Why would they remake DAoC with a warhammer skin? That makes even less sense than remaking WoW. Warhammer has some things that are unique and it's been a mild sucess. Looking for games that are just like other games is a fool's errand. Look for the differences and concentrate on what each game has to offer.
good quote ive been wondering why all the daoc guys have been screaming about how much it isnt like daoc when mythic said warhammer wouldnt be the spiritual succesor to daoc
Ow I'm definitely not saying LOTRO isn't doing well, just that I can't find any numbers. From what I hear so far it seems to be doing very well and the last expansion seems to have given it a nice boost.
Turbine does not release number for LOTRO. They have said its the second most populace game in NA market Ithink (said this before WAR release).
WAR is by no means a "flop". It's doing quite well, although obviously not as well as Mythic seemed to expect with their massive server rollout at launch (120+ servers just seems like pure madness, although hindsight is always easy). The game is becoming more polished for each patch, and people seem to be having a lot of fun in-game. Forums also seem to be mostly positive, where there used to be a lot of "fail fail fail". Mythic's been addressing a lot of issues and have been squashing bugs left and right, and it shows.
How about this. Give the game thats not been out for 6 months yet a couple of years, then start comparing it to a game that had those couple of years, and a major expansion time to grow (Wow for the dimwits out there).
How about this. Give the game thats not been out for 6 months yet a couple of years, then start comparing it to a game that had those couple of years, and a major expansion time to grow (Wow for the dimwits out there).
I guess we could do that, Jtrav1987. But then again, if the chief guy responsible for Warhammer says this confidently:
Look at us six months out. Look at us six weeks out. If were not adding servers, were not doing well, said Mark Jacobs prior to launch.
Why would anyone wait? First guidepost was six weeks out, that one is done.
I guess the next one is in three months.
Again, when someone in his position makes these types of statements, is it any wonder someone makes threads entitled: "Can Warhammer really be considered a flop?"
Please stop trying to make it seem as though people didn't have a reason to post this type of topics.. they were practically DARED into doing it at launch by MJ himself.
@ Markoraos - this wasn't meant to be a propaganda thread at all. Although I just hit T4, I'm actually having far more fun in WAR than I ever did in WOW. But Blizzard just released numbers for WOTLK sales, which of course has got the WOW camp fired up and proclaiming how WAR is a "ZOMG EPIC FAIL" by comparison. I'm just trying to point out that's not actually the case, though it's hard to claim success if the bar is set 11.5 million subs.
Oh well, then it's all well for WAR because, just like MBJ said, one game's success is good for the whole genre. More WoW players = more MMO players - some of which will eventually find their way to WAR and other MMOs.
It turned out this wasn't just an empty rhetoric - I'd say that AoC's failure hurt WAR's sales and reception much much more than WotLK's success. A lot of people broken-hearted over AoC (and Vanguard etc) turned their anger towards WAR - they would have forgiven anything to their baby but once it turned rotten they were hell-bent on proving that all other new games suck. If AoC turned a success then the door would have been opened for other games. WAR simply came out at a bad time filled with a lot of negativity and resentment.
However even with all that I wouldn't call it a flop by far lol. I love to play it and it is the best mmo for me out at the moment, hands down. In addition I daily see people new to WAR on my server (it's not just alts and transfers by far lol). I'd say WAR has just recovered from initial subscription losses normal for any new release and is only now beginning it's true growth. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it reached 1 mil subscribers at the end of its first year - unless EA gets cold feet and does something stupid that is. From what I've seen so far there is very very slight chance of that happening, if at all.
You people who plead for people to give the game more time realize that even when compared to the initial WoW product, this game falls woefully short in both polish and design?
The initial server issues WoW had at launch pale in comparison to the fundamental flaws this game have, nor does it some how justify the problems this game suffers from.
So in closing; I would like to state that you people shut the hell up and stop with the WoW Launch comparisons.
I'm looking at this game as it is now, and as a game; it fails. I don't care what WoW did, nor is it relevant in the least.
Let's talk about 'flop' for a minute. If by 'flop' you mean the game didn't fulfill every desire of every rabid fanboi and put Blizzard out of business two days after launch, then yeah, it's a flop, because the WoW devs still draw a paycheck. I don't think EA sees it that way though; simply put, it's all about the benjamins (that's dollars, for you non-US readers. See, Benjamin Franklin is on the US$100 bill...). As long as the game makes a profit (especially in this economy), I doubt anyone with any authority to do so will be considering it a flop.
war is a failed as their system requirements for the same cartoony graphics is more demanding than wow (wow's success is due to the fact that yesteday's average pc can play it.) the other factors that makes war a failiure. 1) is the poorly and confusing quests, wtf why should we be running aimless around. 2) technical issues with vista making the game crash to desktop quite often. 3) poor customer service and response. 4) long queue times for scenarios average 15-30mins and level in-balance (well they could hv done this the counterstrike way which makes it more skill dependent rather than higher levels having quite an advantage in 1vs1 situations). 5) crappy graphics wow has been graphics. 6) no ffa pvp between factions only in designated zones wtf.... just my 2 cents
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
You people who plead for people to give the game more time realize that even when compared to the initial WoW product, this game falls woefully short in both polish and design?
The initial server issues WoW had at launch pale in comparison to the fundamental flaws this game have, nor does it some how justify the problems this game suffers from.
So in closing; I would like to state that you people shut the hell up and stop with the WoW Launch comparisons.
I'm looking at this game as it is now, and as a game; it fails. I don't care what WoW did, nor is it relevant in the least.
i beg to differ, if you do not have anything to measure/compare against how would you know which is better hence wow coming into the equation (ps I hate wow but grudging admit that they succeeded where others have failed).
