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Bush (America?) Shunned by EVERY Powerful World Leader

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  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by Precusor


    It has started.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/3495181/China-using-cyberwarfare-to-challenge-US-power.html
     
    And the powerless U.S cant do a thing.

     

    I hope there is no drum-beating to attack China; the Chinese fight back.

     

    Worse, in a decade, China will double its GDP; its people save, and China is investing into its people in the area of education and infrastructure - even health care.  The Chinese are currently working on a policy of universal coverage for its citizens.

     

    It is why I am studying Mandarin Chinese with a tutor, though, I have put that on hold to learn Spanish for my upcoming trip to Argentina.  Anyway, look at Argentina, e.g., the government just seized the pensions.  Frankly, I would not be surprised if we did that here to make them "safe" and use some of it, we will need money, for TARP (Troubled Assets Relief Program).  TARP was designed, implemented, and managed by bankers - who do you think the money is going to go to, one way or another? Hehe.

     

    Edit:  

    November 9th:  American Express was a credit card company.

    ABRACADABRA! ** ! ** * ** ! **

    November 10th:  American Express is a federal bank holding company chartered by the Federal Reserve.

    (makes swishing noises and paper suffling)

    November 10th:  American Express gets access to bail-out money and can borrow from Federal Reserve at discount rate to loan to you at a higher rate.

     

    Yesterday:  I read in the Wall Street Journal that American Express is going to charge higher fees and impose a 10, monthly fee, on those with balances for like longer than a month.

     

     

    Welcome to the "new" economy.  You are too generous.  Way too generous with your money.

  • PrecusorPrecusor Member UncommonPosts: 3,589
    Originally posted by declaredemer

     

     

     

    Worse, in a decade, China will double its GDP; its people save, and China is investing into its people in the area of education and infrastructure - even health care.  The Chinese are currently working on a policy of universal coverage for its citizens.

     

     

     

    They are investing..

    www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/world/asia/18china.html

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    China is not a threat to the United States; it is just developing, and assuming, its role as a world leader.

     

    When you owe the bank 1 million dollars, you are in the trouble.

     

    When you owe the bank 100 trillion dollars, the bank is in trouble.

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,359
    Originally posted by declaredemer 
    Independent? Ya. Right. 

    I voted Republican once - and that was this last election. Was it in support of McCain? Nope, sure wasn't. I was casting a vote against Obama.

    I am not some mindless drone that simply votes for their party they are affiliated with. If I see a candidate I like, whatever the party, I will vote for that candidate; however, Democrats vote for Democrats, Republicans vote for Republicans. We are Independent because we hold no party "loyalty".

  • ThrakkThrakk Member Posts: 1,226
    Originally posted by Dekron

    Originally posted by declaredemer 
    Independent? Ya. Right. 

    I voted Republican once - and that was this last election. Was it in support of McCain? Nope, sure wasn't. I was casting a vote against Obama.

    I am not some mindless drone that simply votes for their party they are affiliated with. If I see a candidate I like, whatever the party, I will vote for that candidate; however, Democrats vote for Democrats, Republicans vote for Republicans. We are Independent because we hold no party "loyalty".

     

    But isn't it mindless to not support one of the only 2 candidates that would make it into office. I mean, you might as well not vote at all if you are going to vote independent. Sure you might have your moral highground for voting that way but action speaks bigger than words and voting independent is not really taking any active choice in who will actually become president at all.

    -edit- and that's why you voted Republican in this election and I congratulate you. It's the people who voted independent who generate 'worthless' votes... (except maybe in their head)

    Also DeclareDemer, you have been wonderful in this thread. I don't think logic is a soapbox, so keep on firing away. At least it's great to have 2 sides of an issue on a forum where the majority of posters are anti-obama. Nonetheless, I think that you would be better off posting in a more sophisticated political forum in general   But hey, we both must like yelling at a wall, or just like the people here enough to keep posting in all of the tripe of these political threads that keep reappearing here on Off-Topic Discussion.

    (DeclareDemer - also I originally thought you were just cutting and pasting because your posts have always been well organized with color and centering and whatnot... it turns out that you are writing them.. I give you props for that)

  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,359
    Originally posted by Thrakk 
    -edit- and that's why you voted Republican in this election and I congratulate you. It's the people who voted independent who generate 'worthless' votes... (except maybe in their head)

     

    It's not worthless. It was a stand to show I do not, and will never, support Obama.

  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202

    Sigh this video got out to fast. Check this one from CNN.

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

    If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

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  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202
    Originally posted by Precusor


    It has started.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/3495181/China-using-cyberwarfare-to-challenge-US-power.html
     
    And the powerless U.S cant do a thing.



