What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another. Good conversations are welcomed, but to critic a product that has yet to release is trollish at best, its the point all DF fans have been trying to make.
And one could argue the reverse as well... Abject praise and unrelenting hype of a game that isn't released is just as trollish isn't it?? You can check any forum on mmorpg and you will find DF fanboi's trolling like mad. I'd suggest that they must be getting paid for all the trolling or if they aren't they should be.
You can be a critic about the game based on the info that is available just as much as you can be a fan. I guess it is called balance...
I believe in the new year I am going to enjoy these forums almost on the same level as Vanguard. Why ?
Because of the insane hyping (again ... !) and whatever is delivered will not live up to everyone expectatons. Coupled with the rage of fanbois who have been waiting for ... well.. forever. Coupled with ( and here is 'teh' subjective part )... the oddness of this release. I wont go into this "oddness" here because there has been plenty of "critical" or just merely introspective posts on here already. Though already everyones sensitivities are sky high...
Oh boy ! The fireworks are going to be good whether the game is shit, brilliant or in between. Not very enlighted attitude I know.. but lets be honest here... how many times have we all been round this cycle.
Me ? I am getting a big packet of crisps come 22nd Jan and I am gonna kick back a watch... and no I aint preordering or buying this one in its first few months of release. Whhhay to burned, bashed and cynical for that....
Of course maybe it be like the *best* thing every. But for those buying on the first day... I salute you !
The real reason people throw the term " Troll ", and " Fanboy " around in this forum is because thats all anyone can be. How can someone be anything else if we' ve never played the game? All information out there appears to be dev approved.
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another. I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad). DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch). I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
The road goes both ways. Not all critics are trolls and not all fans are fanboys.
The critics of DF are just as much to blame for the stereotyping as are the fans.
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another. I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad). DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch). I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
The road goes both ways. Not all critics are trolls andnot all fans are fanboys.
The critics of DF are just as much to blame for the stereotyping as are the fans.
No, some would have to be girls too, unless all the fans are boys in which case the statement would be incorrect, however as there would probably be at least one female in the bunch the statement would however be correct.
This doesn't make sense, just my way of saying how i hate the word fanboy.
If you don't love darkfall and believe everything that any dev says.. You are a troll. If you post critizism of anything concerning Darkfall, you are a troll. Where do you get off calling someone who doesn't believe what you believe a troll?
What I don't understand is why people shrink from the title of "troll" so much, like it huts them or something.
Yes, I criticize games including DF and I'm a troll. Wear the title proudly.
Well, thats a shame, because trolls do not ever offer constructive criticism that has any value. Trolls just come looking to push people's buttons to get a fight. Trolls go out of their way to be asshats.
It's good to be objective and questioning, but that isnt trolling. Trolling is something else entirely.
I am sorry that you see yourself in this way. I guess I will have to build that into any opinions I have about posts that you make.
I don't think you can read V.. First you dismiss the OP as being nothing more than a troll.. yet you still post here.. saying trolling is bad..
I dismiss a guy for being a troll, then say trolling is bad?
Whats the problem here?
Sorry I don't get your point...
Have you thought about making up your own world? I mean, there, everyone would agree with you and there would be NO TROLLS..just think.. It could be SOO rad..
/sigh...
No, your right, actually I can't read. I can't write either. I just close my eyes and hammer at my keyboard with two fingers. The fact that it all comes out in any sensical order at all is just random chance.
That must be why I am struggling to understand what the hell you are talking about right?
I have only argued for objective constructive criticism here... how on Earth could you have an issue with that? Unless thats not your agenda of course....
Guys come on no throw in so easy word troll its become a joke use that term:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
i dont understand why this game has fanboys if it's not released yet. don't you think it's better to try it when is released first, then you decide if you will convert into a fanboy? considering all the MMO garbage released lately, why should I trust this IS going to be THE game.
I don't understand why this game has so many Trolls and Hate Boys, after all the game is not released yet...............
Also, it is normal for a game to have many Fanboys, what it is not normal is having so many Haters..........and DF have lots of them.
