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Have you lost faith in Mythic?
Shard101
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I have lost faith in Mythic as a competent development team when it comes to MMO's with PVP (RVR).
I blame MJ for this but, most will not agree with me.
Flame away.
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not really...why would I?
Haven't lost faith in Mythic... however... Mark Jacobs needs to fall down a well and never be found.
why is everyone mad at MJ? I must have missed something.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes, because while they're listening to the community somewhat, it's a different community than the one that made them. A different one than the one they turned their back on and abandoned to make the cashout that is WAR.
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
EAT ME MMORPG.com!
I was wondering about this too. What I've seen from MJ has only been good.
Anyway I think Mythic has done an exemplary job so far, so I can only say my faith has strengthened. One of the best launches in MMO history, relatively low amount of bugs (simliar to WoW's level when it launched) and an impressive amount of content at all tiers, even at end game where pretty much all MMOs usually start running out of things to do. The game continues to get noticeable better as well. All in all a very promising start, and giving how progress is being made, the future is looking bright.
No fault of your own, but yea, there were a few forum postings that you must have missed if you still think highly of MJ. I wont make a long post because I have already done that in past about MJ's lack of professionalism, which, totally off subject, Tasos Flambouras of Darkfall seems to imitate in a more aggressive manner.
A few examples:
-The announement that GOA will, once again, be Mythic's representive of the European gaming branch.
-The handling of open beta/pre ordered accounts.
-The collector's edition crowd that learned right before open beta, that those that pre-ordered the standard edition would also be granted open beta.
-The handling of beta codes
-The lack of official forums which Mythich is now fixing. Maybe they pay attention to mmorpg.com and ME.
Anywho, I have seen MJ committ mistakes, and yet, also correct mistake, just like how he put out a formal statement disapproving GOA of their actions after they messed up during the first day of open beta for warhammer. Im meh, no longer a fan, yet willing to come back to Mythic if something GRAND happens.
Any chance you could link to some of the postings? Would like to see some examples.
How Mythic can continue to allow GOA manage their game in the EU is beyond me.
There is an obivious problem at GOA and they are not fit to manage a game of this scale in the EU.
And since Mythic is not addressing this issue and allowing its EU player base suffer under the hands of these incompetents they have lost my faith too.
I've come to the conclusion that GOA must have kidnapped Mark Jacobs' grandmother or something. That is the only way Mythic can consistently turn a blind eye to GOA's unfathomable incompetence.
From my experience, GOA *has* improved. It's lightyears ahead with WAR than how it was with DAoC. I left DAoC Europe because of GOA. I knew people rerolling beloved characters when they got stuck and couldn't get any CSR to get them unstuck thanks to no ingame support. I was harassed a few times on Prydwynn by someone and couldn't get any help. Only 2 English blue servers, one which had lots of instability issues (Excal), strict rules pertaining to logins and passwords, ease of being hacked, very little support for British payment methods, etc etc.
GOA went from being one of the worst companies I've ever had to deal with to being mediocre :P
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
No fault of your own, but yea, there were a few forum postings that you must have missed if you still think highly of MJ. I wont make a long post because I have already done that in past about MJ's lack of professionalism, which, totally off subject, Tasos Flambouras of Darkfall seems to imitate in a more aggressive manner.
A few examples:
-The announement that GOA will, once again, be Mythic's representive of the European gaming branch.
-The handling of open beta/pre ordered accounts.
-The collector's edition crowd that learned right before open beta, that those that pre-ordered the standard edition would also be granted open beta.
-The handling of beta codes
-The lack of official forums which Mythich is now fixing. Maybe they pay attention to mmorpg.com and ME.
Anywho, I have seen MJ committ mistakes, and yet, also correct mistake, just like how he put out a formal statement disapproving GOA of their actions after they messed up during the first day of open beta for warhammer. Im meh, no longer a fan, yet willing to come back to Mythic if something GRAND happens.
Oh dear
May I humble suggest you move on, whilst I accept those points, it is water under the bridge now, surely.
Why would we lose face in Mythic when they are improving the game, day by day. Ok, would be nice if the game was perfect from the start, but lets not deminish the achievement of a game that has a lot going for it, and the positive aspect far outwiegh the negative issues. Its a bit like when you vote for a party, there is a whole continum of issues and positions, but when it comes down to it, there really is a only a choice of a few MMO, particularly if you are into RvR/PvP.
