Consider this a heads up if you haven't got the game yet. Buy the US version and play their servers. The game is doing well in US with healthy servers, acceptable support and regular hotfixes. In the EU the game is dieing. There's only two servers at High pop mid-week and those are non-english, the rest are somewhere between Med and Low. ORVR is rare, scenarios die out as you advance in tiers and support is non-existant. Patches are lost in translation. Features that the US have had since release are still on indefinate hold in the EU, such as Realm Leaderboards, Free Char Transfer to fix the ghost town servers and the recent Test Server which is the latest to get added to the EU's "coming soon"-list. Europeans are met with the same incompetent arrogance that mirrors what Funcom did at Conan. I couldn't have thought of a better example of how support will make or break a game.
Opened a US account today (downloaded/purchased the client from EB Games). Already the difference is noticeable. I should've known better, after hearing all the bad reports in regards to EU DAOC.
Consider this a heads up if you haven't got the game yet. Buy the US version and play their servers. The game is doing well in US with healthy servers, acceptable support and regular hotfixes. In the EU the game is dieing. There's only two servers at High pop mid-week and those are non-english, the rest are somewhere between Med and Low. ORVR is rare, scenarios die out as you advance in tiers and support is non-existant. Patches are lost in translation. Features that the US have had since release are still on indefinate hold in the EU, such as Realm Leaderboards, Free Char Transfer to fix the ghost town servers and the recent Test Server which is the latest to get added to the EU's "coming soon"-list. Europeans are met with the same incompetent arrogance that mirrors what Funcom did at Conan. I couldn't have thought of a better example of how support will make or break a game.
Yup, I resubbed wow yesterday. EU has a billion too many servers and GOA / Mythic couldn't give a f**k about the European customer base.
The only High/med server I saw was a french one i think.
I might pop back one day and see how things progress.
Consider this a heads up if you haven't got the game yet. Buy the US version and play their servers. The game is doing well in US with healthy servers, acceptable support and regular hotfixes. In the EU the game is dieing. There's only two servers at High pop mid-week and those are non-english, the rest are somewhere between Med and Low. ORVR is rare, scenarios die out as you advance in tiers and support is non-existant. Patches are lost in translation. Features that the US have had since release are still on indefinate hold in the EU, such as Realm Leaderboards, Free Char Transfer to fix the ghost town servers and the recent Test Server which is the latest to get added to the EU's "coming soon"-list. Europeans are met with the same incompetent arrogance that mirrors what Funcom did at Conan. I couldn't have thought of a better example of how support will make or break a game.
Opened a US account today (downloaded/purchased the client from EB Games). Already the difference is noticeable. I should've known better, after hearing all the bad reports in regards to EU DAOC.
Expensive mistake
How did you do that? i am in Europe and its clearly written in red on EB games.
The download version of this product is not eligible for refunds. This product is only available for purchase in the United States, Canada and Mexico. A monthly fee is required to play.
Consider this a heads up if you haven't got the game yet. Buy the US version and play their servers. The game is doing well in US with healthy servers, acceptable support and regular hotfixes. In the EU the game is dieing. There's only two servers at High pop mid-week and those are non-english, the rest are somewhere between Med and Low. ORVR is rare, scenarios die out as you advance in tiers and support is non-existant. Patches are lost in translation. Features that the US have had since release are still on indefinate hold in the EU, such as Realm Leaderboards, Free Char Transfer to fix the ghost town servers and the recent Test Server which is the latest to get added to the EU's "coming soon"-list. Europeans are met with the same incompetent arrogance that mirrors what Funcom did at Conan. I couldn't have thought of a better example of how support will make or break a game.
Opened a US account today (downloaded/purchased the client from EB Games). Already the difference is noticeable. I should've known better, after hearing all the bad reports in regards to EU DAOC.
Expensive mistake
How did you do that? i am in Europe and its clearly written in red on EB games.
The download version of this product is not eligible for refunds. This product is only available for purchase in the United States, Canada and Mexico. A monthly fee is required to play.
They block your IP by country , unfortunately.
Download the trial of hide-my-ip 2008 - www.hide-my-ip.com/ which will mask your current IP address and replace it with a random American one.
Just go through the usual purchase procedures (the pages will load VERY slow while masking your IP) and confirm your order (only click once, takes a while to go trhough). When you reach the download page, close hide-my-ip (or just remove it from your computer) and download the game. Took me about 8 hours or so with a 4mb connection. They'll then send you your cd-key by the email you selected.
