Good post OP. The funniest part is that in every thread, it's the same 3-4 people defending SOE. I think you just gotta ignore their blatent lies and obvious alternative motives, whether it is to keep the sinking game they love afloat, keep their job, or whatever else drives them, they obviously bend the truth a bit to try and accomplish it.
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Good post OP. The funniest part is that in every thread, it's the same 3-4 people defending SOE. I think you just gotta ignore their blatent lies and obvious alternative motives, whether it is to keep the sinking game they love afloat, keep their job, or whatever else drives them, they obviously bend the truth a bit to try and accomplish it.
just to point out the irony here, but the same could be said of you and archangel for example regarding "the other side of the coin". I get the feeling everyone is trying to "win" all the time. In my books "ummax's" books you have indeed "won" so in fact has Archangel. In fact start a list and I will give everyone a nice shiny winners sticker and gold star for winning the unwinnable war.
The TCG is a scam. It's nothing but the last ditch cash grab from the gullible amongst the NGE'rs before the game closes. Which we can surmise is expected in less than a year now that this subscription plan is no longer offered for SWG...
Lol this is priceless. I make a thread about how no matter what you say, some SOE defenders won't accept facts, even established by neutral third parties, and what do I get? People responding to things that weren't actually said and another denial of the speed advantage offered by the loot cards LOL! Man that's just classic And, this denial comes from a guy that told me all of the loot cards are cosmetic...oops forgot about the buff cards, and the ad for the podracer calling it the fastest personal vehicle in the game.
I tested the claim in the real game, where such things as terrain makes a huge difference, the HUGE podracer is faster on level clear terrain, it sucks when it has to avoid any rocks,trees, buildings, you know the stuff that is in the game.
So, aside from the terrain hindering it's ability to achieve a higher speed is it the fastest speeder in game?
The whole point of every objection to the loot cards is that the loot gives those players an advantage over players that do not spend the cash to obtain TCG loot cards, or am I wrong?
The fact is because of terrain none of the loot card speeders have an advantage over speeders that can be obtained by ingame activity. I further submit that the "buffs" you can get from the TCG use the same buff slots as ingame obtained buffs.
Also the current leader in combat buff's is the "radio" collection you get from killing 5 different boss's in the Hoth instance, it give you +250 damage on every attack you make for 30 seconds with a 1 hour cooldown. It trumps a buff you get that lets you survive in effect 1 special from 1 player that you can get from the TCG system.
The new V-wing is just a different skin for a A-Wing no advantage since it's mass is so low (66K mass).
The barn's only extra function (ability to park creatures outside of your datapad) is being given in a upcoming publish to any beastmaster.
The TCG is a scam. It's nothing but the last ditch cash grab from the gullible amongst the NGE'rs before the game closes. Which we can surmise is expected in less than a year now that this subscription plan is no longer offered for SWG...
4) The NGE was not well received and no there was no vocal minority people ranted about it daily ingame. The TCG on the other hand is a different story. No one rants about it in the game, there are no "nekid server sit ins" no attempt to crash servers only 20 people possibly maybe 5 with alt accounts trying to look like 20 people spamming threads at the rate of 5 or 6 per day but the thread starters if you watch are always the same few people. These are two seperate incidents and I would imagine the outcry is not the same because people are not being affected on a wide scale because there are actually very few benefits to the thing and it *is* only a card game and many people *do* enjoy it especially when they are at end game and want something else to do.
There are no in-game protests because honestly the vast majority of people still playing don't care what SOE does to them. Don't take the lack of protests as an indication that the card game is a good thing...there's simply not enough people still playing to hold an actual protest.
I still take issue with your last sentence. I don't think there are very many people who are paying for extra decks to play the card game...it's all about the loot cards.
Hey since I got your TCG "facts" thread unlocked you should start posting there again...since, you know, it has "facts" and stuff.
The TCG is a scam. It's nothing but the last ditch cash grab from the gullible amongst the NGE'rs before the game closes. Which we can surmise is expected in less than a year now that this subscription plan is no longer offered for SWG...
Um ... one-year subs are still available, WC.
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You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you?
Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles).
As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country.
You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you? Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles). As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country. You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
4) The NGE was not well received and no there was no vocal minority people ranted about it daily ingame. The TCG on the other hand is a different story. No one rants about it in the game, there are no "nekid server sit ins" no attempt to crash servers only 20 people possibly maybe 5 with alt accounts trying to look like 20 people spamming threads at the rate of 5 or 6 per day but the thread starters if you watch are always the same few people. These are two seperate incidents and I would imagine the outcry is not the same because people are not being affected on a wide scale because there are actually very few benefits to the thing and it *is* only a card game and many people *do* enjoy it especially when they are at end game and want something else to do.
There are no in-game protests because honestly the vast majority of people still playing don't care what SOE does to them. Don't take the lack of protests as an indication that the card game is a good thing...there's simply not enough people still playing to hold an actual protest.
I still take issue with your last sentence. I don't think there are very many people who are paying for extra decks to play the card game...it's all about the loot cards.
Hey since I got your TCG "facts" thread unlocked you should start posting there again...since, you know, it has "facts" and stuff.
Yup I know but I said what I had to say. The original post was about 50% fact. If there was an opinion to be stated in it I said it was one. Here is another fact. I posted that post for one simple reason. About a week before or possibly two archangel was trying to find the speed of a podracer. I didn't want to get involved, but he seems to be a fellow that looks at what he sees and acknowledges its existance so I sent him a pm. In the pm was an explanation to please not post that I pm'ed him but here is a list of the speeds of all the vehicles in the game. In that list was of course the podracer. The list was created by a player , but published later on on the official SWG site under the guides section. The list put the podracer among the fastest on the straight away but did not rank it as faster then any of the other top vehicles. It also ranked is a mediochre on turn speed. He chose to ignore that information which is what made me realize that he was not on a fact finding mission, but was indeed out at all costs to prove something even if it was wrong. I then started reading what else he was writing and realized there was a lot of bunk in it that he was calling fact but really it was opinion. Now for whatever reason despite the fact that there are similar "gambling models" out there he seems to want them to remain in operation and only take down SWG. He also needs something from present players if he is to pursue this in a court of law. What he requires is for us to at the very least produce sworn affidavits about certain issues. IN other words we are required to tell the truth. In order to make his case he would have to rely on present day players actually saying that they indeed were being hurt by sony online entertainment (or whatever they go by now). In my case he would in fact require me to LIE to a judge in order to support his claims. Here is another fact I don't lie and certainly wont be lying to a judge for any cause. That one you can bank on 100%.
