/facepalm they don't have to buy these items if they don't want to ... its just added fluff. theres more than enough pets, looks that you can make and house items in game already ... these are just bonuses.
Ravanos!!! im just joking around man lol!
yeah I understand what you guys are saying right now the cash shop is harmless.
But what happends if it get really popular and SoE adds items that aren't harmless?
See I wouldnt want to even give them a chance to do that. I am totally against Cash shops, im not a EQ2 hater at all and I think its a freaking MMO tragedy that this is happening to you guys.
I agree, even though I hate all forms of cash shops(I don't care in a f2p MMO and I will just avoid it, but with a P2P it's ridiculous), and I think anything available in the game should be aquired through game play, the cash shop items are relatively "harmless" now. But I have two problems with this. One, it's a slippery slope, and before you know it SOE is going to introduce "harmful" items in the shop(see SWG TCG for reference). Second, it is a complete and utter scam. The items in their cost little to nothing to produce, and then they charge you money to buy them EVEN THOUGH you are already paying them $15 a month to sit around and make content that you still have to buy! I've thought the idea of paying monthly for a game and having to pay for expansions was borderline unnacceptable, but I did it anyways. Paying $15 a month plus having to pay for expansions AND having to pay for simple items that should be available in the game anyway is a complete scam.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
But what happends if it get really popular and SoE adds items that aren't harmless?
then ill be right here by your side with a pitchfork and torch to be honest. As much as i hate the developement of these silly side items(Station cash and LON cards) instead of actual content its mostly harmless even the xp potions.
having to pay for simple items that should be available in the game anyway is a complete scam.
you don't have to pay for them though thats the key with them (so far) being fluff items ... they are a bonus IF you want them but not required. Once they become a requirement then get the pitchfork and torch out ... until then its no big deal.
having to pay for simple items that should be available in the game anyway is a complete scam.
you don't have to pay for them though thats the key with them (so far) being fluff items ... they are a bonus IF you want them but not required. Once they become a requirement then get the pitchfork and torch out ... until then its no big deal.
Right there with you matey
I didnt care for the sneaky way it was forced upon the playerbase..but atm its just crap in there..but i just have this nasty feeling that somewhere,sometime soon they'll try to push something that is game changing onto it..i've said it before theres only so much fluff people will buy.
having to pay for simple items that should be available in the game anyway is a complete scam.
you don't have to pay for them though thats the key with them (so far) being fluff items ... they are a bonus IF you want them but not required. Once they become a requirement then get the pitchfork and torch out ... until then its no big deal.
You misinterpreted me. I'm not saying you HAVE to buy them because you need the item, I'm saying if you want the item, you have to buy it to get it. That is a scam. I don't care what the item is, it is a complete scam and nothing more than an attempt to milk more money out of the playerbase. Any item available in game should be aquired through playing the game.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Real life experience, maybe. . . .Wisdom, perhaps.
But. It's the god d!mn principle. "as long as they don't sell gamebreaking weapons or armor?" What?!
I know it's just a game, however, my free time is more important to me than any of my other time, so why would I not respect my own principles within that time. Why would I disregard my core convictions about social interactions, business ethics, and the mores of society within that time.
My free time is very important to me and I refuse to spend it self-justifying someone else's, especially a gaming business, refusal to take my time as seriously or as important as I do.
Its the principle.
I apply the same principles in all other aspects of my life, entertainment or otherwise.
I'm saying if you want the item, you have to buy it to get it. That is a scam.
then i guess i should go to my bank and call them a scam. because i have an account with them i get all thier services and when i went to get a cashiers check through them I was charged for it .... if i wanted to get a loan through them I would be charged a processing fee. I have a checking account anytime i want a box of checks i get charged for it
theres a lot of businesses in the world that if you want a "specialty" item there is an extra charge for it.
I recently resubbed even after learning of the cash shop. Here's what I did, I went and looked at what they put in there and determined it's all unnecessary rubbish that I don't need to advance my character and never opened it in game. Do I care if someone spends $10 to get faster exp for an hour? nope. Do I care if someone spends $10 to run a 50% runspeed for 30 minutes? nope. Do I care if someone spends money on a ingame house item? nope, a visual armor? nope. Come on people this stuff is a joke. If they started selling equipment the was Necessary to game advancement, then we are on a new page and that is something to get upset about. Untill then just enjoy the game.