So rather than yet another Mythic/WAR slag off thread with vague whining about the MD (who few of us actually have met I suspect), how about some constructive criticism to improve the game. it is clear that Mythic is listen to its player base. And if you don't like the game, and don't want to play it, fine, but please go and post in a forum about a game you like, there is far too much un-specified 'WAR is rubbish' threads here.
No fault of your own, but yea, there were a few forum postings that you must have missed if you still think highly of MJ. I wont make a long post because I have already done that in past about MJ's lack of professionalism, which, totally off subject, Tasos Flambouras of Darkfall seems to imitate in a more aggressive manner.
A few examples:
-The announement that GOA will, once again, be Mythic's representive of the European gaming branch.
-The handling of open beta/pre ordered accounts.
-The collector's edition crowd that learned right before open beta, that those that pre-ordered the standard edition would also be granted open beta.
-The handling of beta codes
-The lack of official forums which Mythich is now fixing. Maybe they pay attention to mmorpg.com and ME.
Anywho, I have seen MJ committ mistakes, and yet, also correct mistake, just like how he put out a formal statement disapproving GOA of their actions after they messed up during the first day of open beta for warhammer. Im meh, no longer a fan, yet willing to come back to Mythic if something GRAND happens.
No offense but those excuses sound ilke just that..excuses..a reason to dislike someone. Long stretched excuses at that. Honestly ..let me just say this flat out the excuses are the lamest ones I've Ever Heard. Yea a few people were pissed but most didn't care they still got MORE than the standard edtion pre orders, there was no problem with the open beta / pre ordered accoutns except in EU but honestly what do you expect. You can't blame MJ for that.....if the laws weren't so stupidly retarded EU wouldn't have to have GOA In charge. Sorry who gives a fucking crap about Official Forums anyone tahts familiar with Mythic already fully expected this and everyone else is just the Cry Baby whiner set thats continued to make every Online Forum for every game completely worthless drivel.
MJ & Mythic have made mistakes but who's to say that they haven't? Everyone does and being secure in who they are they've been working hard to do right by gamers but like always there's always a bunch of whiner babies who haven't learned to grow up & move on.
I've come to the conclusion that GOA must have kidnapped Mark Jacobs' grandmother or something. That is the only way Mythic can consistently turn a blind eye to GOA's unfathomable incompetence.
Who do you think they should of gone with? There aren't exactly alot of companies that do what they do. HEll it was them or Codemasters and I hear tons of people bitching about them too so it seems the Fault seems to be with European incompetence with running games across the board. Maybe you all should gather up and revolt on all European game handling companies and egg their offices or atleast protest / take it to government courts instead of blaming the people who have no choice but to choose between "crap and crappier" for companies.
I never had any faith in them to begin with,so i guess i can't lose what i never had?
They really sunk a deep hole with me ,in there early videos showing off there game.There staff acted incredibly immature,so much so i was turned right off by there team.The game itself could have been great,i was still not going to play it because of how they acted.I thought i was entering WOW in the noob zone for the first time.PVP oriented game?no chance to be a winner other than to select few PVP mongers.
They mentioned they were going to streamline down crafting[you mean dumb down] for the good of the game ,lol yep i was uninterested in a real big way ,right away.
Developers like this have a SMALL VISION.they came up with this RvR idea and went with it.A MMORPG should be about an adventure,you feel like you are in a unique world full of excitmment and exploration.Players want to feel like they are experiencing a movie like environment,these single handed PVP schemes are NEVER going to cut it,not when you place the MMORPG title on it.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I've come to the conclusion that GOA must have kidnapped Mark Jacobs' grandmother or something. That is the only way Mythic can consistently turn a blind eye to GOA's unfathomable incompetence.
Who do you think they should of gone with? There aren't exactly alot of companies that do what they do. HEll it was them or Codemasters and I hear tons of people bitching about them too so it seems the Fault seems to be with European incompetence with running games across the board. Maybe you all should gather up and revolt on all European game handling companies and egg their offices or atleast protest / take it to government courts instead of blaming the people who have no choice but to choose between "crap and crappier" for companies.
Who do the big boys go with?
By that i mean WOW and EQ2. As far as i know they go with themselves.
Mythic is not new to this game, they had DAoC, they saw how GOA performed then and still decided to go with them simply cause they said that they will do better. Well they didnt do better and have let Mythic down.
Although do you not think that if Mythic wants to compete with the big boys (or even if they dont actually)it should have its own reps here, like Mythic Europe?
I think Mythic would have liked to have their own offices in Europe. The reason they didn't is most likely because they didn't have the money necessary for it. Due to this they were forces to rely on a partner such as GOA. GOA has obviously improved a lot since DAoC, so it could be worse.
