I didnt say it wasnt biased BigPeeler. Thats why I said it wasnt just this thread. Actually read what I wrote then talk. I didnt directly call you a fanboi either. I said if you throw out all crticism thatn you are a fanboi. If you dont throw out all crticism I wouldnt call yo a fanboi. Simple as that. Again, take some time to actaully read my post before responding to it.
Originally posted by BigPeeler Originally posted by Saigonshakes What I learned from all these posts is that if anyone has ANYTHING bad to say about EQ2, they're going to get flamed big time. I'm not just reffering to this thread either. Anytime someone has something bad to say about the game they get bashed. You can call people fanbois all you want but when you're unwilling to accept that the game has flaws, you my friend are the fanboi. And I'm not saying EQ2 is going to be bad game, I just think it's stupid that all crtitisim is instantly disregarded. lol... okay 1st let me start off by saying that ANYBODY who reads my posts knows that when it comes to the whole EQ2 vs. WoW thing and all that crap, im not on either side... infact, im personally planning on buying both games when i get my new computer... both games will be great, that's already a given... calling me a fanboi? LOL, good stuff anyways... it's not that anybody who says anything bad about EQ2 will get flamed... when people have honest issues with the game, i listen to them and take them just like the rest... but this is blatently a biased oppinion... over the past few months it's almost become a daily ritual for the WoW fanboys to go over to the EQ2 forums and flame random aspects of the game in a blind fanboy fit of lies and ill-informed flames... im not saying it never happens the other way around, but not NEARLY as often... WoW fanboys are BY FAR the worst kind i've ever seen... im willing to accept all flaw's that both games may have, as long as their actually flaw's, and not just fanboy rantings... THIS thread is a perfect example... i cant believe you cant see how insanely biased this thread is... that is unless of course you're biased yourself?... criticism is a good thing... fanboy rantings arent...-------------------------------- Games Played - Too many to list~ Games Currently Playing - City of Heroes Favorite Game So Far - Lineage 1 ^^ Waiting For - WoW (OB is gonna be hell T_T l337 d3wdz everywhere =_=)
Please don't judge me or any other mature WoW players because of your expiences with Bnet kiddies. Bnet has always had its share of immature children and it will continue in WoW regardless of what anyone says. Am I happy with this? No, I'm not...i play to have fun and not to listen to the utter stupidity of some of these kids. Go to the bnet forums for WoW. I'm sure you'll never want to play the game again. That's how i felt, but after playing the game and actually meeting some of the mature players this game just plain rocks.
Another aspect i'm not too fond of in EQ2 is the lack of soloability. In WoW i solo some quests and i group for a lot as well. But if i can't find a group i would like to at least have something to do until a group shows up.
I think i might just go d/l EQ2 now and see for myself.
"Johnny, what do you see?" "I see a lot of things"
"Johnny, what do you see?" "I see a lot of things"
If anyone first rounds up everything they have to say in "This game sucks." is just ASKING to get flamed.
FLAME FLAME
Post your criticisms in a constructive, well thought out way, you will get constructive well thought out answers... and not to mention, respect.
Reap what you sow.
edit: For example,
This game doesn't reach my expectations for the following reasons... bla bla bla yackady, smackady.
Make sure your right about your 'facts', because as you can see, people are quick to tell you what's really going on. And for heaven's sake don't RANT. ranting = flaming
Originally posted by Saigonshakes What I learned from all these posts is that if anyone has ANYTHING bad to say about EQ2, they're going to get flamed big time. I'm not just reffering to this thread either. Anytime someone has something bad to say about the game they get bashed. You can call people fanbois all you want but when you're unwilling to accept that the game has flaws, you my friend are the fanboi. And I'm not saying EQ2 is going to be bad game, I just think it's stupid that all crtitisim is instantly disregarded.