I keep hearing from fans of a certain other game cough WOW cough that WAR is a total flop and financial disaster. This post is not to start a fanboi flamefest, but only to point out that WAR actually did very well in total box sales - .1.2 million and had 800,000 subscribers in the month after launch. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6200329.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1 Now, I recognize that WAR may not have 800K today, I think part of that is they launched at the same time as Blizzard's latest big release. I have nothing against Blizzard, but let's face it - they are the top name in PC Gaming. If you compare WAR sales to other AAA PC titles, it's actually been a major success. And the estimated 600K current subscribers makes it one of the biggest MMOGs behind WOW in North America/Europe. That means WAR is far from an "epic fail" or a "dying game." Personally, I think if Mythic can keep improving the game as quickly as they are doing, subs will surpass 1 million as people get burned out on WOTLK.
Many times - especially on forums such as these - players will call a game a flop and a failure simply because they don't like it. They'll say a game is dying because they and a few people they know stopped playing (as though the thousands of others still playing somehow don't count)...
Basically, some people very seldom make statements with any objective merit.
They can't simply not like a game and leave it at that. No no. Their not liking a game must have some significant reason and/or circumstance.
So... when someone says "WAR is a failure", I translate that into "I didn't like it"
Here's an example, just to show you the complete lack of logic some of these people have.
I was talking to a guy I know who plays WoW on Ventrilo one day. We were talking about different MMOs and I was saying how funny it is how players will call a game a failure simply because they don't like it, despite how many others are playing it.
"Take LoTRO, for example", I said. "That game has around 200k players, give or take, which is a perfectly healthy population. Not an OMG runaway phenomenon, but a healthy population that's making Turbine money and allowing them to continue developing it. Still there are people who will say it's a failure, or a dying game anyway."
Well, what I wasn't expecting was his response...
"Well, I would say LoTRO is a failure."
Surprised, I asked why.
"Because, see.. I *know* people who play WoW. I *know* people who play other MMOs. So, those MMOs I would call a success. But, I don't know *anyone* who plays or even *likes* LoTRO. So, that tells me the game is a failure."
I said "But... there are around 200 thousand people playing it... Whether you know any of them or not doesn't change that."
He replied "Doesn't matter. If I don't know anyone who likes the game - and I know a *lot* of gamers - then how successful can it be? So, I say it's a failure"
"So," I replied now rather amused at the unabashed conceit this guy was displaying, "a game's population doesn't matter if you don't know any of them personally... This is what you're telling me"
"Well, yeah. If the game was successful, I should know at least *one* person who plays or likes it. But I don't. And I can't say that about any other MMO I know about."
I asked "Do you realize how completely ridiculous your logic is?"
"It's not ridiculous", he barked back.. "It's common sense. Just because you like the game doesn't make it any different"
At that point, I just said "Ooooookay... I'll leave you to your absurd closed-minded opinions, then."
"Just telling it how it is", he said smugly. "The game is a failure".
I just left it alone after that.
But there you go.. This isn't someone on a forum... This is a person I talk to all the time on Ventrilo, with this completely screw-ball outlook.
I brought up this conversation with a few others who are also on that Vent channel and know him for a lot longer than I do. None of them were surprised. "Yeah that's typical. He comes out with a lot of really stupid comments. We just sorta nod and smile at this point".
Don't try to be reasonable with those people... It's a lost cause. Just sorta point and laugh.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I play WAR and the only reason Im sat here reading this is cause im eating my brekkie...
Im now going back to playing the game with other peeps....
"Obi-Wan Kenobi: We were decieved by a lie; we all were. It appears that SOE is behind everything, including the NGE! After the death of CU, the NGE became their new apprentice."
I keep hearing from fans of a certain other game cough WOW cough that WAR is a total flop and financial disaster. This post is not to start a fanboi flamefest, but only to point out that WAR actually did very well in total box sales - .1.2 million and had 800,000 subscribers in the month after launch. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6200329.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1 Now, I recognize that WAR may not have 800K today, I think part of that is they launched at the same time as Blizzard's latest big release. I have nothing against Blizzard, but let's face it - they are the top name in PC Gaming. If you compare WAR sales to other AAA PC titles, it's actually been a major success. And the estimated 600K current subscribers makes it one of the biggest MMOGs behind WOW in North America/Europe. That means WAR is far from an "epic fail" or a "dying game." Personally, I think if Mythic can keep improving the game as quickly as they are doing, subs will surpass 1 million as people get burned out on WOTLK.
Many times - especially on forums such as these - players will call a game a flop and a failure simply because they don't like it. They'll say a game is dying because they and a few people they know stopped playing (as though the thousands of others still playing somehow don't count)...
Basically, some people very seldom make statements with any objective merit.
They can't simply not like a game and leave it at that. No no. Their not liking a game must have some significant reason and/or circumstance.
So... when someone says "WAR is a failure", I translate that into "I didn't like it"
Here's an example, just to show you the complete lack of logic some of these people have.
I was talking to a guy I know who plays WoW on Ventrilo one day. We were talking about different MMOs and I was saying how funny it is how players will call a game a failure simply because they don't like it, despite how many others are playing it.
"Take LoTRO, for example", I said. "That game has around 200k players, give or take, which is a perfectly healthy population. Not an OMG runaway phenomenon, but a healthy population that's making Turbine money and allowing them to continue developing it. Still there are people who will say it's a failure, or a dying game anyway."
Well, what I wasn't expecting was his response...
"Well, I would say LoTRO is a failure."
Surprised, I asked why.
"Because, see.. I *know* people who play WoW. I *know* people who play other MMOs. So, those MMOs I would call a success. But, I don't know *anyone* who plays or even *likes* LoTRO. So, that tells me the game is a failure."
I said "But... there are around 200 thousand people playing it... Whether you know any of them or not doesn't change that."
He replied "Doesn't matter. If I don't know anyone who likes the game - and I know a *lot* of gamers - then how successful can it be? So, I say it's a failure"
"So," I replied now rather amused at the unabashed conceit this guy was displaying, "a game's population doesn't matter if you don't know any of them personally... This is what you're telling me"
"Well, yeah. If the game was successful, I should know at least *one* person who plays or likes it. But I don't. And I can't say that about any other MMO I know about."
I asked "Do you realize how completely ridiculous your logic is?"
"It's not ridiculous", he barked back.. "It's common sense. Just because you like the game doesn't make it any different"
At that point, I just said "Ooooookay... I'll leave you to your absurd closed-minded opinions, then."