Funnily enough, EB don't seem to care any about the country of origin your Credit Card beongs to, and neither do Mythic when it comes to your subscription. In fact, its easier setting up an account for the US than it is with GOA
Edit - now a lvl 7 Squig Herder on Red Eye Mountain
Yesterday I was killing zombies in chapter 14 (order) all alone... no one even close... I stare at them, then I stopped the slaughter. I went to a nearby mirror, look my face... I WAS ONE OF THEM. Killing 100 zombies because there are no group, no people for the PQs makes you another one, it is ridiculous, it's not a pleasure, it's a pain. Logged off of course, I play for fun, not for that. Scenarios, well, wait your 30 minutes, play that unreal clone, look what miserable amount your bars level, do it again, kill zombies or whatever the first stage of the PQ is (dont even dream doing the second or even third stage).
Dying... of course. No wonder why... (no economy, useless crafting, empty PQs, scenario mindless grind, empty/meaningles RvR, unrewarding quests...).
I think level 30 is enough of this. Enjoyed the firsts levels though, but lately this is going terrible. At least in Spanish servers, people are quitting massively seems. But just is only my opinion.
Consider this a heads up if you haven't got the game yet. Buy the US version and play their servers. The game is doing well in US with healthy servers, acceptable support and regular hotfixes. In the EU the game is dieing. There's only two servers at High pop mid-week and those are non-english, the rest are somewhere between Med and Low. ORVR is rare, scenarios die out as you advance in tiers and support is non-existant. Patches are lost in translation. Features that the US have had since release are still on indefinate hold in the EU, such as Realm Leaderboards, Free Char Transfer to fix the ghost town servers and the recent Test Server which is the latest to get added to the EU's "coming soon"-list. Europeans are met with the same incompetent arrogance that mirrors what Funcom did at Conan. I couldn't have thought of a better example of how support will make or break a game.
This dude is just a random troll. We in the EU got our patches usualy 1-2 day after the US, but I have to agree the hype for this game is going down fast, there are more low/low server than mid/high.
But it deps what server. Karak-hirn is certainl;y not dead.
The challenge at the moment on healthy servers is that tier 4 city taking takes a lot of cooperation by the guilds on each side and atm that isnt happening. It seems that larger guilds have a harder time levelling their guild rank - this makes smaller guilds look ideal, players need to employ few if any social / grouping / team building skills to level up or do mainstream/scenatio based RvR.
So you have the end game requiring a lot of inter guild cooperation and rest of the game positively rewarding/geared t o very little.
Scenarios running - even with relatively low renoun gains - are engrained in players heads by the time they hit rank 40 - so they easily continue to grind them for renou gain - when if they were not available at rank 40 (or limitied) players would be oushed into open rvr (sieges) to get renoun ranks up.
With tier 4 activity more likely to follow a zerg approach where keeps are taken one area retaken another - ad infinitum - this essentially prevents a siege on opposing capital because the see saw effect pervades.
Again encouraging little coperation earlier in the game doesnt help GMs organise a more coherent faction approach to put real pressure on opposing sides city.
Little benefit in real terms afforded to successful guilds. You can pay a lot of gold a day to own a keep but it gives minimal benefits versus the huge hit on ranking speed larger guilds seem to incur. small guild ranks fast er but cost is prohibitive, larger guild can make the gold (but its still not easy) to own a keep but gets little benefit from doing so.
All thi s aside, the game is good - i dont buy the class imbalance stuff - thats just people too lazy to learn what classes they should face off against and too lazy to orgaise a reasonably balanced team and develop some tactics (rathert thna just turn up and zerg and hope for the best or expect 1v1 pvp against any class to be a fair fight)
Any mmog has a number of people that burn up the ranks then wonder what there is t do until more join them, andy new mmog faces some bugs and balancing issues/gameplay changes as the developers mould the game.
But to me at tier 4 Mythic have to look at scenarios (limit them) work out how to help guild leaders get guilds organised fr or oppsing city capture and educate the players (instead ) of beinfg secretative about it, introduce some elements that reward organised teamplay better at the lower ranks, merge some servers because some are very poorly ppulated and that just going to turn off a percentage of players.
I expect the end game to come and liven up a lot over the next six weeks but it will be a shame if a lot of good people leave. That being said there are a lot of particualrly poor players (in terms of ability to organise/ willingness to sacrifice something for team work / communication etc) who i would welcome leaving.
