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  • Maabus1999Maabus1999 Member Posts: 104

    Gotcha.  I mentioned that in my post. 

    However, I have personal experience with SOE's bad CS in multiple titles, and I will say they do have a bad reputation.  However they are NOTHING compared to Lineage 2's CS.  imageimageimage Worst CS....Ever.  I have had some good experiences with SOE CS, but many bad one's also. Unfortunately, my fellow guild members have many more worse stories then I.  I can definetly say from their view points it is a HUGE factor to them after that, so EQ 2 needs to prove it has outstanding CS, for an extended period, not just launch.

    Also, SOE's handling of SWG hurt lots of players faith.  The combat revamp that was promised in detail was pushed back at least 16 months from when the info was first released to the public.  16 months for what most people see as a critical issue in the game set another horrible taste in player's mouths(John Smedley was part of this idea too...).  Go read the SWG boards here about the Lucas Art's take over rumor, most people actually welcome it and say they may go back to the game if that happens.  THAT, is bad company reputation there, clear as day.  So yes, SOE has tons to prove with EQ 2, and if they fail, and make empty promises, not only will EQ 2 fail(in the eyes of the gamers), but I see SOE permently losing its grip as a MMORPG company powerhouse.  You can see by reading around the web there is tons of bad SOE blood, and they can't afford any more...

  • HikarusaiHikarusai Member UncommonPosts: 26



    Originally posted by Maabus1999

    Gotcha.  I mentioned that in my post. 
    However, I have personal experience with SOE's bad CS in multiple titles, and I will say they do have a bad reputation.  However they are NOTHING compared to Lineage 2's CS.  imageimageimage Worst CS....Ever.  I have had some good experiences with SOE CS, but many bad one's also. Unfortunately, my fellow guild members have many more worse stories then I.  I can definetly say from their view points it is a HUGE factor to them after that, so EQ 2 needs to prove it has outstanding CS, for an extended period, not just launch.
    Also, SOE's handling of SWG hurt lots of players faith also.  Combat Revamp that was promised in detail was pushed back to at least 16 months past when it was first released to the public.  16 months for what most people see as a critical issue in the game set another horrible taste in player's mouths(John Smedley was part of this idea too...).  Go read the SWG boards here about the Lucas Art's take over rumor, most people actually welcome it and say they may go back to the game if that happens.  THAT, is bad company reputation there.  So yes, SOE has tons to prove with EQ 2, and if they fail, and make empty promises, not only will EQ  fail(in the eyes of the gamers), but I see SOE permently losing its grip as an MMORPG company powerhouse.  You can see by reading around the web there is tons of bad SOE blood, and they can't afford any more...



    Heh, try it from the other side of the CS table.  I worked as a guide for verant, back before the kunark expansion, and it's complete hell from that side.  First off, they don't give you enough power as a regular guide to really help people out.  Yea... if someone is stuck in a wall, you can teleport them out, but that's pretty much the biggest thing you can do.  Not to mention that after helping people, you then have to fill out digital paperwork (which was the reason I stopped).  As for SWG... never played it, so I can't comment on it.  Just remember that in terms of in-game customer support for games like EQ, and probably EQ2, the person on the other end of the line is most likely a gamer just like yourself, trying to help out, but most of the time, all they can do is recommend your problem to a higher-GM-level, and there is a real shortage of those.  Not really sure where I'm going with this... I guess just give the game a shot, and try not to call on the CS too much image

  • metalcoremetalcore Member Posts: 798



    Originally posted by BigPeeler

    B. SoE is an MMORPG veteran... remember, SoE created North America's most successful MMORPG to date... now how many MMORPG's has Blizzard made?



    Remember SOE didnt create Everquest, THE most successful MMORP to date, it was Verant and that Team went on to form Vanguard, then poached all the talent from SOE that was left.

    Okay Blizzard havent created a MMORP before but there Roleplaying games experience and online game experience stretches over years. Okay Diablo isnt a particularly good game these days but for its time was very good.