     

    Powerless? Well one it said we would share world power with China and India....nothing about Europe. Second they even stated that Obama could hurt them with a more protectonist trade policiy.

    It will take much longer for the US to become "powerless"

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

    If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

    AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD

  • keltic1701keltic1701 Member Posts: 1,162
    Originally posted by Arndur


    Sigh this video got out to fast. Check this one from CNN.

    As much as I dislike Bush I'm actually glad that he wasn't getting a snub. After all, he still represents the leader of our country no matter how much he's, as a person, is disliked. Just goes to show, don't take every thing you see and hear on TV OR the internet at face value.

  • ThrakkThrakk Member Posts: 1,226
    Originally posted by Dekron

    Originally posted by Thrakk 
    -edit- and that's why you voted Republican in this election and I congratulate you. It's the people who voted independent who generate 'worthless' votes... (except maybe in their head)

     

    It's not worthless. It was a stand to show I do not, and will never, support Obama.

     

    I said if you had voted independent it would have been worthless.

  • konrad16660konrad16660 Member Posts: 182

    The banks lost the money? What? The peoples money.  Oh yea, that is right.  The bankers have the peoples' money and they are still making out like bandits.  They are getting paid their bonuses and thier high salaries still.  The only people that are really hurting are the people.  Look at the car bailout situation right now.  The CEO's all refused to sell their private jets if they were issued the bailout.  They are still living in style.  They wouldn't even compromise by flying first class back to Detroit.  I would be exited to fly first class, but they feel that it is "below them".  The people are getting the brunt of what is going on.

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414

    I agree.  If all the world is favorable with the decisions we are making.  Then we must be doing something wrong, because the rest of the world is a shit hole compared to the US.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Cleffy


    I agree.  If all the world is favorable with the decisions we are making.  Then we must be doing something wrong, because the rest of the world is a shit hole compared to the US.



     

    Really? Please feel free to clarify that statement, I'd love to know how the place I live in is a "shit hole" compared to the US.

     

  • ThelastwaaghThelastwaagh Member Posts: 92



           Why is voting independent useless? If you live in a state that is solidly blue or red your vote doesn't technically matter anyway. One more vote for candidates that get millions of votes is nothing. Voting for a candidate who only gets a few hundred thousand makes your vote have more of an impact. I'm happy to say I didn't vote for Obama or McCain and their big government, cut taxes, and meddle in foreign affairs bullshit.

           Both candidates simply gloss over the important issues. We now live in an age of sound bytes, where people can be inspired by one word ambiguous slogans. News stories report on issues that have no real value while tens of millions starve to death each year. Everyone wants services and government fiscal accountability and yet we keep voting in the candidate that promises tax cuts. Our politicians worry about the safety of the nation’s ports while the United States border remains virtually undefended.

           As an economic conservative I feel that I am not represented in either major party and so I will continue to waste my vote voting for libertarians, paleocons or constitutionalists until something changes. Of course I have no real hope that these parties will ever really win anything but at least when the United States is finally pulled down by our trillion in debt, harmful market manipulation, and over regulation I can say that at least I didn’t have a hand in it.

     

     

    -for the overmind.

  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    Originally posted by Sharajat

    Originally posted by Enigma


    Democratic Politicians = Not too bright. Marxists. Living Disney Cartoons and thinks the world is like Starfleet.
    Republican Politicians = Greedy and Snobbish
    Independents = On the right track.
    Anyone who gets upset at independents really need to get over it because that's going to be the future. More and more will become independent.
    I, on the other hand, like pie/

    Independents are on the right track?  Who?  The green party?  Don't make me laugh.  The Libertarians?  Ahahaha!  Maybe the good ol' constitution party?  

    Wow.  Independents, on the right track.  Their train is a permanent fixture on the station platform! 



     

    how can the green/libertarian party be independant, if they are in a party? I always thought independant = no political party affiliation.

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  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695
    Originally posted by declaredemer


    www.youtube.com/watch
     
    Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.
     
    The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 
     

     

    Since once again you have trolled the forums using your all-too-familiar techniques, I thought I would share this with you:

    Oops, it's all a fabrication.

     

    It's only 2 min long and gives you the whole story.  It also goes to show how declaredemer plays all of you to stroke his ego, or whatever he strokes when he gets so many to continuously respond to his threads.

  • fungistratusfungistratus Member Posts: 437
    Originally posted by Enigma


    you do know the elections are over, declaredemer
    time to get off of your little soap box now.

     

    I LOL'ed at this.  What is that saying?   Something about a kettle and a color...