WAR is a good game- but you wnt to pick certain servers if you are playing in the eu and be prepared to work at teamwork/relationshps if you want to achieve in the end game.
the most i've seen over here in the united states are servers with medium population on both sides at best. even then, those servers are lacking in any action. too many people are tucked away in scenarios and aren't even trying to partake in any world rvr.
the server my toons are on is praag. even though it's an open rvr server, the rvr is very passive. most of the time i'm trying to chase down some order toons, they run from me even though they're sometimes of equal level, root me, run some more, i catch up, try to engage in some ganking, and it all repeats itself. maybe one out of ten i would get somebody who'd actually fight back. sometimes i'd win. sometimes i'd lose. all in all, i was happy to have fought somebody that actually fought back, or vice versa. when an rvr warband is formed, it all turns into a giant stare down across camps with the ranged toons lobbing crap our way, our ranged toons lobbing crap their way, and that's about as *exciting* as it gets. even the rvr geared guild i was apart of would mostly organize scenario groups, which i was/am strongly opposed to.
i really wanted to like this game. i gave it a month. i usually don't give games i'm struggling to like, that much time. i've gone the route of uninstalling this game and won't touch it ever again. why do i come to this forum if i dislike the game so much? well, it's because i enjoy what many of the regulars here have to type. even the trolls are entertaining.
for those in real rvr guilds, good for you. even more power to you all that you're having fun playing.
GOA was a bad choice by Mythic. With their delayed patches and still no announced server transfers.
Their 'translation takes time' excuse is getting old. Lot of hotfixes barely need translation. But still get delayed way too long.
Ive been playing a singleplayer game with my Black Orc on Tor Anroc server. My sub has been cancelled and I will only resub if they announce servertransfers before it runs out. But I dont really expect them anymore this month.
Thanks for the heads up, i will let my m8 know to hold off buying this game at the moment (he wouldnt listen to me with my concerns).
Its also true that GOA are that slow at releasing updates as they want to get all languages translated 1st (usually the French servers are done firstly too) followed by the rest. The english servers usually have problems because they dont even look at that patch as they expect it fully working (which then has problems for a week till they fix it). They have been known to fall 6+ months behind the US (with Daoc) was the main reason i quit that game and never went back after over a year of playing it.
I held off this game for 2 reasons, 1-monthly price - I had concerns at their monthly price for the EU, of around the £12.50 including vat, as opposed to all the other games (SoE = £9.49 and any server be it EU or US to choose from, all the others are £8.99 but only have the EU choice, thats also including vat). Unless you found someone willing to pay for your account in the US (or vice versa) and you purchased that particular copy. To me, this says, we do it that way, we make more money as they will purchase 2 game copies. Thats the real reason they do it this way all other reasons are utter BS. Then we have number 2 - GoA running the servers.
I know how they ran things, i also know they promised to run warhammer alot better (ye right) i thought i would read, watch, wait and see. Major big EU feckups before the game went live showed my concerns to be running as expected, things really do not seem as if they have gotten better. I also predicted with that pricetag, if this game did not have a good start in the EU it would fail, it would not fail in the US, so far i am running correctly to my prediction too. I really was hoping i was wrong, but if the game relies on plenty of players to play the game, then it does sound like a failure.
My mate will probably still more than likely purchase the game (but not for a month or so), when he does i will more than likely have a play, but i doubt i will fork out that pricetag as i just cannot see it being the dogs bollocks of all online mmo's that would warrent the price they are charging. In fact i am hearing that WoW owns WaR hands down, the only problem is WoW has become boring and old, unfortunatly there still is nothing around that can beat it (yet). Tabula rasa=fail, EQ2=fail, Vanguard= Epic fail (i also gave this 2 chances from there 3 or 4 comeback trials) i took the 1st 2 comback trials and nothing had changed except server populations, i however have not taken the last 1 or 2 comeback trials they have had/done. Lotro= an ok'ish game, but once you hit max lvl game over re-roll another toon and start over, would probably have gone for it but i aint paying a subscription that is equal to /or more than warcraft. not for a game thats there to just knock in a month here or there whilst waiting/taking a break from the main online subscription based game you play. AoC i never touched (bad reports about it that are still very much ongoing), you can also tell from news posts from the company that its failing/not doing as well as expected. PoTbS=epic fail.
GOA was a bad choice by Mythic. With their delayed patches and still no announced server transfers.
When I saw this thread I personally thought its not doing as well as it should in either market.
However, to stay on track ya GOA... they did so well with DAoC it was clearly the choice to make.. oh wait.. never mind.
