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Star Wars Galaxies: Tips for Returning Vets
Stradden
Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696
Our new Star Wars Galaxies Correspondent writes this short article giving a few play tips for players who may have left the game and are planning a return.
"Even though you played SWG, you are not a vet of the game you just joined"
I always said that if I wrote a guide for returning 'vets', that would be my first sentence. If you can't get past that point, then frankly, you should not even attempt to play again. This is not the SWG you knew. Sure there are remnants of the past; your city may still be there, heck, maybe even your old house. You'll probably even find some old acquaintances traipsing around the star ports if you're lucky. However, what you used to know, what you used to own, where you used to group, and more importantly your reputation is irrelevant now.
SWG is in its fourth iteration: Pre-CU, CU, NGE, & Post-NGE. There are specific milestones between NGE and post-NGE, namely chapter 6 and game update 4 - Ch. 6 increased NPC difficulty to promote grouping and GU4 marked the final balance pass and update of all profession expertise systems. So for those of you, and I know who you are, who complain and gripe about how terrible the NGE was, realize that like Pre-CU, the NGE does not exist as you knew it.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
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What a bunch of lying hell that is.
SOE is not allowing me to play the game for free. Just because of the forum nazi move on their part which had me game banned for 22 months ,I was allow to return to the game on my dime . I tried the game for two months and found it to be the abomination as declared by over 200k other players.
I will not pay for another month of SWG-NGE post or whatever SOE wants to call it when other vets are getting the game for free.
Word has it that the game is on life support anyway. The game is unplayable and unwanted ...pull the plug and make way for the TOR.
Get back to Work on DCUO , SOE Austin. But make it good. Your Company best not screw up that franchise.
( I am amazed the DC took leap of faith of partnering with SOE after the EPIC FAIL with the Star Wars Franchise - We await the results of this union with a well earned critical eye)
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I've been trying it out since they offered this free month, but I'm having quite some problems.
I made all UI changes to make it more friendly, and started my lagacy quests to lvl my BM pet. I'm lvl 85 and tried the Azura first quest. Requires me to kill azura members and leads me to a small compound with lvl 91 NPCs. I can't pass them, nor kill them. Inside there is ppl afk, so none to party with. Am I lost?
So I went to Kill beetles on Mustafar. Destroyed a nest and got about 4 beetles on me. POU, incap. Get up, use heal, they re-aggro. POU, dead.
I feel like a noob, and that's not bad, but I don't see what I can solo there anymore. My gear sucks, I respec to medic since BH BM wasn't getting me far alive, but I didn't gain much so far. Not on qhat concerns quests that seem are solo, but are not soloable. And my server is quite dead, plus my prime time in europe and me beeing on a USA server (there wasn't european ones when the game launched) aren't helping.
Any advices here would be welcome.
Seriously,
To me it seems you are THE All Time SOE hater! So why even posting here?
Appearently you got so mentally insane on the SOE forums to deserve a whole 22 months ban!
I have placed some constructive critism with an emotional string attached on the SOE forums before and never have been warned nor banned for it. Ever!
So to receive a 22 month ban means you went out of line BIG time!
So no one really cares about what you appearently have to say. Wich is basically nothing, then the usual RANT at SOE like so many of you Pro SOE haters!
It's becoming old really. So old that you guys are becoming so sad, you might want to start thinking about looking for a shrink and get some serious help!
Cheers
Trust me when I say, as a fellow Kauri player, going back will simply make you sad. I tried it again over the free month this last summer, and while finding the same old bugs and crappy systems that were in place when the NGE launched, what I didn't find was any sign of life. I searched the entire galaxy for life at prime time and found 5 people total, 4 of them afk.
Trust me, the best tip for a returning SWG vet is dont.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Seriously,
To me it seems you are THE All Time SOE hater! So why even posting here?
Appearently you got so mentally insane on the SOE forums to deserve a whole 22 months ban!
I have placed some constructive critism with an emotional string attached on the SOE forums before and never have been warned nor banned for it. Ever!
So to receive a 22 month ban means you went out of line BIG time!
So no one really cares about what you appearently have to say. Wich is basically nothing, then the usual RANT at SOE like so many of you Pro SOE haters!
It's becoming old really. So old that you guys are becoming so sad, you might want to start thinking about looking for a shrink and get some serious help!
Cheers
I think you are the one out of line here, not him. Unlike you, he has a reason for his aggression towards SOE. Saying he needs to get a shrink for bashing an MMO company he doesn't like on a MMO forum? That is what I would expect.