He wants to put together a case, but need to find evidence to support it. In this case I and others are part of that evidence. The only thing he can do now is go and attempt to prove its gambling. Nothing is stopping him and coming to a forum to garner some sort of support for his efforts on this matter though would require the present day player population to somehow feel cheated. Obviously we do not. Its unfair to say that present day players dont care. Its also unfair to brow beat them to support a cause and possibly lie to a judge in this case to support it. By all means if you wish to help him in his cause please do. Open up an account now and go to a judge and say whatever you want. I however wont be there as I'm not being ripped off. When I am riped off maybe then would be the time for me to contact archangel and maybe he can sue the pants off them or whatever he wants to do. The fact is I'm not lying and gave him proof that the speeder was no faster then what was already available ingame. He ignored it as it didn't serve his purpose. That information like the other stuff i produced in the original post of that thread was also easily found on the sony website. It was tossed aside and that is wrong.
So right now the only case he can attempt to build is one of gambling. I wish him luck, but that is a very hard road to travel. If he does manage to prove it to an american court though I'm more then just a little bit sure that it will bring all the TCG's down like a house of cards (pardon the pun) as they get investigated and others that provide loot cards etc in them will have to be altered as well. What he is doing has serious implications but in the end most people want to see sony shut down or possibly death and mayhem in the sony offices. In reality what will happen is what happens in other companies. (see second life when they got investigated for gambline). They wil be given a chance by the investigating body to remedy the situation and when they do the case will be closed and the investigators will move on.
From what I can see however just making sure a company especially this company operates within the boundaries of the law isn't enough for many people on this forum they want more and if it involves controversy and hurting players in the present all the better. That is why Archangel needs present day players to agree with him. Well unfortunately from what I can see none do at the moment. Maybe if he keeps trying others somehwere else will agree with him and support his cause. It just wont happening today unfortunately.
Here is another fact. There are maximum speeds that sony is going to set a moving object at and go no farther. There is a reason for that. If they try to propel it faster and it his lag or a server junction they speeder or any other fast moving object will go out of control and fly into the virtual air. There is a reason for that but I dont know all the technical terms. From what it appears from what little I can see sony has quite some time ago reached the max that objects can travel on the physics engine they created. So speeders have a max speed in this game and that's it. (edited to add the link basically and the info on objects going out of control if they are propelled to quickly)
Here is another fact. There are maximum speeds that sony is going to set a moving object at and go no farther. There is a reason for that. If they try to propel it faster and it his lag or a server junction they speeder or any other fast moving object will go out of control and fly into the virtual air. There is a reason for that but I dont know all the technical terms. From what it appears from what little I can see sony has quite some time ago reached the max that objects can travel on the physics engine they created. So speeders have a max speed in this game and that's it. (edited to add the link basically and the info on objects going out of control if they are propelled to quickly)
So forget about the speed issue for a moment. Do you agree that providing things like the podracer, the new structures, the new food, etc from the card game is bad for crafters? Obraik refuses to admit that and I'm wondering if you all hold the same view or not.
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you? Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles). As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country. You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
Here is another fact. There are maximum speeds that sony is going to set a moving object at and go no farther. There is a reason for that. If they try to propel it faster and it his lag or a server junction they speeder or any other fast moving object will go out of control and fly into the virtual air. There is a reason for that but I dont know all the technical terms. From what it appears from what little I can see sony has quite some time ago reached the max that objects can travel on the physics engine they created. So speeders have a max speed in this game and that's it. (edited to add the link basically and the info on objects going out of control if they are propelled to quickly)
So forget about the speed issue for a moment. Do you agree that providing things like the podracer, the new structures, the new food, etc from the card game is bad for crafters? Obraik refuses to admit that and I'm wondering if you all hold the same view or not.
I answerd that for you before I'm not sure why I need to answer it again? i can link you to it but it seems that people seem to want to ask the same questions over and over again without retaining the answers
as an aside the link is now broken so I"m trying to find out why. Its possible they slowed the other vehicles down and rearragned them to make one faster. I do know that long ago it appeared that sony had hit its cap. So the only way they can make the podracer fastest is to make the rest of them slower.
Do i agree that its hurting crafters? Not in this case because the actual quality is aweful which I already stated. LIke that podracer which is impossible to drive anywhere due to its size there seem to be built in issues for everyday use. IN the case of the barn and other items they have proven to not be a replacement. They hold less items then a small house (150 is what they hold) they are tiny not much larger then the little round naboo houses and smaller then the rest of the small houses. If they made a mantion that fit on one lot that held 500 items I might bat an eyelid but at the present time the items introduced by the card game has not been a substitute for what exists. So in short at present no. If they started making medium tattoine houses I might change my mind or large naboo houses or whatever, but like most of the other items so far they have been of little use over the long term. If you want to talk about the buffs well the only buffs I use are ent buffs so obviously i'm not being "hurt" by the buffs. I also am not a pilot an I dont make ships so any ship introduced to the game I can form no opinion on but from what I can hear its quality and use is no better then what exists so its introduced as a cosmetic change and only that. Since from what i understand the most popular ships are the "heavies" and the gunboats all of which are non craftable except the imperial heavy. This damage is already done. I dont think the card game can make it any worse as most people already once they hit their master pilot seem to fly a heavy tie fighter (craftable), heavy x wing (quest item) or gunboat (collection item). Its one of the reasons I never bothered to get into ship building. Ship building to my knowledge was pretty useless when it was introduced, but I could be wrong.
Anyhow i'm going to look for the podracer info, but since the page has moved and I can no longer find the chart with the podracer its possible its now the fastest vehicle in the game. I have also never seen anyone actualy drive one only take it out and leave it in the starport because they are enourmous. It would not be used in pvp and I have no idea if its even drivable. The popular ones are the sith on which I can one shot and the red one which no one drives anywhere unsafe.