It really did suprise me when they went with GOA. Most of the people I played with even when Gareth came out and later when Bossiney was formed were Euro players that didn't want to deal with that.
I would have thought EA would have had things in place. UO always did well in the euro market after they had localized servers and is one of the few US games that did well in Asia (long before wow). I would have thought EA would have had better contacts.
I never played DaoC but followed the progress of war for over a year before its release.
I remember the hatred the european players had for GOA and the disappointment they expressed when Mythic announced that GOA would continue to represents them for warhammer's release.
Overall, I agree that EU WAR has lost a lot of players. At release, there were many servers that were high/high. Then it went med/high, then med/med, and now almost all of them low/low. The server I started Order on was Karak-Dron. I accepted the choice that Mythic-GoA made for me when they recommended a server. A month later, after finding it very frustrating to find any group at all, I decided to roll on what was the most populated EN server: Karak-Eight Peaks. It's got a better population, but it's not even close to the high/high it used to be. However the last time I checked, it doesn't seem to dip down to low/low.
I enjoy WAR though I don't get to play it often. I am worried that the EU population will dip so low that I'll be forced to get an American copy of the game if I want to continue to play. I think that GoA is doing a better job with WAR than they were with DAoC by far, but that's not saying much.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
The irritating thing is that you can't switch between EU and US servers like in a SOE game.
It is really no good reason for that (Both Funcom and Mythic said it was to maximise the fun for the player but we know that is BS).
It's not like that would cost them anything anyways, EU players would then still pay Goa and play on any server they want. The alternative is firing GOA and have someone competent to manage the servers or do both things.
I'm from Karag Dron too. Playing the magus Haud and I've enjoyed myself despite people saying it's a weak class.
Anyway, after I got 32 I can't do T3 scens anymore and have to wait for T4 which pops 1 time at most, with everyone else waiting 15min for a chance to get in on the next round. Come to think of it, I could probably name most of the people in T4 off the top of my head because I see the same 20 over and over again in Serpent's Passage. It gives the impression of a private little CS server or something.
...and I didn't even rush into T4. I play 3 to 4 hours a day, have 3 alts between 21-25 and 4 other alts between 15-19. Suffice to say it took a while to settle on Magus
Never mind i canceled subscription today. I can't even resub because GOA can't make account managment work after 2 months. Server transfers available end of this year? oh well good luck Mythic. I blame Mythic more than GOA. They should have known better after DAOC mess up.
Anyways, going to download WAR US version from EB. GOA and EU servers can go to hell for all i care. One lesson that i learned after playing LOTR and WAR is that no matter what happens. Never ever buy EU version of MMO. They will never learn how to treat there EU customer base.
Never mind i canceled subscription today. I can't even resub because GOA can't make account managment work after 2 months. Server transfers available end of this year? oh well good luck Mythic. I blame Mythic more than GOA. They should have known better after DAOC mess up. Anyways, going to download WAR US version from EB. GOA and EU servers can go to hell for all i care. One lesson that i learned after playing LOTR and WAR is that no matter what happens. Never ever buy EU version of MMO. They will never learn how to treat there EU customer base.
I also have to agree with above poster, so far out of all the EU subscription based games only warcraft has shown anything close to good customer support and keeping up with the US servers at the same time. Though i would like the option of being able to play on EU/US servers when i want (liek SoE). Plays bloody hell when one is doing shift work - 1-2 months on nights then reverse's to days (or random). EU servers are kinda dead at night (at these times i wonder why i bother paying to sit there and do sod all).
Still, WoW is the king, for the moment, you cannot deny that. I am just hopign someone, somewhere, very soon, release's a decent one at the right price, thats good enough to actually play and is run pretty well. I just fear that aint going to happen any time soon
I left Karag Dron a few weeks ago. I think it's worse on the Order side. I kid you not, even one month after release, the Dwarf starting area was empty. I was trying out an IB and found not one single other player and this was on a Saturday though not peak time. But still, it's very strange and very disturbing especially since Dwarves have the IB and RP: two popular Order classes. My main on Karag Dron is an AM and even still the High Elf area was pretty empty. It got worse and worse as I went from T1 to T2 and into the end of T2. I gave up on the server at the end of T2 when I was really struggling to find other people to group up with. The only viable playstyle on Karag Dron now imo is by scenario. Forget about doing PQs, forget about oRvR for leveling up.
Karag Eight Peaks is much much better. But still I think the population is a tad low especially in comparison to how things were at release. People actually do low level oRvR. I still get the impression that Eight Peaks is losing players which is very disturbing since it's probably the most populated European English server.