     

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  • Maabus1999Maabus1999 Member Posts: 104

    Ha...bingo.  CS are regular people, and unfortunately, they can be bad like Real Life CS.  Try calling Sprint, MCI, etc...  You'll get some really helpful people, but then other's that sometimes do nothing or worst, be unbelievably rude to you.  Flip side again, I think us American's are unbelievably rude and greedy in getting whatever we want if we pay a company some fee.  So yes, problems on both sides, but, a company should do its best.  I think the bad parts with swg were getting ignored, sometimes close your petition while talking, or taking 2-3 hours to fix something.  However I've had GM's help me within 5 minutes also.  The other thing is GM's "favoring" players, or being nice even.  Yeah it happens because one GM seemed to like a guild member of mine so whenever he had a problem he would "compensate" 10 fold.  Example, he lost an AT ST from some weird bug in the middle of nowhere.  GM gave him enough reputation to buy 4 more....now we all think it is cool, but look outside of our "guild" and people who hear this think favortism, corrupted GMS, etc... when some may be just nice guys, even though they are breaking the rules possibly.

  • Maabus1999Maabus1999 Member Posts: 104



    Originally posted by metalcore



    Originally posted by BigPeeler

    B. SoE is an MMORPG veteran... remember, SoE created North America's most successful MMORPG to date... now how many MMORPG's has Blizzard made?


    Remember SOE didnt create Everquest, THE most successful MMORP to date, it was Verant and that Team went on to form Vanguard, then poached all the talent from SOE that was left.
    Okay Blizzard havent created a MMORP before but there Roleplaying games experience and online game experience stretches over years. Okay Diablo isnt a particularly good game these days but for its time was very good.
     


    As I said earlier, I think Blizzard not having straight MMO experience actually is better in this situation because it shows Blizzard has something to prove, against what many see as the "king of MMORPG's".  Anyone using this arguement I believe will find it backfiring on you when these games come out, just showing how much the "underdog" will go to prove themeselves and possibly dethrone the "king".

  • BigPeelerBigPeeler Member Posts: 1,270



    Originally posted by eeargy




    Originally posted by BigPeeler
    lol... not sure why, but something about eeargy's posts make me want to hit somebody over the head with a large, blunt object... image

    EDIT: Angry post deleted for the simple fact that you just complimented me in another thread and compliments go a long way. ::::28::

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  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    One thing I figured out real quick is that the reason more EQII testers are not over here posting all sorts of positve reviews etc is that they are too busy playing the darn game to bother discussing it. Only reason I am here now is that the servers are down for their weekly update. Just stopped in to say thanks again MMORPG.com, EQII is a blast. See you guys next week when they update again.

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  • eeargyeeargy Member Posts: 300


    Originally posted by jimothypetro
    Given these easily verifiable facts it's reasonable, natural even, to conclude that at the moment there is a higher level of anticipation for World of Warcraft than there is for Everquest 2. How they'll do after they both go retail is something we can only speculate upon.

    I think I'd disagree with this. Most sales come from people who just see something in the store, and buy it, or someone that doesn't do a whole lot of research in the game(like just reads the FAQ at eqii.com).

    ~5000 people hyped EQ2 or WoW(and probably at least a thousand of those are duplicate hypes by alt names.. but anyway). 5000 is nothing compared the hundreds of thousands each of these games will sell.

    EQ2 has spent millions more on advertising, I just seen an ad at the movie theatre the other day. I'd bet EQ2 will be on the sign in front of your local EBgames, and not WoW.

    And alot of "bnet kiddies" won't be able to get the game, because well, they are "kiddies". So a large portion of the Blizzard fan base won't be able to play an MMO(and hopefully they won't).

    Oh well, how many players are playing the game doesn't really matter, gameplay does. :P


    You're absolutely right. I should have said "at the moment there is a higher level of anticipation on this website for World of Warcraft than there is for Everquest 2".

    But the broad point I'm trying to make is that, just as you say, it's the gameplay that matters. It's the gameplay that will dictate if both games are successful or if one is far more successful than the other.

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  • OracleP4OracleP4 Member Posts: 495

    Cool comic! WOW is definitely gonna rox0r EQ2!  Much better looking game, I'll know where I'll be putting my time and money.  After the crap that was SWG, I will never again play a MMORPG made by SOE, cause they release crappy untested products that are completely unstable for the first couple months, and then takes forever for the decent content to come out.

