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Rumors of financial trouble at CME(?)

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  • tigamtigam Member Posts: 23

    I'll back up Attrativa here, it's time a few more people spoke out, even if anonymously.  There are indeed many people closely attached to the product speaking their minds lately, with just cause.  Not getting paid around Xmas is certainly one of them.

    Few, if any, want to see the project fail.  SGW is something special and to folks who work at CME, or have had to leave, it has left a memorable mark on them.  There are some seriously solid ideas in that game.  Unfortunately, mismanaged spending (CME as a company has raised over 45 million dollars, all of it gone now and nearly 12 million in debts) will most likely result in the game never seeing the light of day.

    Unless someone comes along with enough cash to launch it and frankly, that's unlikely.  No publisher has picked the game up other than the one they made for themselves, though many many have looked at it.  There's definately a solid year of work left to do, and if you were in the beta (I should say "alpha") you'd know the game is just nowhere near prime-time ready.

     

    And no, I'm not Attrativa, I've had this account for awhile and hesitated saying anything.  But you shouldn't just disqualify rumors.  CME/Firesky are in serious serious trouble and at this time of year, what you all should be doing is praying for their families.  in this economy and at christmas, is no time to be missing mortgage payments.

  • supremeaaronsupremeaaron Member UncommonPosts: 189

    well CME responded to the 21 day rumour. which i suspect is fake since CME do have a strong backing as in MGM and they dont want to see a game of their 2nd most success IP  not get off the ground and im sure bridge studios can lend a hand im sure they really want the mmo to go through or as David Hewett(Dr. Rodney Mckay) who has said he is really looking forward to playing or even ask for donations. ok  now heres the responce from CME on 21 day rumor www.tentonhammer.com/node/50624

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,939
    Originally posted by Gscully




     
    I hope not. I'm not to happy how they treated SWG/Vanguard, but it can't really be ruled out. Seems SOE would be hard pressed to take on another 'failing' (as in financially) game.
    I hope they get more money and don't fail, I love the IP and want to play this game more than STO or the new SWToR thingie.
     



     

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  • alakramalakram Member UncommonPosts: 2,301

    If they are in finnacial troubles they can release the game in the state they have it now.

    Sure the game is unfisnished but seeing how mmorpgs release this times, nobody will notice.



  • nennafirnennafir Member UncommonPosts: 313

    Gamasutra article about funding troubles:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21363

  • nennafirnennafir Member UncommonPosts: 313
    Originally posted by alakram


    If they are in finnacial troubles they can release the game in the state they have it now.
    Sure the game is unfisnished but seeing how mmorpgs release this times, nobody will notice.



     

    Is this a joke?  Who in their right mind would buy a game put out by a company in such dire financial straits that they are a month late in paying their employees?   Who would actually expect a decent game in such a situation?

    Not me, certainly...

  • supremeaaronsupremeaaron Member UncommonPosts: 189

    I wonder who put up the 22days of CME employees without pay. For all we know it could be someone who is miss informed about their cash flow problem for all we know if the do have problems paying them it could be under 20 days and for all we know the CME employees maybe payed every 2 week or every month. I have come to believe in my time on the net not to belive a site that only has number of days on it give me a proper source not just number of days. All we know is they have is

    "We have maintained a core of dedicated investors, but the new economic realities are forcing us to seek out additional sources of funding and that's what we're doing." which was said by Kevin Balentine of CME. Im sorry but i say net is blowing  this out of preportion( you know like the net always does when something happens)

     

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    In case nobody has noticed recent current events, besides the credit crunch, investors have lost between 20% and 33% of their investments, making them a tad bit skittish about where their remaining money is going and what it's being used for.

    Is there any particular reason that MMORPG developers would be immune to this?

     

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

    http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26698835

    Quote:

    "Bogus or not bogus?: Unfortunately for both Cheyenne and its employees, this one is not bogus."

  • OrphesOrphes Member UncommonPosts: 3,039

    I only read that last post. But news coming up on gamespot. I often find them to not tell the whole story, I mean there could be alot of positive things they leave out just to make an article.

