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  • Ngeldu5tNgeldu5t Member UncommonPosts: 608
    Originally posted by IKShadow

    Originally posted by Rohn



    Personally, I think a lot of people will play through bugs and tech issues, if the game itself is fun and looks like it is worth playing over the long term.  People know that bugs will eventually be fixed, but bad game design rarely is.

     

    Thats probably the reason why a lot of players stayed with the game. By a lot I mean same numbers that play Lotro online, Eve Online and other games that are not WoW.

    When masses joins the game the fact is they look something WoW like when they dont get it they leave, just watch for that trend in all upcoming games. This year we saw it in AoC and WaR next year there will be some new games with same problem.

     

    Personally I hope AoC will never become mainstream MMO with more then a milion players as then you need to make imo dumb decisions game mechanic wise to keep them entertained aka game should be more wowish.  ( dont get me wrong nothing wrong with WoW if you like that kind of games )

    I for one know that even when i quit playing AoC I wont go for auto attack boring same old same old combat system ...



    Well things are changing slowly and more and more developers will try to provide alternatives how combat should work ( like Chronicles of Spellborn, Mortal Online, Darkfall .. well if its not ..., Earth rise etc... )

     



     

    That's the main problem of today's market,whenever a new game hits the market,the mass is expecting to play another WoW and if it's not the case they just spit their hatred out in forums.It looks that the new gen of MMO players have been formatted to play only one style...The WoW way.

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  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692

    I refer to my prior post.

     

    I also add that making games is a catch 22.

     

    Either you make the game different, knowing the majority is not going to be interested and gambleon the hopes that you can get a smaller yet loyal group of players.

     

    Or you can makea clone game and hope to revise things in a way that makes it easier for people to access the game and just run with it, hoping that you can pullenough people away from their current games with a product that might easily get labeled a 'half-assed clone'.

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  • sanskritsanskrit Member UncommonPosts: 95

    The great failure of AOC was that FC had within its grasp almost the entire serious guild based MMO market. The population was there, the guilds were there... and they blew it. Not for lack of content, bugs, performance, lag, but by unintelligent design. Serious guilds with lots of members on vent see things like the following and hit the exits fast:

    1. A mindless resource gathering system for city advancement, which all crafting in AOC hinges on. The game is supposed to be a game of combat and plunder. I wonder how many copies a Conan novel would have sold in which the main plotline involved Conan fending off hostiles while trying to whack an oak tree 10,000 times to build a keep? The remedy would have been to make resource gathering plunder based and add in siege/pvp based UPKEEP to easily built structures.

    2. A linear sieging system requiring too many players online at once. Even 6 y.o. Shadowbane lets players plant siege engines where they want to and structure attacks how they want to. AOC sieging should have been smaller structures attackable by smaller groups of players in various ways, not mega huge battlekeeps with linear siege engine placement. 48 man sieges was great for marketing, but never played out. Even ahead of the curve machines could not handle that much.

    3. Nose picking, completely linear dungeon raids. Serious players are tired of having half their abilities disabled or worse against super boss mobs at the end of the same ole tunnel and having to figure out the proper completely linear single way to learn to farm the mob. The EQ gear grind model served its purpose, but it is PLAYED OUT.

    4. Weak, uncreative arena system. Instead of the bland, paltry few maps they put into the minigames, they should have put in a GW style random/small team arena from the start. By the time they eventually got the pvp patch out, the people who did play the minis were sick of the thoroughly unimaginative maps.

    5. Cataclysmic gameworld changes. The totally fubar way they implemented the gem system and deimplemented it, without which the crafting system becomes meaningless was the most boneheaded move I've ever seen in a game. You don't set out a goal for players, watch them grind for the goal, then totally remove it. This screams bad faith and rewards the casual scrub players who are still hanging on in AOC. All the good players are gone with the wind after being treated like idiots.

    6. Gear grind. After swearing up and down that the game would not be a gear grind, they did exactly that with the pvp patch. I calculated that based on my server pop (Set) and participation in minigames, that it would take 800 hours of pvp to get the LEVEL FIVE gear of a ten level progression. Absurd. They should have let people get the gear easily and then grind for small customizations in either marginal modifications or custom appearance ala GW. Ironically, this will keep LOTS of people from resubbing,as the Pvp gear is demonstrably better than anything elsewhere for pvp, and gives a very significant advantage. What gamer in their right mind would resub to a game for pvp and try to compete with already geared out toons for eons to get just the basic pvp gear? Either a scrub or someone not too bright.