  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202
    Originally posted by konrad16660


    The banks lost the money? What? The peoples money.  Oh yea, that is right.  The bankers have the peoples' money and they are still making out like bandits.  They are getting paid their bonuses and thier high salaries still.  The only people that are really hurting are the people.  Look at the car bailout situation right now.  The CEO's all refused to sell their private jets if they were issued the bailout.  They are still living in style.  They wouldn't even compromise by flying first class back to Detroit.  I would be exited to fly first class, but they feel that it is "below them".  The people are getting the brunt of what is going on.



     

    *sigh* im not backing the CEOs but they run a world wide company. They cant wait on a commerical jet t o go from New York to say Paris or something for a big meeting. These things are used to get people to meetings most of the time or to fly in clients for stuff.

    So my dad worked at ford coprate for awhile and his Nissan rep who we had dinner with last night also worked for them. The big 3 have been diggin themselves this whole for over 30 years. The UAW has done nothing to help, they force most of the outsourcing becuase of some of their insane demands. Saw they want to deunionzie a plant and pay 15/hr instead of 30/hr, UAW says screw you will shut down your plants. Thats why they have been going to china and mexico.

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

    If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

    AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD

  • BushMonkeyBushMonkey Member Posts: 1,406
    Originally posted by daeandor

    Originally posted by declaredemer


    www.youtube.com/watch
     
    Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.
     
    The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 
     

     

    Since once again you have trolled the forums using your all-too-familiar techniques, I thought I would share this with you:

    Oops, it's all a fabrication.

     

    It's only 2 min long and gives you the whole story.  It also goes to show how declaredemer plays all of you to stroke his ego, or whatever he strokes when he gets so many to continuously respond to his threads.

    Owned ,move along, nothing more to see here.

     

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    Hey, I am relying on the great Rick Sanchez. 

     

     

    I cannot believe Argentina's president arrived late!  She just seized pension assets, and I am going there for holiday soon.  I am a little nervous. Rofl.

     

     

    It seems as if Mr. Sanchez to the daily show the world of bloggers to posters on MMORPG were all duped; but not exactly.  He was not shaking their hands, and it was reasonable to conclude it was a rebuke considering his (a) record and (b) lame duck status.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by BushMonkey

    Originally posted by daeandor

    Originally posted by declaredemer


    www.youtube.com/watch
     
    Most Americans do not know that the world wants a piece of their sweet American ass.  They do not know this, and God willing, will never know this. They will just live in motion.
     
    The Bush disgrace, however, shocks me because this is deliberate.  This is not a coincidence; this is the world community saying, FU, Bush.  It is underrated, underreported because the public does not realize the significance, the size of this rebuke. 
     

     

    Since once again you have trolled the forums using your all-too-familiar techniques, I thought I would share this with you:

    Oops, it's all a fabrication.

     

    It's only 2 min long and gives you the whole story.  It also goes to show how declaredemer plays all of you to stroke his ego, or whatever he strokes when he gets so many to continuously respond to his threads.

    Owned ,move along, nothing more to see here.

     

    Well, as I said above when I first saw the thing, if you just actually WATCHED the video you could see Bush wasn't being snubbed. A snub is when YOU extend your hand, and the other guy blows you off. Bush didn't even look up or meet eye contact, much less stick a hand out. As I said, if anyone was snubbing anyone, BUSH was snubbing THEM. Turns out, neither was the case, but there was no way a responsible, thoughtful person could watch that video and even THINK Bush was being snubbed.

    This is why I questioned it from the beginning.

     

  • SlytheSlythe Member UncommonPosts: 952
    Originally posted by Arndur
    *sigh* im not backing the CEOs but they run a world wide company. They cant wait on a commerical jet t o go from New York to say Paris or something for a big meeting. These things are used to get people to meetings most of the time or to fly in clients for stuff.

    This is where I disagree with you, yes they most certainly can wait just like the rest of us.  What do these guys actually do? The head of GM doesn't even know how much cash GM would need to survive through the year. He didn't even have an estimation of how much it could be. Isn't it their job to know these kinds of things?

    Some of us have jobs where we have to deal with incompetent people who are President's and CEO's of companies, and we know what a joke they are. And how if they dropped dead tomorrow, the company would be just fine. Hell, it would probably be better off.  I'm telling you, it's corporate morons who make the decisions for companies today and it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.

    /end rant

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by Slythe



    it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.


     

    Shockingly, and surprisingly, a lot of truth to that.

     

    Look to Obama's pick for U.S. Treasury, e.g., an total insider.  Worked previously in the Treasury, now is the head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank (sits as Vice Chairman of the FOMC), and is going back to Treasury.  Worrisome is that he is on the architects of the bail-out bill and originally wanted to bail-out Lehman Brothers. 

