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6800gt or x800pro
justriffe
Member Posts: 17
in Everquest II
this is a simple one but what is better for EQ2 6800gt or x800pro??? i would like to hear from you guys. i would like to hear pros and cons. what r ur opinions?
i doesn't matter if nvidia or ati fanboys rip eachother apart as long as it some good info or lol
i think this should help me and a lot of others out!!!!!!!!!!
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If you can, you should get the 6800Le version. Its the best card on the market compared to the price.
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Money-wise and speed-wise, you're better off buying the X800 Pro. I read a lot of info on it, it's better than the 6800GT.
UNFORTUNATLY, during my 8 years of using computers. I've bought ATI products twice. Anyone remember the Radeon 7000 and the Radeon 9000? Pure junk... total junk cards. They always crashed, the drivers from ATI were horrible. I swore to myself I would never buy an ATI card ever again.
And well, I've owned the Geforce 2 GTS, Geforce 4 TI4200, Geforce FX 5600 and now the Geforce FX 5900. Never crashed, very stable, drivers are always perfect and www.nvidia.com works for any brand name of Geforce. I love NVidia and my money belongs to them when it comes to Video Cards.
According to my friend who owned a Radeon 9800 Pro, which crashed once in awhile, not as bad as what I used to have, but it still crashed. He now owns the X800 Pro himself and according to him, it never crashes.
And ask around. Any ATI fan will agree the cards crash once in awhile. Where Geforce fans will never complain cause there's nothing to complain about EXCEPT that we are paying more expensive for a card that's a bit slower than what ATI has to offer.
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6800gt
pros- can take advantage of the latest directX technology, the ati cant
cons- not sure, I believe its slower at very high resolutions compared to the x800pro. very high meaning resolutions over 1280x1024. also requires a 350w ps which you should have anyway.
bottom line is both cards will scream in any game, wether or not 3dmark says one is faster than the other. Personally id go with the 6800gt because it utilizes things in directX the x800 cannot and the areas that the x800 surpass the 6800gt are almost pointless such as its higher fps at higher resolutions with AA enabled.
for the record ive used ATI for the past 6 years, so im not an nvidia fanboi by a long shot..im just a consumer and I could care less who gets my money
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Go for the 6800GT, with stock cooling you can easly over clock to 400 / 1100 the ultra speed, its good stuff. And its what I have =D
*LamA Land*
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EQ2 looks AMAZING on my 6800 GT (though most modern games do). I have no experience with the x800 pro but at the time I bought the 6800 it was like 20 dollars more for overall better performance. One word of warning, the card is frikken long. Make sure you get all cables and whatnot out of the way before you try to install.
The ATI X800 Platinum is the most powerful card out there as of now. However, considering that NVidia and SOE seem to be buddies, they may have incorporated NVidia only optimization code in their game. So the GeForce 6800 Ultra would be a better choice.
I personally have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 Megs and have no problems what so ever. But, I am seriously considering getting a GeForce just in case ...
Gah!
So now I'm drooling over a new video card that runs close to $400! <starts counting pennies>
I'll have to get it... Either one sounds good to me, though I'm leaning towards the 6800 GT.
Thanks guys! <runs off to break open her kids piggy banks>
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I would go for the 6800gt. Nvidia has been working with soe, so I would guess that it will be optimized for nvidia cards. Also, the 6800 series supports the newest pixel shaders, wheras ati's cards do not. It also has ultrashadow 2 tech, which cuts the render time for shadows in half, which is great for games like doom3. Those are in addition to the greater stability and reliability. I have a 6800gt myself and I love it. One more huge huge bonus is the digital vibrance option that all nvidia cards have. If you havent seen digital vibrance, its amazing, It makes all the colors brighter and richer. It doesnt show up in screenshots, since its a monitor tweak. I dont think I could play games without DV, they look so dull. This time around, Nvidia has the upper hand.
If you have a 6800 series card, get the beta 66.81WHQL driver. They are alot better then the 61.77.
You can get the here: http://www.guru3d.com
Would you please give me some links to support that statement?
This is from ATI site:
DirectX® 9.0 Leadership Continues
Over the past several years ATI has established a legacy of providing the highest performing Microsoft® DirectX® graphics card solutions. RADEON® X800 graphics technology offers the latest DirectX® 9.0 and OpenGL® 2.0 shader support to ensure that current and upcoming games look and play brilliantly, especially in high-definition.
World's Most Advanced 3D Architecture
RADEON® X800 graphics technology features SMARTSHADER HD, the most advanced pixel shader engine with up to 16 parallel pixel pipelines capable of an incredible 6 gigapixels/second fill rate in full precision! With six programmable vertex shader pipelines, capable of up to 700 million vertices per second and an overall capability of over 200 billion floating point operations per second(Giga FLOPS), RADEON® X800 Graphics Technology delivers the most beautifully rendered high-definition 3D animation for the ultimate in intense, interactive game play.
