That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao.
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing. Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm} Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely. {sighs} Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao.
- Zaxx
what? this isn't new news at all, they've always had a fixed camera and made that a clear feature... It's fps style combat, and it helps make sneaking up on people without magical invisible stealth possible.
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing. Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm} Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely. {sighs} Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao.
Originally posted by berniebear Originally posted by zaxtor99 That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing. Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm} Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely. {sighs} Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao.- Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao. - Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
Have you really never played a shooter before? First-person or otherwise? It's not fixed as in an RTS; you see where you aim with your mouse. It's worked fine in many third-person shooters.
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao. - Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
I think you have misunderstood. You can aim up and down (as mentioned in the article), but you can't spin the camera around and look behind as your running forward.
I imagine it will play very similar to a FPS, but the camera will be just behind your head instead of inside your eyeballs.
Have you really never played a shooter before? First-person or otherwise? It's not fixed as in an RTS; you see where you aim with your mouse. It's worked fine in many third-person shooters. Kindly remove yourself from the internet, sir.
Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool. Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now! - Zaxx
I'm really not seeing much of a problem with a fixed camera. How I believe it'll work is it'll tilt with your character's head movement...I could be wrong and it's stuck in the air...But whatever, I'll leave my judgment until I try the beta...
And of course, your well thought out reply will include something like, "given a beta ever does happen" Well, no shit. But it's always good to keep a level head, and a slightly optimistic outlook. Otherwise people tend to post pessimistic, close-minded viewpoints on forums where no one really cares.
....And no one wants that.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao. - Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
1) Gianna's comments seemed pretty fair, actually. You're putting words in her mouth, especially the words "good" and "advanced", neither of which appeared in Part 2.
2) She expressed concen about how much of the surroundings once can see, especially for tall characters fighting shorter opponents. Likewise, she expressed concern that shorter races may have an advantage when fighting taller opponents.
3) There appears to be a veritcal camera axis. How else would you be able to aim up or down? As such, your concerns about the view while running up a hill seem unfounded. That being said, I, too, would like to know how they address this issue. Is it as simple as adjusting the camera automatically to changes in the terrain? Some games do this today.
Here are some pertinent quotes:
In 3rd person view the camera is pretty close to your character and it’s fixed, so you can’t mousewheel back until your character is tiny and you can see for twenty yards behind you. Your chance to spot other people is to actually turn and look. Period.
This is not all, though. If you happen to be a tall guy, like my ork, and you’re fighting someone shorter, like a goblin, you have to aim DOWN at the little fucker while he runs figure eights around you, which means that you have even less awareness of your surroundings. This particular thing is something that I dislike, just because it might give an advantage to dwarves and alfars - who can hack away at big guys’ ankles while enjoying the view at the same time. On the other hand, it would probably look strange if you could hit someone who barely reaches your chest by swinging at the air over his head, so I guess it makes sense the way it is now, it’s just that I find it annoying.
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao. - Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
The camera is fixed behind your character. Moves with the mouse cursor to where you're aiming, higher, lower, left and right. You are unable to move it seperately except when resting because it would give an advantage to meleers over assassin-types.
I can't guarantee that it works perfectly but it has been said before what it will be like and it's logical compared to the info we have about the game. Nothing unfixable and untweakable, and certainly not the biggest problem surrounding Darkfall.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Understood Rhinok, but my concerns about Darkfall are even greater seeing that Darkfall is trying to pull off even more now. To be a first person style of game, then the game engine needs to run VERY fast and smooth to provide for good game play, as in a first person shooter FPS. Could you imagine playing Halo 3 with slow character movement or extreme lag?
Okay, so they are trying to pull off a first person viewpoint where your move your mouse in the direction you are looking. I got that now. I never really studied all the promised features of Darkfall and how they plan to implement everything, but now I wonder about a million more little details, which is probably not answered yet.
See, this game certainly seems like it is trying to pull off way more then it can handle. It's trying to be a fast moving, skill based FPS style game that is also an mmo on a single server with 200 vs 200 player warefare as I've seen talked about several times on these forums already. It's trying to promise a million things and everyones favorite parts of a hundred thousand game style elements and put them all into this "sounds too good to be true" type of game.