    Eh that's enough, but I could go on and on and on. None of the above has changed in AOC and it is most certainly not "freakin awesome now" for anyone other than a noobie gamer...

  • Ngeldu5tNgeldu5t Member UncommonPosts: 608
    Originally posted by sanskrit


     What gamer in their right mind would resub to a game for pvp and try to compete with already geared out toons for eons to get just the basic pvp gear? Either a scrub or someone not too bright.
     

    If I follow your logic on this statement,does it mean that it's useless for a new player to try the game as he will be too noob equipped to fight? So games such as EvE Online should shut down because  new players won`t be able to fight  vets?

    In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    I played the game at launch and ofcourse there was alot of issues. Today the game has done almost a complete 100% turn around. Hardly any lag, haven't seen any bugs and everything seems to be working right. Just rolled a conqueror yesterday and already level 24. It has been a ton of fun so far and still plenty of fun ahead. Can't wait to get to the upper tier content :)

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  • GiveMePvPGiveMePvP Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by SaintViktor


    I played the game at launch and ofcourse there was alot of issues. Today the game has done almost a complete 100% turn around. Hardly any lag, haven't seen any bugs and everything seems to be working right. Just rolled a conqueror yesterday and already level 24. It has been a ton of fun so far and still plenty of fun ahead. Can't wait to get to the upper tier content :)

     

    They've only fixed most of the technical issues. The haven't done "almost a complete 100% turn around". For that they need to add a lot more content and most importantly, make the game FUN.

  • CrashloopCrashloop Member Posts: 885
    Originally posted by GiveMePvP

    Originally posted by SaintViktor


    I played the game at launch and ofcourse there was alot of issues. Today the game has done almost a complete 100% turn around. Hardly any lag, haven't seen any bugs and everything seems to be working right. Just rolled a conqueror yesterday and already level 24. It has been a ton of fun so far and still plenty of fun ahead. Can't wait to get to the upper tier content :)

     

    They've only fixed most of the technical issues. The haven't done "almost a complete 100% turn around". For that they need to add a lot more content and most importantly, make the game FUN.

    I actually find the game a lot of fun with the recent combat changes. Bear shamn lost it OP feeling, we are still very good, but we are no longer the walking gods we used to be. Combat feels better and faster due to shorter combo's, CC can be used effectively, contentwise the game has improved tons in the levels of 1-67, and we are getting more content for the remaining levels the next patches. Technicly the game is a lot better, lots of bugs removed, OOM fixed etc etc. Still some way to go to be where it should be by now, but the last 3 months there has been some proper improvements of the game.

    Out of curiosity when did you play the last time? And more important what would they have to do to make the game fun for you?

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  • ThunderousThunderous Member Posts: 1,152

    There threads are hilarious.  Obscure poster with low post count comes in and declares he tried the game but wasn't very impressed.  THEN he has been playing the other game (in this case WAR) and wasn't overly impressed.  THEN he came back to AoC and suddenly is it AMAZING!

    Everything about it rocks.  Total 180.  It's uber cool..  He is level 10 and is participating in guild battles and all sorts of cool things...  Those of us who took the time to level up in AoC know that you're in Tortage until level 20 so mostly what you are reading is likely complete BS.

    AoC isn't the worst game I have ever played but it certainly isn't "AWESOME" or "AMAZING" by any standards.  The graphics are good, the combat is decent, and that's about it.  There is a reason it lost about 75% - 80% of the subscribers within 6 months of release, and those reasons aren't because it is "AWESOME" or "AMAZING"...

    Viral marketering knows no bounds it seems.

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  • GiveMePvPGiveMePvP Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by Crashloop



    Out of curiosity when did you play the last time? And more important what would they have to do to make the game fun for you?

     

    I quit Age of Conan about a week ago after playing it for many months since beta. Last couple of months I had to force myself to go online because endgame was so boring.

    Like I've said before, to make the game fun for me they need to add some kind of meaningful endgame pvp. Guild ladder system or something. Siege battles were a huge disappointment and I don't consider ganking in Kheshatta endgame pvp.