"Just telling it how it is", he said smugly. "The game is a failure".
I just left it alone after that.
But there you go.. This isn't someone on a forum... This is a person I talk to all the time on Ventrilo, with this completely screw-ball outlook.
I brought up this conversation with a few others who are also on that Vent channel and know him for a lot longer than I do. None of them were surprised. "Yeah that's typical. He comes out with a lot of really stupid comments. We just sorta nod and smile at this point".
Don't try to be reasonable with those people... It's a lost cause. Just sorta point and laugh.
Hmm i guess thats what you get when you talk to people that dont have that thing called an education.
I guess there are many ways a game can be a failure: the aoc way the game is supposed to be the messiah and save us all from wow but in the end its barely better than the average f2P grind. And the there is the tabula rasa kind of failure where the game closes.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
you wow fanboys gota realize blizz counts inactive accounts ...people that quadbox and so on ....i dont believe wow has the subs they say they have thats all a advertisment scam to get you to play ....also here are some warhammer numbers ..dosent seem to me warhammer is dieing like all your DOOM and GLOOMer cry babys are talking http://www.waralytics.com/warservers/index they have over a mil right now so in your face goom and gloom QQers
What you, WAR fanboy (yes you are) gotta realize is that people dualbox++ and so on in WAR aswell. Funny how you throw the numbers from Blizzard out the window in one sweep and in the next one praise the number from some obscure tallying site claiming real numbers. They don't even count number of subscriptions, but number of characters. I always get alot of alts on every mmo I play. It's just my preferred way of doing it. Sure, I don't advance so fast, but who cares.
Anyway, if you're looking at the goals Mythic set down from the start then yes, WAR is a flop. When you look at it more realistically it seems to be plopping around quite ok. Could've been better, but not bad at all. Game's not my cup of tea though.
i beg to differ, if you do not have anything to measure/compare against how would you know which is better hence wow coming into the equation (ps I hate wow but grudging admit that they succeeded where others have failed).
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YEAH, no. People saying "Its ok for fortress raids to crash and for the game to play like a game designer drop out's shoddy engine, WOW HAD SERVER PROBLEMS AT LAUNCH" is not a viable comparison.
war is a failed as their system requirements for the same cartoony graphics is more demanding than wow (wow's success is due to the fact that yesteday's average pc can play it.) the other factors that makes war a failiure. 1) is the poorly and confusing quests, wtf why should we be running aimless around. 2) technical issues with vista making the game crash to desktop quite often. 3) poor customer service and response. 4) long queue times for scenarios average 15-30mins and level in-balance (well they could hv done this the counterstrike way which makes it more skill dependent rather than higher levels having quite an advantage in 1vs1 situations). 5) crappy graphics wow has been graphics. 6) no ffa pvp between factions only in designated zones wtf.... just my 2 cents
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. AoC had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone took FC 4 months to fix (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to WAR's. By comparison, WAR was a far more complete game than AoC still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, FC provided absolutely horrific customer service for AoC. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with Mythic than with FC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is garbage.
I keep hearing from fans of a certain other game cough WOW cough that WAR is a total flop and financial disaster. This post is not to start a fanboi flamefest, but only to point out that WAR actually did very well in total box sales - .1.2 million and had 800,000 subscribers in the month after launch. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6200329.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1 Now, I recognize that WAR may not have 800K today, I think part of that is they launched at the same time as Blizzard's latest big release. I have nothing against Blizzard, but let's face it - they are the top name in PC Gaming. If you compare WAR sales to other AAA PC titles, it's actually been a major success. And the estimated 600K current subscribers makes it one of the biggest MMOGs behind WOW in North America/Europe. That means WAR is far from an "epic fail" or a "dying game." Personally, I think if Mythic can keep improving the game as quickly as they are doing, subs will surpass 1 million as people get burned out on WOTLK.
Hmm i guess thats what you get when you talk to people that dont have that thing called an education.
I guess there are many ways a game can be a failure: the aoc way the game is supposed to be the messiah and save us all from wow but in the end its barely better than the average f2P grind. And the there is the tabula rasa kind of failure where the game closes.
Well... The first example, where the game is supposed to be the messiah, as you put it, is entirely subjective. No company comes straight out and says "Our game will be the second coming, it will give all players a game that is righteous and good and will rid the world of that dastardly WoW"... or whatever. Even if the marketing makes it *sound* that way (creating hype *is* their purpose, after all), it's an expectation players themselves place on a new title. And boy do many do it - a lot.
See DF for one recent example many are regarding as the Ark that will save all gamers from a flooding Earth; the zeal is just as emotional and almost as religious in some cases.
In that case, the game is a "failure" on an entirely subjective level, though its detractors will often frame it as though the game is a failure in every conceivable way (such as the person I talked to in my example).
Tabula Rasa is a failure in the objective sense, because it did indeed fail and all real-world evidence points to this. Whatever the reasons, It's being taken offline.
Asheron's Call 2, a game I personally enjoyed quite a lot, was a failure. It failed to perform well enough for Turbine to keep it running, and so it was taken offline (though it did have a longer run than TR at least :-p).
So while there are different kinds of failures, I agree... each should be regarded as what it is... a subjective failure, limited to an individuals expectations, and an objective one, supported by real world circumstances.
Problem here is, people seem to treat both cases equally.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
war is a failed as their system requirements for the same cartoony graphics is more demanding than wow (wow's success is due to the fact that yesteday's average pc can play it.) the other factors that makes war a failiure. 1) is the poorly and confusing quests, wtf why should we be running aimless around. 2) technical issues with vista making the game crash to desktop quite often. 3) poor customer service and response. 4) long queue times for scenarios average 15-30mins and level in-balance (well they could hv done this the counterstrike way which makes it more skill dependent rather than higher levels having quite an advantage in 1vs1 situations). 5) crappy graphics wow has been graphics. 6) no ffa pvp between factions only in designated zones wtf.... just my 2 cents
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
"well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch"
It must because of the simple fact, you and people like you are here...Let me explain, I used to play Lineage 2, I dont anymore, but I dont go to any L2 forums anymore since I stopped playing. I used to play wow, same as L2, I dont go to any wow forums. I bought Guild Wars and after 3 weeks, realized the game wasnt an MMO IMO and left. But I dont go to any of those game forums and talk smack. I dont read the GW forums waiting for my chance to discredit the game. I think that is lame. You come to the WAR forums and go back and forth with WAR fans, on the WAR FORUMS and try to tell us...