The NGE is dead. If LEC had any faith in SOE at all, they'd be developing the new game. They aren't.
It's just here to fill a place until the new game comes out. LEC basically doesn't give a crap what SOE does with it from now until it closes (less than a year away, as evidenced by the ending of the 1 year sub option).
SOE is doing what SOE does... The TCG in SWG is offering outrageous in game items (unlike the EQ one) that are unobtainable and gameplay affecting. This is THEIR cynical last ditch "grab all the cash from the suckers we can".
Lol this is priceless. I make a thread about how no matter what you say, some SOE defenders won't accept facts, even established by neutral third parties, and what do I get? People responding to things that weren't actually said and another denial of the speed advantage offered by the loot cards LOL! Man that's just classic And, this denial comes from a guy that told me all of the loot cards are cosmetic...oops forgot about the buff cards, and the ad for the podracer calling it the fastest personal vehicle in the game.
I tested the claim in the real game, where such things as terrain makes a huge difference, the HUGE podracer is faster on level clear terrain, it sucks when it has to avoid any rocks,trees, buildings, you know the stuff that is in the game.
So, aside from the terrain hindering it's ability to achieve a higher speed is it the fastest speeder in game?
The whole point of every objection to the loot cards is that the loot gives those players an advantage over players that do not spend the cash to obtain TCG loot cards, or am I wrong?
The fact is because of terrain none of the loot card speeders have an advantage over speeders that can be obtained by ingame activity. I further submit that the "buffs" you can get from the TCG use the same buff slots as ingame obtained buffs.
Also the current leader in combat buff's is the "radio" collection you get from killing 5 different boss's in the Hoth instance, it give you +250 damage on every attack you make for 30 seconds with a 1 hour cooldown. It trumps a buff you get that lets you survive in effect 1 special from 1 player that you can get from the TCG system.
The new V-wing is just a different skin for a A-Wing no advantage since it's mass is so low (66K mass).
The barn's only extra function (ability to park creatures outside of your datapad) is being given in a upcoming publish to any beastmaster.
That's still not an answer to my question though.
And once again, that's really the point of this thread, isn't it. How 'bout just admit what everyone already knows anyways, so that we can actually have a discussion. This just doesn't seem to happen.
It's exactly like when we told SOE that the NGE wasn't being well received. Their response? Yes it is, the reviews are very favourable. Jeez, what can you do with that? Honestly, nothing. Spin, spin and more spin. It's all you seem to get from these people.
I'd much rather focus my energies on interacting with people on these, and any, boards that can start by acknowleding reality.
You know I once mentioned that Smed promised to fast track server mergers, since he did at a face-to-face summit. The response? He did fast track them... This was two years ago, and they never happened. That's one helluva a fast track I tell ya lol. Someone will now probably say, "oh but we're getting server transfers now." And um, that is the same as a server merger, in what way? It isn't one. So much for the fast track.
Then we could talk about "the CU is here to stay" or the promise that lightsaber crystals for elders would give them an advantage over any jedi coming through the NGE system. The response to that? The cu was here to stay...temporarily....just like the elder crystal.
How can you run a game when no one trusts your service? How can they trust your service if telling the truth is harder than a man giving natural birth? Again, I'll point to the list of dead servers that were once thriving. There's your answer right there, if people are willng to see it, but like I said, some just won't.
Not one damn bit of this matters. The NGE is dead. If LEC had any faith in SOE at all, they'd be developing the new game. They aren't. It's just here to fill a place until the new game comes out. LEC basically doesn't give a crap what SOE does with it from now until it closes (less than a year away, as evidenced by the ending of the 1 year sub option). SOE is doing what SOE does... The TCG in SWG is offering outrageous in game items (unlike the EQ one) that are unobtainable and gameplay affecting. This is THEIR cynical last ditch "grab all the cash from the suckers we can".
Lol now that's an opinion, but one that I agree with 100% .
Also, this deny, deny, deny; recruit, recruit, recruit approach is, in my opinion, a cynical last ditch attempt to get as many suckers roped into paying, paying, paying SOE as possible before this cadaver finally stops twitching.
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you? Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles). As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country. You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
Not one damn bit of this matters. The NGE is dead. If LEC had any faith in SOE at all, they'd be developing the new game. They aren't. It's just here to fill a place until the new game comes out. LEC basically doesn't give a crap what SOE does with it from now until it closes (less than a year away, as evidenced by the ending of the 1 year sub option). SOE is doing what SOE does... The TCG in SWG is offering outrageous in game items (unlike the EQ one) that are unobtainable and gameplay affecting. This is THEIR cynical last ditch "grab all the cash from the suckers we can".
Lol now that's an opinion, but one that I agree with 100% .
Also, this deny, deny, deny; recruit, recruit, recruit approach is, in my opinion, a cynical last ditch attempt to get as many suckers roped into paying, paying, paying SOE as possible before this cadaver finally stops twitching.
Which is why now more than ever, it's important to NOT go back.
Especially considering what ELSE we are going to get before summer
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you? Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles). As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country. You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
Actually this thread isn't about the TCG...(checks to make sure) lol, nope it's not.
The post of mine that you've quoted is a response to a comment that I don't have a history of sharing factual information, just opinions of questionable validity. I decided to share a very brief history of the factual information that I've shared on these boards. Maybe that puts things in perspective .
As for what I want from current SWG players? Nothing really. I wouldn't lump all current players into this thread at all. My comments refer to a small group of avid SOE defenders that can't seem to be honest in our discussions.
My point is that sharing truth with people to whom the truth is threatening, is apparently a futile endeavor. That's what the post is about. I was sharing a personal insight As I read most of the responses from the people I had in mind, I'm only further convinced.
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you? Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles). As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country. You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
just to point out an error...they are not having server merges...they have having free toon transfers off of selected servers to selected servers. I will agree that full out server merges/closures would be the next step though but for now they stated no server merges.