lol... okay 1st let me start off by saying that ANYBODY who reads my posts knows that when it comes to the whole EQ2 vs. WoW thing and all that crap, im not on either side... infact, im personally planning on buying both games when i get my new computer... both games will be great, that's already a given... calling me a fanboi? LOL, good stuff anyways... it's not that anybody who says anything bad about EQ2 will get flamed... when people have honest issues with the game, i listen to them and take them just like the rest... but this is blatently a biased oppinion... over the past few months it's almost become a daily ritual for the WoW fanboys to go over to the EQ2 forums and flame random aspects of the game in a blind fanboy fit of lies and ill-informed flames... im not saying it never happens the other way around, but not NEARLY as often... WoW fanboys are BY FAR the worst kind i've ever seen... im willing to accept all flaw's that both games may have, as long as their actually flaw's, and not just fanboy rantings... THIS thread is a perfect example... i cant believe you cant see how insanely biased this thread is... that is unless of course you're biased yourself?... criticism is a good thing... fanboy rantings arent... -------------------------------- Games Played - Too many to list~ Games Currently Playing - City of Heroes Favorite Game So Far - Lineage 1 ^^ Waiting For - WoW (OB is gonna be hell T_T l337 d3wdz everywhere =_=)
Please don't judge me or any other mature WoW players because of your expiences with Bnet kiddies. Bnet has always had its share of immature children and it will continue in WoW regardless of what anyone says. Am I happy with this? No, I'm not...i play to have fun and not to listen to the utter stupidity of some of these kids. Go to the bnet forums for WoW. I'm sure you'll never want to play the game again. That's how i felt, but after playing the game and actually meeting some of the mature players this game just plain rocks.
Another aspect i'm not too fond of in EQ2 is the lack of soloability. In WoW i solo some quests and i group for a lot as well. But if i can't find a group i would like to at least have something to do until a group shows up.
I think i might just go d/l EQ2 now and see for myself.
"Johnny, what do you see?" "I see a lot of things"
sorry, no offense but... what the hell are you talking about?... when did i ever judge you or any of the other mature WoW players?...
the mature players are great... im planning on playing WoW myself... i know there are going to be mature WoW players, i personally know alot of mature people who will be playing WoW... im just talking about the immature kiddy fanbois...
and btw... i've never had anything to do with bnet ... never seen the forums, played games on it... nothing... im simply going off what i've seen from the typical WoW forums and such...
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Another aspect i'm not too fond of in EQ2 is the lack of soloability. In WoW i solo some quests and i group for a lot as well. But if i can't find a group i would like to at least have something to do until a group shows up. I think i might just go d/l EQ2 now and see for myself. "Johnny, what do you see?" "I see a lot of things"
Most of the time I play solo unless I need help killing a named group mob or something. Most of the lowb quests are solo anyway. But, if you are having fun in WoW, no need to waste 4-10 hours downloading this bad boy.
If anyone first rounds up everything they have to say in "This game sucks." is just ASKING to get flamed.
FLAME FLAME
Post your criticisms in a constructive, well thought out way, you will get constructive well thought out answers... and not to mention, respect.
Reap what you sow.
edit: For example,
This game doesn't reach my expectations for the following reasons... bla bla bla yackady, smackady.
Make sure your right about your 'facts', because as you can see, people are quick to tell you what's really going on. And for heaven's sake don't RANT. ranting = flaming
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
*gives Aeryith a cookie*
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My only major gripes with EQ2 are that 1) SOE is making some pretty big changes right before release, which means they won't be fully tested, and that means nerfs for all in the first month or two.
Second is the pathing/invisible mob issues. That's probably the biggest gamebreaker for me. Will it be fixed in the next patch? Maybe, but who knows.
Lastly is itemization, and quests. There are plenty of merchants with no items other than a bag, and a torch. There are alot of quests that still have issues. And not just some random FedEx quest, things like the Heritage quests, access quests, and armor quests for the various classes at lvl 20. God forbid you do the Betrayal quest. Some of it is simple enough to fix, like adding an extra spawn here and there, or something, but some of it will be harder to nail down in the next week. Some of it, like the Betrayal quest, they supposedly had fixed a patch or two back, but people are still having the same issues. They say it will be fixed in the next patch, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm sure someone will post the brilliant observation that MMOGs are never done, and so on, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a minimum acceptable level of quality that we, as consumers, should force the game companies, and more importantly, the publishers to adhere too. I've been through crappy releases before. I don't feel like paying to beta test yet another MMOG that was rushed out the door based not on whether it was ready, but what the bean counters decide.
I believe that EQ2 will be one of the best MMORPGs to come out in a long time, but EVERY game has bugs, big or small, when it first hits shelves. MOST have bugs forever and with any luck be fixed in a timely manner.
Plus, gamers should not expect a "PERFECT" MMORPG because everyone has their own idea of "PERFECT."