But when does it end? First its social clothing and mounts, then XP potions ( that mess up balance to begin with). Then its old school armor and weapons, then instant level cap characters with high level armor. Then premium packs that give a shit ton of gold and all kinds of bag and bank space for 10 bucks extra a month. Before you know it the game is shit and anyone spending real life cash on the game has a tremendous advantage. I say nip it in the bud now, don't play this game, dont let SoE do this. All thier games need to be closed down for the good of MMOs everywhere ( I truely believe this) SWG, Matrix, EQ1/EQ2, vanguard and any new MMO they create needs to die. WE as a community need to send the NA/Euro devs a message that we dont want cash shops in our games if you don't within a few years every game will have them and this genre will be even worse then it is now.
So i refuse to play any game that makes me pay for anything other then a sub and Xpacs/boosters. Keep that retarded shit in the asian countries where they like games that play like alpha clients.
So everyone should quit every sony game they play due to your insight of what is to come? How about boycotting all that sony does? PC's, DVD players, PS3, PSP etc. etc. You have your work cut out for you. I wish you godspeed in your crusade.
You know what i dont get is why people get their panties all in a knot about this that DONT even play the game anymore or never even played it ( Just soe haters i guess)
I have been playing since day 1 and i could care less what they do with this it wont affect me or my playstyle at all.
Their is only one thing i would buy if they gimmie a chance and that would be a race respec and other than that its all fluff.
I used to play this but I don't think it's right to have RMT with a subscription. Also didn't they have specific servers for Station cash or did they change it to all servers? I'm a little out of the loop but felt the need to post to show how against we are over RMT with a subscription. If it was RMT and no subscription I could understand.
Wow, just hopped over to the EQ2 forums to see they sprung the Station Cash on you guys after you bought the expansion without an announcement. Is this really true? Man that's jacked up. BTW 85 pages of this sucks and I quit is like "Woah!"
wow SOE sprung a surprise on its gaming community right after they sold an expansion. I dont think thats ever happened before.
Oh wait, i forgot about Star Wars Galaxies.
Are you all really shocked by this ? SOE has proven time and again they are the most dishonest liers in the industry
all of you people are whiney little bitches, as Fumbles said the eq2 store is filled with useless bullshit.
its not like you can buy the Blade of Carnage for 3 bucks lol, its shiney armor set that does nothing but look shiney for a few bucks. the game is still the same as before the dumb RMT shit popped up.
the sky is not falling yet so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------- Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The force shall free me. -the Sith code
Do you get your informations straight from the same guys SoE get theirs?
Yes they use a dodgy marketing agency, it is clear to everybody already (see NGE, ROK, The Agency, etc)
Sorry to contraddict you, but the RMT hasn't been a success in the western market.
We've been flooded by Asian F2P MMO with cash shops, yet name one who can be considered a success.
RMT works well in the Asian market, that's the only truth.
Cash Shops are no other than Pay as You go payments................which is a very old method of payement, not a "revolution", if something we are going backward rather than forward.
Would you rather pay for you Internet Connection per hour (like it used to be some time ago), or would you rather pay a monthly fee and have unlimited access?
I bet my ass you ll rather pay the second.
It is the same with the cash shops in MMO, in western countries we prefer to pay a certain amount per month rather than spend extra money on a Pay as You Go.
It is usually more value if you are an heavy user, and MMO people are heavy users.
Some of them have been around for quite a while so at least some must have a partial succes. But that is not the problem here, if SOE killed the monthly fees it wouldn't really have been a problem for me. My problem is that they try to eat the cake and save it.
If they stop the monthly fees I will start to play the game again, but they wont (well, if we can trust Smed they might do it for Vanguard or EQ but he said that they wont do that for EQ2). I just don't like cash shops so I vote with my money, I understand that the devs need to earn money somewhere so if the game is free you need either cash shops or some kind of pop ups or product placement to go around but here it is just greed.