Not one damn bit of this matters. The NGE is dead. If LEC had any faith in SOE at all, they'd be developing the new game. They aren't. It's just here to fill a place until the new game comes out. LEC basically doesn't give a crap what SOE does with it from now until it closes (less than a year away, as evidenced by the ending of the 1 year sub option). SOE is doing what SOE does... The TCG in SWG is offering outrageous in game items (unlike the EQ one) that are unobtainable and gameplay affecting. This is THEIR cynical last ditch "grab all the cash from the suckers we can".
You see, when I accuse the "vets" of lying, this is what I'm talking about.
The one-year sub option didn't go anywhere. It's still there. I just resubbed an account last week and sure enough, the one-year option was right there in front of me.
Second time in this thread you've said it. it was bullshit the first time and it's still bullshit.
Slag on SWG all you want. Just don't lie to do it.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you? Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles). As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country. You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
Actually this thread isn't about the TCG...(checks to make sure) lol, nope it's not.
The post of mine that you've quoted is a response to a comment that I don't have a history of sharing factual information, just opinions of questionable validity. I decided to share a very brief history of the factual information that I've shared on these boards. Maybe that puts things in perspective .
As for what I want from current SWG players? Nothing really. I wouldn't lump all current players into this thread at all. My comments refer to a small group of avid SOE defenders that can't seem to be honest in our discussions.
My point is that sharing truth with people to whom the truth is threatening, is apparently a futile endeavor. That's what the post is about. I was sharing a personal insight As I read most of the responses from the people I had in mind, I'm only further convinced.
If you really enjoy something you dont notice flaws. This is how humans work. There is a group around that call this game a "crap game" but play it anyhow. I have always wondered why anyone would voluntarily pay for crap. So there are only a few actual players around here lol those who say "yeah I play this game but its a crap game" are not playing it.
I am playing and enjoying this game and despite what others feel I think its an excellent game. Trust in a company? I have not been able to trust companies for a long long time sony is a company I encountered after I became jaded which is why I"m hard to rip off. I enjoy their game though and so I play it making sure I avoid any situations which might be dangerous. Unfortunately I have had similar or worse experiences with other companies. So in the end you have to basically play the game and take the risks or avoid them.
You wont find me discussing negative aspects on this game I enjoy on a regular basis for the sole reason that Im here out of interest for the fun parts of the game. I dont see why as a player my roll on this forum must be to continually bash something. I play other games and leave them and I have played some very very bad games and even been a part of the dark and light debacle (i lost 5 bucks when they tried to bill us at one point even though we had left). I see no purpose in continuously complaining. Some people do enjoy it I guess and I guess that is why this forum is more popular then the rest.
Most of the time though I pass by here and shake my head when I see that the forum hasn't moved forward one inch from 6 months ago. Same threads, same issues same conversations. I posted now because for me anyhow TCG is new so its something new to chew on, but I"m about done with that as my frustration level rises and people start to ask me the same question now over and over (like they want to hear a different answer almost my mother does that when she wants me to change my mind about something and it drives me batty). So already I have had my fill almost of this place as I have taken part in the same identical discussion (yet again) and nothing has moved an inch. Heck we even have "the messiah guy" I call him who pops into every thread and says the same 3 sentances over and over again. quite literally for me anyhow I can now predict what will happen next in most cases and who is going to say what.
The only thing I have noticed is that the flames are not as bad as the last time I was here.
Reality says though for the most part that if someone really enjoys something a lot they wont be talking negatively about it only positivly about it. Otherwise they would not like it and that goes for anything.
Usually i love these lively discussions but as i sit here reading, i decided it's just not worth it lol. By all means keep on talking about this i'm not saying not too, just it's pointless at this well point.
People just do what makes you happy, if the game makes you happy play it, that's all that's important. If you need to fight for whatever you need to fight for and that makes you happy go for it.
I'm gonna do as i please, and nobody will decide anything for me.
just my opinion by the way, but as a gamer i have been screwed over by companies for years and years, blizzard, EA, lots of others, they are always changing things, they are always having bad customer service, they are always doing something stupid. My first MMO was Saga of Ryzom, the i loved the combat in that game and then one day the devs totally changed it and nearly ruined the game for me, could i have quit, yes...but i decided to adapt to the changes because other then that the game was enjoyable to me.
It sucks companies do stupid things, but if i personally boycotted every company that did something wrong i would be living out in the woods somewhere hiding from society in general, because in some way or another somebody or some company is always gonna screw you over.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Not one damn bit of this matters. The NGE is dead. If LEC had any faith in SOE at all, they'd be developing the new game. They aren't. It's just here to fill a place until the new game comes out. LEC basically doesn't give a crap what SOE does with it from now until it closes (less than a year away, as evidenced by the ending of the 1 year sub option). SOE is doing what SOE does... The TCG in SWG is offering outrageous in game items (unlike the EQ one) that are unobtainable and gameplay affecting. This is THEIR cynical last ditch "grab all the cash from the suckers we can".
You see, when I accuse the "vets" of lying, this is what I'm talking about.
The one-year sub option didn't go anywhere. It's still there. I just resubbed an account last week and sure enough, the one-year option was right there in front of me.
Second time in this thread you've said it. it was bullshit the first time and it's still bullshit.
Slag on SWG all you want. Just don't lie to do it.
Of all the people that must understand what I'm saying here, I'm sure you're one of them Kobie lol It's hard to have a discussion when people won't admit that their information was wrong (not a lie in everycase, sometimes just an error that I've made myself). It's even harder to have a conversation with someone that knows the truth but says something misleading anyways. You just can't talk to people like that, so I've decided to focus my attention elsewhere
Now if I really put my money where my mouth is, I'll stop posting in this thread lol...Me and my higher power.
P.S. since you're in this discussion now, I almost fell out of my chair when someone said that everyone knows you're really wildcat; damn that was the funniest thing I think I've ever read on these boards.
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Good post OP. The funniest part is that in every thread, it's the same 3-4 people defending SOE. I think you just gotta ignore their blatent lies and obvious alternative motives, whether it is to keep the sinking game they love afloat, keep their job, or whatever else drives them, they obviously bend the truth a bit to try and accomplish it.