What we need to learn is to pick the hate from the reality. Most fanboys think that any critic is ´hate´, and therefore it helps to hurt the game itself, for all critics help to improve the game in a way or another. I think that Tasos is totally lost on it. A so secret beta test only means that there is no confidence in the game (specially so near the launch). The arrogance of the PR have been seen on PoBS, and we all know today the ´no crying on red circle´ mantra by now, and how PoBS is a joke nowdays... We dont want to that to happen on DFO, at least the ones who pursue the dream of a GOOD game, not the game itself (be it godd or bad). DFO has an incridible concept, but the reality, today, teached us to be a little more... cautious... D&L. PoBS, AoC teached us a lesson... Great hype, arrogant devs and too promises with very low ´showing it up´ (like the marvelous PvP on battlekeeps, of AoC, the jewel of the crown, or the DX10, never show on beta but promised as ´certain´ until the launch) is a sign of great disaster... And all those points are HUGE on DFO.. (the hype on DFO is higher than the AoC, the arrogance of Tasos is far bigger than even the PoBS devs, and the secrecy of the main features we cant even start with, since we only knew of a ´ghost beta´, without even notices of ANYTHING, and VERY near the launch). I am worried about it, everyday without notices of the beta (the real one, I mean) makes me a little more skeptical about DFO. Notice that I still love the game (the concept of it, I mean), and I really hope that ll those bad signs are only a terrible coincidence...
At most, you will be considered a good troll. At most.
This response is inexcusable.
Why don't you grow up a little and understand what the OP is saying, where he is coming from and that anyone who says anything besides "OMFG I cant wait for DF it's gonna be the bestest ever" isn't just a big meanie head or monster.
Too many fans here sooooo damn over protective of their precious little game. Good f'ng grief Charlie Brown! Can't ask questions, even if they do have merit. Can't have any doubts at all. Nobody is allowed to say any damn thing that isn't "DF is the best" without being labeled a troll here by 700 ridiculous, almost "extremist" fanboys.
I understand how Darkfall looks great and how the ideas and promises they have put forth SOUND good people. But until you play this damn game, it's still all just a dream and probably a fantasy in your heads that they have helped you create. After you guys play the game, and it's as great as you've ever imagined, then yes, I'll certainly understand you being such a big a fan. But until then, lighten up on calling anyone who has the slightest doubt or question about Darkfall a "troll" and resorting to immediate attacks. People that have concerns, doubts, questions and are posting here are probably just as interested in Darkfall as you if the truth is to be known. They might just be legitimate questions, doubts, or concerns. Trust me, that is a lot more healthy and realistic then just following with blind faith and immediately throwing personal attacks at anyone who doesn't think Tasos is God or that Darkfall Online will be the best f'ng game since the dawn of man.
- Zaxx
This poster and the OP are correct.
We all of us want Darkfall to be a success - a true skill-based PVP world with no levels and few instances.
However, we've all experienced tge vast hype that precedes games that, once delivered, turned out to the faintest shadows of what was promised - from DnL to AoC.
The OP is only admonishing is to be cautious in our enthusiam - and not to attack mindlessly those who raise legitimate questions about what we do know now and what we speculate may come in the future,
Good that someone understood it... First of all, I am not criticizing the game, but the hype around it, and specially the fanboys (yeah, I know that not every fan is a fanboy, I myself am a DFO fan).
I really want this game to work it, thats not a ´troll trapdoor´ (thats so childish and a little mentally unhealthy). I dont think SW: TOR will be so open, sandbox and complex as I would like to be, then DFO is still my number one bet. HOWEVER, I had many number one bets , and ALL of them were destroyed because the arrogance of the dev team, inflated by the fanboys. Thats what I want to tell, not every critic is here to ´hurt´ the game, but to help it.
Yes, even critic not constructive is better than a false praise...
By the way, english is my third language, so I apologize for any spelling mistakes, I never studied it in any place, but alone with my books and MTV
If you don't love darkfall and believe everything that any dev says.. You are a troll. If you post critizism of anything concerning Darkfall, you are a troll. Where do you get off calling someone who doesn't believe what you believe a troll?
What I don't understand is why people shrink from the title of "troll" so much, like it huts them or something.
Yes, I criticize games including DF and I'm a troll. Wear the title proudly.
Well, thats a shame, because trolls do not ever offer constructive criticism that has any value. Trolls just come looking to push people's buttons to get a fight. Trolls go out of their way to be asshats.
It's good to be objective and questioning, but that isnt trolling. Trolling is something else entirely.
I am sorry that you see yourself in this way. I guess I will have to build that into any opinions I have about posts that you make.
I don't think you can read V.. First you dismiss the OP as being nothing more than a troll.. yet you still post here.. saying trolling is bad..
I dismiss a guy for being a troll, then say trolling is bad?
