found more quests than I could even finish and a quest interface that was actually intuitive. It was more than that. It was lightyears beyond EQ's vastly inferior quest UI.
Alot of the things WoW did may not have been brand new, all they did was improve the on the mediocre execution of previous MMO concepts. Basically they did everything better. Before WoW, MMOs felt like lazy efforts that relied on compulsive gamers rather than solid game design.
As far as bang per buck, Blizzard's released more free *fresh* content than any MMO developer I know of. Not just that, but the existing content is fun enough to keep coming back with alts and different classes.
People like to slag WoW for being newbie friendly but it takes alot more thought and effort to make a game that's easy to learn than it does to stick a level 1 bard in the middle of Freeport City with nothing but a guild note.
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the thing is.. There is no innovation in WoW. There are NO features that are unique to WoW that didn't exist before WoW, or were created by another company and then implimented.
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Most popular != Best game
WoW is good for raiders/PvE/casuals. That's it. No need to praise it because lots of people are really fed up with the game. Sadly there are only a few good alternatives, because they don't have the cash Blizzard has.
It's like Microsoft. Does it have the best OS? No... but it has the majority of the market.
Or McDonalds... does it have the best burgers? No... but it's fast and cheap.
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Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
I am not talking of sales. Sales are temporarely hype based like AoC or War and other products who want a quick piece of the money grabbing. THEY are the fast food easy money making companies.
I am talking that the ONLY valid rating system is based on people's pockets.
Money pockets.
I am talking about subscriptions. People vote with their long term paying subscriptions.
That's why in this valid rating system Wow has 4.5 million stars for WESTERN subs.
ALL the rest of Western subs are under 0.5.
So the voting - concerning subscriptions - is WOW: 4.5 stars and all the rest is struggling to get that 0.5 star.
This has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting to PAY to PLAY this MMORPG game with long term subscriptions.
All other votes and polls are meaningless because they are based on "FREE for nothing vomitting" on a product which brings joy and pleasure to millions of people on this planet.
The only thing that counts is paid subscriptions to measure how good a subscription based game really is.
Simple fact. Your individual opinion doesn't even matter. Certainly not on www.wow-hating-mmorpg.com
Starting a new argument before you even finish the last one. Well fortunately for the intelligent I do not give up so easily. If you are basing games off subscription rates, then sorry your WoW really isn't number one. The number one game subscription would be xbox live gold. The interesting thing about xbox live gold is that there are no gold farmers. So yep, everyone of those subscriptions is actually used, unlike the huge amounts of gold farmers that WoW has. So according to your standards the people have voted, and they voted xbox live gold number one.
I am curious though, if we base our entire rating system off subscriptions what do we do with the games that do not require a subscription? Are they nothing simply because they do not continue to charge you to play a game you have already paid for? What about games like PlaneShift?
I want to quote you again "Simple fact. Your individual opinion doesn't even matter". What kind of 4th grade educated idiot are you? I am betting, just like the term respect, you have no idea what the word fact means. Let me educate you a little bit, maybe you will spend some time reading and learn something.
Main Entry:
fact Listen to the pronunciation of fact
Pronunciation:
?fakt
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date:
15th century
1: a thing done: as aobsolete : feat b: crime <accessory after the fact> carchaic : action 2archaic : performance , doing3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>4 a: something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b: an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact
: in truth
Please explain to me which one of those you intended to be used. There is simply no way you can explain it that any of the definitions for the word "fact" fit. You are an idiot, I have tried to be nice but you continue to misuse words that you do not understand. I have nothing against spelling or grammar errors, but you continue to misuse words even after the definition for those words have been given to you.
I stated in an earlier post, YOU bodypass are one of the huge problems with the world today. Not only does your ignorance show in every post, but you do not even want to attempt to make it better. If after reading the definitions you can admit that you made a mistake, fine. Come back and we can continue our discussion of you telling me why I should respect a company that in my opinion has done nothing to earn it. Otherwise keep going and misusing words. I will call you on it, because you're comments from before make it clear someone needs to.
I completely agree with you. I get so tired of people running at the mouth about how WoW was innovative. That is complete crap, they looked at games at the time and took what they could. The problem for WoW is that technology doesn't stand still. Now the game world is much different than it was 4 years ago. Technology has allowed games to actually be innovative. I would like to know of one unique thing that WoW has brought to gaming. Just one, anyone ? Wait, that is right. They did bring one thing, they managed to package spyware into their game. Yeah, that is something really to be proud of.
April 2004 to nov 2008 is almost 4 years, yeah.... You mean 5.
Iwould like to give it 7,5 but I couldn't so I gave it a 8. The graphics draws it down a bit, it feels kinda dated today. It is still ok but it won't be in a year unless the revamp it.
I think the game is great. You dont have to be innovative to be succesfull.
11 million subscribers... doesnt that tell you anything? Show me a mmo that matches those numbers. Better yet. Take 2 and combine their numbers.