Why didnt EA bank roll Mythics expansion in to the EU, they could have used some of the money they make on their yearly release of sports sims!
no because they have shown me that they listen to the community by making a general forum, fixing most of the bugs and crashes, and implementing things into the game that ppl wanted
While I like the response to issues that Mythic is making it also concerns me. For all the changes they plan on making it really highlights just how out of touch not only the game was, but the company running the game. I don't get the feeling that their process is anything but reactionary at this point. It seems that so many of their business and game design decisions up this point were just so far off the mark that I cannot look at them now and think, yes I believe they know what they are doing and they will turn things around.
It might be EA, Mythic, the top leaders or the entire game design team, I just don't know.
I've come to the conclusion that GOA must have kidnapped Mark Jacobs' grandmother or something. That is the only way Mythic can consistently turn a blind eye to GOA's unfathomable incompetence.
Who do you think they should of gone with? There aren't exactly alot of companies that do what they do. HEll it was them or Codemasters and I hear tons of people bitching about them too so it seems the Fault seems to be with European incompetence with running games across the board. Maybe you all should gather up and revolt on all European game handling companies and egg their offices or atleast protest / take it to government courts instead of blaming the people who have no choice but to choose between "crap and crappier" for companies.
Who do the big boys go with?
By that i mean WOW and EQ2. As far as i know they go with themselves.
Mythic is not new to this game, they had DAoC, they saw how GOA performed then and still decided to go with them simply cause they said that they will do better. Well they didnt do better and have let Mythic down.
Although do you not think that if Mythic wants to compete with the big boys (or even if they dont actually)it should have its own reps here, like Mythic Europe?
Sony and Blizzard both have access to Funds and Forgien offices of their company. Mythic how ever when they signed with GOA Did NOT. Yes now that their with EA they have access to localized European offices but its probably far more costly to swap out & terminate services at this point. not to mention the Incredible amount of town time Europeans would probably suffer
Law States that in order for Mythic to operate localized services they must have offices in the localized region. Meaning they would of had to spend money to buy a location, buy equiptment, and hire more employees. Where were they supposed to magically come up with that sort of money before they signed on with EA?
Turbine operates in the same manner. They're a smaller company so their localized services for Europe are handled by Codemasters.
Considering the Time Line of History which can not be changed who should Mythic of used to host their game in Europe with localized services?
btw just to Reiterate my point if its not clear. EA was not part of the picture when Mythic resigned with GOA. I'm sure if they had been Mythic would of simply used EA's resources since they have Euro offices.
No, I never had faith in them.
My thoughts exactly.
Also, I am a little upset that in some cases they ripped Wow of with stuff that they have solved better themselves in DAoC.
But what I am mostly upset on them for is all the crap MJ and Barnett said before launch. Good confidence is one thing but the talk of really competing with Wow together with bashing AoC and then do the same things as FunCom is really stupid.
I havn't given up WAR completly as a game yet however but Mythic made many bad decisions and should have listened more to their beta testers. They could also been more truer both to the Warhammer world and to themselves. Blizzard give their fans what they wan't, Mythic did forget their fans and tried to take Blizzards fans instead, and that is a bad idea.
However the game do have many good points so if they work hard they can still make it to be a really good game. But the competition is getting tougher, 2009 will be a year with many games in so they must really work hard and fast. The Warhammer universe do have a lot to offer and if they will be able to really create the Warhammer feeling the game will be great.
There is hope off course but my confidence in Mythic have dropped the last few months.
Actually, the EU law says that you need an office in EU country only (for EU and most other European countries due to a trade deal with EU). 1 person working there is good enough for that. They would still need to hire in a few translators to get the other language versions working and a few support persons but payin GOA to do the same won't be cheaper.
GOA do need to get money out of the deal too you know, so if Mythic had done it themselves they would have earned money in the long run. The reason that WAR is a lot bigger in Us is because of GOA so they are losing money on this deal, for every player that quits because of it they losing cash. Also Mythics reputation in EU is really bad because of this and that will cost them with theit next game too.
GOA isn't the only company in EU who could provide this service and they did already prove their incompetence with DAoC.
I think Warhammer Online is a steaming dog turd but this does not mean I think Mythic is incapable of making a good mmo. The production of one bad game does not guarantee that all of their future products will be crap as well. Also remember that Mythic is only as good as the employees that work for it. When Mythic gets round to making its next game it might have different people working for it.
No,i love the PvP and they listen to player feedback.