Whats the problem here?
Sorry I don't get your point...
Have you thought about making up your own world? I mean, there, everyone would agree with you and there would be NO TROLLS..just think.. It could be SOO rad..
/sigh...
No, your right, actually I can't read. I can't write either. I just close my eyes and hammer at my keyboard with two fingers. The fact that it all comes out in any sensical order at all is just random chance.
That must be why I am struggling to understand what the hell you are talking about right?
I have only argued for objective constructive criticism here... how on Earth could you have an issue with that? Unless thats not your agenda of course....
Right.. I have an agenda..
.. Bring in the foil hat!!
Get a clue dude.. People can be critical of a product, without not liking the product. You say "Just another form of trolling" and continue to respond to the post.. Get out.. see the sun.. I think you spend too much time reading what you write to feel better about your responses..
And.. about that 'own world'.. Do it.. I think if you create an imaginary land for yourself.. You'll be a lot happier with the people there.
I think DF promises some nice concepts. These concepts have been waited on for a long time, not just from this game, but in the gaming world in general.
That being said, there is reason to be excited about the game, but on the other hand we as a gaming community have been screwed over by lies and false promises by companies looking to make a fast buck, several times in the past.
So, I guess I can kind of understand both angles here. I cant really get pee-my-pants-excited about DF until i know its not a pack of crap, but on the other hand I'm not gonna rip it to shreds before it even releases. Yes its been in development a long time, but if half of what they are promising is delivered, its gonna be worth it.
I think that people have forgotten that Darkfall is designed to be a sandbox, open PvP game... and that we have all seen the type of people that will play it.... because they are the people that post on these forums about how they love/hate Darkfall.
So, anything technical about the game aside, the game is doomed, because the players will ruin anything good that might come from it. Who really believes that should the game come out, that the people who have so eagerly expressed thier love/hate for this game will suddenly get along... and that they wont take this exchange into the game?
I think that people have forgotten that Darkfall is designed to be a sandbox, open PvP game... and that we have all seen the type of people that will play it.... because they are the people that post on these forums about how they love/hate Darkfall. So, anything technical about the game aside, the game is doomed, because the players will ruin anything good that might come from it. Who really believes that should the game come out, that the people who have so eagerly expressed thier love/hate for this game will suddenly get along... and that they wont take this exchange into the game?
I believe in the new year I am going to enjoy these forums almost on the same level as Vanguard. Why ? Because of the insane hyping (again ... !) and whatever is delivered will not live up to everyone expectatons. Coupled with the rage of fanbois who have been waiting for ... well.. forever. Coupled with ( and here is 'teh' subjective part )... the oddness of this release. I wont go into this "oddness" here because there has been plenty of "critical" or just merely introspective posts on here already. Though already everyones sensitivities are sky high... Oh boy ! The fireworks are going to be good whether the game is shit, brilliant or in between. Not very enlighted attitude I know.. but lets be honest here... how many times have we all been round this cycle.
Me ? I am getting a big packet of crisps come 22nd Jan and I am gonna kick back a watch... and no I aint preordering or buying this one in its first few months of release. Whhhay to burned, bashed and cynical for that.... Of course maybe it be like the *best* thing every. But for those buying on the first day... I salute you !
you cant preorder the game and they have said we will be able to try the game out first before we buy, at least thats what i have read
I believe in the new year I am going to enjoy these forums almost on the same level as Vanguard. Why ? Because of the insane hyping (again ... !) and whatever is delivered will not live up to everyone expectatons. Coupled with the rage of fanbois who have been waiting for ... well.. forever. Coupled with ( and here is 'teh' subjective part )... the oddness of this release. I wont go into this "oddness" here because there has been plenty of "critical" or just merely introspective posts on here already. Though already everyones sensitivities are sky high... Oh boy ! The fireworks are going to be good whether the game is shit, brilliant or in between. Not very enlighted attitude I know.. but lets be honest here... how many times have we all been round this cycle.
Me ? I am getting a big packet of crisps come 22nd Jan and I am gonna kick back a watch... and no I aint preordering or buying this one in its first few months of release. Whhhay to burned, bashed and cynical for that.... Of course maybe it be like the *best* thing every. But for those buying on the first day... I salute you !
you cant preorder the game and they have said we will be able to try the game out first before we buy, at least thats what i have read
.. NO.. they have NOT set in stone the ability to try before you buy. Please stop spreading the rumor.