But we can talk forever about what they are promising to be implemented in the game. What is actually going to happen when I install and play this game on my computer is where my real concerns are. My doctor can tell me that a pill I'm supposed to take tastes like moist, tender Chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy, and warm apple pie all in the same little pill. And his nurses that work with him, for him in his offices can tell me the same thing. But that don't mean I'm not gonna taste a chalky piece of crap pill when I put it in my mouth. (The nurses in his office being all the friends and people who put up reviews of this game from the offices or control of Aventurine)
Understood Rhinok, but my concerns about Darkfall are even greater seeing that Darkfall is trying to pull off even more now. To be a first person style of game, then the game engine needs to run VERY fast and smooth to provide for good game play, as in a first person shooter FPS. Could you imagine playing Halo 3 with slow character movement or extreme lag? Okay, so they are trying to pull off a first person viewpoint where your move your mouse in the direction you are looking. I got that now. I never really studied all the promised features of Darkfall and how they plan to implement everything, but now I wonder about a million more little details, which is probably not answered yet. See, this game certainly seems like it is trying to pull off way more then it can handle. It's trying to be a fast moving, skill based FPS style game that is also an mmo on a single server with 200 vs 200 player warefare as I've seen talked about several times on these forums already. It's trying to promise a million things and everyones favorite parts of a hundred thousand game style elements and put them all into this "sounds too good to be true" type of game. But we can talk forever about what they are promising to be implemented in the game. What is actually going to happen when I install and play this game on my computer is where my real concerns are. My doctor can tell me that a pill I'm supposed to take tastes like moist, tender Chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy, and warm apple pie all in the same little pill. And his nurses that work with him, for him in his offices can tell me the same thing. But that don't mean I'm not gonna taste a chalky piece of crap pill when I put it in my mouth. (The nurses in his office being all the friends and people who put up reviews of this game from the offices or control of Aventurine) - Zaxx
Honestly, sit back and try to enjoy the ride. If the something big is going to happen, it'll happen this month. There's no reason to get worked up about the "flaws" of a game you've not yet played, so just hold off until the beta. Go play some 360...Or something.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
In 3rd person view the camera is pretty close to your character and it’s fixed, so you can’t mousewheel back until your character is tiny and you can see for twenty yards behind you. Your chance to spot other people is to actually turn and look. Period.
This is not all, though. If you happen to be a tall guy, like my ork, and you’re fighting someone shorter, like a goblin, you have to aim DOWN at the little fucker while he runs figure eights around you, which means that you have even less awareness of your surroundings. This particular thing is something that I dislike, just because it might give an advantage to dwarves and alfars - who can hack away at big guys’ ankles while enjoying the view at the same time. On the other hand, it would probably look strange if you could hit someone who barely reaches your chest by swinging at the air over his head, so I guess it makes sense the way it is now, it’s just that I find it annoying. ~Ripper
DnD fixed this by reducing the movement speed of the shorter races (they do have shorter legs after all) and for some of the really big guys, slowing them down too. I honestly dont see a problem with this as it just adds a little more realism. Will there be a problem of shorter races ganking everyone in PvP? no...because if it does end up happening then everyone will just be looking down more often then up.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao. - Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
Oh wow, just had to register to reply to this one!
I won't call you a troll, because you are not a troll. But man, you're here... bashing a game you have no knowlegde about. You haven't read any of the features I see, and yet you're here thinking fixed camera (BTW here's thr quote, she didn't say the camera is fixed, but the mousewheel zoom is... So you failed right at the start "In 3rd person view the camera is pretty close to your character and it’s fixed, so you can’t mousewheel back until your character is tiny and you can see for twenty yards behind you. Your chance to spot other people is to actually turn and look. Period." Or did you even read the text, or just passed it like you did with Darkfall's main features?) is something you we had in Doom I, where you couldn't move your crosshair, just move your character and crosshair went with it.
I'm sorry, it's just funny. It's common knowledge not trying to be smart and bash something you know nothing about. It will just make you look like a fool, like you look like just now.
PS: I am a fanboy, but I am getting sceptic about release this year, sadly so. This preview we are getting from this girl seems to be the only thing we're getting for atleast a few days, so don't see Open Beta starting and ending in "Early december". But we shall wait!
Seemed to be a rather unbiased review to me. There were positive aspects to it but there were negative as well.
The camera view seemed pretty logical to me. It is alot like the camera worked when EQ first came out. You were in first person and you actually had to tilt up or down to see things above or below you. I always hated playing large characters in EQ because of that so it looks like it will be the same for me in Darkfall. Looks like Dwarf again.
I actually like that you cant scroll the camera back way behing you. That kind of defeats the purpose of a PVP game where someone can gank you at any time (not that i am a fan of ganking, i hate it).