Now, ya'll are the first EQ2 beta testers that I have heard from that actually hate almost every portion of the game and maybe ya'll were either expecting too much or the game is just not for you at this point in time.
I am buying the game. I will be trying it out for myself.
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Originally posted by Johnark Uhh... it's cause everything you're saying that "Sucks" about EQ2's beta is stuff that usually gets fixed when the game is released in stores.Very poor arguments and comments, your thread means nothing to me, EQ2 is still on my buying list. Factional system? Care to be more specific on what sucks about it. Or you simply can't because you haven't even played the beta and you're a WoW fanboy trying to put EQ2 down?
First of all, THIS IS A SOE GAME! If you played other releases by soe, you'd know - they always release broken products, so no - more than half of these issues will not be fixed when the game is released.
Are you in beta? I am, and I fully agree with the thread topic, fanboi of WoW or not, makes no bit of difference. I can guarentee you that 70% of EQ2 beta testers will all tell you that this game is lacking.
I never asked for respect. When I say the game sucks, I mean it. I cant think of any other way to put it. To spend 20+million dollars on this game, and for the game to be what it is, its a tragedy.
I played the WoW beta for about a month and thought it sucked too. Im not a World of Warcraft fanboy in any way. The only MMORPG I play right now is Eve Online, and that is ending soon.
I seen alot of bickering going on in this thread and no questions about the game.
I told you I would tell you about any part of the game in an honest opinion. Because I say the game sucks, doesnt mean I am going to lie to you about what is currently in the game and what it is like.
Originally posted by r1tual Alot of responses. I never asked for respect. When I say the game sucks, I mean it. I cant think of any other way to put it. To spend 20+million dollars on this game, and for the game to be what it is, its a tragedy. I played the WoW beta for about a month and thought it sucked too. Im not a World of Warcraft fanboy in any way. The only MMORPG I play right now is Eve Online, and that is ending soon. I seen alot of bickering going on in this thread and no questions about the game.
I told you I would tell you about any part of the game in an honest opinion. Because I say the game sucks, doesnt mean I am going to lie to you about what is currently in the game and what it is like.
The game lags. Most zones are unplayable. Even today.
You sure you played the game today?
Most zones haven't been laggy for about a month now. Antonica and Commonlands were laggy up until today, but now they are instanced, and from what I have seen, they aren't laggy at all.
And what promised content is in the game?
And no game has "real" male mages.
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I play the game every day. I have a 4MB cable connection. Most zones lag. Not all the time. But even if they lowered the population allowed in each zone (which it is pretty low already), no lag doesnt make up for lack of "game".
It is the game that has the problems, and without lag it will still have problems much bigger.
Well most promised content IS NOT in the game. The stuff that is in. is "watered" down in my opinion. I seen alot of emphasis on adding missions and fixing the lag in the beta. That is about it. New features were sparse. The last two weeks we have gotten some really (in my mind) desperate attempts to get this game finished. And the years of community forum hype about what is supposed to be in the game, doesnt exist. Or it exists in a way that is incomplete or "obfuscating".
Sort of they took the easy way.
And I expect my male warlock to be one mean death dealing MAN. And not a GIRL in a mans body throwing sissy spells. Which proves what kind of people they probably have int heir art department and capturing animations. The screwed up man lovers.
sooo many silly little evercrack children.... common guys ur in friggin denial. just because ur addicted to a POS game doenst mean you should like the sequal. Go to theorpy and get of the evercrack!!! SONY SUCKS!!!! COMMON GET REAL! - money whores who crank out crappy games way before they should. just play WoW, blizzard doesnt crank out expansions everyweek or oppsess with money, they make badass quality games. EQ I = worst game ever, EQ II = the new future worst game ever. ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!! crazy crackheads
Originally posted by Johnark Uhh... it's cause everything you're saying that "Sucks" about EQ2's beta is stuff that usually gets fixed when the game is released in stores. Very poor arguments and comments, your thread means nothing to me, EQ2 is still on my buying list. Factional system? Care to be more specific on what sucks about it. Or you simply can't because you haven't even played the beta and you're a WoW fanboy trying to put EQ2 down?
The faction system was supposed to be you doing missions to earn faction within your city. Or picking a particular faction like an "alchemists" faction, to get access to their alchemy crafting stations. Or the more stuff you kill the more faction you get or lack of.
Every zone is like a new server. Diminish'es the MMO experience when you know that only 50 people or so are in the world you are in. They should of called this Everquest Shard 2.