I don't see Adventurine trying to make a fast buck by making a crappy game. Well one this is thier only product. They dont have the clout, or money that SOE, EA, or NC Soft have to produce shit and run. I have no doubts that the game will be buggy, it will be just launched. But a important thing to remember is that feature complete only means the features are in game, not that they work right.
Quick question how can you tell a person is being arrogant in his type, I mean he doesnt come accross as arrogant, but confident, and in writing if you show one ounce of meekness, that makes you a pussy who doesn't know what the fuck your talking about. Its a slippery slope but either way there is no arrogance.
I wouldn't necessarily call it 'arrogance', more like being pissed after getting laughed at and called vaporware/failure for the better part of a decade. After sacrificing a large part of their adult life to this project, with very little income I would imagine, who can really blame them for being fed up for all the critizism? If the game is as good as they say it is, they've earned to be little arrogant. If it fails... well, I'm glad I'm not in their shoes.
As an official representative of a supposedly respective company, you don't have the luxury of "getting pissed". In any company PR exist to show your company/product in a good light, and not to react so negatively to criticism, ESPECIALLY if that criticism is not justified.
If you don't love darkfall and believe everything that any dev says.. You are a troll. If you post critizism of anything concerning Darkfall, you are a troll. Where do you get off calling someone who doesn't believe what you believe a troll?
What I don't understand is why people shrink from the title of "troll" so much, like it huts them or something.
Yes, I criticize games including DF and I'm a troll. Wear the title proudly.
Well, thats a shame, because trolls do not ever offer constructive criticism that has any value. Trolls just come looking to push people's buttons to get a fight. Trolls go out of their way to be asshats.
It's good to be objective and questioning, but that isnt trolling. Trolling is something else entirely.
I am sorry that you see yourself in this way. I guess I will have to build that into any opinions I have about posts that you make.
I don't think you can read V.. First you dismiss the OP as being nothing more than a troll.. yet you still post here.. saying trolling is bad..
I dismiss a guy for being a troll, then say trolling is bad?
Whats the problem here?
Sorry I don't get your point...
Have you thought about making up your own world? I mean, there, everyone would agree with you and there would be NO TROLLS..just think.. It could be SOO rad..
/sigh...
No, your right, actually I can't read. I can't write either. I just close my eyes and hammer at my keyboard with two fingers. The fact that it all comes out in any sensical order at all is just random chance.
That must be why I am struggling to understand what the hell you are talking about right?
I have only argued for objective constructive criticism here... how on Earth could you have an issue with that? Unless thats not your agenda of course....
Right.. I have an agenda..
.. Bring in the foil hat!!
Sorry, based on your negative argumentative hate posts I asumed you had an agenda. Beyond generally wanting DF to fail that that is...
You show a lot of frustration and anger, and I mistook that that for having an agenda. I apologise.
Why does it matter that DF fails to you so much though? Just out of interest.
Get a clue dude..
'Dude'? lol
People can be critical of a product, without not liking the product.
Yes, I know.
Read what I wrote again.
Go on, I will wait.
Done?
Ok, you saw the part where I said objectivity is good and we need more of it?
What about the part where I said constructive criticism is good as well?
The bit when I say trolls are defined by being neither of these things, and thats why they are worthless?
Do you understand what I meant in saying those things? Have you absorbed them this time? Do you understood the point being made to you?
You say "Just another form of trolling" and continue to respond to the post.. Get out.. see the sun.. I think you spend too much time reading what you write to feel better about your responses..
You are still not making any sense whatsoever about this?
I asked you to elaborate, not parrot what you have already posted.
And.. about that 'own world'.. Do it.. I think if you create an imaginary land for yourself.. You'll be a lot happier with the people there.
/sigh... repeating your last lame insult is the best you can do? Nothing new to add?
There's nothing to criticize now. there is a release date, and you would think that sometime before the release date of Jan 22, 2009, they will drop the NDA. We're just in a holding pattern till the NDA drops, and we see if there is something to criticize or not. Maybe it's a good game, maybe it's a buggy piece of crap. No way to tell till the NDA drops.
I'm hoping for an Open beta lasting from early jan 2009 (meaning 1 - 5 jan) to launch date. It will be awesome.
There's nothing to criticize now. there is a release date, and you would think that sometime before the release date of Jan 22, 2009, they will drop the NDA. We're just in a holding pattern till the NDA drops, and we see if there is something to criticize or not. Maybe it's a good game, maybe it's a buggy piece of crap. No way to tell till the NDA drops.
