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VultureSkull
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I look at the current topics on this fourm and see
War = AoC2
WAR is to repetitive.
I'm sadly disappointed
WAR is lacking in the gear department..
Bored Game
as topics, all complaining about one thing or another.
The simple answer to all these threads is
"If you dont like the game then move on"
There are over 39 released games listed on the left hand side of this site and a few more to boot, on the games drop down box.
If you dont like WAR go and try one of the others listed.
Ok you were expecting big things and were disappointed, so what, get over it, it is your own fault building up your expectations.
WAR has not been out very long and needs tweaking etc, just like any other MMO released. If you dont know this then you know nothing about MMOS.
To you think we really want to hear why "you" as an individual do not like the game?
WAR is what it is and if you dont like then tough, I wish you luck in find the ultimate MMO, i doubt you will ever find it, but good luck anyways.
Comments
hear hear!
But then again...some people have perfected lack of life to such heights that it's form of art for them.
Why should WAR be immune to negative comments? Every game has people who both love and hate it. They're called opinions, and that's what a forum is for.
You draw your own conclusions from what you read and if a game has a lot of negative press, then it is quite obvious that you should avoid it. This forum is the main reason I personally did not try WAR.
Well more fool you for listening to trolls on this forum to extent that you did not even try it ROFL!
You allow someone's impression of the game dictate what you do, that is sad. Do you not know what the majority of posters are like on these forums?
As to your comment about being immune from negative comments, ofc it is not, but the continous posts by narrow minded people, saying things like i am bored doing Scenario's over and over again, when they have choice not to do so are not negative comments about the game but negative comments about themselves!
In amongst the forum trolls are legitamite complaints, that if corrected, will improve the game. Unfortunately the constructive critism will always come with the more outrageous flames. So look at it this way, putting up with the garbage will get you a better game.
Waiting for the next thing
Heh, it's the same for almost any forum OP. This is a discussion forum and not simply a fan site. You're going to have to either learn to ignore such threads or learn to debate them.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly empathize. There are plenty of days I wonder why I bother with mmorpg.com.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
I'm going to cantradict myself in part here;
The reason some people post these negative threads is simply to express, to those who would listen, their disappointment with a game, WAR in this case. Some people just bitch, endlessly, about a given game which I do not think is good.
I too have canceled my sub and picked up WoW again. Why? Simple, many people have listed the reasons already but some of my own reasons were scenario grind, lack of character itemization - attack of the clones - and lastly an ever decreasing population ( EU servers ).
is WAR a duffer of a game? No. But it will require some reworking to attract the masses. Meanwhile Blizzard have excelled themselves with WotLK. Burning Crusade was good to Meh, but this is brilliant. For once I can see some real love, thought and importantly polish gone into an MMO, albeit an expansion. Even the new BG complete with drivable tanks feels more seige like than WAR's open RVR content.
I dare say I will return one day, as I do like to swap about between MMO's. I hope they do well.
There are many reasons for posting here
1. To help new players be informed about the state of the game. If players are expecting oRvR, which is widely advertised by Mythic, then shouldn't someone tell them that on most servers, it isn't even a possibility. Most current players are fairly happy with scenario grinding. Is Mythic ever going to advertise " join our game, sit in a warcamp and queue over and over again for the same scenario from lvl 30-40".
2. It helps Mythic if they get negative feedback - look at the delays they just announced to the professions (mainly healers) because there was so much negative feedback. Any dev team should want, and listen to, negative feedback.
3. It helps other developers of new games. Don't you think it's good for Bioware to learn all about the failures of Warhammer as they build their game? They learned that players will choice the more convenient path to progression (scenarios) even if it is less fun. No sense designing a great, robust system if you are going to allow players to have an expediate way to bypass that system.
4. Forums in general were built on debate. There can be no debate if every thread turns into a hype filled advertisement for the game. Page views would drop quickly for this site ( less $$ for mmorpg.com)
VultureSkull,
While I totally agree with you... don't feed the trolls.
If you notice, lately many of the troll posts go by with no replies and that's a good thing. If the posts are ignored, they'll get bored and head to another game to trash.
I've stopped replying to them myself and spend time looking for positive information about the game instead of getting angry about people posting things that are completely untrue.
You have to feel sorry for these people. Instead of moving on to a game they like and being positive, they'd rather spend their time trash talking games that are successful that they don't want to be.