I so agree with the comment about Warcraft being the best game as far as making European players feel like equal customers. I wish we weren't segregated demographically, but at least I feel like a valued customer when I hit the suscribe button.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
The following statement by Mark Jacobs has surfaced over the weekend at the war alliance boards
Folks,
Let me make one thing clear from the contract:
GOA's level and quality of support must equal or exceed Mythic support
If they don't do that, the deal is off. Now, does that clear things up a bit?
Also, for those that are saying that GOA failed to bring lots of customers to the game, that is total nonsense. At its peak, DAoC subscribers in Europe dwarfed all the competition. Our numbers there (which at the time was a far less robust market than it is today) were better than we expected them to be. If GOA had handled Italy and other territories from the beginning, our numbers would have been even higher.
Again, I'm not saying that GOA was perfect, they weren't, Mythic wasn't perfect either. We both have learned a lot over the last 5 years and we expect to learn even more over the next two. We have contract language that assures that GOA's support and effort will not only be even better than last time but that it will have to be the equal or better than Mythic's support. If that isn't good enough for those that are complaining or worrying, than there is nothing more I or anyone can say that will change your mind. And when that happens, I will stop talking about it because it is pointless.
Mark
That really puts things in a different light. They can legally ditch GOA before WAR EU goes down the drain, but the question is will they do it? You'd think with the resources available from EA that we could get a proper distributor here too.
Not a chance, they'll never move over the entire game structure to another distributor now, it's too late. The bad press alone from weeks of downtime (most likely) would counter any benefit.
I agree, GOA is total crap, and I can't believe mythic went with them again. I can't blame EA on this one, I believe this deal was cemented prior to EA buying mythic.
It's far too late for them to switch over now.
GOA was crap back in the daoc days too..they were waaay behind on patch cycles, their servers got hacked all the time etc. and so on.
About a year before I stopped playing, a LOT of the italians had moved over to US servers, even the non-english speaking ones, because they hated the EU servers so much.
If any EU guys want to try a US RP server, we have quite a few EU guys in our guild on Phoenix Throne Destro side.
Check out our website at: www.warhammerdestruction.org We'll gladly take in any refugee's from GOA to fill out our EU timeslots!
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Opened a US account today (downloaded/purchased the client from EB Games). Already the difference is noticeable. I should've known better, after hearing all the bad reports in regards to EU DAOC.
Expensive mistake
WAR EU died the day they announced that GOA was going to publish it.
Yup, I resubbed wow yesterday. EU has a billion too many servers and GOA / Mythic couldn't give a f**k about the European customer base.
The only High/med server I saw was a french one i think.
I might pop back one day and see how things progress.
Opened a US account today (downloaded/purchased the client from EB Games). Already the difference is noticeable. I should've known better, after hearing all the bad reports in regards to EU DAOC.
Expensive mistake
How did you do that? i am in Europe and its clearly written in red on EB games.
The download version of this product is not eligible for refunds. This product is only available for purchase in the United States, Canada and Mexico. A monthly fee is required to play.
Opened a US account today (downloaded/purchased the client from EB Games). Already the difference is noticeable. I should've known better, after hearing all the bad reports in regards to EU DAOC.
Expensive mistake
How did you do that? i am in Europe and its clearly written in red on EB games.
The download version of this product is not eligible for refunds. This product is only available for purchase in the United States, Canada and Mexico. A monthly fee is required to play.
They block your IP by country , unfortunately.
Download the trial of hide-my-ip 2008 - www.hide-my-ip.com/ which will mask your current IP address and replace it with a random American one.
Just go through the usual purchase procedures (the pages will load VERY slow while masking your IP) and confirm your order (only click once, takes a while to go trhough). When you reach the download page, close hide-my-ip (or just remove it from your computer) and download the game. Took me about 8 hours or so with a 4mb connection. They'll then send you your cd-key by the email you selected.
Funnily enough, EB don't seem to care any about the country of origin your Credit Card beongs to, and neither do Mythic when it comes to your subscription. In fact, its easier setting up an account for the US than it is with GOA
Edit - now a lvl 7 Squig Herder on Red Eye Mountain
Yesterday I was killing zombies in chapter 14 (order) all alone... no one even close... I stare at them, then I stopped the slaughter. I went to a nearby mirror, look my face... I WAS ONE OF THEM. Killing 100 zombies because there are no group, no people for the PQs makes you another one, it is ridiculous, it's not a pleasure, it's a pain. Logged off of course, I play for fun, not for that. Scenarios, well, wait your 30 minutes, play that unreal clone, look what miserable amount your bars level, do it again, kill zombies or whatever the first stage of the PQ is (dont even dream doing the second or even third stage).