So, he has a reason. What explains your aggression towards him?
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Seriously,
To me it seems you are THE All Time SOE hater! So why even posting here?
Appearently you got so mentally insane on the SOE forums to deserve a whole 22 months ban!
I have placed some constructive critism with an emotional string attached on the SOE forums before and never have been warned nor banned for it. Ever!
So to receive a 22 month ban means you went out of line BIG time!
So no one really cares about what you appearently have to say. Wich is basically nothing, then the usual RANT at SOE like so many of you Pro SOE haters!
It's becoming old really. So old that you guys are becoming so sad, you might want to start thinking about looking for a shrink and get some serious help!
Cheers
I think you are the one out of line here, not him. Unlike you, he has a reason for his aggression towards SOE. Saying he needs to get a shrink for bashing an MMO company he doesn't like on a MMO forum? That is what I would expect.
So, he has a reason. What explains your aggression towards him?
Thanks Dal.
As far as me going out of line Big time is truly debatable to the point that I can say that the decision has unjustly applied. In case you don't know of the roleplaying gems that got me banned , please read my blog here or on MySpace.
I have more right to take my position about SOE and SWG then you could ever have a postion against me for doing so as Dal has already explained.
I plan to be just as criticial of SOE as they were of me - all things being equal.
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I'll stick with my resolution -- never giving SOE a dime. Nor the population number support they'd get from me coming back for a month. But enjoy! Each to his own.
Shava
I don't care who is right and who is wrong.
What I do care about is that I am getting fed up that litterly EVERY article or post about ANY of SOE games is constantly being hijacked and bashed by old SWG vets!
It's getting old and it's getting sad! As how long since the NGE hit the SWG live servers? Over 4 years ago already?
I am a SWG vet myself! I hate SOE just as much for what they have done to maybe the best sandbox MMORPG ever!
But you know what? After about a year after the NGE and actually enjoying EverQuest2 I gave up on hating and moved on.
I played so many MMO's since then... and I have seen so many MMO's with potential failing misserably and going down the drain! Hurting the MMO industry more then SOE ever did with the NGE...
... that I come to think that SOE isn't all that bad afterall. Even tho they royally fucked up with the NGE update on SWG!
Cheers
Still seeing no mention of bringing back Bio engineers or Doctors
For me, just the thought of returning to SWG just makes me sick! And I really mean it! After 3 years in that game, with hundreds of hours spent on it, I simply cant stand the game anymore, since my relationship to it levels the same you could have with a cheating ex-girlfriend! Not good!
Which is very sad!
SWG had everything! A good story, a good technical platform, immersion, possibility of going deep into the game with specializing, A very well made crafting system, a very well made combat system, Lots of characters/classes with depht, a working goal! Something different then just killing another high ranking mob! Posibillity of achieving something! JEDI! A thorougly done PvP system, A thoroughly done PvE system etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. To sum it up: the game had a bright future!
Until the NGE.
The technical platform changed. Including the combat system! Now it was all twitch/FPS. Crafting system went to hell. And with no decay no need to craft. Game and Class immersion and depth dissapeared. Jedi got a all-round standard! Classes got removed and simplified. There are so many other things too, most I have thankfully forgotten. Except for one thing: my hate towards SOE who had ruined my gaming experience! After 3 years with god know how many hours spend there - more hours then which is good for me...many days with 17 hours while getting my jedi - I simply cant return! I have done it a few times, but I stopped doing that when I was close to throwing up!
HOW CAN I RETURN TO SOMEONE WHO BETRAYED ME?? SOMEONE WHO DID NOT LISTEN TO ME , MY FRIENDS, AND FELLOW PLAYERS WHO SAID THAT THIS WAS REALLY BAD FOR THE GAME??? HECK! THEY EVEN BANNED US INSTEAD OF TAKING THE BLOODY DISCUSSION!!
They could throw a year free subscription my way, I would not even log in to the game! Its dead! Call it whatever you like NGE II; im permanently gone!
SWG is dead! However the wound is still there! And its deep! The money is not a object, but my investment in that game is! Or, should I say was! Thankfully I found solace in CCP's EVE ONLINE. At least those devs knows how to listen, and how to treat their fellow gamers! I have been there for three years now, and there are no NGE to be seen on the horizon in that game!
So thanks for me.