I'm hoping for an Open beta lasting from early jan 2009 (meaning 1 - 5 jan) to launch date. It will be awesome.
There is so little time to go until launch that an Open Beta would pretty much be useless for fulfilling the function of a Beta - ie. playtesting and reporting bugs for fixing - that I feel it is pretty unlikely now that there will be an Open Beta unless Aventurine delay the launch.
I wouldn't necessarily call it 'arrogance', more like being pissed after getting laughed at and called vaporware/failure for the better part of a decade. After sacrificing a large part of their adult life to this project, with very little income I would imagine, who can really blame them for being fed up for all the critizism? If the game is as good as they say it is, they've earned to be little arrogant. If it fails... well, I'm glad I'm not in their shoes.
Well said:)
And OP you fail
It only proves the OP is right.
Nothing further to say.
And to response to Busdriver:
Aventurine called all the Vaporware crap over themselves. It was to be expected that if you are so secretive, suck at updating your own website, hardly release any information nor footage over the years and that they are developing it since 2001.
Add to that, that so many MMO's in development don't even make it to beta, yet alone to be released at all. (Example: Hero's Journey anyone? And that one even released footage and info over time when it was in development)
Add on top of that all the garbage that has been released over the past few years.
No wonder people have become cautious, sceptical and suspicious.
I wouldn't necessarily call it 'arrogance', more like being pissed after getting laughed at and called vaporware/failure for the better part of a decade. After sacrificing a large part of their adult life to this project, with very little income I would imagine, who can really blame them for being fed up for all the critizism? If the game is as good as they say it is, they've earned to be little arrogant. If it fails... well, I'm glad I'm not in their shoes.
Well said:)
And OP you fail
It only proves the OP is right.
Nothing further to say.
And to response to Busdriver:
Aventurine called all the Vaporware crap over themselves. It was to be expected that if you are so secretive, suck at updating your own website, hardly release any information nor footage over the years and that they are developing it since 2001.
Add to that, that so many MMO's in development don't even make it to beta, yet alone to be released at all. (Example: Hero's Journey anyone? And that one even released footage and info over time when it was in development)
Add on top of that all the garbage that has been released over the past few years.
No wonder people have become cautious, sceptical and suspicious.
Cheers
It's not being sceptical or cautious that's being the problem, the arrogance of the gamers, especially those that blame others to be it, is.
Let me pick up that Hero's Journey example. - What's the problem with the game never making it into release? It's not like we as gamers have any rights on a game. It is no scam if developers are reporting on theri project in a positive way, leaving out reports on their problems. It's not a scam if a game that got reported on for years actually never makes it into release. - It's a project that failed at some point, - and of absolutely no consequence for the potential customers, other than the need to look for some other product instead.
Now, if the final advertising in release is willingly misleading or flat out wrong, that's something totally different. However I can't see how anyone could accuse Aventurine of that at this point. We might if they'd sell preorders, which they don't. - I know, that's a legal offense in itself...
Once people manage to grow up and understand this, we should have far less problems with pointless battles
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And one could argue the reverse as well... Abject praise and unrelenting hype of a game that isn't released is just as trollish isn't it?? You can check any forum on mmorpg and you will find DF fanboi's trolling like mad. I'd suggest that they must be getting paid for all the trolling or if they aren't they should be.
You can be a critic about the game based on the info that is available just as much as you can be a fan. I guess it is called balance...
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Ethion
I believe in the new year I am going to enjoy these forums almost on the same level as Vanguard. Why ?
Because of the insane hyping (again ... !) and whatever is delivered will not live up to everyone expectatons. Coupled with the rage of fanbois who have been waiting for ... well.. forever. Coupled with ( and here is 'teh' subjective part )... the oddness of this release. I wont go into this "oddness" here because there has been plenty of "critical" or just merely introspective posts on here already. Though already everyones sensitivities are sky high...
Oh boy ! The fireworks are going to be good whether the game is shit, brilliant or in between. Not very enlighted attitude I know.. but lets be honest here... how many times have we all been round this cycle.
Me ? I am getting a big packet of crisps come 22nd Jan and I am gonna kick back a watch... and no I aint preordering or buying this one in its first few months of release. Whhhay to burned, bashed and cynical for that....
Of course maybe it be like the *best* thing every. But for those buying on the first day... I salute you !