Dying... of course. No wonder why... (no economy, useless crafting, empty PQs, scenario mindless grind, empty/meaningles RvR, unrewarding quests...).
I think level 30 is enough of this. Enjoyed the firsts levels though, but lately this is going terrible. At least in Spanish servers, people are quitting massively seems. But just is only my opinion.
This dude is just a random troll. We in the EU got our patches usualy 1-2 day after the US, but I have to agree the hype for this game is going down fast, there are more low/low server than mid/high.
EU is alive.
But it deps what server. Karak-hirn is certainl;y not dead.
The challenge at the moment on healthy servers is that tier 4 city taking takes a lot of cooperation by the guilds on each side and atm that isnt happening. It seems that larger guilds have a harder time levelling their guild rank - this makes smaller guilds look ideal, players need to employ few if any social / grouping / team building skills to level up or do mainstream/scenatio based RvR.
So you have the end game requiring a lot of inter guild cooperation and rest of the game positively rewarding/geared t o very little.
Scenarios running - even with relatively low renoun gains - are engrained in players heads by the time they hit rank 40 - so they easily continue to grind them for renou gain - when if they were not available at rank 40 (or limitied) players would be oushed into open rvr (sieges) to get renoun ranks up.
With tier 4 activity more likely to follow a zerg approach where keeps are taken one area retaken another - ad infinitum - this essentially prevents a siege on opposing capital because the see saw effect pervades.
Again encouraging little coperation earlier in the game doesnt help GMs organise a more coherent faction approach to put real pressure on opposing sides city.
Little benefit in real terms afforded to successful guilds. You can pay a lot of gold a day to own a keep but it gives minimal benefits versus the huge hit on ranking speed larger guilds seem to incur. small guild ranks fast er but cost is prohibitive, larger guild can make the gold (but its still not easy) to own a keep but gets little benefit from doing so.
All thi s aside, the game is good - i dont buy the class imbalance stuff - thats just people too lazy to learn what classes they should face off against and too lazy to orgaise a reasonably balanced team and develop some tactics (rathert thna just turn up and zerg and hope for the best or expect 1v1 pvp against any class to be a fair fight)
Any mmog has a number of people that burn up the ranks then wonder what there is t do until more join them, andy new mmog faces some bugs and balancing issues/gameplay changes as the developers mould the game.
But to me at tier 4 Mythic have to look at scenarios (limit them) work out how to help guild leaders get guilds organised fr or oppsing city capture and educate the players (instead ) of beinfg secretative about it, introduce some elements that reward organised teamplay better at the lower ranks, merge some servers because some are very poorly ppulated and that just going to turn off a percentage of players.
I expect the end game to come and liven up a lot over the next six weeks but it will be a shame if a lot of good people leave. That being said there are a lot of particualrly poor players (in terms of ability to organise/ willingness to sacrifice something for team work / communication etc) who i would welcome leaving.
WAR is a good game- but you wnt to pick certain servers if you are playing in the eu and be prepared to work at teamwork/relationshps if you want to achieve in the end game.
the most i've seen over here in the united states are servers with medium population on both sides at best. even then, those servers are lacking in any action. too many people are tucked away in scenarios and aren't even trying to partake in any world rvr.
the server my toons are on is praag. even though it's an open rvr server, the rvr is very passive. most of the time i'm trying to chase down some order toons, they run from me even though they're sometimes of equal level, root me, run some more, i catch up, try to engage in some ganking, and it all repeats itself. maybe one out of ten i would get somebody who'd actually fight back. sometimes i'd win. sometimes i'd lose. all in all, i was happy to have fought somebody that actually fought back, or vice versa.
when an rvr warband is formed, it all turns into a giant stare down across camps with the ranged toons lobbing crap our way, our ranged toons lobbing crap their way, and that's about as *exciting* as it gets. even the rvr geared guild i was apart of would mostly organize scenario groups, which i was/am strongly opposed to.
i really wanted to like this game. i gave it a month. i usually don't give games i'm struggling to like, that much time. i've gone the route of uninstalling this game and won't touch it ever again. why do i come to this forum if i dislike the game so much? well, it's because i enjoy what many of the regulars here have to type. even the trolls are entertaining.
for those in real rvr guilds, good for you. even more power to you all that you're having fun playing.