But what pisses me off is that they said several times that they wont implement cash shops. I like this game but if I start to play it again I would kinda make this thing legitime and it might get incorporated in all MMOs in the future so I prefer to play something else instead.
all of you people are whiney little bitches, as Fumbles said the eq2 store is filled with useless bullshit. its not like you can buy the Blade of Carnage for 3 bucks lol, its shiney armor set that does nothing but look shiney for a few bucks. the game is still the same as before the dumb RMT shit popped up. the sky is not falling yet so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You miss the point. The point is that this is the start and if it works well, where will it end?
Cash shops have no right to exist in games with monthly fees, or at least not ones that I will play.
Do you get your informations straight from the same guys SoE get theirs?
Yes they use a dodgy marketing agency, it is clear to everybody already (see NGE, ROK, The Agency, etc)
Sorry to contraddict you, but the RMT hasn't been a success in the western market.
We've been flooded by Asian F2P MMO with cash shops, yet name one who can be considered a success.
RMT works well in the Asian market, that's the only truth.
Cash Shops are no other than Pay as You go payments................which is a very old method of payement, not a "revolution", if something we are going backward rather than forward.
Would you rather pay for you Internet Connection per hour (like it used to be some time ago), or would you rather pay a monthly fee and have unlimited access?
I bet my ass you ll rather pay the second.
It is the same with the cash shops in MMO, in western countries we prefer to pay a certain amount per month rather than spend extra money on a Pay as You Go.
It is usually more value if you are an heavy user, and MMO people are heavy users.
Some of them have been around for quite a while so at least some must have a partial succes. But that is not the problem here, if SOE killed the monthly fees it wouldn't really have been a problem for me. My problem is that they try to eat the cake and save it.
I like this definition.
The biggest problem is of course the fact that they opened cash shops on top of the monthly fee, which is something not even the Koreans dare to do.
Lets put some facts straight.
I am not against the RMT in itself, but as everything in life, they need to be applied to the right product, not indiscriminately on everything that can be applied to.
The first rule for me is to announce in advance which kind of payment they intend to use on the MMO.
It is not right adding such payement in the middle of the lifetime of a game.
But as long as we know in advance that the game will have Cash Shops, people can make an informed decision and decide whether to play it or not.
If I knew EQ2 would have had a Cash Shop, I would have never started to play in the first place for example.
For einstance, SoE new MMORPG for children, Free Realms, will have cash shops and will be free to play.
I am fine with it, not a biggie, I won't play it but I won't bitch about it either, since the rules are clear since the beginning.
Also the kind of people who plays EQ2 is possibly the more adverse to this kind of thing than any other player base.
If WoW adds cash shops to the game, it would have had less complaints about since most of them use Gold Seller anyway to boost their character, and the gameis pretty much fucked anyway.
But touching EQ and EQ2 with this crap is the wrost thing a developer can do to the MMORPG industry.
Anyway time will tell if the gamble will pay off for SoE, my prediction is they will lose lots of customers, and already few rumors about server population problems are circulating.
all of you people are whiney little bitches, as Fumbles said the eq2 store is filled with useless bullshit. its not like you can buy the Blade of Carnage for 3 bucks lol, its shiney armor set that does nothing but look shiney for a few bucks. the game is still the same as before the dumb RMT shit popped up. the sky is not falling yet so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You miss the point. The point is that this is the start and if it works well, where will it end?
Cash shops have no right to exist in games with monthly fees, or at least not ones that I will play.
Slippery slope is all that is needed to be said.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
all of you people are whiney little bitches, as Fumbles said the eq2 store is filled with useless bullshit. its not like you can buy the Blade of Carnage for 3 bucks lol, its shiney armor set that does nothing but look shiney for a few bucks. the game is still the same as before the dumb RMT shit popped up. the sky is not falling yet so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another response I agree with. However, I would not have said it in quite this way.
The game is the same as before and in game no one even talks about it at all.
all of you people are whiney little bitches, as Fumbles said the eq2 store is filled with useless bullshit. its not like you can buy the Blade of Carnage for 3 bucks lol, its shiney armor set that does nothing but look shiney for a few bucks. the game is still the same as before the dumb RMT shit popped up. the sky is not falling yet so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What you don't get is that you gonna get your lovely Blade of Carnage in the cash shop in about six months time.