What?
In Everquest 2 every zone is sort of like a seperate server.
So say there are two towns. Qeynos and Freeport. If you wanted to goto Qeynos you would first go into a "loading screen" and then you get to pick what instance of the town you want to go. For instance qeynos1, qeynos2, or qeynos3. Once qeynos1 fills upw ith say 50 people, qeynos 2 opens.
So you think that Everquest2 will have thousands of people playing together. That is not really really true in the general respect. At the most you will have about 50 people around you. If you want to meet new people you have to just by luck catch them. You arent in the same world with people. So if you knew your friend was playing. You have to tell your friend "I am in Qeynos 3". The only way he would be able to see you, he would have to try and get into qeynos 3 if it wasnt full already.
Which makes wanting to play with your friends a coordinated effort of making sure that you all join the same zone and zone number.
So really this game isnt a traditional MMORPG. It is more of a Multiplayer RPG. Not really Massive in any respect. Unless you consider a built in chat as being massively multiplayer. I dont.
Originally posted by Behold sooo many silly little evercrack children.... common guys ur in friggin denial. just because ur addicted to a POS game doenst mean you should like the sequal. Go to theorpy and get of the evercrack!!! SONY SUCKS!!!! COMMON GET REAL! - money whores who crank out crappy games way before they should. just play WoW, blizzard doesnt crank out expansions everyweek or oppsess with money, they make badass quality games. EQ I = worst game ever, EQ II = the new future worst game ever. ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!! crazy crackheads
lol...
i dont even think this needs flaming... pretty much did the job yourself...
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The game sucks. ... If you have any questions post them. I know everything there is about the game. I am not biased, im willing to give you an honest opinion without telling you it sucks.
/me rereads the above.
Anyway, I don't believe this guy for one minute. I have an (almost) completely different view of the game and am certainly going to go pick it up on the 9th.
Oh yeah, considering you are going to be in Freeport or Qeynos a LOT during the game, since they are the two main cities, I would recommend that you maybe try to learn where stuff is instead of saying "oh, there's too many npc's...I can't remember...this game sucks".
EDIT: r1tual doesn't appear to be a WoW fanboi and he thinks that game sucks too. Maybe he just doesn't like fantasy mmo's?
Hey there are about 10 different sections of each city which has its own zone. In each zone there are about 50-100 NPCs. Almost all of them give missions. So in my mission journal I have about 50 missions at any given time. It is almost impossible, unless you draw out your own map and store each npc location. Which is boring to me, and should of been done in a "fog of war" type map.
I dont think the game sucks because there is no map in the game. But is ONE of the reason. So lets not assume on my motive of why i didnt like the game. I listed about 10 things in my original post that i felt was negative about the game.
But if you want to debate over anything in the game you like, feel free. I just dont think anyone but an infomercial salesman would try.
Originally posted by BigPeeler lol... Oracle = owned... how come the only people i EVER see flaming EQ2 are raving WoW fanboys?...
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Because people that aren't fanboi's realize that both games will be good, but are for people who are looking for different things in their game.
Or they realize that both games will lack? It is a matter of perceptions! They will both be superior to old EQ(in time, not at release). They will both not offer me what I expect from a serious MMO.
- "Solo is, will always be, the main market. A MMORPG that succeed with little or no solo appeal is doing great considering they are ignoring the main player base.''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by BigPeeler overall... the preview sucked... it feels very biased for starters... i have a feeling you'll see this guy in WoW sometime soon... a few of the things you mentioned (such as the lag) have been fixed recently... most of the issues you seem to have, feel very "picked out" almost like you were digging for something wrong to find... once again making this preview feel very biased... you complain about stuff that shoudlnt even be complained about... "Every zone is like a new server"?... how many MMORPG's have you played?... it's called "zoning" and is done in practically 90% of the games out there... not to mention EQ2 uses instancing and trying to do that with seamless zoning is... well, it just doesnt happen... anyways, i give this preview a 1 out of 10... just feels too biased, like you already had it out for the game in the 1st place...
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I have no loyalty in any other game. Sorry your "He is a WoW fanboy" just isnt true.
The lag has been fixed by a "workaround" by adding more zones. It wasnt fixed. Its like your computer breaks, you might replace a broken part for something cheaper until you can put in new parts. That is all they did in my opinion.