"well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch" ummmm, whatever you say guy.
It shouldn't take that much of your thought process that just because you do things one way doesn't mean other people automatically should do it that way should it? Some people just like hanging around forums, even after they leave, or for games that interested them but ended up not being their choice etc.
There's a million reasons why people would hang around some forums, or are you trying to reduce all those to a single reason, the one that would be valid in your own world if you stayed behind on a forum?
war is a failed as their system requirements for the same cartoony graphics is more demanding than wow (wow's success is due to the fact that yesteday's average pc can play it.) the other factors that makes war a failiure. 1) is the poorly and confusing quests, wtf why should we be running aimless around. 2) technical issues with vista making the game crash to desktop quite often. 3) poor customer service and response. 4) long queue times for scenarios average 15-30mins and level in-balance (well they could hv done this the counterstrike way which makes it more skill dependent rather than higher levels having quite an advantage in 1vs1 situations). 5) crappy graphics wow has been graphics. 6) no ffa pvp between factions only in designated zones wtf.... just my 2 cents
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. WAR had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone are still ongoing (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to AoC's. By comparison, AoC was a far more complete game than WAR still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, MYTHIC provids absolutely horrific customer service for WAR, just look at the lack of official forums in this day and age. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with FC than with MYTHIC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is a lot better in performance.
Wow. Just... wow.
Fixed.
``why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide``
exactly..
i am sorry both AoC and WAR failed. i think it is obvious that mythic paid some reviewers to give 100% score. it is also obvious that WAR failed big time, it drew a bigger crowd (aimed at kids) and therefore there is more failure talk. naturally, my boy comes home from school and tells me how upset all his friends are with WAR that the game crashes and is just boring. Hopes were high and dashed. will never buy a mythic game again. unbalanced classes, crap population, shit fed ex quests, no social aspect, no one talks just plain failhammer...
A+ for well designed anti-WAR propaganda. If you put "X really isn't that bad" in the title then you're suggesting that X need defending - therefore that it must be bad. This is a very common technique, particularly in newspapers. "Did Iraq get rid of its WMDs?" implies that they had WMDs in the first place. "Is Bush really such a bad president?" implies that Bush is a bad president. And when you confront the journalist with it he'll tell you that he actually meant the opposite "lol I'm defending the president man." It is a pretty insidious trick but nothing really original. Any journalism college will teach you this and many other nice jedi mind tricks you can play with words. Kudos for technique and style OP. /edit However since you're not one of the usual hate trolls here I'll allow that you probably made a honest mistake. If you wanted to spread the word that WAR isn't a flop then the worst thing you could do was make a tread with the title "Can Warhammer really be considered a flop?"
Paranoid much? It's just a post on a gaming site, relax. Also if you actually READ what he wrote, he is promoting the game... A+ on missing his point.
(pseudo)/edit
However since you went back and looked into his profile and previous posts to justify your absurd reply (although subsequently finding no supporting evidence) I'll allow that you are probably an honest internerd who was just looking to take his daily frustrations out on someone else (like I am doing here), but picked a bad target (unlike what I am doing here). Returning with an edit, and trying top reclaim some of your lost honour, was a mistake though. Erasing all trace of your conspiracy theory would have been a wiser choice.
war is a failed as their system requirements for the same cartoony graphics is more demanding than wow (wow's success is due to the fact that yesteday's average pc can play it.) the other factors that makes war a failiure. 1) is the poorly and confusing quests, wtf why should we be running aimless around. 2) technical issues with vista making the game crash to desktop quite often. 3) poor customer service and response. 4) long queue times for scenarios average 15-30mins and level in-balance (well they could hv done this the counterstrike way which makes it more skill dependent rather than higher levels having quite an advantage in 1vs1 situations). 5) crappy graphics wow has been graphics. 6) no ffa pvp between factions only in designated zones wtf.... just my 2 cents
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. WAR had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone are still ongoing (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to AoC's. By comparison, AoC was a far more complete game than WAR still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, MYTHIC provids absolutely horrific customer service for WAR, just look at the lack of official forums in this day and age. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with FC than with MYTHIC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is a lot better in performance.
Wow. Just... wow.
Fixed.
``why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide``
exactly..
i am sorry both AoC and WAR failed. i think it is obvious that mythic paid some reviewers to give 100% score. it is also obvious that WAR failed big time, it drew a bigger crowd (aimed at kids) and therefore there is more failure talk. naturally, my boy comes home from school and tells me how upset all his friends are with WAR that the game crashes and is just boring. Hopes were high and dashed. will never buy a mythic game again. unbalanced classes, crap population, shit fed ex quests, no social aspect, no one talks just plain failhammer...
Ah, the "post-fixer". Is there any more mentally challenged type of forum participant - one that brings less insight or valuable information to a forum - than a habitual "post-fixer"? I applaud you for your lack of creativity and thought. Your post almost invalidates itself, with no help required, just by identifying yourself as a "post-fixer".
As to your assertions, my experience with the game is pretty much diametrically opposed to yours, which makes me wonder if you've ever actually played the game. In my opinion, this game has better class balance than most MMOs, and they are designed more for group play, which is the crux of the game.
The population on many of the servers is very good. As one example, the population on Ostermark is very good, both in number and Order/Destro balance.
"FEDEX" quests are a staple of every game than has quests, which might be a huge surprise to you (the world is also round, which would probably also surprise you, post-fixer).
Social aspect is what you make of it. Join a guild, if you can find one that would accept you.