The real reason people throw the term " Troll ", and " Fanboy " around in this forum is because thats all anyone can be. How can someone be anything else if we' ve never played the game? All information out there appears to be dev approved.
The road goes both ways. Not all critics are trolls and not all fans are fanboys.
The critics of DF are just as much to blame for the stereotyping as are the fans.
The road goes both ways. Not all critics are trolls and not all fans are fanboys.
The critics of DF are just as much to blame for the stereotyping as are the fans.
No, some would have to be girls too, unless all the fans are boys in which case the statement would be incorrect, however as there would probably be at least one female in the bunch the statement would however be correct.
This doesn't make sense, just my way of saying how i hate the word fanboy.
Whats PoBS?
What I don't understand is why people shrink from the title of "troll" so much, like it huts them or something.
Yes, I criticize games including DF and I'm a troll. Wear the title proudly.
Well, thats a shame, because trolls do not ever offer constructive criticism that has any value. Trolls just come looking to push people's buttons to get a fight. Trolls go out of their way to be asshats.
It's good to be objective and questioning, but that isnt trolling. Trolling is something else entirely.
I am sorry that you see yourself in this way. I guess I will have to build that into any opinions I have about posts that you make.
I don't think you can read V.. First you dismiss the OP as being nothing more than a troll.. yet you still post here.. saying trolling is bad..
I dismiss a guy for being a troll, then say trolling is bad?
Whats the problem here?
Sorry I don't get your point...
Have you thought about making up your own world? I mean, there, everyone would agree with you and there would be NO TROLLS..just think.. It could be SOO rad..
/sigh...
No, your right, actually I can't read. I can't write either. I just close my eyes and hammer at my keyboard with two fingers. The fact that it all comes out in any sensical order at all is just random chance.
That must be why I am struggling to understand what the hell you are talking about right?
I have only argued for objective constructive criticism here... how on Earth could you have an issue with that? Unless thats not your agenda of course....
Guys come on no throw in so easy word troll its become a joke use that term:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I don't understand why this game has so many Trolls and Hate Boys, after all the game is not released yet...............
Also, it is normal for a game to have many Fanboys, what it is not normal is having so many Haters..........and DF have lots of them.
So your statement doesn't make really sense.
please, stop saying teached.
This response is inexcusable.
Why don't you grow up a little and understand what the OP is saying, where he is coming from and that anyone who says anything besides "OMFG I cant wait for DF it's gonna be the bestest ever" isn't just a big meanie head or monster.
Too many fans here sooooo damn over protective of their precious little game. Good f'ng grief Charlie Brown! Can't ask questions, even if they do have merit. Can't have any doubts at all. Nobody is allowed to say any damn thing that isn't "DF is the best" without being labeled a troll here by 700 ridiculous, almost "extremist" fanboys.
I understand how Darkfall looks great and how the ideas and promises they have put forth SOUND good people. But until you play this damn game, it's still all just a dream and probably a fantasy in your heads that they have helped you create. After you guys play the game, and it's as great as you've ever imagined, then yes, I'll certainly understand you being such a big a fan. But until then, lighten up on calling anyone who has the slightest doubt or question about Darkfall a "troll" and resorting to immediate attacks. People that have concerns, doubts, questions and are posting here are probably just as interested in Darkfall as you if the truth is to be known. They might just be legitimate questions, doubts, or concerns. Trust me, that is a lot more healthy and realistic then just following with blind faith and immediately throwing personal attacks at anyone who doesn't think Tasos is God or that Darkfall Online will be the best f'ng game since the dawn of man.
- Zaxx
This poster and the OP are correct.
We all of us want Darkfall to be a success - a true skill-based PVP world with no levels and few instances.
However, we've all experienced tge vast hype that precedes games that, once delivered, turned out to the faintest shadows of what was promised - from DnL to AoC.
The OP is only admonishing is to be cautious in our enthusiam - and not to attack mindlessly those who raise legitimate questions about what we do know now and what we speculate may come in the future,
Good that someone understood it... First of all, I am not criticizing the game, but the hype around it, and specially the fanboys (yeah, I know that not every fan is a fanboy, I myself am a DFO fan).
I really want this game to work it, thats not a ´troll trapdoor´ (thats so childish and a little mentally unhealthy). I dont think SW: TOR will be so open, sandbox and complex as I would like to be, then DFO is still my number one bet. HOWEVER, I had many number one bets , and ALL of them were destroyed because the arrogance of the dev team, inflated by the fanboys. Thats what I want to tell, not every critic is here to ´hurt´ the game, but to help it.