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just to point out the irony here, but the same could be said of you and archangel for example regarding "the other side of the coin". I get the feeling everyone is trying to "win" all the time. In my books "ummax's" books you have indeed "won" so in fact has Archangel. In fact start a list and I will give everyone a nice shiny winners sticker and gold star for winning the unwinnable war.
The TCG is a scam. It's nothing but the last ditch cash grab from the gullible amongst the NGE'rs before the game closes. Which we can surmise is expected in less than a year now that this subscription plan is no longer offered for SWG...
I tested the claim in the real game, where such things as terrain makes a huge difference, the HUGE podracer is faster on level clear terrain, it sucks when it has to avoid any rocks,trees, buildings, you know the stuff that is in the game.
So, aside from the terrain hindering it's ability to achieve a higher speed is it the fastest speeder in game?
The whole point of every objection to the loot cards is that the loot gives those players an advantage over players that do not spend the cash to obtain TCG loot cards, or am I wrong?
The fact is because of terrain none of the loot card speeders have an advantage over speeders that can be obtained by ingame activity. I further submit that the "buffs" you can get from the TCG use the same buff slots as ingame obtained buffs.
Also the current leader in combat buff's is the "radio" collection you get from killing 5 different boss's in the Hoth instance, it give you +250 damage on every attack you make for 30 seconds with a 1 hour cooldown. It trumps a buff you get that lets you survive in effect 1 special from 1 player that you can get from the TCG system.
The new V-wing is just a different skin for a A-Wing no advantage since it's mass is so low (66K mass).
The barn's only extra function (ability to park creatures outside of your datapad) is being given in a upcoming publish to any beastmaster.
That's still not an answer to my question though.
ha! its over the nge is finished!
There are no in-game protests because honestly the vast majority of people still playing don't care what SOE does to them. Don't take the lack of protests as an indication that the card game is a good thing...there's simply not enough people still playing to hold an actual protest.
I still take issue with your last sentence. I don't think there are very many people who are paying for extra decks to play the card game...it's all about the loot cards.
Hey since I got your TCG "facts" thread unlocked you should start posting there again...since, you know, it has "facts" and stuff.
Um ... one-year subs are still available, WC.
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So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
You're just going to keep rehashing this in a different way in a different thread as much as you can as long as people are disagreeing with you, aren't you?
Are the Pod-racers faster then other vehicles available in the game? Possibly but I haven't had the opportunity to chase anyone down using one since no one uses them in PvP (probably due to the significant price difference to repair them compared to other vehicles).
As for your line about the TCG and international countries, are those of us outside of the USA expected to change our opinions to bow to your American ways? I cannot change my opinion to form to yours when I don't live under the same conditions as you. I cannot think something's wrong because you believe it is (supposedly, an actual lawyer has yet to prove your claims) in your country.
You claim to have brought forward facts and truth yet this is very rarely the case. Most discussions on these forums are based on opinions with equal amount of bias on either side. Your opinions are no truer then mine.
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Long live.......er......hmm...
Ah sod it I'm going for a beer! Who wants one?
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"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
There are no in-game protests because honestly the vast majority of people still playing don't care what SOE does to them. Don't take the lack of protests as an indication that the card game is a good thing...there's simply not enough people still playing to hold an actual protest.
I still take issue with your last sentence. I don't think there are very many people who are paying for extra decks to play the card game...it's all about the loot cards.
Hey since I got your TCG "facts" thread unlocked you should start posting there again...since, you know, it has "facts" and stuff.
Yup I know but I said what I had to say. The original post was about 50% fact. If there was an opinion to be stated in it I said it was one. Here is another fact. I posted that post for one simple reason. About a week before or possibly two archangel was trying to find the speed of a podracer. I didn't want to get involved, but he seems to be a fellow that looks at what he sees and acknowledges its existance so I sent him a pm. In the pm was an explanation to please not post that I pm'ed him but here is a list of the speeds of all the vehicles in the game. In that list was of course the podracer. The list was created by a player , but published later on on the official SWG site under the guides section. The list put the podracer among the fastest on the straight away but did not rank it as faster then any of the other top vehicles. It also ranked is a mediochre on turn speed. He chose to ignore that information which is what made me realize that he was not on a fact finding mission, but was indeed out at all costs to prove something even if it was wrong. I then started reading what else he was writing and realized there was a lot of bunk in it that he was calling fact but really it was opinion. Now for whatever reason despite the fact that there are similar "gambling models" out there he seems to want them to remain in operation and only take down SWG. He also needs something from present players if he is to pursue this in a court of law. What he requires is for us to at the very least produce sworn affidavits about certain issues. IN other words we are required to tell the truth. In order to make his case he would have to rely on present day players actually saying that they indeed were being hurt by sony online entertainment (or whatever they go by now). In my case he would in fact require me to LIE to a judge in order to support his claims. Here is another fact I don't lie and certainly wont be lying to a judge for any cause. That one you can bank on 100%.
He wants to put together a case, but need to find evidence to support it. In this case I and others are part of that evidence. The only thing he can do now is go and attempt to prove its gambling. Nothing is stopping him and coming to a forum to garner some sort of support for his efforts on this matter though would require the present day player population to somehow feel cheated. Obviously we do not. Its unfair to say that present day players dont care. Its also unfair to brow beat them to support a cause and possibly lie to a judge in this case to support it. By all means if you wish to help him in his cause please do. Open up an account now and go to a judge and say whatever you want. I however wont be there as I'm not being ripped off. When I am riped off maybe then would be the time for me to contact archangel and maybe he can sue the pants off them or whatever he wants to do. The fact is I'm not lying and gave him proof that the speeder was no faster then what was already available ingame. He ignored it as it didn't serve his purpose. That information like the other stuff i produced in the original post of that thread was also easily found on the sony website. It was tossed aside and that is wrong.
So right now the only case he can attempt to build is one of gambling. I wish him luck, but that is a very hard road to travel. If he does manage to prove it to an american court though I'm more then just a little bit sure that it will bring all the TCG's down like a house of cards (pardon the pun) as they get investigated and others that provide loot cards etc in them will have to be altered as well. What he is doing has serious implications but in the end most people want to see sony shut down or possibly death and mayhem in the sony offices. In reality what will happen is what happens in other companies. (see second life when they got investigated for gambline). They wil be given a chance by the investigating body to remedy the situation and when they do the case will be closed and the investigators will move on.