     

    It is a revolving door of going into banking and treasury.  

  • EfrathEfrath Member UncommonPosts: 46
    I think one of the major reasons why so many people dislike USA is because americans, accourding to media and people online, seem to assume USA is thebest country, the world leader and the land with the most freedom. This in turn makes everyone outside and also some of the people in the US think that those silly americans must see everything in black and white as well as be poorly educated.

    When you say freedom, I think of something close to anarchy, but we all now that such pure freedom would only be damaging for us as human beings as we are simply far too selfish. Is USA a country of freedom? That depends entirely on what you view freedom as as, USA is a nice country but I wouldn't say it has as much freedom as some people want to claim it has.

    Its not like USA is the only country either where a nobody can climb up and become a wealthy millionare anyways.



    Also

    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by Slythe



    it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.


     

    Shockingly, and surprisingly, a lot of truth to that.

     

    Look to Obama's pick for U.S. Treasury, e.g., an total insider.  Worked previously in the Treasury, now is the head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank (sits as Vice Chairman of the FOMC), and is going back to Treasury.  Worrisome is that he is on the architects of the bail-out bill and originally wanted to bail-out Lehman Brothers. 

     

    It is a revolving door of going into banking and treasury.  

     

    When I read things like this, I just facepalm as it shows the prejudice that people have when it comes to people without jobs.

    Guess what, people aren't as lazy as you like to think. It's not fun to be without a job, I know no  one what wants to be without a job for longer periods of time.  Having free time all day long might seem fun at first, but after a few weeks, it wont be so funny anymore and this applies to alot of people I think.

    It's not as easy to get a job as you like to think, it all really depends on where you live (Which affects which jobs there is and  if there is any at all), your looks (When it comes to interviews, looks, speech, body language and such matters more than your grades in school), contacts (Knowing people that can put in a good word for you helps alot, you'll probably get a job even though there are people  with better grades and qualities seeking the same job) as well as earlier job experience.

    I know it's easy to just lump it all together and say everyone is lazy who can't get a job, but it's not as easy as you think, especially when you're a young teenager with no earlier experience with interiews, jobs and such. Not everyone has a car either which means that you can't always get a job at the other side  of town.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by Efrath

    I think one of the major reasons why so many people dislike USA is because americans, accourding to media and people online, seem to assume USA is thebest country, the world leader and the land with the most freedom. This in turn makes everyone outside and also some of the people in the US think that those silly americans must see everything in black and white as well as be poorly educated.
    When you say freedom, I think of something close to anarchy, but we all now that such pure freedom would only be damaging for us as human beings as we are simply far too selfish. Is USA a country of freedom? That depends entirely on what you view freedom as as, USA is a nice country but I wouldn't say it has as much freedom as some people want to claim it has.
    Its not like USA is the only country either where a nobody can climb up and become a wealthy millionare anyways.


    Also
    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by Slythe



    it is one of the reasons why so many businesses are failing. They have never worked a REAL job in their whole life and just go to college, party for 4 years and then get hooked up with some cushy job that they don't know a damn thing about.


     

    Shockingly, and surprisingly, a lot of truth to that.

     

    Look to Obama's pick for U.S. Treasury, e.g., an total insider.  Worked previously in the Treasury, now is the head of the NY Federal Reserve Bank (sits as Vice Chairman of the FOMC), and is going back to Treasury.  Worrisome is that he is on the architects of the bail-out bill and originally wanted to bail-out Lehman Brothers. 

     

    It is a revolving door of going into banking and treasury.  

     

    When I read things like this, I just facepalm as it shows the prejudice that people have when it comes to people without jobs.

    Guess what, people aren't as lazy as you like to think. It's not fun to be without a job, I know no  one what wants to be without a job for longer periods of time.  Having free time all day long might seem fun at first, but after a few weeks, it wont be so funny anymore and this applies to alot of people I think.

    It's not as easy to get a job as you like to think, it all really depends on where you live (Which affects which jobs there is and  if there is any at all), your looks (When it comes to interviews, looks, speech, body language and such matters more than your grades in school), contacts (Knowing people that can put in a good word for you helps alot, you'll probably get a job even though there are people  with better grades and qualities seeking the same job) as well as earlier job experience.

    I know it's easy to just lump it all together and say everyone is lazy who can't get a job, but it's not as easy as you think, especially when you're a young teenager with no earlier experience with interiews, jobs and such. Not everyone has a car either which means that you can't always get a job at the other side  of town.

     

    If people are too selfish to be free, then they are too selfish to be trusted with big government.

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