GOA was a bad choice by Mythic. With their delayed patches and still no announced server transfers.
Their 'translation takes time' excuse is getting old. Lot of hotfixes barely need translation. But still get delayed way too long.
Ive been playing a singleplayer game with my Black Orc on Tor Anroc server. My sub has been cancelled and I will only resub if they announce servertransfers before it runs out. But I dont really expect them anymore this month.
Thanks for the heads up, i will let my m8 know to hold off buying this game at the moment (he wouldnt listen to me with my concerns).
Its also true that GOA are that slow at releasing updates as they want to get all languages translated 1st (usually the French servers are done firstly too) followed by the rest. The english servers usually have problems because they dont even look at that patch as they expect it fully working (which then has problems for a week till they fix it). They have been known to fall 6+ months behind the US (with Daoc) was the main reason i quit that game and never went back after over a year of playing it.
I held off this game for 2 reasons, 1-monthly price - I had concerns at their monthly price for the EU, of around the £12.50 including vat, as opposed to all the other games (SoE = £9.49 and any server be it EU or US to choose from, all the others are £8.99 but only have the EU choice, thats also including vat). Unless you found someone willing to pay for your account in the US (or vice versa) and you purchased that particular copy. To me, this says, we do it that way, we make more money as they will purchase 2 game copies. Thats the real reason they do it this way all other reasons are utter BS. Then we have number 2 - GoA running the servers.
I know how they ran things, i also know they promised to run warhammer alot better (ye right) i thought i would read, watch, wait and see. Major big EU feckups before the game went live showed my concerns to be running as expected, things really do not seem as if they have gotten better. I also predicted with that pricetag, if this game did not have a good start in the EU it would fail, it would not fail in the US, so far i am running correctly to my prediction too. I really was hoping i was wrong, but if the game relies on plenty of players to play the game, then it does sound like a failure.
My mate will probably still more than likely purchase the game (but not for a month or so), when he does i will more than likely have a play, but i doubt i will fork out that pricetag as i just cannot see it being the dogs bollocks of all online mmo's that would warrent the price they are charging. In fact i am hearing that WoW owns WaR hands down, the only problem is WoW has become boring and old, unfortunatly there still is nothing around that can beat it (yet). Tabula rasa=fail, EQ2=fail, Vanguard= Epic fail (i also gave this 2 chances from there 3 or 4 comeback trials) i took the 1st 2 comback trials and nothing had changed except server populations, i however have not taken the last 1 or 2 comeback trials they have had/done. Lotro= an ok'ish game, but once you hit max lvl game over re-roll another toon and start over, would probably have gone for it but i aint paying a subscription that is equal to /or more than warcraft. not for a game thats there to just knock in a month here or there whilst waiting/taking a break from the main online subscription based game you play. AoC i never touched (bad reports about it that are still very much ongoing), you can also tell from news posts from the company that its failing/not doing as well as expected. PoTbS=epic fail.
When I saw this thread I personally thought its not doing as well as it should in either market.
However, to stay on track ya GOA... they did so well with DAoC it was clearly the choice to make.. oh wait.. never mind.
It really did suprise me when they went with GOA. Most of the people I played with even when Gareth came out and later when Bossiney was formed were Euro players that didn't want to deal with that.
I would have thought EA would have had things in place. UO always did well in the euro market after they had localized servers and is one of the few US games that did well in Asia (long before wow). I would have thought EA would have had better contacts.
I never played DaoC but followed the progress of war for over a year before its release.
I remember the hatred the european players had for GOA and the disappointment they expressed when Mythic announced that GOA would continue to represents them for warhammer's release.
EU/EN Eltharion (Open RvR) has a decent player pop.
www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php
Overall, I agree that EU WAR has lost a lot of players. At release, there were many servers that were high/high. Then it went med/high, then med/med, and now almost all of them low/low. The server I started Order on was Karak-Dron. I accepted the choice that Mythic-GoA made for me when they recommended a server. A month later, after finding it very frustrating to find any group at all, I decided to roll on what was the most populated EN server: Karak-Eight Peaks. It's got a better population, but it's not even close to the high/high it used to be. However the last time I checked, it doesn't seem to dip down to low/low.
I enjoy WAR though I don't get to play it often. I am worried that the EU population will dip so low that I'll be forced to get an American copy of the game if I want to continue to play. I think that GoA is doing a better job with WAR than they were with DAoC by far, but that's not saying much.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
The irritating thing is that you can't switch between EU and US servers like in a SOE game.