From what I can see however just making sure a company especially this company operates within the boundaries of the law isn't enough for many people on this forum they want more and if it involves controversy and hurting players in the present all the better. That is why Archangel needs present day players to agree with him. Well unfortunately from what I can see none do at the moment. Maybe if he keeps trying others somehwere else will agree with him and support his cause. It just wont happening today unfortunately.
http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/players/news_archive.vm?id=68101
Here is another fact. There are maximum speeds that sony is going to set a moving object at and go no farther. There is a reason for that. If they try to propel it faster and it his lag or a server junction they speeder or any other fast moving object will go out of control and fly into the virtual air. There is a reason for that but I dont know all the technical terms. From what it appears from what little I can see sony has quite some time ago reached the max that objects can travel on the physics engine they created. So speeders have a max speed in this game and that's it. (edited to add the link basically and the info on objects going out of control if they are propelled to quickly)
So forget about the speed issue for a moment. Do you agree that providing things like the podracer, the new structures, the new food, etc from the card game is bad for crafters? Obraik refuses to admit that and I'm wondering if you all hold the same view or not.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
So forget about the speed issue for a moment. Do you agree that providing things like the podracer, the new structures, the new food, etc from the card game is bad for crafters? Obraik refuses to admit that and I'm wondering if you all hold the same view or not.
I answerd that for you before I'm not sure why I need to answer it again? i can link you to it but it seems that people seem to want to ask the same questions over and over again without retaining the answers
as an aside the link is now broken so I"m trying to find out why. Its possible they slowed the other vehicles down and rearragned them to make one faster. I do know that long ago it appeared that sony had hit its cap. So the only way they can make the podracer fastest is to make the rest of them slower.
Do i agree that its hurting crafters? Not in this case because the actual quality is aweful which I already stated. LIke that podracer which is impossible to drive anywhere due to its size there seem to be built in issues for everyday use. IN the case of the barn and other items they have proven to not be a replacement. They hold less items then a small house (150 is what they hold) they are tiny not much larger then the little round naboo houses and smaller then the rest of the small houses. If they made a mantion that fit on one lot that held 500 items I might bat an eyelid but at the present time the items introduced by the card game has not been a substitute for what exists. So in short at present no. If they started making medium tattoine houses I might change my mind or large naboo houses or whatever, but like most of the other items so far they have been of little use over the long term. If you want to talk about the buffs well the only buffs I use are ent buffs so obviously i'm not being "hurt" by the buffs. I also am not a pilot an I dont make ships so any ship introduced to the game I can form no opinion on but from what I can hear its quality and use is no better then what exists so its introduced as a cosmetic change and only that. Since from what i understand the most popular ships are the "heavies" and the gunboats all of which are non craftable except the imperial heavy. This damage is already done. I dont think the card game can make it any worse as most people already once they hit their master pilot seem to fly a heavy tie fighter (craftable), heavy x wing (quest item) or gunboat (collection item). Its one of the reasons I never bothered to get into ship building. Ship building to my knowledge was pretty useless when it was introduced, but I could be wrong.
Anyhow i'm going to look for the podracer info, but since the page has moved and I can no longer find the chart with the podracer its possible its now the fastest vehicle in the game. I have also never seen anyone actualy drive one only take it out and leave it in the starport because they are enourmous. It would not be used in pvp and I have no idea if its even drivable. The popular ones are the sith on which I can one shot and the red one which no one drives anywhere unsafe.
Not one damn bit of this matters.
The NGE is dead. If LEC had any faith in SOE at all, they'd be developing the new game. They aren't.
It's just here to fill a place until the new game comes out. LEC basically doesn't give a crap what SOE does with it from now until it closes (less than a year away, as evidenced by the ending of the 1 year sub option).
SOE is doing what SOE does... The TCG in SWG is offering outrageous in game items (unlike the EQ one) that are unobtainable and gameplay affecting. This is THEIR cynical last ditch "grab all the cash from the suckers we can".
I tested the claim in the real game, where such things as terrain makes a huge difference, the HUGE podracer is faster on level clear terrain, it sucks when it has to avoid any rocks,trees, buildings, you know the stuff that is in the game.
So, aside from the terrain hindering it's ability to achieve a higher speed is it the fastest speeder in game?
The whole point of every objection to the loot cards is that the loot gives those players an advantage over players that do not spend the cash to obtain TCG loot cards, or am I wrong?
The fact is because of terrain none of the loot card speeders have an advantage over speeders that can be obtained by ingame activity. I further submit that the "buffs" you can get from the TCG use the same buff slots as ingame obtained buffs.
Also the current leader in combat buff's is the "radio" collection you get from killing 5 different boss's in the Hoth instance, it give you +250 damage on every attack you make for 30 seconds with a 1 hour cooldown. It trumps a buff you get that lets you survive in effect 1 special from 1 player that you can get from the TCG system.
The new V-wing is just a different skin for a A-Wing no advantage since it's mass is so low (66K mass).
The barn's only extra function (ability to park creatures outside of your datapad) is being given in a upcoming publish to any beastmaster.
That's still not an answer to my question though.
And once again, that's really the point of this thread, isn't it. How 'bout just admit what everyone already knows anyways, so that we can actually have a discussion. This just doesn't seem to happen.
It's exactly like when we told SOE that the NGE wasn't being well received. Their response? Yes it is, the reviews are very favourable. Jeez, what can you do with that? Honestly, nothing. Spin, spin and more spin. It's all you seem to get from these people.
I'd much rather focus my energies on interacting with people on these, and any, boards that can start by acknowleding reality.
You know I once mentioned that Smed promised to fast track server mergers, since he did at a face-to-face summit. The response? He did fast track them... This was two years ago, and they never happened. That's one helluva a fast track I tell ya lol. Someone will now probably say, "oh but we're getting server transfers now." And um, that is the same as a server merger, in what way? It isn't one. So much for the fast track.