I give no mercy
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I think the game is great. You dont have to be innovative to be succesfull.
11 million subscribers... doesnt that tell you anything? Show me a mmo that matches those numbers. Better yet. Take 2 and combine their numbers.
I give no mercy
Call my a hater, but WoWs really not that original. Everything they have in the game has been done before. I think the only original thing in the game is the Tauren. The graphics were so similar to Warhammer one wonders if it could even remotely be coincidental. Also the idea of Orcs vs Humans, and Demons vs Humans is also a concept that was the cornerstone of Warhammer. Now this isn't a "go play Warhammer" post, just a bit of history to back up my argument, which is
"WE ARE PAYING WAY TOO MUCH FOR THIS GAME!"
Now what we should be asking is what do those people on the low population servers think about WoW?
I think that I spent $50 to transfer to Zuluhed to find that it had one of the lowest populations of any server. I think that I pay $15 and I'm not able to really take advantage of most the content in the game because I am on a dead server. I think it would be nice to be allowed to leave for another server for free. I think that this will never actually happen.
Anyways, if you like WoW keep at it, if you don't quit. If you feel you're being cheated, then tell WoW, just not on their forums, they delete those posts.
If you're reading this, you probably need to get some sun.
WoW didn't set out to create all types of new features in the MMO world, because they didn't need to. Why do that when they can just make a flat out better game in almost every single aspect of most MMOs combined than everyone else even came close to. I think the innovation is there, but it is easily overlooked is simplistic comparisons.
Would you complain about a car that got 50 more miles per gallon, had the performance of a sportscar while seating 6 adults comfortably, doubled the safty rating of any other car, had a 1 million mile warrenty, etc? There is nothing there that didn't exist already in a lesser form spread out across several other vehicles, but something tells me it would make shockwaves in the auto industry like nothing ever seen.
It offers nothing new or compelling for me. Hasn't since pre-BC.
There are plenty of other games I'd rather be playing right now...like Fallout 3.
Who said I was complaining? I was just stating a fact. And your analogy if flawed. Wow Didn't take something and make it better.. they just took it.. and added other things from other games to it. The combined the best on the market, used a strong name that was known (has been known) and marketed the shit out of it.
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Look at almost any of the asian MMOs.. I think 26Million was one at one time.. GW.. also is up there..
WoW is the highest P2P though..
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Who said I was complaining? I was just stating a fact. And your analogy if flawed. Wow Didn't take something and make it better.. they just took it.. and added other things from other games to it. The combined the best on the market, used a strong name that was known (has been known) and marketed the shit out of it.
Sorry, when you said WoW did nothing innovative and just took what was on the market I took that for a complaint, especially when coupled with most of your other statements in the thread. My mistake, but I think my analogy nailed something right....
As for WoW marketing and combining the best of other games and putting a well known IP behind it.... I think there are at least a dozen other examples that fit that bill and for many reasons didn't have the same success. I wonder why.
Same for me the game worth deffenetly not a 10 but no less then a 7 I giave it a 8 cause the game isn't that perfect anymore but it still is a lot better then the overall MMo's on the market
WoW's quite good, but a 10?? Nope, more like 7-8. The simplicity of the game is a little bummer, the gear dependency rules the game and the fact that they release expansionpacks that might as well been patches (and they are as Blizzard bloody patch the things in) and on top of that want money for it brings it down. With the amount of money they get from the game you would expect rewamped dungeons and shit like that.
Thanks to the expansion packs most of Azeroth is empty now. When WotLK hits I guess most of Outland will be empty aswell. There is absolutely no incentive to go back and play the classic dungeons cause the gear in them is so bad compered to TBC stuff and when WotLK hits the shelfes the same will happen with Outland. As an example I remember when I first stepped into Outland. The very first quest I did had gear that was better than tier3 stuff, which was the top of the line gear pre-bc and to top it of, and as a final insult to the raider back then, it was a bloody green.
Another thing that brings it down is that the casual players is on the same footing as the hardcore ones. Gear is given out left and right, the last one being the free epics from the WotLK invasion event going on. That is just wrong. You're not supposed to be on pair with a player that spend most of their waking hours in a game.
That brings us back to the dependency on the gear ingame. It's just too high. Gear supposed to help you, not decide if you're a worthy player or not. In WoW this is so. Try to do a heroic dungeon or a raid in quest greens and blues. You will first of all be raped by the mobs in those dungeons, secondly you will be laughed at by the players running it and denied a spot in their groups no matter how smart a player you are. You're only option is to grind for better gear. The game is centered around the gear you have, not what kind of player you are and that is a big no-no in my book.
What is the point in raiding in TBC when stuff you pick up from regular questing in WotLK is much better than the best stuff the game got to offer right now? You want to see how those dungeons look and what the boss fights are all about? There is a shitload of videos around the net documenting every square inch of those dungeons.