True all we saw was goblins again. I too would like to see something a bit different. Are they still only allowing the BETA testers to get so high before they wipe them? This could explain the lack of other mobs a little. Perhaps they just dont have them all turned on, perhaps they figure that if you can fight a goblin and it works fighting a gnoll or lion or whatever will work pretty much the same.
Graphics still leave a bit to be desired but thats ok. Better to have a good game with fair graphics then a poor to fair game with great graphics.
Hopefully something more substantial will be coming out soon. December release is starting to look a bit unlikely but that is fine too. They can take as long as they want as long as the game is good when it does release. At least it looks like someone is actually playing a game called Darkfall so thats a good sign.
Yes, yes, i know, there were people playing Gods and Heroes too.
I really wish people would quit with the name calling. This isn't highschool and we should be able to conduct ourselves like mature people. Just because someone has a different opinon doesn't make them a troll or a fanboy. And you don't have to research a game to talk about it. Both sides need to stick to the discussion at hand and quit with this 9th grade bullshit namecalling. Now on the subject of the review, it was ok. Thos screenshots look pretty bad. Most likely due to the conversion. I really can't wait til this game comes out so people can quit thinking so highly about this game. It's not the second coming of christ and it sure isn't going to give you instant satisfaction. A lot of you are going to find out that DF is just another MMO and don't get mad when it happens. But DF will be released eventually, altho it does seem like another delay is coming.
I really wish people would quit with the name calling. This isn't highschool and we should be able to conduct ourselves like mature people. Just because someone has a different opinon doesn't make them a troll or a fanboy. And you don't have to research a game to talk about it. Both sides need to stick to the discussion at hand and quit with this 9th grade bullshit namecalling. Now on the subject of the review, it was ok. Thos screenshots look pretty bad. Most likely due to the conversion. I really can't wait til this game comes out so people can quit thinking so highly about this game. It's not the second coming of christ and it sure isn't going to give you instant satisfaction. A lot of you are going to find out that DF is just another MMO and don't get mad when it happens. But DF will be released eventually, altho it does seem like another delay is coming.
You do need to read up about the game if you're going to argue someone about a feature you know nothing about.
It's like little kids. Their parents tell them to eat their food, but the kid doesn't want to, because "It tastes bad!!" Yet, the kid haven't even tasted the food yet. The same scenario as zaxtor99 was giving us at the early parts of this thread.
"That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing."
"Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}"
He haven't read up about the game at all, one of the MAIN and most "HYPED" feature is the FPS gameplay.
And one of the reasons why you can't have freelook is the stealth machanics. I guess he didn't know either that Darkfall doesn't have magical stealth button, you have to sneak and use environment etc. to hide and sneak up to your target. Now how's this gooing to work if we can spin our camera's like a madman, giving no opportinity to someone to sneak up on us.
I really wish people would quit with the name calling. This isn't highschool and we should be able to conduct ourselves like mature people. Just because someone has a different opinon doesn't make them a troll or a fanboy. And you don't have to research a game to talk about it. Both sides need to stick to the discussion at hand and quit with this 9th grade bullshit namecalling. Now on the subject of the review, it was ok. Thos screenshots look pretty bad. Most likely due to the conversion. I really can't wait til this game comes out so people can quit thinking so highly about this game. It's not the second coming of christ and it sure isn't going to give you instant satisfaction. A lot of you are going to find out that DF is just another MMO and don't get mad when it happens. But DF will be released eventually, altho it does seem like another delay is coming.
You do need to read up about the game if you're going to argue someone about a feature you know nothing about.
It's like little kids. Their parents tell them to eat their food, but the kid doesn't want to, because "It tastes bad!!" Yet, the kid haven't even tasted the food yet. The same scenario as zaxtor99 was giving us at the early parts of this thread.
"That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing."
"Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}"
He haven't read up about the game at all, one of the MAIN and most "HYPED" feature is the FPS gameplay.
And one of the reasons why you can't have freelook is the stealth machanics. I guess he didn't know either that Darkfall doesn't have magical stealth button, you have to sneak and use environment etc. to hide and sneak up to your target. Now how's this gooing to work if we can spin our camera's like a madman, giving no opportinity to someone to sneak up on us.
Sorry but your wrong. Ever watch CSPAN? If not, then don't worry about it. Just know that your wrong.