    Really funny thing is though, it doesn't matter which one you buy, Sony still makes money... cause obviously Sony owns SOE, and Sony also owns Vivendi, who ownz Blizzard.  Pretty neat.  But WOW will still be better, no contest on this one.  Can't wait for Open Beta! Can't wait for release!! WOW is already the best MMORPG ever made and it isn't even out yet! EQWho?  Crap!

     

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  • Maabus1999Maabus1999 Member Posts: 104

    Since when did Vivendi get taken over by Sony.  Link please because I think your mistaken.  I mean, a French company surrendering to a foreign company....oh wait.....

    Still, Vivendi is still alive and kicking as its own company.  Vivendi thought of selling of VU games however, but nothing has come of that.  IF you to correct me, thats cool, but I want to see it from a real source:)

  • ElElyonElElyon Member UncommonPosts: 219

    Blizzard made diablo 2, that is an online game with quests and leveling and almost every aspect of a mmorpg, except add a thousand more players...

    if diable 2 could hold 1500 players, it would be a mmorpg.

    So I think Blizzard has a lot of experience in this area.

    But EQ2 is still better ::::39::

  • TheGymnastTheGymnast Member Posts: 21

    I think the big difference is PvP or no PvP.  Just depends what you like. I am going to play EQ cuz I like to group and quest more and don’t care for PvP.  However if you like PvP go WoW, cuz it rocks for PvP.  I am in WoW Bata it was smooth even in the largest of the PvP battles.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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  • HashmanHashman Member Posts: 649

    I think it's quite funny the whole EQ2 vs WoW thing. If you go to forums for other mmorpgs there are threads about EQ2 vs WoW. Everyone seems to be talking about it.  image 

    Maybe in 10 years time there will be a gaming watchdog which sets minimum standards for CS, Lag, lost game time due to servers being down etc. I can but dream. image 

    I will probably give both games a try, but I won't subscribe longer than 3 months, just in case either smell. image

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    Paravion

    watch your language please


    Originally posted by WizGamer
    Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .
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    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • shadowgrx20shadowgrx20 Member Posts: 33

    my personal reasons for choosing EQ2 over WoW is this...

    I've played many MMORPG's.  I always compare them to 1... that 1 is EQlive.  EQlive was by far the best mmorpg out... i've gotten sick of it recently because it has become so uberized.  But everytime i've tried a different mmorpg i always think... "i don't like this system i wish it were more like EQ's" or "this just doesn't feel like EQ"... i love bilzzard to death they've made 3 of my most favorite games ever.  Diablo, starcraft, and warcraft.  But from screenshots and movies ive seen i don't like the way it looks... not graphically but just combat wise, everyone having a mount etc...  while in EQ2 i think it would feel a lot like going back to a fresh EQlive... SOE has so much to base EQ2 on because EQ has set a foundation for it.  From the lore given i think they might have made a good sequal to the game.. we will see

  • ThoomThoom Member Posts: 436

    Well with the new content being added to EQ2 beta <yes and the bugs that come with it> Looks like its gonna be putting WoW on its Orcish toes. The things WoW fans were complaining about in EQ2 are being addressed.

    So now the end game begins <ominous music>image

  • ShatterShatter Member Posts: 172


    Originally posted by shadowgrx20
    my personal reasons for choosing EQ2 over WoW is this...
    I've played many MMORPG's.  I always compare them to 1... that 1 is EQlive.  EQlive was by far the best mmorpg out... i've gotten sick of it recently because it has become so uberized.  But everytime i've tried a different mmorpg i always think... "i don't like this system i wish it were more like EQ's" or "this just doesn't feel like EQ"... i love bilzzard to death they've made 3 of my most favorite games ever.  Diablo, starcraft, and warcraft.  But from screenshots and movies ive seen i don't like the way it looks... not graphically but just combat wise, everyone having a mount etc...  while in EQ2 i think it would feel a lot like going back to a fresh EQlive... SOE has so much to base EQ2 on because EQ has set a foundation for it.  From the lore given i think they might have made a good sequal to the game.. we will see

    I feel the exact same way. After playing Eqlive for 4 and a half years, i like how it felt and how it played and thats what i look for in a mmorpg now. As you said Diablo, starcraft, and warcraft are all great games but i dont like how Warcraft feels on a multiplayer level.

    But thats just me....