  • GiveMePvPGiveMePvP Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by Thunderous


    There threads are hilarious.  Obscure poster with low post count comes in and declares he tried the game but wasn't very impressed.  THEN he has been playing the other game (in this case WAR) and wasn't overly impressed.  THEN he came back to AoC and suddenly is it AMAZING!
    Everything about it rocks.  Total 180.  It's uber cool..  He is level 10 and is participating in guild battles and all sorts of cool things...  Those of us who took the time to level up in AoC know that you're in Tortage until level 20 so mostly what you are reading is likely complete BS.
    AoC isn't the worst game I have ever played but it certainly isn't "AWESOME" or "AMAZING" by any standards.  The graphics are good, the combat is decent, and that's about it.  There is a reason it lost about 75% - 80% of the subscribers within 6 months of release, and those reasons aren't because it is "AWESOME" or "AMAZING"...
    Viral marketering knows no bounds it seems.

     

    We are going to see a lot more of these viral marketing threads this month. December is the month when the future of AoC is decided so they are doing all they can to get more subs. Expect to see many threads like:

    "I just resubcsribed and the game is AMAZING!"

    "Got bored with WAR and I came back to AoC. WOW!!"

    "This is a totally NEW game now! Thanks Funcom!!"

    "I came back to AoC. Servers are booming and I'm having so much FUN!"

    "I just resubscribed and you should too! The game is PERFECT now!"

    "AoC is freakin awesome now!"  (oh wait, they used that one already..)

    etc.

  • TjommisTjommis Member UncommonPosts: 225

    Your paranoia and theories of conspiracy atleast provides me with a good laugh

    Oh, and one more thing. I was last online on thuesday. Then I met 3 lvl 80ies I had not seen for 2-3 months which had returned. Allthough ofcourse, they are FC employees, only returned to give impression of people returning

  • TongehTongeh Member UncommonPosts: 9

    or could you be the opposite like me.. years as a member and not even ten posts to my name! 

     

     

     

     

     

    (yes i'm one of those creepy guys that watches you sleep  )

  • GiveMePvPGiveMePvP Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by Tjommis


    Your paranoia and theories of conspiracy atleast provides me with a good laugh
    Oh, and one more thing. I was last online on thuesday. Then I met 3 lvl 80ies I had not seen for 2-3 months which had returned. Allthough ofcourse, they are FC employees, only returned to give impression of people returning

     

    I'm glad I made you laugh. Humor is very important and we shouldn't take this forum too seriously.

    Wow, you met total of THREE lvl 80ies that had returned to AoC?! This is great news! I recommend you start a new thread about it. This doesn't mean anything. Last week 5 of my friends quit AoC. Does this mean 3 - 5 = -2? So they lost 2 subscriptions?

    By the way.. regarding those conspiracy theories.. you should be careful not to post too many "Funcom damage control" posts. You are elite member with 100% positive posts about FC and AoC, and where are you from? Well, Oslo, Norway of course! Just next to FC headquarters.

    Now I'm not saying you work for FC but some people here might think so. We've had too many people from Oslo, Norway telling how the game is AWESOME and PERFECT so it's natural people are getting suspicious.

  • RenessaRenessa Member Posts: 79
    Originally posted by GiveMePvP

    Originally posted by Tjommis


    Your paranoia and theories of conspiracy atleast provides me with a good laugh
    Oh, and one more thing. I was last online on thuesday. Then I met 3 lvl 80ies I had not seen for 2-3 months which had returned. Allthough ofcourse, they are FC employees, only returned to give impression of people returning

     

    I'm glad I made you laugh. Humor is very important and we shouldn't take this forum too seriously.

    Wow, you met total of THREE lvl 80ies that had returned to AoC?! This is great news! I recommend you start a new thread about it. This doesn't mean anything. Last week 5 of my friends quit AoC. Does this mean 3 - 5 = -2? So they lost 2 subscriptions?

    By the way.. regarding those conspiracy theories.. you should be careful not to post too many "Funcom damage control" posts. You are elite member with 100% positive posts about FC and AoC, and where are you from? Well, Oslo, Norway of course! Just next to FC headquarters.