Feel picked out? There is only so much in EEQ2 to talk about to begin with. Its not like the game has all kinds of intricities. I pretty much covered the general structures in EQ2. If you want my opinion on something, ask. I told you I didnt want to write 10 pages. I will talk about things if you want to hear about them. Anything you can think of ask.
I have played every MMORPG that has ever existed. I know about zoning. I am actually a game developer myself. I would rather stab myself in the leg then create a MMO that was instanced. As a programmer, I find that as unacceptable. And really not needed. At all.
I started playing EQ2 as something I WANTED to play. I love computer games. If EQ2 was good I would play it. I was pretty hyped about it. I never played EQ1 really. So for EQ2 I was looking forward to getting into this whole popular game they called EVerquest. I just dont think the game is worth my time or money. As much as I wanted it to be.
Because people that aren't fanboi's realize that both games will be good, but are for people who are looking for different things in their game.
Or they realize that both games will lack? It is a matter of perceptions! They will both be superior to old EQ(in time, not at release). They will both not offer me what I expect from a serious MMO.
- "Solo is, will always be, the main market. A MMORPG that succeed with little or no solo appeal is doing great considering they are ignoring the main player base.''
Ok, let's put it this way. If you don't like either of the big two games coming out nor any of the other mmo's on the market then you just don't like mmo's. Maybe in your fantasy world there exists a game that might satisfy you, but since in the real world all mmo's 'suck' to you, your opinion on them is worthless.
Originally posted by r1tual I have played every MMORPG that has ever existed. I know about zoning. I am actually a game developer myself. I would rather stab myself in the leg then create a MMO that was instanced. As a programmer, I find that as unacceptable. And really not needed. At all.
You must be a really shitty programmer to not know there are limits to the system.
Originally posted by r1tual Alot of responses. I never asked for respect. When I say the game sucks, I mean it. I cant think of any other way to put it. To spend 20+million dollars on this game, and for the game to be what it is, its a tragedy. I played the WoW beta for about a month and thought it sucked too. Im not a World of Warcraft fanboy in any way. The only MMORPG I play right now is Eve Online, and that is ending soon. I seen alot of bickering going on in this thread and no questions about the game.
I told you I would tell you about any part of the game in an honest opinion. Because I say the game sucks, doesnt mean I am going to lie to you about what is currently in the game and what it is like.
Question: How's the high end game?
Honestly only SOE can answer you that question.
The grind in EQ2 is compared to Lineage2, perhaps worse.
90% of the beta community was under level 30. Which is not that far after from picking your archetype.
They do have special quests that you can complete. High level zones. Thats about it. MOst of the zones they have done ALOT of reworking. So some of the higher level zones could be so unbalanced or pathetically easy and noone would know. It just wasnt tested.
Faction and prestige are not in EQ2 at this point. So the only reward in EQ2 currently is coin(money) from quests and leveling.
And then crafting. One thing that is specifically rewarding for high level content is crafting. Alot of good items to be made, and no doubt a TON of money to be made. But crafting is worthless at low levels. It is only rewarding on the higher levels.
Originally posted by r1tual I have played every MMORPG that has ever existed. I know about zoning. I am actually a game developer myself. I would rather stab myself in the leg then create a MMO that was instanced. As a programmer, I find that as unacceptable. And really not needed. At all.
You must be a really shitty programmer to not know there are limits to the system.
But there really isnt the degree of limits that the EQ2 programmers apparently think.
But maybe you can take your argument over to gameinstitute.com and spark up conversation there.
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I didnt say it wasnt biased BigPeeler. Thats why I said it wasnt just this thread. Actually read what I wrote then talk. I didnt directly call you a fanboi either. I said if you throw out all crticism thatn you are a fanboi. If you dont throw out all crticism I wouldnt call yo a fanboi. Simple as that. Again, take some time to actaully read my post before responding to it.
Please don't judge me or any other mature WoW players because of your expiences with Bnet kiddies. Bnet has always had its share of immature children and it will continue in WoW regardless of what anyone says. Am I happy with this? No, I'm not...i play to have fun and not to listen to the utter stupidity of some of these kids. Go to the bnet forums for WoW. I'm sure you'll never want to play the game again. That's how i felt, but after playing the game and actually meeting some of the mature players this game just plain rocks.
Another aspect i'm not too fond of in EQ2 is the lack of soloability. In WoW i solo some quests and i group for a lot as well. But if i can't find a group i would like to at least have something to do until a group shows up.