    I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
    "You have the right not to be killed"

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Orphes


    I only read that last post. But news coming up on gamespot. I often find them to not tell the whole story, I mean there could be alot of positive things they leave out just to make an article.



     

    Except that by stating that it is "not bogus", they would have CME all over them demanding a retraction or threatening a lawsuit for libel. Neither is occuring, so I believe that it is indeed "not bogus".

  • DavrynDavryn Member Posts: 39
    Originally posted by supremeaaron


    well CME responded to the 21 day rumour. which i suspect is fake since CME do have a strong backing as in MGM and they dont want to see a game of their 2nd most success IP  not get off the ground and im sure bridge studios can lend a hand im sure they really want the mmo to go through or as David Hewett(Dr. Rodney Mckay) who has said he is really looking forward to playing or even ask for donations. ok  now heres the responce from CME on 21 day rumor www.tentonhammer.com/node/50624

     

    That response doesn't really say much of anything more than, "Yeah, the economy sucks, and we're a start-up, so...you figure it out." It's total spin, IMO. But what else are they going to say? You think they'll admit that they haven't been able to pay their employees? Right.

    Ten Ton Hammer says they have an inside source that confirms the "X days without pay" rumor is true. IIRC, they used to have someone on TTH staff who was from CME, or left to work for CME or some such.

    So, now TTH is doing this fund drive for CME to help the kids of those people not getting paid have some kind of a Christmas, which I think is cool of them. Every time someone talks about it on the SGW forums, though, the thread gets freakin closed. Okay, I know CME has no part in the thing, but I don't know why they would refuse help for there employes. I suppose they think it makes them look bad. Meh. Everything looks bad right now...economy sucks.

    I really do wish the best for CME and Stargate Worlds. I'm so freakin bored with any game thats out right now I'm ready to start playing The Sims and finding creative ways to murder them. But being a fanboy and denying reality doesn't help. CME is in financial trouble--I totally believe that. I didn't believe the rumors that Vanguard sucked and that Sigil was going under and look what happened.

     

  • DracusDracus Member Posts: 1,449

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    And that is why...

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  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424
    Originally posted by Bugg1322


    Who out there doesn't have financial trouble once in a while.  The true test is, if the rumour is true, is how they bounce back.
    No use worrying about a rumour, people say many things, most of which are only half true.



     

    I'm always in financial trouble

  • _Shadowmage_Shadowmage Member Posts: 1,459


    Originally posted by burdock2
    Your forgetting three very important factors to consider which should alleviate any concerns!

    2 - There are 15 seasons worth and three movies, to date, of lore, content and fans. That is alot (even more than Star Wars).


    Lol - more than Star Wars - someone needs to get a grip on reality. There are 6 main movies for Star Wars, an animated movie, the animated T.V series, tons of books (I own 50) and comics that take the SW universe on after the movies, and lots set before.

    Dont forget lots of successful games - PC & Console - shooters, rpgs, rts that extend the universe.

    Even Star Trek has more lore than SGW - movies, tv series, hundreds of books.
  • tastethegoldtastethegold Member Posts: 53

    the sad thing is THIS GAME IS A RIP OFF OF TABULA RASA!

    they are probably in trouble because people realised how bad TR failed and dont feel like sinking $ into a clone of it. not really much of a chance of it coming out and making $ even with their little IP having a few fans. even major motion picture studios kinda frown on wasting vast amounts of $ on things that are definately going to fail.

    you can pretend i dont know wtf im talking about, you can call me a troll, and you can discredit me. but the fact remains this game plays out just like TR and will bomb just as hard. they will not make money off it, and thats all anyone needs to know to stop the funding.

  • urbanmechurbanmech Member UncommonPosts: 200
    Originally posted by tastethegold


    the sad thing is THIS GAME IS A RIP OFF OF TABULA RASA!
    they are probably in trouble because people realised how bad TR failed and dont feel like sinking $ into a clone of it. not really much of a chance of it coming out and making $ even with their little IP having a few fans. even major motion picture studios kinda frown on wasting vast amounts of $ on things that are definately going to fail.
    you can pretend i dont know wtf im talking about, you can call me a troll, and you can discredit me. but the fact remains this game plays out just like TR and will bomb just as hard. they will not make money off it, and thats all anyone needs to know to stop the funding.