    Now I'm not saying you work for FC but some people here might think so. We've had too many people from Oslo, Norway telling how the game is AWESOME and PERFECT so it's natural people are getting suspicious.



     

    Woah, I found this really funny, comming from you, Scaredgirl... erm, I mean, GiveMePvP.

  • xaldraxiusxaldraxius Member Posts: 1,249

    All content of this thread aside.

    In response to the thread tittle: No it is not.

    I could elaborate on why it is not, but I'm not going to. Suffice it to say that it is pretty much what it has always been.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690
    Originally posted by GiveMePvP

    Originally posted by SaintViktor


    I played the game at launch and ofcourse there was alot of issues. Today the game has done almost a complete 100% turn around. Hardly any lag, haven't seen any bugs and everything seems to be working right. Just rolled a conqueror yesterday and already level 24. It has been a ton of fun so far and still plenty of fun ahead. Can't wait to get to the upper tier content :)

     

    They've only fixed most of the technical issues. The haven't done "almost a complete 100% turn around". For that they need to add a lot more content and most importantly, make the game FUN.



     

    Technically the game runs a heck of a lot better than what we seen at launch. I'm not going to disagree and say the game could use more content right now but for some tomorrow isn't fast enough so to speak. Though if you don't think the game is fun then I guess you are not playing anymore ? Either way people will be suprised how well the game runs now and more content will eventually be there.

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  • GiveMePvPGiveMePvP Member Posts: 240
    Originally posted by SaintViktor




    Technically the game runs a heck of a lot better than what we seen at launch. I'm not going to disagree and say the game could use more content right now but for some tomorrow isn't fast enough so to speak. Though if you don't think the game is fun then I guess you are not playing anymore ? Either way people will be suprised how well the game runs now and more content will eventually be there.

    Yea, me and my friends quit last week because of lack of endgame content. Stability and bugs never bothered me in the first place so I'm not too exited about FC fixing them. I just want content.

    I'll probably be back if they one day introduce some kind of ladder system or do something else to make the endgame fun.

     

  • sanskritsanskrit Member UncommonPosts: 95
    Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

    Originally posted by sanskrit


     What gamer in their right mind would resub to a game for pvp and try to compete with already geared out toons for eons to get just the basic pvp gear? Either a scrub or someone not too bright.
     

    If I follow your logic on this statement,does it mean that it's useless for a new player to try the game as he will be too noob equipped to fight? So games such as EvE Online should shut down because  new players won`t be able to fight  vets?



     

    I have not played Eve, but my understanding is that the basic pvp setup is not difficult to achieve. In AOC, the basic pvp gear currently requires hundreds of played hours to acquire and offers a significant advantage. 100s of hours grinding for what is supposed to be a "basic" set doesn't make sense.

  • UnfinishedUnfinished Member Posts: 881
    Originally posted by SaintViktor



     Either way people will be suprised how well the game runs now and more content will eventually be there.

     

    Yup it  took FC about 2 years to flesh out Anarchy Online to a playable, mostly fun state. Seems like all the claims that they learned a big lesson from that launch were vastly overstated.

  • CrashloopCrashloop Member Posts: 885
    Originally posted by Unfinished

    Originally posted by SaintViktor



     Either way people will be suprised how well the game runs now and more content will eventually be there.

     

    Yup it  took FC about 2 years to flesh out Anarchy Online to a playable, mostly fun state. Seems like all the claims that they learned a big lesson from that launch were vastly overstated.

     

    The things that has destroyed the most for funcom is actually one person, he screwed up AO and he screwed up AoC and funcom's reputation. Suddenly he decided to do something else, or in other words the board kicked him. :P

    Gaute had some very good ideas, but he should never be allowed to open his mouth when it comes to marketing. That guy is a disatser waiting to happen, he praised how awesome AoC was even tho everyone knew that was bullshit, he did his job tho, by trtying to save the stock prices and keep people's hopes up, too bad he failed totally at realising that the players wanted solid facts not a bunch of mumbo jumbo that never happened.

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  • endzoendzo Member Posts: 68

    Thanks for the info i will be getting back soon what g card does your pc have? i bought this 8600 herd it doesnt lag if you play at high detail and got the ram 4g

  • Syno23Syno23 Member UncommonPosts: 1,360

    Yes, it is an awesome game

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