I think i might just go d/l EQ2 now and see for myself.
"Johnny, what do you see?"
"I see a lot of things"
"Johnny, what do you see?"
"I see a lot of things"
If anyone first rounds up everything they have to say in "This game sucks." is just ASKING to get flamed.
FLAME
FLAME
Post your criticisms in a constructive, well thought out way, you will get constructive well thought out answers... and not to mention, respect.
Reap what you sow.
edit: For example,
This game doesn't reach my expectations for the following reasons... bla bla bla yackady, smackady.
Make sure your right about your 'facts', because as you can see, people are quick to tell you what's really going on. And for heaven's sake don't RANT. ranting = flaming
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
Please don't judge me or any other mature WoW players because of your expiences with Bnet kiddies. Bnet has always had its share of immature children and it will continue in WoW regardless of what anyone says. Am I happy with this? No, I'm not...i play to have fun and not to listen to the utter stupidity of some of these kids. Go to the bnet forums for WoW. I'm sure you'll never want to play the game again. That's how i felt, but after playing the game and actually meeting some of the mature players this game just plain rocks.
Another aspect i'm not too fond of in EQ2 is the lack of soloability. In WoW i solo some quests and i group for a lot as well. But if i can't find a group i would like to at least have something to do until a group shows up.
I think i might just go d/l EQ2 now and see for myself.
"Johnny, what do you see?"
"I see a lot of things"
sorry, no offense but... what the hell are you talking about?... when did i ever judge you or any of the other mature WoW players?...
the mature players are great... im planning on playing WoW myself... i know there are going to be mature WoW players, i personally know alot of mature people who will be playing WoW... im just talking about the immature kiddy fanbois...
and btw... i've never had anything to do with bnet
... never seen the forums, played games on it... nothing... im simply going off what i've seen from the typical WoW forums and such...
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After reading the post, maybe SOE did brag about EQ2 too much but doesn't have the meat.
EQ2 is not done i know, but i think they won't be able to release on Nov.9, which shows they have work really slow =_=
I can't judge EQ2 myself cuz i am not in the beta
But i played WoW Beta, and i think it's not very new and different kind of MMORPG, but it is FUN.
I like their own theme and own skill system. But all mmorpgs are mostly click, hit, spell watever.
The only MMO that i think is worth trying is Guild Wars, it's a game taht's trying to go OUT of the box.
So i think it's worth the trying.
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If anyone first rounds up everything they have to say in "This game sucks." is just ASKING to get flamed.
FLAME
FLAME
Post your criticisms in a constructive, well thought out way, you will get constructive well thought out answers... and not to mention, respect.
Reap what you sow.
edit: For example,
This game doesn't reach my expectations for the following reasons... bla bla bla yackady, smackady.
Make sure your right about your 'facts', because as you can see, people are quick to tell you what's really going on. And for heaven's sake don't RANT. ranting = flaming
EQ2 Mantra: Get more RAM. Get more RAM.
*gives Aeryith a cookie*
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Games Currently Playing - City of Heroes
Favorite Game So Far - Lineage 1 ^^
Waiting For - EQ2 and WoW (OB is gonna be hell T_T l33t d3wdz everwhere >_<;;)
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My only major gripes with EQ2 are that 1) SOE is making some pretty big changes right before release, which means they won't be fully tested, and that means nerfs for all in the first month or two.
Second is the pathing/invisible mob issues. That's probably the biggest gamebreaker for me. Will it be fixed in the next patch? Maybe, but who knows.
Lastly is itemization, and quests. There are plenty of merchants with no items other than a bag, and a torch. There are alot of quests that still have issues. And not just some random FedEx quest, things like the Heritage quests, access quests, and armor quests for the various classes at lvl 20. God forbid you do the Betrayal quest. Some of it is simple enough to fix, like adding an extra spawn here and there, or something, but some of it will be harder to nail down in the next week. Some of it, like the Betrayal quest, they supposedly had fixed a patch or two back, but people are still having the same issues. They say it will be fixed in the next patch, but I won't hold my breath.
I'm sure someone will post the brilliant observation that MMOGs are never done, and so on, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a minimum acceptable level of quality that we, as consumers, should force the game companies, and more importantly, the publishers to adhere too. I've been through crappy releases before. I don't feel like paying to beta test yet another MMOG that was rushed out the door based not on whether it was ready, but what the bean counters decide.