Wanna bet?
If you read my signature, I fail to understand your optimism and trust in SoE CEO and associates, we are not exactly talking about Mother Teresa or Ghandi here.
today maybe you can only buy fluff items. But you can bet soon enough that armor and weapons will be available. Why raid for 3 months to get the best possible sword when you can simply buy it ?
This leads to a very slippery slope like others here have stated. Whats next, buying a capped character ? How about legendary gear that cant be achieved in-game ?
Here is a little piece of advice. In 50 years of life I have learned many things. One of the most important things is, to live today and in the moment. You can speculate all you like about what may happen. The "what mays" and "what ifs" really mean nothing. You only have the now. That does not mean don't be prepared for the future but the now is all you have to enjoy. I have lost many loved ones over the years that proves this idea.
Right now EQ2 is enjoyable. Most of the posts in opposition to the cash shop in EQ2 are about what may happen (doubt this just read the many threads on this topic). Not that many seem to have a problem with the "fluff" currently in the shop. There are many reasons to doubt SOE intensions, NGE for one. However so many of you bash EQ2, which is a good game because of the what ifs and in some cases the past. I for one have made mistakes in the past and would not want to be judged or defined by them now.
Some of you feel right to think SOE is some sort of online devil desperate to defraud you of you hard earned cash. That is cool, you have reason for that and you want to warn others but not all of us are ignorant to SOE and want your constant warning. Many of us still love EQ2. Yet all we hear is how we do not get it, as if we are blinded by SOE. I am not happy about all SOE decisions on some of their games including EQ2 but EQ2 is still a great game for many. In my opinion people are blowing the idea of a cash station way out of proportion.
I don't think people who is bashing SoE expect to convince everyone to stop playing their games.
At least that is not my intention, of course I hope people decides not to play them but I am not gonna point out how wrong they are, I just want to point out facts, so they can decide if they want to give SoE a chance or not.
I always said that I am happy some people enjoy EQ2 as it is, and I never ever insulted or flamed people who like the game.
I am sure people who is playing EQ2 now, genuinelly enjoy the game, same as the people who play SWG now.
I am happy for them.
But for 2 people that are happy, there are 3 people who are upset, and I am part of the latter category, and as a 5 year ex-customer I have the right to express my disappointment as much as the people who like the game in the current state are right to express their approval.
Personally my target are not the players and never will be, although some of you take it a little bit personal sometimes, but it is understandable wanting to defend their game.
In a way I am trying to protect you guys as well, what if in the future SoE will decide to make an hardcore expansion and upset all of you?
They are perfectly capable of doing it, and that's what I want to avoid, I just want SoE to stick with their guns and stop upsetting their customer with their Yo-Yo game design and stupid payment systems.
SoE need to learn how to make business, they are totally out of touch with customers and industry standards.
No wonder they are the only major MMO developer not included in this year "Best Developer" awards of MMORPG.com, Lol even Funcom is in there.
Doesn't this tell you something?
It is not just my imagination, they are not victim of the "I hate big Corporations" league, SoE really IS a nasty piece of work, and people need to know about it.
It is a pity that Smedley still doesn't understand how much he is limiting the potential of SoE, with this ramdom behaviour.
With 10 years of experience and the backing of such a big powerhouse like Sony, SoE should have destroyed all the competition.
Instead they are lagging way behind the market leaders and struggling to get ahead of Indie developers.
There is no excuse whatsoever why SoE is so far behind in subscriptions terms, and there is no reason why it should have the worse reputation in the game industry.
Isn't it about time Sony opens its eyes and realizes that probably the current CEO of SoE is not up for the job?
Jeez get someone from EA, I will organize a donation pot if money is the issue, but I am sure anyone can do a better job than the current muppet in charge.