Yes, even critic not constructive is better than a false praise...
By the way, english is my third language, so I apologize for any spelling mistakes, I never studied it in any place, but alone with my books and MTV
What I don't understand is why people shrink from the title of "troll" so much, like it huts them or something.
Yes, I criticize games including DF and I'm a troll. Wear the title proudly.
Well, thats a shame, because trolls do not ever offer constructive criticism that has any value. Trolls just come looking to push people's buttons to get a fight. Trolls go out of their way to be asshats.
It's good to be objective and questioning, but that isnt trolling. Trolling is something else entirely.
I am sorry that you see yourself in this way. I guess I will have to build that into any opinions I have about posts that you make.
I don't think you can read V.. First you dismiss the OP as being nothing more than a troll.. yet you still post here.. saying trolling is bad..
I dismiss a guy for being a troll, then say trolling is bad?
Whats the problem here?
Sorry I don't get your point...
Have you thought about making up your own world? I mean, there, everyone would agree with you and there would be NO TROLLS..just think.. It could be SOO rad..
/sigh...
No, your right, actually I can't read. I can't write either. I just close my eyes and hammer at my keyboard with two fingers. The fact that it all comes out in any sensical order at all is just random chance.
That must be why I am struggling to understand what the hell you are talking about right?
I have only argued for objective constructive criticism here... how on Earth could you have an issue with that? Unless thats not your agenda of course....
Right.. I have an agenda..
.. Bring in the foil hat!!
Get a clue dude.. People can be critical of a product, without not liking the product. You say "Just another form of trolling" and continue to respond to the post.. Get out.. see the sun.. I think you spend too much time reading what you write to feel better about your responses..
And.. about that 'own world'.. Do it.. I think if you create an imaginary land for yourself.. You'll be a lot happier with the people there.
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I think DF promises some nice concepts. These concepts have been waited on for a long time, not just from this game, but in the gaming world in general.
That being said, there is reason to be excited about the game, but on the other hand we as a gaming community have been screwed over by lies and false promises by companies looking to make a fast buck, several times in the past.
So, I guess I can kind of understand both angles here. I cant really get pee-my-pants-excited about DF until i know its not a pack of crap, but on the other hand I'm not gonna rip it to shreds before it even releases. Yes its been in development a long time, but if half of what they are promising is delivered, its gonna be worth it.
I think that people have forgotten that Darkfall is designed to be a sandbox, open PvP game... and that we have all seen the type of people that will play it.... because they are the people that post on these forums about how they love/hate Darkfall.
So, anything technical about the game aside, the game is doomed, because the players will ruin anything good that might come from it. Who really believes that should the game come out, that the people who have so eagerly expressed thier love/hate for this game will suddenly get along... and that they wont take this exchange into the game?
wtf are you talking about
What ? his post doesn't jive with your "i'm in beta" bs?
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you cant preorder the game and they have said we will be able to try the game out first before we buy, at least thats what i have read
you cant preorder the game and they have said we will be able to try the game out first before we buy, at least thats what i have read
.. NO.. they have NOT set in stone the ability to try before you buy. Please stop spreading the rumor.
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I don't see Adventurine trying to make a fast buck by making a crappy game. Well one this is thier only product. They dont have the clout, or money that SOE, EA, or NC Soft have to produce shit and run. I have no doubts that the game will be buggy, it will be just launched. But a important thing to remember is that feature complete only means the features are in game, not that they work right.
Quick question how can you tell a person is being arrogant in his type, I mean he doesnt come accross as arrogant, but confident, and in writing if you show one ounce of meekness, that makes you a pussy who doesn't know what the fuck your talking about. Its a slippery slope but either way there is no arrogance.
As an official representative of a supposedly respective company, you don't have the luxury of "getting pissed". In any company PR exist to show your company/product in a good light, and not to react so negatively to criticism, ESPECIALLY if that criticism is not justified.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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What I don't understand is why people shrink from the title of "troll" so much, like it huts them or something.
Yes, I criticize games including DF and I'm a troll. Wear the title proudly.
Well, thats a shame, because trolls do not ever offer constructive criticism that has any value. Trolls just come looking to push people's buttons to get a fight. Trolls go out of their way to be asshats.
It's good to be objective and questioning, but that isnt trolling. Trolling is something else entirely.
I am sorry that you see yourself in this way. I guess I will have to build that into any opinions I have about posts that you make.