     

    Tabula Rasa failed because the game was crap, not the game mechanics. The shooter, and sorta-tactical aspects of the game were fun, the rest of the game was empty.

    If SGW can give me the action of TR, with actual content and things to do in your downtime, it should do fine.

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by tastethegold


    the sad thing is THIS GAME IS A RIP OFF OF TABULA RASA!
    they are probably in trouble because people realised how bad TR failed and dont feel like sinking $ into a clone of it. not really much of a chance of it coming out and making $ even with their little IP having a few fans. even major motion picture studios kinda frown on wasting vast amounts of $ on things that are definately going to fail.
    you can pretend i dont know wtf im talking about, you can call me a troll, and you can discredit me. but the fact remains this game plays out just like TR and will bomb just as hard. they will not make money off it, and thats all anyone needs to know to stop the funding.



     

    tr was a pvp shooter sans the pvp.

     

    are you saying that's what sgw is?

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Originally posted by tastethegold


    the sad thing is THIS GAME IS A RIP OFF OF TABULA RASA!
    they are probably in trouble because people realised how bad TR failed and dont feel like sinking $ into a clone of it. not really much of a chance of it coming out and making $ even with their little IP having a few fans. even major motion picture studios kinda frown on wasting vast amounts of $ on things that are definately going to fail.
    you can pretend i dont know wtf im talking about, you can call me a troll, and you can discredit me. but the fact remains this game plays out just like TR and will bomb just as hard. they will not make money off it, and thats all anyone needs to know to stop the funding.

     

    Well the sad fact is you are a troll pure sang! Nothing more nothing less!

    Fact 1: You clearly haven't played Tabula Rasa.

    Fact 2: You haven't played SGW either.

    Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about at all!

     

    I have been in beta for TR for months and played the game a good while after launch.

    So I have a very clear idea why Tabula Rasa failed!

    The combat of Tabula Rasa was refreshing and fun! People never had any problem with that at all!

    Animations were good! The AI was pretty good as well. The NPC ships landing and dropping off troops were just plain awesome and not seen before! Patrolls ambushing you!

    Tabula Rasa had all the elements and potential to become one of the greatest SF MMO's of this time!

    Now why the hell did it fail? Simple:

    1. The Classes were very poorly designed. Over half the skills were utter crap and useless. Not to mention you unlock everything at level30!! Leaving you with 20 levels of grind without any real further progress!

    2. Storyline and Lore around the Eloh's were poorly done, hollow and not worked out very well. Eloh Artificats were nothing more then collection items to unlock your skills. HUGE waste of oportunity to make so much more out of the whole Eloh lore!

    3. Content, Content, Content! At launch the content basically stopped at level30. After that it was 20 levels of grinding, bugged to hell content and endgame NON-existent!

    4. Cloning system basically eliminated the need for complete reroll of ALT's only for people to end up bored even faster!

    5. A year later there is still no endgame content!

    6. PVP! What PVP? PVP is a total joke in this game. It's about you, me and everyone else against the Bane. Yet to PVP you have to turn yourself or your guild against others and kill off eachother LOL! Didn't make any sense at all!  In the end, just another MMO in wich PVP was just a mere aftertought.

    7. Crafting system! What crafting system? It was bugged to hell, utter crap, not worked out at all and completely useless! It was far and far cheaper to buy the stuff at the vendor then to craft it yourself lol!

    But the worse in all this, was that the Game Director himself, Richard Garriott. Who was suppose to oversee and manage his dev team, create and envision the game.... was more busy getting his ass into Space and organising snobish parties!

    The moment TR was launched Richard Garriott didn't give any toss about the game and his employees (the dev team), left them rot and figure the mess out themselves, as he only cared for one thing and that was getting his ass into Space. Nothing more nothing less!

    All in all. Due to Richard Garriott's hidden *Space* agenda this game never had a chance to succeed at all! Not even after launch!

    ------------------------------------

    So how in earth can you compare Tabula Rasa with Stargate Worlds?!

     

    Have a nice day.

  • DarwaDarwa Member UncommonPosts: 2,181
    Originally posted by Guillermo197



     

    Well the sad fact is you are a troll pure sang! Nothing more nothing less!