What I want to know is why MMORPG.com did this article in the first place? Was the post count getting low? Not enough anger in the forums lately? Seriously... talk about stirring the pot. An article on SWG with a title like this one was guaranteed to start a massive flame war.
I don't care who is right and who is wrong.
What I do care about is that I am getting fed up that litterly EVERY article or post about ANY of SOE games is constantly being hijacked and bashed by old SWG vets!
It's getting old and it's getting sad! As how long since the NGE hit the SWG live servers? Over 4 years ago already?
I am a SWG vet myself! I hate SOE just as much for what they have done to maybe the best sandbox MMORPG ever!
But you know what? After about a year after the NGE and actually enjoying EverQuest2 I gave up on hating and moved on.
I played so many MMO's since then... and I have seen so many MMO's with potential failing misserably and going down the drain! Hurting the MMO industry more then SOE ever did with the NGE...
... that I come to think that SOE isn't all that bad afterall. Even tho they royally fucked up with the NGE update on SWG!
Cheers
I know what your saying here I'm a vet myself. A lot of posts on articles about SWG are only placed there to do one thing and thats to undermine the article, but sometimes a flame post is warranted, as an example this very thread...of course its going to be slammed, it's aimed directly at the vet community.....which makes it an instant no holds barred flamathon.
*sits back with popcorn*
Great article! I'll pass it on to my sister who's returning in time for Hoth. Good times.
I agree to a point. I got angry when they destroyed the game I bought, but I found other places to play.
However - what they did was so wrong on so many levels, I don't begrudge people who're still angry. As far as I'm concerned, really, I'll quietly cheer them on when I see them bash SOE. They don't really deserve to have it neither forgotten, nor forgiven. Hopefully, it'll keep both them and other companies from even considering going so thoroughly against the wishes of their existing fan-base in some vague attempt at getting a new one.
And no, that's not another bash, I don't care about them, anymore. But I always worry that someone else might pull a stunt like it, and ruin a game I enjoy in the future - seeing as they proved beyond a doubt that we as gamers have no rights other than to pay and take what ever they see fit to give us. As long as the SWG vets bash SOE, I don't see that happening again
"So I contend that the player stories will always be more powerful than the scripted stories that we try to tell the players."
- Will Wright
Whoa buddy !
Lots of comments but not many on target. Contrary to what some may think, vets ARE returning, even without the "free" incentive. I've been around long enough to have a rather huge friends list; All the guys I knew before often ping me and ask for assistance getting back into the 'groove'. There is so much to re-learn that even this article is just the tip of the iceberg. But, that's a good thing, right? More content is what we always wanted.
Its not the SWG you knew and frankly, its not the SOE you knew. Relatively speaking, they've been good about listening to the playerbase. . . just look at the new tweaks to BH and Medic currently on deck.
Anyway, for those that do choose to revisit SWG, I hope this article gets you started and oriented in the right direction. Oh, one thing I forgot to mention in that article is that there ARE dead servers - many have already transferred to the larger servers such as Starsider, Bria, Bloodfin, Chilastra, etc. Early 09 brings free server transfers . . .
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
I don't care who is right and who is wrong.
What I do care about is that I am getting fed up that litterly EVERY article or post about ANY of SOE games is constantly being hijacked and bashed by old SWG vets!
It's getting old and it's getting sad! As how long since the NGE hit the SWG live servers? Over 4 years ago already?
I am a SWG vet myself! I hate SOE just as much for what they have done to maybe the best sandbox MMORPG ever!
But you know what? After about a year after the NGE and actually enjoying EverQuest2 I gave up on hating and moved on.
I played so many MMO's since then... and I have seen so many MMO's with potential failing misserably and going down the drain! Hurting the MMO industry more then SOE ever did with the NGE...
... that I come to think that SOE isn't all that bad afterall. Even tho they royally fucked up with the NGE update on SWG!
Cheers
I am not here for a popularity contest but if you think that I am going to stop just because you or anyone else thinks it's getting "Old" then you are sorely mistaken.
My resolve is stronger then that . Deal with it and keep your Jestor hater thoughts to yourself or I will reply.
Cheers
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Good first pass on a Returning Vet Guide,
For End Game content, I will expand:
"Now what?
So there you are. You've picked a new profession, reset your targeting UI, found the crowd, and got up to level 90 - what do you do now? Here's just some of the things you need to do:
-"Get your rank to General in the GCW" The benefit of GCW rank are many fold but each officer rank provides special self buffs that effect you and your local faction group.
