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Haplov
Member Posts: 27
Hi there. I've only made like 1 or 2 posts on this board before (to help answer a question for someone) but I usually watch this site once or twice a day.
I just wanted to point out what I've seen over the last couple weeks as the release dates to WoW and EQ2 get closer and closer.
Reading in both forums (I'm interested in checking out both games) I've noticed that there seems to be a large amount of WoW fans comming into the EQ2 forums and bashing the game or starting flame wars or just arguing for the simple fact that they want to argue.
On the other hand when I read the WoW forums there are not near as many EQ2 fans going in there and trying to bash thier game. Granted I have seen a few of these posts, but nothing compared to the ammount stated previously.
I think this shows a great deal about the maturity level of the players in both games, and that makes me lean towards EQ2 just for the simple reason that I've played games where kids run around rampant kill stealing, ninja looting, and screaming "I pwn joo!" to thier hearts content.
All that being said, I'll sit back and prepare to read all your thoughts on this matter.
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These forums are not an accurate cross section of the people who will buy these games...
The idea that anyone can truly get a feel for the community of a games maturity is preposterous. There will be many thousands of people playing these 2 games. Relatively few post on these forums.
Every game has its immature players and I dont think EQ2 or WOW will have any shortage.
ROLEPLAYERS UNITE!!!!!
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I think I've read in a number of places that typically only a small percentage of the playerbase of any game ever bother to post...I believe the percentage is around 5%.
So, as for maturity level between the two games it's really hard to determine since it's the fanbois and hardcore types who do most of the posting.
And if you look closely at Wolf's pics that he posted, there is someone in the Qeynos Crusader chat channel saying 'selling stuff, buy prz'. So don't go jumping the gun. The maturity/stupidity level in EQ2 will be no different than it is in WoW.
And age does not equal maturity, either. There was a 15 year old kid in my guild in EQ that was more mature than many people twice his age. And I've seen people better than 3 times his age act half his age, so not everyone being a putz is automatically some preteen with severe hormonal imbalance and homicidal tendencies.
At 32 I have plenty of homicidal tendencies left in me
I completely agree with ya there Coldmeat. Age has nothing to do with a person's maturity level.
""I think this shows a great deal about the maturity level of the players in both games, and that makes me lean towards EQ2 just for the simple reason that I've played games where kids run around rampant kill stealing, ninja looting, and screaming "I pwn joo!" to thier hearts content.""
Haplov, i TOTALY agree with you. I just can't play with kids, their too immatures, so WoW is out of the question for me!
I know some folk from the EQ2 beta test and they all told me it was awsome. All it needed was a little more work, that's it.
So all of you WoW kid fans, if you're only here to insult a game for no reason, i suggest you to leave our EQ2 boards please.
Thanks
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Waiting on : TBD
Best MMORPGs played : EQ, FFXI
I find this post rather ironic in a thread about maturity.
I agree, I know that I have made some immature posts in the post 2 days but its cause I have been in a bad mood lately and fighting with my dad. But it does seem like more mature ppl will be going to EQ2.
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Why do people keep assuming?
There is no proof that a certain age demographic plays one game over another. Most statistics are pulled out of the air with no actual evidence to back them up. I am 30 and most of the gamers I know are either late 20 s or older.
Most kids cant afford a monthly subscription type game and most high school or college students have more important things to spend their money on than game subscriptions. I would have to say the number of gamers is higher amongst us old fogies who have a lot of free time and the extra cash to afford these luxuries.
I say as long as there is a monthly fee for both games the same age groups will play both.
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Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I know alot of high school kids that play. I am a freshman my self and I know about 10 ppl who play mmorpgs. But who knows how many more do play, for I have not talked to them. Most kids just have their parents pay for the subscriptions. And high schoolers that play mmorpgs doesnt mean they dont have a life. I play because I live 30 miles out of town and have nothing better to on school nights.
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I dont know what your parents do for a living but I never could have talked mine into buying me a 50 dollar game and then agreeing to pay 15 bucks a month for me to play it over the internet that they are already paying monthly for.
I just dont think its as common as some people would like you to believe. I think a lot of the free net kids will not have the cash to play nor are their parents going to foot the bill.
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Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I pay for the game, my mom pays for the montly subscrition. Every kid that plays mmorpgs that I know has their parents pay for the subs. except a couple.And I dont live in a rich area. Having my mom pay for my game subscriptions is like an allowance for me.
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I know alot of high school kids that play. I am a freshman my self and I know about 10 ppl who play mmorpgs. But who knows how many more do play, for I have not talked to them. Most kids just have their parents pay for the subscriptions. And high schoolers that play mmorpgs doesnt mean they dont have a life. I play because I live 30 miles out of town and have nothing better to on school nights.
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EQ2 Qeynos Guild- http://www.imperium-arcanum.com
A freshman? Shouldn't you be out doing something illegal? Drinking, fighting, screwing?
Something other than sitting indoors playing an MMO? It's one thing after you've turned 30, and have a kid, and your life is pretty much over, but the waiting to die. But you, you're still young. Go do something stupid that you can look back on, and laugh about in 15 years.