I really wish people would quit with the name calling. This isn't highschool and we should be able to conduct ourselves like mature people. Just because someone has a different opinon doesn't make them a troll or a fanboy. And you don't have to research a game to talk about it. Both sides need to stick to the discussion at hand and quit with this 9th grade bullshit namecalling. Now on the subject of the review, it was ok. Thos screenshots look pretty bad. Most likely due to the conversion. I really can't wait til this game comes out so people can quit thinking so highly about this game. It's not the second coming of christ and it sure isn't going to give you instant satisfaction. A lot of you are going to find out that DF is just another MMO and don't get mad when it happens. But DF will be released eventually, altho it does seem like another delay is coming.
You do need to read up about the game if you're going to argue someone about a feature you know nothing about.
It's like little kids. Their parents tell them to eat their food, but the kid doesn't want to, because "It tastes bad!!" Yet, the kid haven't even tasted the food yet. The same scenario as zaxtor99 was giving us at the early parts of this thread.
"That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing."
"Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}"
He haven't read up about the game at all, one of the MAIN and most "HYPED" feature is the FPS gameplay.
And one of the reasons why you can't have freelook is the stealth machanics. I guess he didn't know either that Darkfall doesn't have magical stealth button, you have to sneak and use environment etc. to hide and sneak up to your target. Now how's this gooing to work if we can spin our camera's like a madman, giving no opportinity to someone to sneak up on us.
Sorry but your wrong. Ever watch CSPAN? If not, then don't worry about it. Just know that your wrong.
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Nice screenshot.
That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing.
Yep. I can see just a tad bit of bias in this review. {insert sarcasm}
Next this reviewer will tell us all that the game freezing up and crashing your PC is a good thing, because it means that every player has an even chance of standing there letting a player get revenge on his avatar who is stuck standing there helpless in the game while his previous victims come up and attack and kill him freely.
{sighs}
Sounds like a sales pitch of an unfinished, broken game to me. But yes, I am happy as hell this review isn't biased at all or anything! lmao.
- Zaxx
And once again ( as usual ) there are no mobs other than goblins.
This was a waste.
what? this isn't new news at all, they've always had a fixed camera and made that a clear feature... It's fps style combat, and it helps make sneaking up on people without magical invisible stealth possible.
*shrug*
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The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
Have you really never played a shooter before? First-person or otherwise? It's not fixed as in an RTS; you see where you aim with your mouse. It's worked fine in many third-person shooters.
Kindly remove yourself from the internet, sir.
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
I think you have misunderstood. You can aim up and down (as mentioned in the article), but you can't spin the camera around and look behind as your running forward.
I imagine it will play very similar to a FPS, but the camera will be just behind your head instead of inside your eyeballs.
[quote]Originally posted by Peith
Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}
- Zaxx
I'm really not seeing much of a problem with a fixed camera. How I believe it'll work is it'll tilt with your character's head movement...I could be wrong and it's stuck in the air...But whatever, I'll leave my judgment until I try the beta...
And of course, your well thought out reply will include something like, "given a beta ever does happen" Well, no shit. But it's always good to keep a level head, and a slightly optimistic outlook. Otherwise people tend to post pessimistic, close-minded viewpoints on forums where no one really cares.
....And no one wants that.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
1) Gianna's comments seemed pretty fair, actually. You're putting words in her mouth, especially the words "good" and "advanced", neither of which appeared in Part 2.
2) She expressed concen about how much of the surroundings once can see, especially for tall characters fighting shorter opponents. Likewise, she expressed concern that shorter races may have an advantage when fighting taller opponents.
3) There appears to be a veritcal camera axis. How else would you be able to aim up or down? As such, your concerns about the view while running up a hill seem unfounded. That being said, I, too, would like to know how they address this issue. Is it as simple as adjusting the camera automatically to changes in the terrain? Some games do this today.
Here are some pertinent quotes:
In 3rd person view the camera is pretty close to your character and it’s fixed, so you can’t mousewheel back until your character is tiny and you can see for twenty yards behind you. Your chance to spot other people is to actually turn and look. Period.
This is not all, though. If you happen to be a tall guy, like my ork, and you’re fighting someone shorter, like a goblin, you have to aim DOWN at the little fucker while he runs figure eights around you, which means that you have even less awareness of your surroundings. This particular thing is something that I dislike, just because it might give an advantage to dwarves and alfars - who can hack away at big guys’ ankles while enjoying the view at the same time. On the other hand, it would probably look strange if you could hit someone who barely reaches your chest by swinging at the air over his head, so I guess it makes sense the way it is now, it’s just that I find it annoying.