    Fact 1: You clearly haven't played Tabula Rasa.

    Fact 2: You haven't played SGW either.

    Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about at all!

     

    I've played both and SGW is essentially TR reskinned, so my conclusion is that you have no idea what you're talking about either

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Originally posted by darwa

    Originally posted by Guillermo197



     

    Well the sad fact is you are a troll pure sang! Nothing more nothing less!

    Fact 1: You clearly haven't played Tabula Rasa.

    Fact 2: You haven't played SGW either.

    Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about at all!

     

    I've played both and SGW is essentially TR reskinned, so my conclusion is that you have no idea what you're talking about either

     

    Sorry my fault. I didn't know Richard Garriott was working on this game as well.

  • DarwaDarwa Member UncommonPosts: 2,181
    Originally posted by Guillermo197

    Originally posted by darwa

    Originally posted by Guillermo197



     

    Well the sad fact is you are a troll pure sang! Nothing more nothing less!

    Fact 1: You clearly haven't played Tabula Rasa.

    Fact 2: You haven't played SGW either.

    Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about at all!

     

    I've played both and SGW is essentially TR reskinned, so my conclusion is that you have no idea what you're talking about either

     

    Sorry my fault. I didn't know Richard Garriott was working on this game as well.

     

    How is that relevant?

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Originally posted by darwa

    Originally posted by Guillermo197

    Originally posted by darwa

    Originally posted by Guillermo197



     

    Well the sad fact is you are a troll pure sang! Nothing more nothing less!

    Fact 1: You clearly haven't played Tabula Rasa.

    Fact 2: You haven't played SGW either.

    Conclusion: You have no idea what you are talking about at all!

     

    I've played both and SGW is essentially TR reskinned, so my conclusion is that you have no idea what you're talking about either

     

    Sorry my fault. I didn't know Richard Garriott was working on this game as well.

     

    How is that relevant?

     

    If you actually read my whole post, instead of just the first three lines, then it's more then relevant. Maybe you get the picture then!

    Cheers

  • DarwaDarwa Member UncommonPosts: 2,181
    Originally posted by Guillermo197

    Originally posted by darwa

    Originally posted by Guillermo197



     

    Sorry my fault. I didn't know Richard Garriott was working on this game as well.

     

    How is that relevant?

     

    If you actually read my whole post, instead of just the first three lines, then it's more then relevant. Maybe you get the picture then!

    Cheers

    I appreciate that English may not be your primary language, and that you may not understand fully what's being said and in return, what you are saying. I heartily recommend that when someone posts something that you do not understand and you wish to respond, don't post immediately. Think about what you are writing.

    The post of yours that I was responding to is set out in two parts. Whether you intended this or not is something that I'm unable to establish. I quoted and directly responded to the first part, deliberately omitting the second.

    I simply don't see how Garriotts involvement (or lack thereof) has any relevance to the two games being similar. It's like saying McDonalds and Burger King have nothing in common because one of them has a clown as a figurehead.

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Originally posted by darwa



    I appreciate that English may not be your primary language, and that you may not understand fully what's being said and in return, what you are saying. I heartily recommend that when someone posts something that you do not understand and you wish to respond, don't post immediately. Think about what you are writing.

    The post of yours that I was responding to is set out in two parts. Whether you intended this or not is something that I'm unable to establish. I quoted and directly responded to the first part, deliberately omitting the second.

    I simply don't see how Garriotts involvement (or lack thereof) has any relevance to the two games being similar. It's like saying McDonalds and Burger King have nothing in common because one of them has a clown as a figurehead.

     

    Simple,

    If Stargate Worlds is similar to Tabula Rasa when it comes to combat, then that's great! As like I said in that post. There was nothing wrong with the combat system in Tabula Rasa.

    If Stargate Worlds classes are actually worked out well

    If Stargate Worlds actually has plenty of content

    If Stargate Worlds actually has a working crafting system

    If Stargate Worlds actually has meaningful PVP (wich they have as this game actually has TWO playable factions!)

    Then it will be already 100 times better then Tabula Rasa ever was!

    Cheers

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