But when does it end? First its social clothing and mounts, then XP potions ( that mess up balance to begin with). Then its old school armor and weapons, then instant level cap characters with high level armor. Then premium packs that give a shit ton of gold and all kinds of bag and bank space for 10 bucks extra a month. Before you know it the game is shit and anyone spending real life cash on the game has a tremendous advantage. I say nip it in the bud now, don't play this game, dont let SoE do this. All thier games need to be closed down for the good of MMOs everywhere ( I truely believe this) SWG, Matrix, EQ1/EQ2, vanguard and any new MMO they create needs to die. WE as a community need to send the NA/Euro devs a message that we dont want cash shops in our games if you don't within a few years every game will have them and this genre will be even worse then it is now.
So i refuse to play any game that makes me pay for anything other then a sub and Xpacs/boosters. Keep that retarded shit in the asian countries where they like games that play like alpha clients.
Advantage? Advantage over what? EQ2 isn't a competition, it's a PvE game for the most part. Are you just going to be jealous that someone has a few extra bucks to level their character a little faster? Why do you care so much?
Guys I have nothing against the people that play or played EQ or EQ2.
Actually I even played both games.
Its sony that pisses me off, EQ2 is a good MMO there is no need for a cash shop in game even for fluff shit.
Why dont they just give that fluff away in holiday events and special quest lines why must they try to squeeze more cash out of you guys? You guys have been loyal followers buying every god damn expansion they toss out at you when other MMOs give that level of content in free patches. why do they need more? EQ2 isnt in trouble they get enough cash from this game.
You all say that the items in the cash shop are meaningless well they are right now but once those assholes at SoE see money signs they will flip the script on you guys just watch.
SoE has a terrible track record, how many times do they have to screw customers over before people get it through their heads that they can't be trusted?
But when does it end? First its social clothing and mounts, then XP potions ( that mess up balance to begin with). Then its old school armor and weapons, then instant level cap characters with high level armor. Then premium packs that give a shit ton of gold and all kinds of bag and bank space for 10 bucks extra a month. Before you know it the game is shit and anyone spending real life cash on the game has a tremendous advantage. I say nip it in the bud now, don't play this game, dont let SoE do this. All thier games need to be closed down for the good of MMOs everywhere ( I truely believe this) SWG, Matrix, EQ1/EQ2, vanguard and any new MMO they create needs to die. WE as a community need to send the NA/Euro devs a message that we dont want cash shops in our games if you don't within a few years every game will have them and this genre will be even worse then it is now.
So i refuse to play any game that makes me pay for anything other then a sub and Xpacs/boosters. Keep that retarded shit in the asian countries where they like games that play like alpha clients.
Advantage? Advantage over what? EQ2 isn't a competition, it's a PvE game for the most part. Are you just going to be jealous that someone has a few extra bucks to level their character a little faster? Why do you care so much?
you think PVE games aren't competitive? how long have you been playing MMOs?
You think some ass wad on ur server buying his way to level cap and buying all epic armor with RL cash isnt going to effect you? what happends when the majority of people on the server do that?
Just look at how messed up F2p games are due to cash shop advantages.
Advantage? Advantage over what? EQ2 isn't a competition, it's a PvE game for the most part.
Well, you see Cranky, that's where you are wrong. To a great many people MMO's ARE a competition and EQ2 in particular fosters just that mindset by breaking out the top players on each server by various metrics. It is one of the reasons that the EQ2 Players web site is used, although it does not and has not worked correctly for a very long time.
Heck, how many times a night does Norrath become "still" for a moment as someone gets their mythical (for the non EQ2 players, there is a system-wide server message when someone gets their mythical weapon).
Personally, I think of this more like you; that unless it is PVP, MMOs are not about competition with others. However, I have enough respect for those who rightfully do feel that it is, and recognise the valid reasons why they feel that way. I wont show them disrespect by dismissing the reasons that they enjoy the game.
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Ravanos!!! im just joking around man lol!
yeah I understand what you guys are saying right now the cash shop is harmless.
But what happends if it get really popular and SoE adds items that aren't harmless?
See I wouldnt want to even give them a chance to do that. I am totally against Cash shops, im not a EQ2 hater at all and I think its a freaking MMO tragedy that this is happening to you guys.