Maybe the players should make up there own mind.
I believe that EQ2 will be one of the best MMORPGs to come out in a long time, but EVERY game has bugs, big or small, when it first hits shelves. MOST have bugs forever and with any luck be fixed in a timely manner.
Plus, gamers should not expect a "PERFECT" MMORPG because everyone has their own idea of "PERFECT."
Now, ya'll are the first EQ2 beta testers that I have heard from that actually hate almost every portion of the game and maybe ya'll were either expecting too much or the game is just not for you at this point in time.
I am buying the game. I will be trying it out for myself.
PERIOD.
*claps for Coldmeat*
see, that's how it's done...
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Games Played - Too many to list~
Games Currently Playing - City of Heroes
Favorite Game So Far - Lineage 1 ^^
Waiting For - EQ2 and WoW (OB is gonna be hell T_T l33t d3wdz everwhere >_<;;)
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First of all, THIS IS A SOE GAME! If you played other releases by soe, you'd know - they always release broken products, so no - more than half of these issues will not be fixed when the game is released.
Are you in beta? I am, and I fully agree with the thread topic, fanboi of WoW or not, makes no bit of difference. I can guarentee you that 70% of EQ2 beta testers will all tell you that this game is lacking.
the game is SIMS 2 GONE MIDEVIL, nuff said
Alot of responses.
I never asked for respect. When I say the game sucks, I mean it. I cant think of any other way to put it. To spend 20+million dollars on this game, and for the game to be what it is, its a tragedy.
I played the WoW beta for about a month and thought it sucked too. Im not a World of Warcraft fanboy in any way. The only MMORPG I play right now is Eve Online, and that is ending soon.
I seen alot of bickering going on in this thread and no questions about the game.
I told you I would tell you about any part of the game in an honest opinion. Because I say the game sucks, doesnt mean I am going to lie to you about what is currently in the game and what it is like.
Question: How's the high end game?
You sure you played the game today?
Most zones haven't been laggy for about a month now. Antonica and Commonlands were laggy up until today, but now they are instanced, and from what I have seen, they aren't laggy at all.
And what promised content is in the game?
And no game has "real" male mages.
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I play the game every day. I have a 4MB cable connection. Most zones lag. Not all the time. But even if they lowered the population allowed in each zone (which it is pretty low already), no lag doesnt make up for lack of "game".
It is the game that has the problems, and without lag it will still have problems much bigger.
Well most promised content IS NOT in the game. The stuff that is in. is "watered" down in my opinion. I seen alot of emphasis on adding missions and fixing the lag in the beta. That is about it. New features were sparse. The last two weeks we have gotten some really (in my mind) desperate attempts to get this game finished. And the years of community forum hype about what is supposed to be in the game, doesnt exist. Or it exists in a way that is incomplete or "obfuscating".
Sort of they took the easy way.
And I expect my male warlock to be one mean death dealing MAN. And not a GIRL in a mans body throwing sissy spells. Which proves what kind of people they probably have int heir art department and capturing animations. The screwed up man lovers.
sooo many silly little evercrack children.... common guys ur in friggin denial. just because ur addicted to a POS game doenst mean you should like the sequal. Go to theorpy and get of the evercrack!!! SONY SUCKS!!!! COMMON GET REAL! - money whores who crank out crappy games way before they should. just play WoW, blizzard doesnt crank out expansions everyweek or oppsess with money, they make badass quality games. EQ I = worst game ever, EQ II = the new future worst game ever. ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!! crazy crackheads
The faction system was supposed to be you doing missions to earn faction within your city. Or picking a particular faction like an "alchemists" faction, to get access to their alchemy crafting stations. Or the more stuff you kill the more faction you get or lack of.
None of this exists.
In Everquest 2 every zone is sort of like a seperate server.
So say there are two towns. Qeynos and Freeport. If you wanted to goto Qeynos you would first go into a "loading screen" and then you get to pick what instance of the town you want to go. For instance qeynos1, qeynos2, or qeynos3. Once qeynos1 fills upw ith say 50 people, qeynos 2 opens.
So you think that Everquest2 will have thousands of people playing together. That is not really really true in the general respect. At the most you will have about 50 people around you. If you want to meet new people you have to just by luck catch them. You arent in the same world with people. So if you knew your friend was playing. You have to tell your friend "I am in Qeynos 3". The only way he would be able to see you, he would have to try and get into qeynos 3 if it wasnt full already.