Lots of talk goes on while playing the game. I know, I've heard the "no talk" BS before, too. When they added the region chat, that improved markedly. Oh, and again, join a decent guild.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on WAR. If you have trouble understanding any of my points, I'll rework it using smaller words. You are, after all, a post-fixer.
war is a failed as their system requirements for the same cartoony graphics is more demanding than wow (wow's success is due to the fact that yesteday's average pc can play it.) the other factors that makes war a failiure. 1) is the poorly and confusing quests, wtf why should we be running aimless around. 2) technical issues with vista making the game crash to desktop quite often. 3) poor customer service and response. 4) long queue times for scenarios average 15-30mins and level in-balance (well they could hv done this the counterstrike way which makes it more skill dependent rather than higher levels having quite an advantage in 1vs1 situations). 5) crappy graphics wow has been graphics. 6) no ffa pvp between factions only in designated zones wtf.... just my 2 cents
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. WAR had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone are still ongoing (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to AoC's. By comparison, AoC was a far more complete game than WAR still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, MYTHIC provids absolutely horrific customer service for WAR, just look at the lack of official forums in this day and age. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with FC than with MYTHIC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is a lot better in performance.
Wow. Just... wow.
Fixed.
``why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide``
exactly..
i am sorry both AoC and WAR failed. i think it is obvious that mythic paid some reviewers to give 100% score. it is also obvious that WAR failed big time, it drew a bigger crowd (aimed at kids) and therefore there is more failure talk. naturally, my boy comes home from school and tells me how upset all his friends are with WAR that the game crashes and is just boring. Hopes were high and dashed. will never buy a mythic game again. unbalanced classes, crap population, shit fed ex quests, no social aspect, no one talks just plain failhammer...
Ah, the "post-fixer". Is there any more mentally challenged type of forum participant - one that brings less insight or valuable information to a forum - than a habitual "post-fixer"? I applaud you for your lack of creativity and thought. Your post almost invalidates itself, with no help required, just by identifying yourself as a "post-fixer".
I am sorry you can't take my opinion as it differs from your own, maybe your lacking somewhere?
As to your assertions, my experience with the game is pretty much diametrically opposed to yours, which makes me wonder if you've ever actually played the game. In my opinion, this game has better class balance than most MMOs, and they are designed more for group play, which is the crux of the game.
Again you neglect to take my opinion on board and as it differs from yours therefore it is wrong? I could always link the thousands of posts on say warhammer alliance that share my viewpoint, they have to post there you see because Jacobs cant take crititism. Just like yourself.. or respect different viewpoints because it differs from your own perfect little experiences.
The population on many of the servers is very good. As one example, the population on Ostermark is very good, both in number and Order/Destro balance.
No they are not - please do not lie. Pick 5 servers blindly and then create a new character, good luck in trying to find 10 different people before you hit level 15. "Some" like what 4? from 50 are good.. rofl
"FEDEX" quests are a staple of every game than has quests, which might be a huge surprise to you (the world is also round, which would probably also surprise you, post-fixer).
insults. that is very manly of you
Social aspect is what you make of it. Join a guild, if you can find one that would accept you.
3 guilds on 3 different servers now, population still sucks.. guilds were not bad, just not many people in them.
Lots of talk goes on while playing the game. I know, I've heard the "no talk" BS before, too. When they added the region chat, that improved markedly. Oh, and again, join a decent guild.
From all 10 people? yep fasinating, 3 of those 10 ppl are all kids playing in my house. Kids are not the really social types for stimulating chat are they..
Anyway, those are my thoughts on WAR. If you have trouble understanding any of my points, I'll rework it using smaller words. You are, after all, a post-fixer.
Game floped i reckon here is the winning t-shirt
It flopped because it was released to early behind a lot of bullshit from the devs. good intentions went to waste.
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good quote ive been wondering why all the daoc guys have been screaming about how much it isnt like daoc when mythic said warhammer wouldnt be the spiritual succesor to daoc
Turbine does not release number for LOTRO. They have said its the second most populace game in NA market Ithink (said this before WAR release).
WAR is by no means a "flop". It's doing quite well, although obviously not as well as Mythic seemed to expect with their massive server rollout at launch (120+ servers just seems like pure madness, although hindsight is always easy). The game is becoming more polished for each patch, and people seem to be having a lot of fun in-game. Forums also seem to be mostly positive, where there used to be a lot of "fail fail fail". Mythic's been addressing a lot of issues and have been squashing bugs left and right, and it shows.
How about this. Give the game thats not been out for 6 months yet a couple of years, then start comparing it to a game that had those couple of years, and a major expansion time to grow (Wow for the dimwits out there).
I guess we could do that, Jtrav1987. But then again, if the chief guy responsible for Warhammer says this confidently:
Why would anyone wait? First guidepost was six weeks out, that one is done.
I guess the next one is in three months.
Again, when someone in his position makes these types of statements, is it any wonder someone makes threads entitled: "Can Warhammer really be considered a flop?"
Please stop trying to make it seem as though people didn't have a reason to post this type of topics.. they were practically DARED into doing it at launch by MJ himself.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Oh well, then it's all well for WAR because, just like MBJ said, one game's success is good for the whole genre. More WoW players = more MMO players - some of which will eventually find their way to WAR and other MMOs.
It turned out this wasn't just an empty rhetoric - I'd say that AoC's failure hurt WAR's sales and reception much much more than WotLK's success. A lot of people broken-hearted over AoC (and Vanguard etc) turned their anger towards WAR - they would have forgiven anything to their baby but once it turned rotten they were hell-bent on proving that all other new games suck. If AoC turned a success then the door would have been opened for other games. WAR simply came out at a bad time filled with a lot of negativity and resentment.
However even with all that I wouldn't call it a flop by far lol. I love to play it and it is the best mmo for me out at the moment, hands down. In addition I daily see people new to WAR on my server (it's not just alts and transfers by far lol). I'd say WAR has just recovered from initial subscription losses normal for any new release and is only now beginning it's true growth. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it reached 1 mil subscribers at the end of its first year - unless EA gets cold feet and does something stupid that is. From what I've seen so far there is very very slight chance of that happening, if at all.
Haha what a great spin, I enjoyed reading that.