What a sad, sad life they have.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
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), polls of opinion as well as debates. The language used on forums is generally not limited by any set rules and standards. Personal opinion is commonly more dominant than informative opinion or documented one; often expressing personal opinion over other forms is encouraged or implied. Because of their volatile and random behavior it is not uncommon for nonsense or unsocial behavior to sprout as people lose temper and try to fight each other.
it's not from me, it's from wikipedia
Thats what everyone is doing, thats why most of servers are a ghost town
Well more fool you for listening to trolls on this forum to extent that you did not even try it ROFL!
You allow someone's impression of the game dictate what you do, that is sad. Do you not know what the majority of posters are like on these forums?
As to your comment about being immune from negative comments, ofc it is not, but the continous posts by narrow minded people, saying things like i am bored doing Scenario's over and over again, when they have choice not to do so are not negative comments about the game but negative comments about themselves!
Yes, but some player comments, both negative and positive are actually quite informative. If someone said they didn't like a game for this reason or that reason, it may be similar to what another person might not like it for. I personally was stoked for WARs release, a firm believer in Mythic because of how much I loved DAoC. Unfortunately, WAR was not DAoC 2 and in all actuality, wasn't even close. I'm not saying WAR is a bad game, just not up to par in terms of DAoC standards for RvR. This is of course my opinion. It just happens to be negative.
There is a difference between valid criticism and just plain hate and agenda-fed propaganda.
When those trolls move out I'll start criticising the game, but not before. You can't hold any kind of a normal conversation if you are constantly being attacked by utter-BS psychos.
Here's a recent example of at least somewhat civil post which is still waay overblown and obviously designed to hurt the game as much as possible:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/239/view/forums/thread/212272/page/1
There is very willful propaganda at work here, there is no doubt about it. People posting those threads aren't trying to improve the game through their input or even make any valid criticism per se.
80% of all those posts have one goal and one goal only: to stop as many people as possible from buying and trying out WAR. I leave it to you to decide who would benefit the most from this.
If people spent $50 on this game and the game was sub par or did not live up to what Mythic said it would be, then they have every right to come here and complain. What do you do when you order food and it sucks?
Thats what everyone is doing, thats why most of servers are a ghost town
ROFL.. Some troll made an account just to post on this thread.. I'm dieing here.. LOL
But seriously.. I agree it is anoying and frustraiting to have the board trolls post the crap they do here but it wont change.. We just have to ignor them. They will move to a new game soon.. I have all ready seen a drop in their posts since release.. It will get better
I have taken on board a few points here, don't feed the trolls, for example and ignore their posts, forums are built for debate and helps people make decisions, including devs, which cant be achieved withot negative comments.
Just saw what happend to the AoC forums where there was insistent and constant bashing going on, which is not heathly for anyone, hence my OP.
I didn't play AoC becuase of the complaints of the forum trolls, I'm glad I didn't. I picked up WAR at release, played for 7 weeks and canceled. The complaints that I've read on this forum (apart from the trolls) pretty much mirror my feelings.
I'm happy with a nice mix of positive and negative posts... gives a good perspective of a game...
OP:
I'm glad you don't want to read anything negative about WAR but this isn't a communist oppression, it's a message board, and if people want to voice displeasure with a product they spent GOOD money to play, it is their given right.
Instead of telling people not to post why don't you simply not read their post?
Tecmo Bowl.
Generally the threads of this this website are mainly negative which might say something of the mindset of a lot of people posting. It is kind of disappointing that the forums have a lot of people attacking games and often they seem to misinform.
I don't really know what can be gained from putting other games down as healthy competition will even help the other games they play improve. War isn't bug free but for a newly released game it is pretty damn good, yet some of the posts i read makes it sound like it's buggy beyond compare for example.
This website seems to be heavy with trolls and the forums are more for/against than any comprehensive information about the actual game once you get past the stickies.
I mainly come here for a laugh, especially anti WOW people who attack it for being unoriginal, then use the multi rehashed McDonalds theory, "try being original yourself". Then there are the" too easy" people who seem to think grinding mobs over and over till you vomit is a progressive mmorpg. These people are often the time beats skill type of people, they have lots of time to play but have the coordination seen in a Jerry Lewis movie. Then there are people playing MMO's with probably more GM's than actual players worried thier game will halve it's population with a new mmo released.
War is fun but i don't play it as much as i did WOW as i don't feel the need to. It don't matter what someone types as i know what it is, a good game and differant enough to create it's own niche. I like the fact you can play casuali although i could see why hardcore players would get bored with it.
I would like to see these forums be more a helpful, informative discussion between the game players rather than a for/against type scenario but it is what it is :P.
Negative comments are one thing...Bringing out same negative comments in a whole new thread 7 times a week like a broken record is not.