Here are the feartures of the Nvidia 6800 series:
CineFX 3.0 Shading Architecture
* Vertex Shaders
o Support for Microsoft DirectX 9.0 Vertex Shader 3.0
o Displacement mapping
o Geometry instancing
o Infinite length vertex programs
* Pixel Shaders
o Support for DirectX 9.0 Pixel Shader 3.0
o Full pixel branching support
o Support for Multiple Render Targets (MRTs)
o Infinite length pixel programs
* Next-Generation Texture Engine
o Up to 16 textures per rendering pass
o Support for 16-bit floating point format and 32-bit floating point format
o Support for non-power of two textures
o Support for sRGB texture format for gamma textures
o DirectX and S3TC texture compression
o Full 128-bit studio-quality floating point precision through the entire rendering pipeline with native hardware support for 32bpp, 64bpp, and 128bpp rendering modes
64-Bit Texture Filtering and Blending1
* Full floating point support throughout entire pipeline
* Floating point filtering improves the quality of images in motion
* Floating point texturing drives new levels of clarity and image detail
* Floating point frame buffer blending gives detail to special effects like motion blur and explosions
Intellisample 3.0 Technology2
* Advanced 16x anisotropic filtering
* Blistering-fast antialiasing and compression performance
* New rotated-grid antialiasing removes jagged edges for incredible edge quality
* Support for advanced lossless compression algorithms for color, texture, and z-data at even higher resolutions and frame rates
* Fast z-clear
* High-resolution compression technology (HCT) increases performance at higher resolutions through advances in compression technology
UltraShadow II Technology
* Designed to enhance the performance of shadow-intensive games, like id Software's Doom 3
Advanced Video and Display Functionality
* Dedicated on-chip video processor
* MPEG video encode and decode
* WMV9 decode acceleration
* Advanced adaptive de-interlacing
* High-quality video scaling and filtering
* DVD and HDTV-ready MPEG-2 decoding up to 1920x1080i resolutions
* Dual integrated 400 MHz RAMDACs for display resolutions up to and including 2048
So bottom line, as long as the two cards are relatively similar in price, which they are, the 6800 series is superior.
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System: AMD Athlon 64 3200+, ATI Radeon 9800Pro 256Mb @ 445/405, 1gb Corsair pc3200 RAM, 80gb 7200rpm HD, Liquid cooling.
If your planning on playing Half-life 2, as well as Everquest 2, I'd go with ATI as you have probably heard Valve is siding with ATI as the best GPU for their new game.
Comparing both cards performances on EQ2, if you can notice any difference in the visual quality of the game, I will be amazed. I will not, however, be surprised if the 6800 gives a slightly higher frame rate. I doubt this will make a difference in performance of the game though.
Your best bet, if your not going to ever consider Half-life 2, will be the nVidia card. But like I said before, the difference is so unnoticable, I would go with whichever is cheapest
The 6800 series cards will do better on the benchmarks, when the next official drivers are released. I'm using the beta 66.81 HWQL and noticed a good boost in speed over the 61.77. "www.guru3d.com" got a good review of comparing beta drivers to the 61.77.
I have the X800 Pro and love it. ATI doesn't support version 3.0 pixel shaders, but I understand the only thing updated was making it easier for developers to program the shaders... I heard there wasn't any real visual improvement. Besides, game devs are going to keep supporting 2.0 because most everyone has that and they develop for the common denominator. ATI didn't want to add any more expense to the card unnecessarily.
The fact that EQ2 advertises NVIDIA does not justify going with NVIDA blindly. Sure, it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, but I can attest to you that my X800 runs EQ2 FLAWLESSLY, even on the highest detail setting.
At any rate, X800 XT is the fastest card on the market last I heard. X800 Pro is an awesome second choice and is somewhat faster than the GT. Not only that, with all else equal, why sustain the monopoly NVIDIA is attempting on all these games coming out. "Runs best on NVIDIA" indeed...
Let's maintain the API standard, not the hardware standard.
EDIT: Thread on Anandtech about 2.0 vs 3.0 HERE
Remember THIS?
Hey smart ones- the 6800 GT is far faster than the x800 pro. The X800 pro is far different from the x800 xt. The X800 Pro has 12-pipes, the 6800 GT has 16-pipes. PC gamer did a review of the 6800 Gt vs. the x800 pro(overlocked even), and the 6800 GT blew it away.
6800 Gt= 16 pipes
X800 pro= 12pipes
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Blew it away is a bit of an overstatement. I've seen benchmarks go both ways, anyway. Depends on who the sponsor is.
But I just checked prices and it looks like the 6800 GT beats the X800 Pro in price now, so I'd go with the GT if everything else is arguable.
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