I don't think you can read V.. First you dismiss the OP as being nothing more than a troll.. yet you still post here.. saying trolling is bad..
I dismiss a guy for being a troll, then say trolling is bad?
Whats the problem here?
Sorry I don't get your point...
Have you thought about making up your own world? I mean, there, everyone would agree with you and there would be NO TROLLS..just think.. It could be SOO rad..
/sigh...
No, your right, actually I can't read. I can't write either. I just close my eyes and hammer at my keyboard with two fingers. The fact that it all comes out in any sensical order at all is just random chance.
That must be why I am struggling to understand what the hell you are talking about right?
I have only argued for objective constructive criticism here... how on Earth could you have an issue with that? Unless thats not your agenda of course....
Right.. I have an agenda..
.. Bring in the foil hat!!
Sorry, based on your negative argumentative hate posts I asumed you had an agenda. Beyond generally wanting DF to fail that that is...
You show a lot of frustration and anger, and I mistook that that for having an agenda. I apologise.
Why does it matter that DF fails to you so much though? Just out of interest.
Get a clue dude..
'Dude'? lol
People can be critical of a product, without not liking the product.
Yes, I know.
Read what I wrote again.
Go on, I will wait.
Done?
Ok, you saw the part where I said objectivity is good and we need more of it?
What about the part where I said constructive criticism is good as well?
The bit when I say trolls are defined by being neither of these things, and thats why they are worthless?
Do you understand what I meant in saying those things? Have you absorbed them this time? Do you understood the point being made to you?
You say "Just another form of trolling" and continue to respond to the post.. Get out.. see the sun.. I think you spend too much time reading what you write to feel better about your responses..
You are still not making any sense whatsoever about this?
I asked you to elaborate, not parrot what you have already posted.
And.. about that 'own world'.. Do it.. I think if you create an imaginary land for yourself.. You'll be a lot happier with the people there.
/sigh... repeating your last lame insult is the best you can do? Nothing new to add?
Your not doing very well here are you?
I'm hoping for an Open beta lasting from early jan 2009 (meaning 1 - 5 jan) to launch date. It will be awesome.
I'm hoping for an Open beta lasting from early jan 2009 (meaning 1 - 5 jan) to launch date. It will be awesome.
There is so little time to go until launch that an Open Beta would pretty much be useless for fulfilling the function of a Beta - ie. playtesting and reporting bugs for fixing - that I feel it is pretty unlikely now that there will be an Open Beta unless Aventurine delay the launch.
Well said:)
And OP you fail
It only proves the OP is right.
Nothing further to say.
And to response to Busdriver:
Aventurine called all the Vaporware crap over themselves. It was to be expected that if you are so secretive, suck at updating your own website, hardly release any information nor footage over the years and that they are developing it since 2001.
Add to that, that so many MMO's in development don't even make it to beta, yet alone to be released at all. (Example: Hero's Journey anyone? And that one even released footage and info over time when it was in development)
Add on top of that all the garbage that has been released over the past few years.
No wonder people have become cautious, sceptical and suspicious.
Cheers
Well said:)
And OP you fail
It only proves the OP is right.
Nothing further to say.
And to response to Busdriver:
Aventurine called all the Vaporware crap over themselves. It was to be expected that if you are so secretive, suck at updating your own website, hardly release any information nor footage over the years and that they are developing it since 2001.
Add to that, that so many MMO's in development don't even make it to beta, yet alone to be released at all. (Example: Hero's Journey anyone? And that one even released footage and info over time when it was in development)
Add on top of that all the garbage that has been released over the past few years.
No wonder people have become cautious, sceptical and suspicious.
Cheers
It's not being sceptical or cautious that's being the problem, the arrogance of the gamers, especially those that blame others to be it, is.
Let me pick up that Hero's Journey example. - What's the problem with the game never making it into release? It's not like we as gamers have any rights on a game. It is no scam if developers are reporting on theri project in a positive way, leaving out reports on their problems. It's not a scam if a game that got reported on for years actually never makes it into release. - It's a project that failed at some point, - and of absolutely no consequence for the potential customers, other than the need to look for some other product instead.
Now, if the final advertising in release is willingly misleading or flat out wrong, that's something totally different. However I can't see how anyone could accuse Aventurine of that at this point. We might if they'd sell preorders, which they don't. - I know, that's a legal offense in itself...
Once people manage to grow up and understand this, we should have far less problems with pointless battles