Same thing really, a reference source that can be changed or modified by the viewer to suit the viewers needs.
Ok, I have to admit this: when a game really pissed me off, either by serious bugs or broken promises or other things I want to take my revenge on it for the wasted time and money. Its human, and I feel its justified when I payed for something to have a fews words in a discussion. Thats why opinion is free, everyone can have one and say it. I dont see where the problem is. You know, I am damn sure there are a lot more ranter who PLAY the games they criticise than there are blind fanbois who do!
The ranter usually is the disappointed lover, the ex. If we rant about games, it because we want them to become better, and I just feel MMOs can be a LOT better than what we got so far, so there is still a lot work to do and a lot to critizise. Sometimes its rational, sometimes a personal critique. I can understand that baseless moaning or personal attacs lead to nothing, but the process of improvement leads through critique, thats how things someday can get better. The only problem is, that its a very one-sided process usually, since Devs just dont listen and fall into endless litanis of justification.
Its a bit like in the cold war: they build the walls of fanboism higher and thicker and we have to attack them with a larger and stronger ram, and so it goes on. There are only two things you can do, get popcorn and enjoy the show or stay back and pray for better times.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Very mature post Elikal, as always.
However (I know I use this word a lot) there is a difference between being objectively critical of a game (like I am of EVE for example) and simply making up or overblowing your points in order to make your point (and therefore yourself) superior.
Here's my EVE criticism:
Me: I love combat in EVE and PvP in general but those death penalties are too harsh.
EVE "fanboi": But you can get into a guild! They'll pay your repairs and ships and all!
Me: Sorry, but I really don't dig excessive guild play. I'm a casual, got RL responsibilites etc.. It's a pity I won't get to enjoy the game's finer moments but it really isn't for me.
See? I'm not making up crap here just to justify emotionally why some game isn't my thing. 80% of all the negative posters here would say "ZOMG EVE death penalties iz crap! The game is crap! All the people playing it and not seeing that it's crap are retards because I am the measure of all things forever and ever!".... and then they'll go on and invent and overblow BS how EVE is... dunno.. they'll invent something. It is a basic psychological compensation thing. People take games too seriously and invest too much ego in them, that's sure. These boards have deteriorated to the level of football fan shouting matches.
So ..anyone who disagrees with you is full of fanboism? That label right there would tend to make me pass your post by entirely. Only because it represents an opinion that doesn't want to hear any other opinion but its own.
There is no one-sided process with Mythic....do you use the feedback option? If you do..then good on you. If you don't that there is your option.
Mythic does listen, does take feedback from their paying subscribers seriously, I do know that. How well they listen or pay attention may be a factor that puts people off sometimes.
I think the bottom line with Mythic is they are striving to succeed and anything that puts them closer to that goal is going to be looked at. I am pretty sure they are not out to make their project fail, nor rip folks off.
The process of improvement does indeed require criticisms and critique, it just depends on how its done and if it comes off as ...ranting and raving or if it comes off as measured, logical thought.
Most times on these and other forums, ..it just comes off as someone frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog. ( nor referring to you of course..let me say that.)
I would suggest too that in order to get Mythic's attention that you contact them more directly....here posts are likely to be buried forever in the massive litany of complaining and gnashing of teeth over real and imagined wrongs.
Cend
Lets face it if you had a legitimate complaint you wouldn't be posting it here.
People who come here to cry about these games are here to bitch and nothing more. Its all about how the game didn't live up to their expectations and must therefore be garbage.
Bottom line is you cant please everyone. You people here complaining either have never actually played it or played it for a short time (its only been out a short time) and didn't like it. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it however you have already expressed your dissatisfaction by canceling your account. I'm sure the game developers got the message that you didn't like THEIR game however coming here and making posts that say a game is trash simply because it doesn't work the way YOU want it to is just childish.
As for those of you who come here and read these posts believing that when some jaded troll says that the game "suxxors" it means you wont like it either and shouldn't try it for yourself?
You are a bunch of easily led cattle or sheep...... Lemmings even. You should all be neutered to insure that you don't breed more easily influenced mindless automatons like yourselves.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
war's done, stick a fork in it. Everywhere is a ghost town. SC's popping once every half our. Nobody around anymore. It's become very boring. They lost 2 more accounts tonight. This is on Skull throne to!
Huh... I'm on Vortex and we have Scenarios popping in under 6 minutes. I even rerolled and saw people everywhere. The game is far from dead.
And just because the game is "done" in your mind doesn't mean that it is. But why am I arguing with a troll? *sigh*