O_o o_O
You people who plead for people to give the game more time realize that even when compared to the initial WoW product, this game falls woefully short in both polish and design?
The initial server issues WoW had at launch pale in comparison to the fundamental flaws this game have, nor does it some how justify the problems this game suffers from.
So in closing; I would like to state that you people shut the hell up and stop with the WoW Launch comparisons.
I'm looking at this game as it is now, and as a game; it fails. I don't care what WoW did, nor is it relevant in the least.
Let's talk about 'flop' for a minute. If by 'flop' you mean the game didn't fulfill every desire of every rabid fanboi and put Blizzard out of business two days after launch, then yeah, it's a flop, because the WoW devs still draw a paycheck. I don't think EA sees it that way though; simply put, it's all about the benjamins (that's dollars, for you non-US readers. See, Benjamin Franklin is on the US$100 bill...). As long as the game makes a profit (especially in this economy), I doubt anyone with any authority to do so will be considering it a flop.
Evil will always win, because Good is dumb.
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
i beg to differ, if you do not have anything to measure/compare against how would you know which is better hence wow coming into the equation (ps I hate wow but grudging admit that they succeeded where others have failed).
long live wow rofl.
Many times - especially on forums such as these - players will call a game a flop and a failure simply because they don't like it. They'll say a game is dying because they and a few people they know stopped playing (as though the thousands of others still playing somehow don't count)...
Basically, some people very seldom make statements with any objective merit.
They can't simply not like a game and leave it at that. No no. Their not liking a game must have some significant reason and/or circumstance.
So... when someone says "WAR is a failure", I translate that into "I didn't like it"
Here's an example, just to show you the complete lack of logic some of these people have.
I was talking to a guy I know who plays WoW on Ventrilo one day. We were talking about different MMOs and I was saying how funny it is how players will call a game a failure simply because they don't like it, despite how many others are playing it.
"Take LoTRO, for example", I said. "That game has around 200k players, give or take, which is a perfectly healthy population. Not an OMG runaway phenomenon, but a healthy population that's making Turbine money and allowing them to continue developing it. Still there are people who will say it's a failure, or a dying game anyway."
Well, what I wasn't expecting was his response...
"Well, I would say LoTRO is a failure."
Surprised, I asked why.
"Because, see.. I *know* people who play WoW. I *know* people who play other MMOs. So, those MMOs I would call a success. But, I don't know *anyone* who plays or even *likes* LoTRO. So, that tells me the game is a failure."
I said "But... there are around 200 thousand people playing it... Whether you know any of them or not doesn't change that."
He replied "Doesn't matter. If I don't know anyone who likes the game - and I know a *lot* of gamers - then how successful can it be? So, I say it's a failure"
"So," I replied now rather amused at the unabashed conceit this guy was displaying, "a game's population doesn't matter if you don't know any of them personally... This is what you're telling me"
"Well, yeah. If the game was successful, I should know at least *one* person who plays or likes it. But I don't. And I can't say that about any other MMO I know about."
I asked "Do you realize how completely ridiculous your logic is?"
"It's not ridiculous", he barked back.. "It's common sense. Just because you like the game doesn't make it any different"
At that point, I just said "Ooooookay... I'll leave you to your absurd closed-minded opinions, then."
"Just telling it how it is", he said smugly. "The game is a failure".
I just left it alone after that.
But there you go.. This isn't someone on a forum... This is a person I talk to all the time on Ventrilo, with this completely screw-ball outlook.
I brought up this conversation with a few others who are also on that Vent channel and know him for a lot longer than I do. None of them were surprised. "Yeah that's typical. He comes out with a lot of really stupid comments. We just sorta nod and smile at this point".
Don't try to be reasonable with those people... It's a lost cause. Just sorta point and laugh.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I play WAR and the only reason Im sat here reading this is cause im eating my brekkie...
Im now going back to playing the game with other peeps....
"Obi-Wan Kenobi: We were decieved by a lie; we all were. It appears that SOE is behind everything, including the NGE! After the death of CU, the NGE became their new apprentice."
Many times - especially on forums such as these - players will call a game a flop and a failure simply because they don't like it. They'll say a game is dying because they and a few people they know stopped playing (as though the thousands of others still playing somehow don't count)...
Basically, some people very seldom make statements with any objective merit.
They can't simply not like a game and leave it at that. No no. Their not liking a game must have some significant reason and/or circumstance.
So... when someone says "WAR is a failure", I translate that into "I didn't like it"
Here's an example, just to show you the complete lack of logic some of these people have.
I was talking to a guy I know who plays WoW on Ventrilo one day. We were talking about different MMOs and I was saying how funny it is how players will call a game a failure simply because they don't like it, despite how many others are playing it.
"Take LoTRO, for example", I said. "That game has around 200k players, give or take, which is a perfectly healthy population. Not an OMG runaway phenomenon, but a healthy population that's making Turbine money and allowing them to continue developing it. Still there are people who will say it's a failure, or a dying game anyway."
Well, what I wasn't expecting was his response...
"Well, I would say LoTRO is a failure."
Surprised, I asked why.
"Because, see.. I *know* people who play WoW. I *know* people who play other MMOs. So, those MMOs I would call a success. But, I don't know *anyone* who plays or even *likes* LoTRO. So, that tells me the game is a failure."
I said "But... there are around 200 thousand people playing it... Whether you know any of them or not doesn't change that."
He replied "Doesn't matter. If I don't know anyone who likes the game - and I know a *lot* of gamers - then how successful can it be? So, I say it's a failure"
"So," I replied now rather amused at the unabashed conceit this guy was displaying, "a game's population doesn't matter if you don't know any of them personally... This is what you're telling me"
"Well, yeah. If the game was successful, I should know at least *one* person who plays or likes it. But I don't. And I can't say that about any other MMO I know about."
I asked "Do you realize how completely ridiculous your logic is?"
"It's not ridiculous", he barked back.. "It's common sense. Just because you like the game doesn't make it any different"
At that point, I just said "Ooooookay... I'll leave you to your absurd closed-minded opinions, then."