Then we could talk about "the CU is here to stay" or the promise that lightsaber crystals for elders would give them an advantage over any jedi coming through the NGE system. The response to that? The cu was here to stay...temporarily....just like the elder crystal.
How can you run a game when no one trusts your service? How can they trust your service if telling the truth is harder than a man giving natural birth? Again, I'll point to the list of dead servers that were once thriving. There's your answer right there, if people are willng to see it, but like I said, some just won't.
Lol now that's an opinion, but one that I agree with 100%
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Also, this deny, deny, deny; recruit, recruit, recruit approach is, in my opinion, a cynical last ditch attempt to get as many suckers roped into paying, paying, paying SOE as possible before this cadaver finally stops twitching.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
Lol now that's an opinion, but one that I agree with 100%
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Also, this deny, deny, deny; recruit, recruit, recruit approach is, in my opinion, a cynical last ditch attempt to get as many suckers roped into paying, paying, paying SOE as possible before this cadaver finally stops twitching.
Which is why now more than ever, it's important to NOT go back.
Especially considering what ELSE we are going to get before summer
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
Actually this thread isn't about the TCG...(checks to make sure) lol, nope it's not.
The post of mine that you've quoted is a response to a comment that I don't have a history of sharing factual information, just opinions of questionable validity. I decided to share a very brief history of the factual information that I've shared on these boards. Maybe that puts things in perspective
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As for what I want from current SWG players? Nothing really. I wouldn't lump all current players into this thread at all. My comments refer to a small group of avid SOE defenders that can't seem to be honest in our discussions.
My point is that sharing truth with people to whom the truth is threatening, is apparently a futile endeavor. That's what the post is about. I was sharing a personal insight
As I read most of the responses from the people I had in mind, I'm only further convinced.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
just to point out an error...they are not having server merges...they have having free toon transfers off of selected servers to selected servers. I will agree that full out server merges/closures would be the next step though but for now they stated no server merges.
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Ten Golden Rules Of Videogame Fanboyism
"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
You see, when I accuse the "vets" of lying, this is what I'm talking about.
The one-year sub option didn't go anywhere. It's still there. I just resubbed an account last week and sure enough, the one-year option was right there in front of me.
Second time in this thread you've said it. it was bullshit the first time and it's still bullshit.
Slag on SWG all you want. Just don't lie to do it.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Erm (again) this isn't an SOE is evil thread, and it isn't specifically about the loot items in the TCG. That was just one clear example of many.
Even gutboy finally acknowledged the speed advantage of the loot item. A vehicle top speed, fyi, isn't an opinion. It's a fact, created by design and coding. I agree my actual opinions have no more validity than anyone elses, but this um...isn't one.
P.S. If you'd like to copy/paste anything I've ever said about bugs and issues in SWG, about the ToOW, the NGE, the CU, the chapter 6 upgrade, promised server mergers, differences between TCG's in SWG and WoW that is not accurate, please feel free. The information I've shared has been from stratics chats, chats with former SOE devs and others, SOE/LEC ads, summits with Smed etc.. It's been factual information to the best of my human ability.
I could fill a few pages of quotes of accurate information that I (and others) have shared about all of these issues, and more--not opinions either, just solid information--but see that's what I'm really talking about here.
I've done that. Your response? Ignore the facts, say that they haven't been shared, and label them opinions. Like I said, people that read these forums are smart enough to see what's going on.
I'll go the extra mile and give you just a few example of things shared. It might jog your memory:
Dev chats prior to trials of obi wan promised profession revamps. These professions were then deleted immediately following these chats. Fact or opinion?
ToOW buyers were promised new creatures to tame on Mustafar. The NGE would delete CH from the game, but players weren't told until after they paid for the expansion. Fact or opinion?
Group way point arrows still don't work in SOE's busted game. Fact or opinion?
SOE promised collision detection with the FPS NGE. The game still doesn't have it. Fact or opinion?
You can't get tradeable loot items from the TCG without gambling money on booster packs. Fact or opinion?
The loot items include performance enhancements. Fact or opinion?
That's plenty for now. Like I said, I could go on, and on lol, but that is the pattern I'd like to break. If you didn't acknowledge these facts before, why would you acknowledge them now. In light of that, meaningful dialogue is futile.
I've decided that the truth is simply not valued by many people who want to defend SOE's behaviour. I think this is probably because the truth doesn't really serve as a valid defence. If anything it's incriminating. I think that's likely why it's denied and ignored.
I'll take this a step further. Why all the NDA's for staff that leave SOE? Apparently so that they don't share what goes on behind closed door there. If the truth isn't threatening, why legally compel everyone to keep their lips sealed?
No, trying to share truth with SOE and its defenders at this point is beyond futile. I'm afraid, they won't learn until they really hit rock bottom, or get rid of Smed, whichever comes first.
your going after old history here yet your talking about the present day TCG what is your problem with the tcg or swg? or sony? your talking about past expansions and beastmasters being hurt (was gone by then by the way) broken group waypoints and other things?
I also dont understand what you want from players? we read as much as we can, but although this may come as a shock we dont camp forums even me. YOu want us to ackknowledge what happened in the past or the present? your post was about the TCG problems now all of a sudden we are talking about 3 year old issues. People said their piece on that and I have after 3 years no intention of talking about it yet again. Its over done with some people got refunds others did not. In my case i needed no refund as I had said about 1 year ago on this very forum because I had not the trust in sony to preorder due to the condition of the game in general before any of this hit lol. I myself left at the first sign of trouble and it was not the NGE it was the CU I left 1 week before because there was to much going on at the time. Its over now and things are in fact going forward. It will never be the old game (god I have no idea why people feel a need to hear this over and over again) because that game is gone. What there seems to be is a constant need to acknowledge the past. The past ended some people got angry some people still live in it, others moved on some of us drop by from time to time to get a dose of this insanity and run away again when we hit full. Even criminals get a clean slate when they do their time. Sony has done its time and its over more or less. I dont know what else you want out of them ? A new game is on the horizon that everyone says is going to replace SWG (probably not for me but that's a personal choice as it looks like wow only with light sabers). Do you want to end this companies existance? If so it should be obvious now that no one here not even "distruntled angry vets" who come here every day for the last 3 years are not going to help you on that. Present day players are happy with what they have or they would not be playing. So I guess there isn't much else that can be said.
so here even though im not sure right now just to ease whatever frustration you have "the podracer is the fastest car in the game". (I still dont want one lol)
Your post however reflects your still having issues over old problems but are making post after post over the TCG?