I agree, even though I hate all forms of cash shops(I don't care in a f2p MMO and I will just avoid it, but with a P2P it's ridiculous), and I think anything available in the game should be aquired through game play, the cash shop items are relatively "harmless" now. But I have two problems with this. One, it's a slippery slope, and before you know it SOE is going to introduce "harmful" items in the shop(see SWG TCG for reference). Second, it is a complete and utter scam. The items in their cost little to nothing to produce, and then they charge you money to buy them EVEN THOUGH you are already paying them $15 a month to sit around and make content that you still have to buy! I've thought the idea of paying monthly for a game and having to pay for expansions was borderline unnacceptable, but I did it anyways. Paying $15 a month plus having to pay for expansions AND having to pay for simple items that should be available in the game anyway is a complete scam.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
then ill be right here by your side with a pitchfork and torch to be honest. As much as i hate the developement of these silly side items(Station cash and LON cards) instead of actual content its mostly harmless even the xp potions.
you don't have to pay for them though thats the key with them (so far) being fluff items ... they are a bonus IF you want them but not required. Once they become a requirement then get the pitchfork and torch out ... until then its no big deal.
you don't have to pay for them though thats the key with them (so far) being fluff items ... they are a bonus IF you want them but not required. Once they become a requirement then get the pitchfork and torch out ... until then its no big deal.
Right there with you matey
I didnt care for the sneaky way it was forced upon the playerbase..but atm its just crap in there..but i just have this nasty feeling that somewhere,sometime soon they'll try to push something that is game changing onto it..i've said it before theres only so much fluff people will buy.
Atm its all wait and see.
you don't have to pay for them though thats the key with them (so far) being fluff items ... they are a bonus IF you want them but not required. Once they become a requirement then get the pitchfork and torch out ... until then its no big deal.
You misinterpreted me. I'm not saying you HAVE to buy them because you need the item, I'm saying if you want the item, you have to buy it to get it. That is a scam. I don't care what the item is, it is a complete scam and nothing more than an attempt to milk more money out of the playerbase. Any item available in game should be aquired through playing the game.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
It may be just age. . .
Real life experience, maybe. . . .Wisdom, perhaps.
But. It's the god d!mn principle. "as long as they don't sell gamebreaking weapons or armor?" What?!
I know it's just a game, however, my free time is more important to me than any of my other time, so why would I not respect my own principles within that time. Why would I disregard my core convictions about social interactions, business ethics, and the mores of society within that time.
My free time is very important to me and I refuse to spend it self-justifying someone else's, especially a gaming business, refusal to take my time as seriously or as important as I do.
Its the principle.
I apply the same principles in all other aspects of my life, entertainment or otherwise.
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then i guess i should go to my bank and call them a scam. because i have an account with them i get all thier services and when i went to get a cashiers check through them I was charged for it .... if i wanted to get a loan through them I would be charged a processing fee. I have a checking account anytime i want a box of checks i get charged for it
theres a lot of businesses in the world that if you want a "specialty" item there is an extra charge for it.
its the way the world works.
Total agreement!
So everyone should quit every sony game they play due to your insight of what is to come? How about boycotting all that sony does? PC's, DVD players, PS3, PSP etc. etc. You have your work cut out for you. I wish you godspeed in your crusade.
Another total agreement.
You know what i dont get is why people get their panties all in a knot about this that DONT even play the game anymore or never even played it ( Just soe haters i guess)
I have been playing since day 1 and i could care less what they do with this it wont affect me or my playstyle at all.
Their is only one thing i would buy if they gimmie a chance and that would be a race respec and other than that its all fluff.
wow SOE sprung a surprise on its gaming community right after they sold an expansion. I dont think thats ever happened before.
Oh wait, i forgot about Star Wars Galaxies.
Are you all really shocked by this ? SOE has proven time and again they are the most dishonest liers in the industry
all of you people are whiney little bitches, as Fumbles said the eq2 store is filled with useless bullshit.
its not like you can buy the Blade of Carnage for 3 bucks lol, its shiney armor set that does nothing but look shiney for a few bucks. the game is still the same as before the dumb RMT shit popped up.
the sky is not falling yet so STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The force shall free me.
-the Sith code
Some of them have been around for quite a while so at least some must have a partial succes. But that is not the problem here, if SOE killed the monthly fees it wouldn't really have been a problem for me. My problem is that they try to eat the cake and save it.