~Ripper
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
The camera is fixed behind your character. Moves with the mouse cursor to where you're aiming, higher, lower, left and right. You are unable to move it seperately except when resting because it would give an advantage to meleers over assassin-types.
I can't guarantee that it works perfectly but it has been said before what it will be like and it's logical compared to the info we have about the game. Nothing unfixable and untweakable, and certainly not the biggest problem surrounding Darkfall.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Understood Rhinok, but my concerns about Darkfall are even greater seeing that Darkfall is trying to pull off even more now. To be a first person style of game, then the game engine needs to run VERY fast and smooth to provide for good game play, as in a first person shooter FPS. Could you imagine playing Halo 3 with slow character movement or extreme lag?
Okay, so they are trying to pull off a first person viewpoint where your move your mouse in the direction you are looking. I got that now. I never really studied all the promised features of Darkfall and how they plan to implement everything, but now I wonder about a million more little details, which is probably not answered yet.
See, this game certainly seems like it is trying to pull off way more then it can handle. It's trying to be a fast moving, skill based FPS style game that is also an mmo on a single server with 200 vs 200 player warefare as I've seen talked about several times on these forums already. It's trying to promise a million things and everyones favorite parts of a hundred thousand game style elements and put them all into this "sounds too good to be true" type of game.
But we can talk forever about what they are promising to be implemented in the game. What is actually going to happen when I install and play this game on my computer is where my real concerns are. My doctor can tell me that a pill I'm supposed to take tastes like moist, tender Chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy, and warm apple pie all in the same little pill. And his nurses that work with him, for him in his offices can tell me the same thing. But that don't mean I'm not gonna taste a chalky piece of crap pill when I put it in my mouth. (The nurses in his office being all the friends and people who put up reviews of this game from the offices or control of Aventurine)
- Zaxx
Honestly, sit back and try to enjoy the ride. If the something big is going to happen, it'll happen this month. There's no reason to get worked up about the "flaws" of a game you've not yet played, so just hold off until the beta. Go play some 360...Or something.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
DnD fixed this by reducing the movement speed of the shorter races (they do have shorter legs after all) and for some of the really big guys, slowing them down too. I honestly dont see a problem with this as it just adds a little more realism. Will there be a problem of shorter races ganking everyone in PvP? no...because if it does end up happening then everyone will just be looking down more often then up.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
The infinite tears of a troll
Call me as you wish. But just stop and think for a minute here. A "fixed" camera that cannot be adjusted. How fantastic will this work? First we have to assume that we actually ever play this game. So here we are with the camera fixed in a position that shows us an angle that works fine and shows what we want to see right in front of us. Cool.
Then we start to move and move up or down a slope. Now imagine this un-adjustable camera in its fixed position either showing us the sky or the ground and we cannot adjust it to see anything. Not anything behind us, nor anything in front of us. Truly advanced alright. Sounds like great fun, I can hardly wait to play now!
- Zaxx
Oh wow, just had to register to reply to this one!
I won't call you a troll, because you are not a troll. But man, you're here... bashing a game you have no knowlegde about. You haven't read any of the features I see, and yet you're here thinking fixed camera (BTW here's thr quote, she didn't say the camera is fixed, but the mousewheel zoom is... So you failed right at the start "In 3rd person view the camera is pretty close to your character and it’s fixed, so you can’t mousewheel back until your character is tiny and you can see for twenty yards behind you. Your chance to spot other people is to actually turn and look. Period." Or did you even read the text, or just passed it like you did with Darkfall's main features?) is something you we had in Doom I, where you couldn't move your crosshair, just move your character and crosshair went with it.
I'm sorry, it's just funny. It's common knowledge not trying to be smart and bash something you know nothing about. It will just make you look like a fool, like you look like just now.
PS: I am a fanboy, but I am getting sceptic about release this year, sadly so. This preview we are getting from this girl seems to be the only thing we're getting for atleast a few days, so don't see Open Beta starting and ending in "Early december". But we shall wait!
Gianna did a 3A beta nda lifted review written in unbiased and classy humorous style.. i am certain the game looks exaclty as she described.
as long as the usuall trolls are concerned... why do you even bother talking to them?
Seemed to be a rather unbiased review to me. There were positive aspects to it but there were negative as well.