Which makes wanting to play with your friends a coordinated effort of making sure that you all join the same zone and zone number.
So really this game isnt a traditional MMORPG. It is more of a Multiplayer RPG. Not really Massive in any respect. Unless you consider a built in chat as being massively multiplayer. I dont.
lol...
i dont even think this needs flaming... pretty much did the job yourself...
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Games Played - Too many to list~
Games Currently Playing - City of Heroes
Favorite Game So Far - Lineage 1 ^^
Waiting For - EQ2 and WoW (OB is gonna be hell T_T l33t d3wdz everwhere >_<;;)
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/me rereads the above.
Anyway, I don't believe this guy for one minute. I have an (almost) completely different view of the game and am certainly going to go pick it up on the 9th.
Oh yeah, considering you are going to be in Freeport or Qeynos a LOT during the game, since they are the two main cities, I would recommend that you maybe try to learn where stuff is instead of saying "oh, there's too many npc's...I can't remember...this game sucks".
EDIT: r1tual doesn't appear to be a WoW fanboi and he thinks that game sucks too. Maybe he just doesn't like fantasy mmo's?
Hey there are about 10 different sections of each city which has its own zone. In each zone there are about 50-100 NPCs. Almost all of them give missions. So in my mission journal I have about 50 missions at any given time. It is almost impossible, unless you draw out your own map and store each npc location. Which is boring to me, and should of been done in a "fog of war" type map.
I dont think the game sucks because there is no map in the game. But is ONE of the reason. So lets not assume on my motive of why i didnt like the game. I listed about 10 things in my original post that i felt was negative about the game.
But if you want to debate over anything in the game you like, feel free. I just dont think anyone but an infomercial salesman would try.
Or they realize that both games will lack?
- "Solo is, will always be, the main market. A MMORPG that succeed with little or no solo appeal is doing great considering they are ignoring the main player base.''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I have no loyalty in any other game. Sorry your "He is a WoW fanboy" just isnt true.
The lag has been fixed by a "workaround" by adding more zones. It wasnt fixed. Its like your computer breaks, you might replace a broken part for something cheaper until you can put in new parts. That is all they did in my opinion.
Feel picked out? There is only so much in EEQ2 to talk about to begin with. Its not like the game has all kinds of intricities. I pretty much covered the general structures in EQ2. If you want my opinion on something, ask. I told you I didnt want to write 10 pages. I will talk about things if you want to hear about them. Anything you can think of ask.
I have played every MMORPG that has ever existed. I know about zoning. I am actually a game developer myself. I would rather stab myself in the leg then create a MMO that was instanced. As a programmer, I find that as unacceptable. And really not needed. At all.
I started playing EQ2 as something I WANTED to play. I love computer games. If EQ2 was good I would play it. I was pretty hyped about it. I never played EQ1 really. So for EQ2 I was looking forward to getting into this whole popular game they called EVerquest. I just dont think the game is worth my time or money. As much as I wanted it to be.
- "Solo is, will always be, the main market. A MMORPG that succeed with little or no solo appeal is doing great considering they are ignoring the main player base.''
Ok, let's put it this way. If you don't like either of the big two games coming out nor any of the other mmo's on the market then you just don't like mmo's. Maybe in your fantasy world there exists a game that might satisfy you, but since in the real world all mmo's 'suck' to you, your opinion on them is worthless.
Question: How's the high end game?
Honestly only SOE can answer you that question.
The grind in EQ2 is compared to Lineage2, perhaps worse.
90% of the beta community was under level 30. Which is not that far after from picking your archetype.
They do have special quests that you can complete. High level zones. Thats about it. MOst of the zones they have done ALOT of reworking. So some of the higher level zones could be so unbalanced or pathetically easy and noone would know. It just wasnt tested.
Faction and prestige are not in EQ2 at this point. So the only reward in EQ2 currently is coin(money) from quests and leveling.
And then crafting. One thing that is specifically rewarding for high level content is crafting. Alot of good items to be made, and no doubt a TON of money to be made. But crafting is worthless at low levels. It is only rewarding on the higher levels.
But there really isnt the degree of limits that the EQ2 programmers apparently think.
But maybe you can take your argument over to gameinstitute.com and spark up conversation there.