It is really no good reason for that (Both Funcom and Mythic said it was to maximise the fun for the player but we know that is BS).
It's not like that would cost them anything anyways, EU players would then still pay Goa and play on any server they want. The alternative is firing GOA and have someone competent to manage the servers or do both things.
I'm from Karag Dron too. Playing the magus Haud and I've enjoyed myself despite people saying it's a weak class.
Anyway, after I got 32 I can't do T3 scens anymore and have to wait for T4 which pops 1 time at most, with everyone else waiting 15min for a chance to get in on the next round. Come to think of it, I could probably name most of the people in T4 off the top of my head because I see the same 20 over and over again in Serpent's Passage. It gives the impression of a private little CS server or something.
...and I didn't even rush into T4. I play 3 to 4 hours a day, have 3 alts between 21-25 and 4 other alts between 15-19. Suffice to say it took a while to settle on Magus
Well GOA did it again!
1. They have no clue how to come up with Server Transfers. While US is already finished with it.
2. They are now a week behind with much needed hotfixes!
3. We can only dream of having a PTS.
4. We still have no WAR realm pages nor Server Status pages.
And as off today:
Their account center is going haywire again. People can't login to the game nor able to create a subscription at all!
Cheers
Never mind i canceled subscription today. I can't even resub because GOA can't make account managment work after 2 months. Server transfers available end of this year? oh well good luck Mythic. I blame Mythic more than GOA. They should have known better after DAOC mess up.
Anyways, going to download WAR US version from EB. GOA and EU servers can go to hell for all i care. One lesson that i learned after playing LOTR and WAR is that no matter what happens. Never ever buy EU version of MMO. They will never learn how to treat there EU customer base.
with the exception of WoW.
I also have to agree with above poster, so far out of all the EU subscription based games only warcraft has shown anything close to good customer support and keeping up with the US servers at the same time. Though i would like the option of being able to play on EU/US servers when i want (liek SoE). Plays bloody hell when one is doing shift work - 1-2 months on nights then reverse's to days (or random). EU servers are kinda dead at night (at these times i wonder why i bother paying to sit there and do sod all).
Still, WoW is the king, for the moment, you cannot deny that. I am just hopign someone, somewhere, very soon, release's a decent one at the right price, thats good enough to actually play and is run pretty well. I just fear that aint going to happen any time soon
Oops, I guess I misspelled Karag.
I left Karag Dron a few weeks ago. I think it's worse on the Order side. I kid you not, even one month after release, the Dwarf starting area was empty. I was trying out an IB and found not one single other player and this was on a Saturday though not peak time. But still, it's very strange and very disturbing especially since Dwarves have the IB and RP: two popular Order classes. My main on Karag Dron is an AM and even still the High Elf area was pretty empty. It got worse and worse as I went from T1 to T2 and into the end of T2. I gave up on the server at the end of T2 when I was really struggling to find other people to group up with. The only viable playstyle on Karag Dron now imo is by scenario. Forget about doing PQs, forget about oRvR for leveling up.
Karag Eight Peaks is much much better. But still I think the population is a tad low especially in comparison to how things were at release. People actually do low level oRvR. I still get the impression that Eight Peaks is losing players which is very disturbing since it's probably the most populated European English server.
I so agree with the comment about Warcraft being the best game as far as making European players feel like equal customers. I wish we weren't segregated demographically, but at least I feel like a valued customer when I hit the suscribe button.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
The following statement by Mark Jacobs has surfaced over the weekend at the war alliance boards
That really puts things in a different light. They can legally ditch GOA before WAR EU goes down the drain, but the question is will they do it? You'd think with the resources available from EA that we could get a proper distributor here too.Not a chance, they'll never move over the entire game structure to another distributor now, it's too late. The bad press alone from weeks of downtime (most likely) would counter any benefit.
I agree, GOA is total crap, and I can't believe mythic went with them again. I can't blame EA on this one, I believe this deal was cemented prior to EA buying mythic.
It's far too late for them to switch over now.
GOA was crap back in the daoc days too..they were waaay behind on patch cycles, their servers got hacked all the time etc. and so on.
About a year before I stopped playing, a LOT of the italians had moved over to US servers, even the non-english speaking ones, because they hated the EU servers so much.
If any EU guys want to try a US RP server, we have quite a few EU guys in our guild on Phoenix Throne Destro side.
Check out our website at: www.warhammerdestruction.org
We'll gladly take in any refugee's from GOA to fill out our EU timeslots!
Tell them Zemok sent you.