"Just telling it how it is", he said smugly. "The game is a failure".
I just left it alone after that.
But there you go.. This isn't someone on a forum... This is a person I talk to all the time on Ventrilo, with this completely screw-ball outlook.
I brought up this conversation with a few others who are also on that Vent channel and know him for a lot longer than I do. None of them were surprised. "Yeah that's typical. He comes out with a lot of really stupid comments. We just sorta nod and smile at this point".
Don't try to be reasonable with those people... It's a lost cause. Just sorta point and laugh.
Hmm i guess thats what you get when you talk to people that dont have that thing called an education.
I guess there are many ways a game can be a failure: the aoc way the game is supposed to be the messiah and save us all from wow but in the end its barely better than the average f2P grind. And the there is the tabula rasa kind of failure where the game closes.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
What you, WAR fanboy (yes you are) gotta realize is that people dualbox++ and so on in WAR aswell. Funny how you throw the numbers from Blizzard out the window in one sweep and in the next one praise the number from some obscure tallying site claiming real numbers. They don't even count number of subscriptions, but number of characters. I always get alot of alts on every mmo I play. It's just my preferred way of doing it. Sure, I don't advance so fast, but who cares.
Anyway, if you're looking at the goals Mythic set down from the start then yes, WAR is a flop. When you look at it more realistically it seems to be plopping around quite ok. Could've been better, but not bad at all. Game's not my cup of tea though.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
i beg to differ, if you do not have anything to measure/compare against how would you know which is better hence wow coming into the equation (ps I hate wow but grudging admit that they succeeded where others have failed).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
YEAH, no. People saying "Its ok for fortress raids to crash and for the game to play like a game designer drop out's shoddy engine, WOW HAD SERVER PROBLEMS AT LAUNCH" is not a viable comparison.
WAR is doing just fine. End of thread.
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. AoC had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone took FC 4 months to fix (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to WAR's. By comparison, WAR was a far more complete game than AoC still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, FC provided absolutely horrific customer service for AoC. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with Mythic than with FC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is garbage.
Wow. Just... wow.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Hmm i guess thats what you get when you talk to people that dont have that thing called an education.
I guess there are many ways a game can be a failure: the aoc way the game is supposed to be the messiah and save us all from wow but in the end its barely better than the average f2P grind. And the there is the tabula rasa kind of failure where the game closes.
Well... The first example, where the game is supposed to be the messiah, as you put it, is entirely subjective. No company comes straight out and says "Our game will be the second coming, it will give all players a game that is righteous and good and will rid the world of that dastardly WoW"... or whatever. Even if the marketing makes it *sound* that way (creating hype *is* their purpose, after all), it's an expectation players themselves place on a new title. And boy do many do it - a lot.
See DF for one recent example many are regarding as the Ark that will save all gamers from a flooding Earth; the zeal is just as emotional and almost as religious in some cases.
In that case, the game is a "failure" on an entirely subjective level, though its detractors will often frame it as though the game is a failure in every conceivable way (such as the person I talked to in my example).
Tabula Rasa is a failure in the objective sense, because it did indeed fail and all real-world evidence points to this. Whatever the reasons, It's being taken offline.
Asheron's Call 2, a game I personally enjoyed quite a lot, was a failure. It failed to perform well enough for Turbine to keep it running, and so it was taken offline (though it did have a longer run than TR at least :-p).
So while there are different kinds of failures, I agree... each should be regarded as what it is... a subjective failure, limited to an individuals expectations, and an objective one, supported by real world circumstances.
Problem here is, people seem to treat both cases equally.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
"well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch"
It must because of the simple fact, you and people like you are here...Let me explain, I used to play Lineage 2, I dont anymore, but I dont go to any L2 forums anymore since I stopped playing. I used to play wow, same as L2, I dont go to any wow forums. I bought Guild Wars and after 3 weeks, realized the game wasnt an MMO IMO and left. But I dont go to any of those game forums and talk smack. I dont read the GW forums waiting for my chance to discredit the game. I think that is lame. You come to the WAR forums and go back and forth with WAR fans, on the WAR FORUMS and try to tell us...
"well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch" ummmm, whatever you say guy.
It shouldn't take that much of your thought process that just because you do things one way doesn't mean other people automatically should do it that way should it? Some people just like hanging around forums, even after they leave, or for games that interested them but ended up not being their choice etc.
There's a million reasons why people would hang around some forums, or are you trying to reduce all those to a single reason, the one that would be valid in your own world if you stayed behind on a forum?
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. WAR had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone are still ongoing (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to AoC's. By comparison, AoC was a far more complete game than WAR still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, MYTHIC provids absolutely horrific customer service for WAR, just look at the lack of official forums in this day and age. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with FC than with MYTHIC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is a lot better in performance.
Wow. Just... wow.
Fixed.
``why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide``
exactly..
i am sorry both AoC and WAR failed. i think it is obvious that mythic paid some reviewers to give 100% score. it is also obvious that WAR failed big time, it drew a bigger crowd (aimed at kids) and therefore there is more failure talk. naturally, my boy comes home from school and tells me how upset all his friends are with WAR that the game crashes and is just boring. Hopes were high and dashed. will never buy a mythic game again. unbalanced classes, crap population, shit fed ex quests, no social aspect, no one talks just plain failhammer...
Paranoid much? It's just a post on a gaming site, relax. Also if you actually READ what he wrote, he is promoting the game... A+ on missing his point.
(pseudo)/edit
However since you went back and looked into his profile and previous posts to justify your absurd reply (although subsequently finding no supporting evidence) I'll allow that you are probably an honest internerd who was just looking to take his daily frustrations out on someone else (like I am doing here), but picked a bad target (unlike what I am doing here). Returning with an edit, and trying top reclaim some of your lost honour, was a mistake though. Erasing all trace of your conspiracy theory would have been a wiser choice.
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. WAR had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone are still ongoing (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to AoC's. By comparison, AoC was a far more complete game than WAR still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, MYTHIC provids absolutely horrific customer service for WAR, just look at the lack of official forums in this day and age. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with FC than with MYTHIC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is a lot better in performance.