Also we are having a server merge so I"m lost there. You want something from present day players they simply aren't willing to give you I guess.
Here is something else which can be acknowledge as of now. The waypoint issues existed at game launch. If they haven't been fixed in 5 years they will never ever be fixed. Also I still see people nekid from time to time lol that's a bug that is as old as the game.
Not much else that can be said the stuff exists is never going to be repaired and everyone has experienced them 100% guaranteed.
Is there some reason that everyone has to spell every single thing wrong with the game? Besides I thought the present problem was the TCG. I have no interest in talking about 5 year old bugs or anything else that is now 5 years old or no longer a part of the game. There is only so many times these issues can be addresed before people start turning off because they are tired of talking about it over and over again. Its like everyone must asbolutely every moment of the day dwell on the negative aspects of this game and be misearable or something. If this was some other more serious real world event like say loss of a family member if I was saying the same thing over and over again for 3 years straight my kids would have put me in the looney bin and my husband probably demanded I go seek help.
Your present string of posts though are not about these bugs or issues they are about the TCG and whether its legal, but this post reflects your actualy referring to other things as well or they would not be a part of this post.
Actually this thread isn't about the TCG...(checks to make sure) lol, nope it's not.
The post of mine that you've quoted is a response to a comment that I don't have a history of sharing factual information, just opinions of questionable validity. I decided to share a very brief history of the factual information that I've shared on these boards. Maybe that puts things in perspective
.
As for what I want from current SWG players? Nothing really. I wouldn't lump all current players into this thread at all. My comments refer to a small group of avid SOE defenders that can't seem to be honest in our discussions.
My point is that sharing truth with people to whom the truth is threatening, is apparently a futile endeavor. That's what the post is about. I was sharing a personal insight
As I read most of the responses from the people I had in mind, I'm only further convinced.
If you really enjoy something you dont notice flaws. This is how humans work. There is a group around that call this game a "crap game" but play it anyhow. I have always wondered why anyone would voluntarily pay for crap. So there are only a few actual players around here lol those who say "yeah I play this game but its a crap game" are not playing it.
I am playing and enjoying this game and despite what others feel I think its an excellent game. Trust in a company? I have not been able to trust companies for a long long time sony is a company I encountered after I became jaded which is why I"m hard to rip off. I enjoy their game though and so I play it making sure I avoid any situations which might be dangerous. Unfortunately I have had similar or worse experiences with other companies. So in the end you have to basically play the game and take the risks or avoid them.
You wont find me discussing negative aspects on this game I enjoy on a regular basis for the sole reason that Im here out of interest for the fun parts of the game. I dont see why as a player my roll on this forum must be to continually bash something. I play other games and leave them and I have played some very very bad games and even been a part of the dark and light debacle (i lost 5 bucks when they tried to bill us at one point even though we had left). I see no purpose in continuously complaining. Some people do enjoy it I guess and I guess that is why this forum is more popular then the rest.
Most of the time though I pass by here and shake my head when I see that the forum hasn't moved forward one inch from 6 months ago. Same threads, same issues same conversations. I posted now because for me anyhow TCG is new so its something new to chew on, but I"m about done with that as my frustration level rises and people start to ask me the same question now over and over (like they want to hear a different answer almost my mother does that when she wants me to change my mind about something and it drives me batty). So already I have had my fill almost of this place as I have taken part in the same identical discussion (yet again) and nothing has moved an inch. Heck we even have "the messiah guy" I call him who pops into every thread and says the same 3 sentances over and over again. quite literally for me anyhow I can now predict what will happen next in most cases and who is going to say what.
The only thing I have noticed is that the flames are not as bad as the last time I was here.
Reality says though for the most part that if someone really enjoys something a lot they wont be talking negatively about it only positivly about it. Otherwise they would not like it and that goes for anything.
Usually i love these lively discussions but as i sit here reading, i decided it's just not worth it lol. By all means keep on talking about this i'm not saying not too, just it's pointless at this well point.
People just do what makes you happy, if the game makes you happy play it, that's all that's important. If you need to fight for whatever you need to fight for and that makes you happy go for it.
I'm gonna do as i please, and nobody will decide anything for me.
just my opinion by the way, but as a gamer i have been screwed over by companies for years and years, blizzard, EA, lots of others, they are always changing things, they are always having bad customer service, they are always doing something stupid. My first MMO was Saga of Ryzom, the i loved the combat in that game and then one day the devs totally changed it and nearly ruined the game for me, could i have quit, yes...but i decided to adapt to the changes because other then that the game was enjoyable to me.
It sucks companies do stupid things, but if i personally boycotted every company that did something wrong i would be living out in the woods somewhere hiding from society in general, because in some way or another somebody or some company is always gonna screw you over.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
You see, when I accuse the "vets" of lying, this is what I'm talking about.
The one-year sub option didn't go anywhere. It's still there. I just resubbed an account last week and sure enough, the one-year option was right there in front of me.
Second time in this thread you've said it. it was bullshit the first time and it's still bullshit.
Slag on SWG all you want. Just don't lie to do it.
Of all the people that must understand what I'm saying here, I'm sure you're one of them Kobie lol
It's hard to have a discussion when people won't admit that their information was wrong (not a lie in everycase, sometimes just an error that I've made myself). It's even harder to have a conversation with someone that knows the truth but says something misleading anyways. You just can't talk to people like that, so I've decided to focus my attention elsewhere 
Now if I really put my money where my mouth is, I'll stop posting in this thread lol...Me and my higher power.
P.S. since you're in this discussion now, I almost fell out of my chair when someone said that everyone knows you're really wildcat; damn that was the funniest thing I think I've ever read on these boards.