The camera view seemed pretty logical to me. It is alot like the camera worked when EQ first came out. You were in first person and you actually had to tilt up or down to see things above or below you. I always hated playing large characters in EQ because of that so it looks like it will be the same for me in Darkfall. Looks like Dwarf again.
I actually like that you cant scroll the camera back way behing you. That kind of defeats the purpose of a PVP game where someone can gank you at any time (not that i am a fan of ganking, i hate it).
True all we saw was goblins again. I too would like to see something a bit different. Are they still only allowing the BETA testers to get so high before they wipe them? This could explain the lack of other mobs a little. Perhaps they just dont have them all turned on, perhaps they figure that if you can fight a goblin and it works fighting a gnoll or lion or whatever will work pretty much the same.
Graphics still leave a bit to be desired but thats ok. Better to have a good game with fair graphics then a poor to fair game with great graphics.
Hopefully something more substantial will be coming out soon. December release is starting to look a bit unlikely but that is fine too. They can take as long as they want as long as the game is good when it does release. At least it looks like someone is actually playing a game called Darkfall so thats a good sign.
Yes, yes, i know, there were people playing Gods and Heroes too.
I really wish people would quit with the name calling. This isn't highschool and we should be able to conduct ourselves like mature people. Just because someone has a different opinon doesn't make them a troll or a fanboy. And you don't have to research a game to talk about it. Both sides need to stick to the discussion at hand and quit with this 9th grade bullshit namecalling. Now on the subject of the review, it was ok. Thos screenshots look pretty bad. Most likely due to the conversion. I really can't wait til this game comes out so people can quit thinking so highly about this game. It's not the second coming of christ and it sure isn't going to give you instant satisfaction. A lot of you are going to find out that DF is just another MMO and don't get mad when it happens. But DF will be released eventually, altho it does seem like another delay is coming.
You do need to read up about the game if you're going to argue someone about a feature you know nothing about.
It's like little kids. Their parents tell them to eat their food, but the kid doesn't want to, because "It tastes bad!!" Yet, the kid haven't even tasted the food yet. The same scenario as zaxtor99 was giving us at the early parts of this thread.
"That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing."
"Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}"
He haven't read up about the game at all, one of the MAIN and most "HYPED" feature is the FPS gameplay.
And one of the reasons why you can't have freelook is the stealth machanics. I guess he didn't know either that Darkfall doesn't have magical stealth button, you have to sneak and use environment etc. to hide and sneak up to your target. Now how's this gooing to work if we can spin our camera's like a madman, giving no opportinity to someone to sneak up on us.
It seems like Ill finally want to play a stealthy type in this game, although I always play casters.
playing: darkfall
waiting: earthrise
You do need to read up about the game if you're going to argue someone about a feature you know nothing about.
It's like little kids. Their parents tell them to eat their food, but the kid doesn't want to, because "It tastes bad!!" Yet, the kid haven't even tasted the food yet. The same scenario as zaxtor99 was giving us at the early parts of this thread.
"That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing."
"Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}"
He haven't read up about the game at all, one of the MAIN and most "HYPED" feature is the FPS gameplay.
And one of the reasons why you can't have freelook is the stealth machanics. I guess he didn't know either that Darkfall doesn't have magical stealth button, you have to sneak and use environment etc. to hide and sneak up to your target. Now how's this gooing to work if we can spin our camera's like a madman, giving no opportinity to someone to sneak up on us.
Sorry but your wrong. Ever watch CSPAN? If not, then don't worry about it. Just know that your wrong.
You do need to read up about the game if you're going to argue someone about a feature you know nothing about.
It's like little kids. Their parents tell them to eat their food, but the kid doesn't want to, because "It tastes bad!!" Yet, the kid haven't even tasted the food yet. The same scenario as zaxtor99 was giving us at the early parts of this thread.
"That's great. They have a fixed camera where you can't see shit and don't want to make it adjustable at all, so somehow this is now a good thing."
"Ohhh, so Darkfall is an FPS now huh? {sarcastic thumbs up}"
He haven't read up about the game at all, one of the MAIN and most "HYPED" feature is the FPS gameplay.
And one of the reasons why you can't have freelook is the stealth machanics. I guess he didn't know either that Darkfall doesn't have magical stealth button, you have to sneak and use environment etc. to hide and sneak up to your target. Now how's this gooing to work if we can spin our camera's like a madman, giving no opportinity to someone to sneak up on us.
Sorry but your wrong. Ever watch CSPAN? If not, then don't worry about it. Just know that your wrong.
No, you're wrong. Accept it.