You would be surprised how many parents use games both console and pc, as daycare/nightcare.
I know my ex-wife does.
A freshman? Shouldn't you be out doing something illegal? Drinking, fighting, screwing?
Something other than sitting indoors playing an MMO? It's one thing after you've turned 30, and have a kid, and your life is pretty much over, but the waiting to die. But you, you're still young. Go do something stupid that you can look back on, and laugh about in 15 years.
Lol I do, its just I get bored when I have to visit my dad in another town. So I am 100 miles away from my friends on weekends.
So mmorpgs is what I do when im at my dads or am at home on school nights. Which is 80% of the time. Why do parents have to get divorces and fuck my social life?????
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LOL divorced once myself and never quite thought of it like that but it does ring true.
Anyway I think the original posters comments are valid. A quick scan of the EQII boards and the WoW beta forums will pretty much confirm this. As another poster pointed out here this board is starting to resemble a my dad can beat up your dad schoolyard shoving contest. Quite frankly go play whatever game you want, my god it isn't like it will bring world peace or suddenly make you rich and famous in real life. Both WoW and EQII are probably pretty darn good games, it all boils down to a matter of personal taste and which community your online and or real life friends are playing.
I miss DAoC
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You made my day Thoom. That was hilarious....
Thanks!
Well Starman must be a WoW fan who had parents that didn't love him. Poor guy. It is YOU that doesn't realize how many kids can get their parents to fork over 15 a month. Plus half of us kids have jobs. Even then my parents payed for my subscription =P And no my family was more on the broke side which is why I had to get a job and paying for my own college. 4 words you need to learn Starman. "Mom I love you." Then the $$$ follows. Of course this doesn't work for the unfortunates who have (w)itch parents.
<High schooler's insert flame here>
Lol read my post on the last page. Its not that I dont go do stuff its that I cant. FOr instance its fall break and im at my dads, 100 miles away from my friends. FOr one damn week I cant see my friends cause I have to visit my dad. So I play games while im here cause there is nothing better to do. When im back at my moms of course I will do things with my friends. We all go skating after school then mess around on weekends. BUt what I mean is the when parents get a divorce, they make it so the kid has to visit one another, so I never get to spend time with my friends on the weekends.
Thats why divorce sucks. I will remind my self all my life not to get married.
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And neither does ones personal choice on a game. I can assure you that I am a vivid WoW supporter. And I can also assure you that I will never and have never in the past came to this forum, or any other that was related to EQ2 to flame/bash/act like an immature kiddie or make fun. Just as someone else pointed out earlier, not everyone who plays the game goes posting on forums. Half, if not more do not even check the forums.
I would suggest rethinking that thought and try to come to a different conclusion. And, I hope this post didn't come across as rude, because I surely did not intend for it to.
All this talk on maturity level makes me wonder exactly what the maturity level of EQ2 and WoW will be. I'm going to play the WoW beta because anyone that wants to make an informed decision on which of the two to play (and this seems to be a common topic) will do so. It's disappointing that EQ2 isn't going to have an open beta, but who am I kidding, I'm going to be buying EQ2 anyway, so I guess the open beta's not really necessary. :P
The friends with whom I'm going to be deciding which game to play are worried that WoW is going to have a high demographic of younger players which might detract from the game. That might be that case, and I've seen arguments for both sides. However, I've only played AC2, and just seen EQ and EQ2 (gotta love having friends in the beta).
AC2 had (based on my experiences over the course of a year of playing) very little in the way of immaturity. I have no idea what the age demographics for the game were, but the maturity level of the game was relatively high. Apparently this is not the case for other games, at least if the previous posts are any indication. :P
This is probably going to affect my decision, and even though I'm only one among many making the decision, I'd like to know other people's experiences in other games with this. Now, it's important to note I'm not asking for experiences with young people in game. I'm asking for experiences with emotionally stunted people in game. I just have not really encountered it before.
Well, the idiocy isn't strictly a kid thing, but there's a surefire way of dealing with the mythical b-net kiddies should you happen to encounter one. /ignore. Suddenly their power over you is gone.
That being said, there is no evidence that points to there being more 'kids' in WoW over EQ2. I certainly haven't noticed any difference. Either in WoW, or EQ2, or in any of the other games I've played. AC, AC2, DAoC, SWG, SB, FFXI, Eve, etc. There are assholes, cool people, helpful people, you name it. Just like real life. Except you can't light them on fire in game.
If there were a game I would be worried about finding the b-net kiddies, it would be Guild Wars. People tend to behave a bit more when they have to pay a monthly fee, and the GM types will bring their heel down alot more often, and with far more authority when there are subscription dollars on the line. If people quit playing on Bnet, what do they care? They already have your money in that instance, your leaving just saves them money on bandwidth. But in WoW? If someones asshat behaviour makes people quit, they start losing money, thus you'll see the asshat get the boot. Sure that won't stop everyone, cause lets face it, some people play just to be dinks, and the companies in the past have been less than tough on that sort of crap. But they seem to be getting the picture, if slowly.