-"Get enough commendations in Restuss to 'buy' factional Spec Ops armor" Unique looking but with the changes to Armor crafting makes it obsolete to crafted. Its not a total loss, however, because soon this armor should be Deconstructable to be made better based on that servers resources.
-"Complete the revamped Factional Theme parks" Again, the Armor reward is marginal but soon should be Deconstructable for improvment. Both faction themeparks have been expanded to End game level content. Mission also have you journey to distant location instead of run out x meters and kill.
-"Acquire the Meditate ability - its not just for JedI" Meditate only self buffs the Jedi Profession but the animation or stance becomes available to any owner. Getting the Collection is a super tough grind unless you can aford to buy them on the bazaar.
-"If you're Jedi, get the new cloak and the 5th generation saber" These cloaks are the NGE Jedi answer to the Elder Robe, different but on par. Elders like these robes also because it allows them some room to customize thier suits with the new RE mod system. Getting the 7 requirements is another story, however, Many can get the 5th gen sabers and Meditative state Collections. Many can easily conquor the 2 Jedi but getting the Sith Holo 4/5 for waist pack is the real test of patients. There is some small trick to looting this but no one will say. Some players have gone 6 months and still have not looted it with normal 3 hour average a day game play. I ain't got one, yet.
-"Get your Heroic Jewellery sets by defeating Exar Kun, The Tuskan King, IG-88, Axkva Min, and the ISD Admiral - five times each." Each profession has 3 different sets avaible to them. You pick the set best suits your Expertiese or build and collect towards that. I know many who run Heroic Encounters to get all 3 for that given toon so they can change builds in future. Many find these jewelery sets highly valuable for PVP. But there is the rub, many don't like they have to PVE to PVP effectively.
I will also add: If your returning vet, dont be in love with your server. Search out the forums for the most acitive servers and log in there. In 2009, we will have a house pack up and Free Character Transfer System event. If your main is on a dead server, move and find a new home. Bria, Bloodfin and Starsider have been noted as the highest pop servers in the game. Ahazi has fallen to about 5th in pop but is still very active with PVP in Restuss daily at peak hours.
. . .and there you are folks! A preview to some of my future articles!
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
1st tip for those who returning to SWG:
DO NOT RETURN!
rofl. Perhaps my first tip should have been "don't listen to jaded vets"
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rofl. Perhaps my first tip should have been "don't listen to jaded vets"
Jaded? Thoroughly disgusted maybe. Sad too, the servers are so empty it is pathetic. Why return to an empty game. They still have do not have equipment degradation, so pretty meaningless to play a trade person.
You want to hear the absurd, my main was a creature handler, with a lot in rifle and healing skills, fully maxed out in skills. Do you know what he converts to? A level 40 something medic. So much for your level 80 nonsense. He can't even equip a rifle anymore nor any of the armor and I had all sorts of armor, light, medium, heavy. Not one item. You can spend eons searching the planets for an actual live vendor, they are extremely few and far between. There is little reason for anyone to make a trade person anymore.
SWG is so broken it is unfixable. The only people playing now are a few kids with their light sabers running around playing jedi.
The only thing they did not change was space, only reason I still log in occassionally and even on one of the most populous servers I don't always find others to play with.
So thanks for the laugh, that is about all your article was good for.
Thanks for the article. I would still like to see a precu server made by SOE or someone else, but in lieu of this I think the article is helpful.
I recently got the free month, but WOW expansion just launched and LOTRO expansion on the way. It's a busy time.
The game is tight, well programmed. Not as free as it used to be now that you're funneled into a profession - but they allow customization in the details of the profession. I used to like being able to train anything at all, but most people made templates the same anyway.
I agree with whoever said vets are returning - they are. Really old vets too. They prob burnt out of WoW and a few others and are looking up that old flame. It doesn't feel as full as it used too (by far on some servers)
I don't get the SOE haters. Even toddlers cry less about their toys.
Err, ok I am puzzled about two things.
One, what about this new cloak? Where does the quest start or who drops that thing?
Same to the 5th gen sabre, where does it come from?
Thx.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Things are looking better for this game. I'm looking forward to the Hoth content just to sample it with my free month. The improved crafting sounds good with more reliance on player crafted goods. And lastly the character tranfers(Improved) for free from the low to high pop servers will be a good thing. So we'll see if SOE can't revive this game.
See
forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m
or copy and paste the link.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?topic_id=774659