Blizzard brought themselfes into a vicious circle with their design of the game. A few years from now you'll hear about people soloing the old raid bosses, or even one-shotting them if the current trend WoW is into continues. They are already 2-manning stuff that used to be hard as hell.
Still, even with all this stuff that irritate me about the game, it's still one of the best mmo's out there at the moment. No mmo I've tried and played been able to capture me like WoW did, except the first mmo-love ofcourse. WoW is on the shelf for me at the moment, and will stay there for a while but I suspect I will resub to it somewhere down the line if nothing else interesting shows up. There are a few games on the horizon looking quite interesting though.
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That's a good point, I like WoW and I'm currently paying a subscription, but I think that they could do a lot more in terms of content for the money. Very little happens between the paid-for expansions - it's already a very popular game, they should consider how much more popular it would be if they just put a little more effort into between-expansion content.
I don't think it can gain that much more popularity. I mean, WoW brings people into the genre.. everyone whos already here knows what WoW is (And they've all played it).. if they wanted to keep more people.. they'd need to do something about their community. The extremes are at both ends.. but nobody remembers the intelligent conversation, they all remember barrens chat.
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IMO, WoW is the 2nd best game on the market, and 3rd best MMO of all time. Right behind EQ and DAoC.
Is this a plug for WoW? No, because all the other games completely suck. I started WoW when it was released in Nov of 04, and quickly cancelled. Since, then I've probably only been subscribed for a 2-3 months.
LOTRO is WoW with more boring classes. I didn't even think that was possible, but Turbine once again proved me wrong(the other times were when I thought AC2 and DDO were going to be good games).
Yeah, but that's the thing ... Blizzard took existing concepts and implemented them successfully. Who cares if you're playing some great concept if the game itself isgarbiage. SWG is a great example here: fantastic concepts, but all implemented incredibly poorly.
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Yeah, but that's the thing ... Blizzard took existing concepts and implemented them successfully. Who cares if you're playing some great concept if the game itself isgarbiage. SWG is a great example here: fantastic concepts, but all implemented incredibly poorly.
Yeah, like the new Alone in the Dark game, great ideas but no fun.
I would have given the game an 8 or even 9 two or tree years ago. Simply because I didn't know better, it was the first mmo I played, very easy to play and I've met some nice poeple in game. But wow has become more and more a grinding game and now its the only thing you can do, grind to dead for anything you want to do. I recently resubed for a month after more than a year inactivity and the only thing I could do was grinding the same quests over and over again or do the same dungeons over and over again.
So if I need to give it some points now it would be down to 3-4, because there isn't much to do in game as doing the same (easy) quests or doing the same dungeons all the time, pvp doesn't interest me as it depends to much of what gear you have, skills doesn't matter, frustration is because of that to high and there is always 1 class that is to much imbalanced. Actualy the whole game depends on gear, skills are not needed, just brainless grinding. And that is what I think the main reason why so many ppl play this game, you don't need brains to be able to play it. Even my father in law of 60 years old who can't read or speak English has a lvl70 toon.
9 here and this is from someone who has played massively multiplayer games online since 1994. I want to hate WoW but I can't. I really enjoy it. I keep coming back to it. Yes I take lots of breaks from it and play other games. There are just so many things that Blizzard does right (and of course wrong). WoW is the most recent release I've played the longest. I like the changes so far and will stay longer. The only downside for me is the PvP... after playing it for a bit I refuse to touch it. I play WAR for that (oRvR mostly). WoW is for the PvP and group-cooperative play.
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No doubt that Blizzard does a fantastic job with the polish of the game, with the graphics. But the gameplay got stale to me. Not saying any other MMO is better, but myself and a few friends became quite bored with WoW. I quit shortly after 2.4 came out because, though I like Blizzard making it easier for everyone to get good gear, I think they took a poor approach too it.
Ingame mail. I don't remember that in any other MMO before WoW.
Rest state? I don't remember that in any other MMO before WoW.
I remember playing EverQUEST for five years off and on. Hardly ever quested and even then it took a offline fansite to figure out the stupid text "riddles" for them. Then I tried WoW and found more quests than I could even finish and a quest interface that was actually intuitive. It was more than that. It was lightyears beyond EQ's vastly inferior quest UI.
Alot of the things WoW did may not have been brand new, all they did was improve the on the mediocre execution of previous MMO concepts. Basically they did everything better. Before WoW, MMOs felt like lazy efforts that relied on compulsive gamers rather than solid game design.
As far as bang per buck, Blizzard's released more free *fresh* content than any MMO developer I know of. Not just that, but the existing content is fun enough to keep coming back with alts and different classes.
People like to slag WoW for being newbie friendly but it takes alot more thought and effort to make a game that's easy to learn than it does to stick a level 1 bard in the middle of Freeport City with nothing but a guild note.
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