If they stop the monthly fees I will start to play the game again, but they wont (well, if we can trust Smed they might do it for Vanguard or EQ but he said that they wont do that for EQ2). I just don't like cash shops so I vote with my money, I understand that the devs need to earn money somewhere so if the game is free you need either cash shops or some kind of pop ups or product placement to go around but here it is just greed.
But what pisses me off is that they said several times that they wont implement cash shops. I like this game but if I start to play it again I would kinda make this thing legitime and it might get incorporated in all MMOs in the future so I prefer to play something else instead.
You miss the point. The point is that this is the start and if it works well, where will it end?
Cash shops have no right to exist in games with monthly fees, or at least not ones that I will play.
Some of them have been around for quite a while so at least some must have a partial succes. But that is not the problem here, if SOE killed the monthly fees it wouldn't really have been a problem for me. My problem is that they try to eat the cake and save it.
I like this definition.
The biggest problem is of course the fact that they opened cash shops on top of the monthly fee, which is something not even the Koreans dare to do.
Lets put some facts straight.
I am not against the RMT in itself, but as everything in life, they need to be applied to the right product, not indiscriminately on everything that can be applied to.
The first rule for me is to announce in advance which kind of payment they intend to use on the MMO.
It is not right adding such payement in the middle of the lifetime of a game.
But as long as we know in advance that the game will have Cash Shops, people can make an informed decision and decide whether to play it or not.
If I knew EQ2 would have had a Cash Shop, I would have never started to play in the first place for example.
For einstance, SoE new MMORPG for children, Free Realms, will have cash shops and will be free to play.
I am fine with it, not a biggie, I won't play it but I won't bitch about it either, since the rules are clear since the beginning.
Also the kind of people who plays EQ2 is possibly the more adverse to this kind of thing than any other player base.
If WoW adds cash shops to the game, it would have had less complaints about since most of them use Gold Seller anyway to boost their character, and the gameis pretty much fucked anyway.
But touching EQ and EQ2 with this crap is the wrost thing a developer can do to the MMORPG industry.
Anyway time will tell if the gamble will pay off for SoE, my prediction is they will lose lots of customers, and already few rumors about server population problems are circulating.
So we will see.
You miss the point. The point is that this is the start and if it works well, where will it end?
Cash shops have no right to exist in games with monthly fees, or at least not ones that I will play.
Slippery slope is all that is needed to be said.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
The game is the same as before and in game no one even talks about it at all.
What you don't get is that you gonna get your lovely Blade of Carnage in the cash shop in about six months time.
Wanna bet?
If you read my signature, I fail to understand your optimism and trust in SoE CEO and associates, we are not exactly talking about Mother Teresa or Ghandi here.
I agree.
today maybe you can only buy fluff items. But you can bet soon enough that armor and weapons will be available. Why raid for 3 months to get the best possible sword when you can simply buy it ?
This leads to a very slippery slope like others here have stated. Whats next, buying a capped character ? How about legendary gear that cant be achieved in-game ?
Here is a little piece of advice. In 50 years of life I have learned many things. One of the most important things is, to live today and in the moment. You can speculate all you like about what may happen. The "what mays" and "what ifs" really mean nothing. You only have the now. That does not mean don't be prepared for the future but the now is all you have to enjoy. I have lost many loved ones over the years that proves this idea.
Right now EQ2 is enjoyable. Most of the posts in opposition to the cash shop in EQ2 are about what may happen (doubt this just read the many threads on this topic). Not that many seem to have a problem with the "fluff" currently in the shop. There are many reasons to doubt SOE intensions, NGE for one. However so many of you bash EQ2, which is a good game because of the what ifs and in some cases the past. I for one have made mistakes in the past and would not want to be judged or defined by them now.
Some of you feel right to think SOE is some sort of online devil desperate to defraud you of you hard earned cash. That is cool, you have reason for that and you want to warn others but not all of us are ignorant to SOE and want your constant warning. Many of us still love EQ2. Yet all we hear is how we do not get it, as if we are blinded by SOE. I am not happy about all SOE decisions on some of their games including EQ2 but EQ2 is still a great game for many. In my opinion people are blowing the idea of a cash station way out of proportion.