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  • ChallengeChallenge Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 36



    Originally posted by BigPeeler

    remember, SoE created North America's most successful MMORPG to date...


     

    Err, wrong.  SOE bought EverQuest from Verant, and lost nearly half of it's subscribers because of the stupid shit in which they did to it.  Ever since SOE bought the game from Verant, EverQuest Live has been going downhill.

    SOE did NOT make EverQuest, they bought it.

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  • AuggieAuggie Member Posts: 22



    Originally posted by Challenge



    Originally posted by BigPeeler

    remember, SoE created North America's most successful MMORPG to date...



     
    Err, wrong.  SOE bought EverQuest from Verant, and lost nearly half of it's subscribers because of the stupid shit in which they did to it.  Ever since SOE bought the game from Verant, EverQuest Live has been going downhill.
    SOE did NOT make EverQuest, they bought it.


    "Alas, the beginings of things!"


    Sorry Sony did develop EQ.

    In 95 Sony Interactive Studios America (SISA) was formed to develop internal games for Sony. In 96 John Smedley was put in charge of developing a MMORPG for Sony he hired Brad Mcquaid and Steve Clover to design EQ. In 98 SISA was changed to 989 Studios.

    989 studios split in late 98 between console and MMORPG studios.  John Smedley  formed Red Eye entertainment, and then later changed again to Verant to handle EQ . Eq was released in 99 and shortly there after in 2000, newly formed SOE reaquired Verant and it development team.

  • shadowgrx20shadowgrx20 Member Posts: 33
    and the winner is auggie. :)

  • ethionethion Member UncommonPosts: 2,888

    I'm not sure I'd compare SWG to horizons. Whatever some people think about it it isn't a failure. If you watch the numbers you would see that SWG has about 300k subs. Not stellar but also far from bad. For US MMORPGs I believe that makes it number 2 after EQ. Assuming we don't count Lineage, Lineage 2, and FFXI which all are more asian based.

    Horizon which you included in comparison is a complete disaster and I think peeked at around 25k subs.

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  • RichijefeRichijefe Member Posts: 142

    ethion so basically just cuz swg supposedly has 300k subs makes it a great mmorpg? ive played swg, and most ppl in the community never tested another mmorpg, mostly star wars die hard fans playin  ^_^ so yah they didnt quit even though the game has a lot of probs, i mean i played it like a month ago and still had bugs.... after 1 year heh and the custommer support, not great i tell u ^^ anyways swg is not a good mmorpg. SOE is a company that obviously doesnt care for quality.

    Just the fact that it seems that WoW is gettin more hype than EQ2 shows you how badly SOE has done. EQ has the largets subs in the english speakin world(ie not countin lineage since that is asian ^^) and sooooo many fans, and still WoW a game bein designed by blizzard(yah a legend in game developin but still never dev an mmorpg b4) is outdoin the EQ sequel. That shows how much SOE has screwed up ^_^ if they had a done a good job all the way, im sure EQ2 > WoW in terms of hype.

    thats is just my opinion! cheers image

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  • VindicothVindicoth Member Posts: 273

    Dark Age of Camelot is actually number 2 =).

    Atleast it was a while back ago.

    I do know it was the best MMORPG I had played since early pre-Luclin EQ.

  • SimplyPsykeSimplyPsyke Member UncommonPosts: 32

    I'm surprised that there are so many people who think that Blizzard is really that much better than SOE when it comes to Customer Support...

    Don't get me wrong SOE sucks at it, I mean SWG.... but I know I am not the only 1.09 D2 LOD player here. They had 2 freaking people working on the patch for nearly 2 years, because they moved all their manpower to WC3 and WoW. The problem with blizzard is they create a great game but forget about it once the next project starts, hopefully WoW changes this and they can get more manpower and start working on Starcraft 2/Diablo 3.

    I think both games will be good, and I think both games will do well, it'll all come down to your own tastes.

    That being said I will be playing EQ2, at least until Guild Wars comes out.

  • VindicothVindicoth Member Posts: 273

    Yeah but the difference between World of Warcraft and Diablo is that they're getting paid monthly for World of Warcraft and can have a dedicated team JUST for warcraft because of the monthly income. It's a big step for blizzard in becoming a bigger company. Which will allow them to high more support and such.

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