Wow. Just... wow.
Fixed.
``why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide``
exactly..
i am sorry both AoC and WAR failed. i think it is obvious that mythic paid some reviewers to give 100% score. it is also obvious that WAR failed big time, it drew a bigger crowd (aimed at kids) and therefore there is more failure talk. naturally, my boy comes home from school and tells me how upset all his friends are with WAR that the game crashes and is just boring. Hopes were high and dashed. will never buy a mythic game again. unbalanced classes, crap population, shit fed ex quests, no social aspect, no one talks just plain failhammer...
Ah, the "post-fixer". Is there any more mentally challenged type of forum participant - one that brings less insight or valuable information to a forum - than a habitual "post-fixer"? I applaud you for your lack of creativity and thought. Your post almost invalidates itself, with no help required, just by identifying yourself as a "post-fixer".
As to your assertions, my experience with the game is pretty much diametrically opposed to yours, which makes me wonder if you've ever actually played the game. In my opinion, this game has better class balance than most MMOs, and they are designed more for group play, which is the crux of the game.
The population on many of the servers is very good. As one example, the population on Ostermark is very good, both in number and Order/Destro balance.
"FEDEX" quests are a staple of every game than has quests, which might be a huge surprise to you (the world is also round, which would probably also surprise you, post-fixer).
Social aspect is what you make of it. Join a guild, if you can find one that would accept you.
Lots of talk goes on while playing the game. I know, I've heard the "no talk" BS before, too. When they added the region chat, that improved markedly. Oh, and again, join a decent guild.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on WAR. If you have trouble understanding any of my points, I'll rework it using smaller words. You are, after all, a post-fixer.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
1. and you dont do this in WoW? lol
2. I ran it on Vista... Crashes?
3. I had one problem with a game time card, resolved in a few min over the phone
4. Man i remember waiting for an hour to get into warsong gultch, oh and games been on for a month if your such a wow fanboi then you should know how inbalanced it was at it's launch
5. "crappy graphics wow has been graphics" - doesnt make sense but if your trying to says WAR has bad graphics and WoW's is better, i think you have problems, with your eyesight
6. same with wow
lmao, I was never a wow fan infact i left wow after just 1 year when i realised it's basically Everquest in disguise
i bought into the war hype and at launch i even bought the collectors edition but when i started to actually play it i realised its a crappy game with poor design and 3rd world progamming standards.
why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide
just my 2 cents:p
Wow, memories are short, aren't they. WAR had one of the worst launches in MMO history, both technically and in gameplay. The OOM/CTD problems alone are still ongoing (mostly). It's absolutely hysterical that you'd compare its launch to AoC's. By comparison, AoC was a far more complete game than WAR still is, and has been far, FAR more stable.
Additionally, MYTHIC provids absolutely horrific customer service for WAR, just look at the lack of official forums in this day and age. Just pathetic. Personally, I've had fewer problems dealing with FC than with MYTHIC.
WAR isn't perfect, but AoC was and still is a lot better in performance.
Wow. Just... wow.
Fixed.
``why can I play AOC w/o much problems whereas with war i keep getting crashed (aka memory leaks and other problems), there a time when i crashed to desktop and guess what the customer service did not have a clue how to fix my problem and I had highlight others which had the same problem and the fix that helped them, this took 3/4 days for them to fix.
well, if u like war then play it, does bother me one inch, I am just voicing my opinion that war is all hype poor quest design and customer service, ask youself one question why do war not have a forum for ppl like us to post our frustration what do they have to hide``
exactly..
i am sorry both AoC and WAR failed. i think it is obvious that mythic paid some reviewers to give 100% score. it is also obvious that WAR failed big time, it drew a bigger crowd (aimed at kids) and therefore there is more failure talk. naturally, my boy comes home from school and tells me how upset all his friends are with WAR that the game crashes and is just boring. Hopes were high and dashed. will never buy a mythic game again. unbalanced classes, crap population, shit fed ex quests, no social aspect, no one talks just plain failhammer...
Ah, the "post-fixer". Is there any more mentally challenged type of forum participant - one that brings less insight or valuable information to a forum - than a habitual "post-fixer"? I applaud you for your lack of creativity and thought. Your post almost invalidates itself, with no help required, just by identifying yourself as a "post-fixer".
I am sorry you can't take my opinion as it differs from your own, maybe your lacking somewhere?
As to your assertions, my experience with the game is pretty much diametrically opposed to yours, which makes me wonder if you've ever actually played the game. In my opinion, this game has better class balance than most MMOs, and they are designed more for group play, which is the crux of the game.
Again you neglect to take my opinion on board and as it differs from yours therefore it is wrong? I could always link the thousands of posts on say warhammer alliance that share my viewpoint, they have to post there you see because Jacobs cant take crititism. Just like yourself.. or respect different viewpoints because it differs from your own perfect little experiences.
The population on many of the servers is very good. As one example, the population on Ostermark is very good, both in number and Order/Destro balance.
No they are not - please do not lie. Pick 5 servers blindly and then create a new character, good luck in trying to find 10 different people before you hit level 15. "Some" like what 4? from 50 are good.. rofl
"FEDEX" quests are a staple of every game than has quests, which might be a huge surprise to you (the world is also round, which would probably also surprise you, post-fixer).
insults. that is very manly of you
Social aspect is what you make of it. Join a guild, if you can find one that would accept you.
3 guilds on 3 different servers now, population still sucks.. guilds were not bad, just not many people in them.
Lots of talk goes on while playing the game. I know, I've heard the "no talk" BS before, too. When they added the region chat, that improved markedly. Oh, and again, join a decent guild.
From all 10 people? yep fasinating, 3 of those 10 ppl are all kids playing in my house. Kids are not the really social types for stimulating chat are they..
Anyway, those are my thoughts on WAR. If you have trouble understanding any of my points, I'll rework it using smaller words. You are, after all, a post-fixer.
Game floped i reckon here is the winning t-shirt
It flopped because it was released to early behind a lot of bullshit from the devs. good intentions went to waste.