I don't think people who is bashing SoE expect to convince everyone to stop playing their games.
At least that is not my intention, of course I hope people decides not to play them but I am not gonna point out how wrong they are, I just want to point out facts, so they can decide if they want to give SoE a chance or not.
I always said that I am happy some people enjoy EQ2 as it is, and I never ever insulted or flamed people who like the game.
I am sure people who is playing EQ2 now, genuinelly enjoy the game, same as the people who play SWG now.
I am happy for them.
But for 2 people that are happy, there are 3 people who are upset, and I am part of the latter category, and as a 5 year ex-customer I have the right to express my disappointment as much as the people who like the game in the current state are right to express their approval.
Personally my target are not the players and never will be, although some of you take it a little bit personal sometimes, but it is understandable wanting to defend their game.
In a way I am trying to protect you guys as well, what if in the future SoE will decide to make an hardcore expansion and upset all of you?
They are perfectly capable of doing it, and that's what I want to avoid, I just want SoE to stick with their guns and stop upsetting their customer with their Yo-Yo game design and stupid payment systems.
SoE need to learn how to make business, they are totally out of touch with customers and industry standards.
No wonder they are the only major MMO developer not included in this year "Best Developer" awards of MMORPG.com, Lol even Funcom is in there.
Doesn't this tell you something?
It is not just my imagination, they are not victim of the "I hate big Corporations" league, SoE really IS a nasty piece of work, and people need to know about it.
It is a pity that Smedley still doesn't understand how much he is limiting the potential of SoE, with this ramdom behaviour.
With 10 years of experience and the backing of such a big powerhouse like Sony, SoE should have destroyed all the competition.
Instead they are lagging way behind the market leaders and struggling to get ahead of Indie developers.
There is no excuse whatsoever why SoE is so far behind in subscriptions terms, and there is no reason why it should have the worse reputation in the game industry.
Isn't it about time Sony opens its eyes and realizes that probably the current CEO of SoE is not up for the job?
Jeez get someone from EA, I will organize a donation pot if money is the issue, but I am sure anyone can do a better job than the current muppet in charge.
Advantage? Advantage over what? EQ2 isn't a competition, it's a PvE game for the most part. Are you just going to be jealous that someone has a few extra bucks to level their character a little faster? Why do you care so much?
Guys I have nothing against the people that play or played EQ or EQ2.
Actually I even played both games.
Its sony that pisses me off, EQ2 is a good MMO there is no need for a cash shop in game even for fluff shit.
Why dont they just give that fluff away in holiday events and special quest lines why must they try to squeeze more cash out of you guys? You guys have been loyal followers buying every god damn expansion they toss out at you when other MMOs give that level of content in free patches. why do they need more? EQ2 isnt in trouble they get enough cash from this game.
You all say that the items in the cash shop are meaningless well they are right now but once those assholes at SoE see money signs they will flip the script on you guys just watch.
SoE has a terrible track record, how many times do they have to screw customers over before people get it through their heads that they can't be trusted?
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Advantage? Advantage over what? EQ2 isn't a competition, it's a PvE game for the most part. Are you just going to be jealous that someone has a few extra bucks to level their character a little faster? Why do you care so much?
you think PVE games aren't competitive? how long have you been playing MMOs?
You think some ass wad on ur server buying his way to level cap and buying all epic armor with RL cash isnt going to effect you? what happends when the majority of people on the server do that?
Just look at how messed up F2p games are due to cash shop advantages.
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Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Well, you see Cranky, that's where you are wrong. To a great many people MMO's ARE a competition and EQ2 in particular fosters just that mindset by breaking out the top players on each server by various metrics. It is one of the reasons that the EQ2 Players web site is used, although it does not and has not worked correctly for a very long time.
Heck, how many times a night does Norrath become "still" for a moment as someone gets their mythical (for the non EQ2 players, there is a system-wide server message when someone gets their mythical weapon).
Personally, I think of this more like you; that unless it is PVP, MMOs are not about competition with others. However, I have enough respect for those who rightfully do feel that it is, and recognise the valid reasons why they feel that way. I wont show them disrespect by dismissing the reasons that they enjoy the game.
That's just silly.
Best to you