The title does say it all but I bet it felt good to write the rest of the post.
The answer is from any sane perspective that the game is simply not that good.Though we could be wrong but I think the lack of information is the real reason why this game is not any good. It is a smokescreen. IT feels like VG to a certain degree.
The bst thing about DF right now is the experiment in seenig how far we can all be pushed by the joke that is DF. 22nd is going to be HELL !
You can't make sense in these forums, are you nuts? Why even try!
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Seriously. Think people... BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! ....Hmmm. Just a random thought.
....proof that results of "thinking" varies from one person to the next. And yes, it was very random.
Just kidding. I don't know what the hell you're talking about because I don't care about this game.
Seriously. Think people... BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! ....Hmmm. Just a random thought.
....proof that results of "thinking" varies from one person to the next. And yes, it was very random.
Just kidding. I don't know what the hell you're talking about because I don't care about this game.
Ascension08 : all the games you defend suck.
I know, they're all way better vacuum cleaners than Darkfall. But the OP's post has "logic" and "reality" in it so it's like poison to the fanbois.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Seriously. Think people. You answer your front door and see a goofy looking sales guy yapping on and on at you as soon as you open the door about his new "DF2010" model Vacuum cleaner and how great it works. You allow the guy (Tasos) to come inside and keep telling you endless promises about how this is the best and greatest vacuum cleaner ever made (Darkfall vs other mmos). I know theres better vacuum cleaners down at the local store at 1/5 the price that do the same so i wouldnt bother, sadly there are no such games competing with DF Yet when it comes time for him to actually show you how well it works, so you can see it, he tells you that the vacuum cleaner is actually at a friends house, but he has some photos of it you can see (Screenshots we've all seen a billion times). He tells you he can get you a video of this vacuum cleaner in action "soon", but doesn't show up for 3 months and finally shows you a video of the vacuum cleaner at work. The vacuum cleaner looks "okay" in this video that is obviously over edited and also obviously only showing the best of what it can do (you get the feeling that they aren't showing you the vacuum cleaner spitting the dirt back out after sucking it up for example). This is very true, its like this for every copany trying to sell anything, theyll show the good parts... Its a unfair world where living in.. He shows you accounts of customers who have tried this vacuum cleaner themselves, but these reviews are written unprofessionally and in crayon and marks-a-lot and they are written from no big vacuum reviewer companies or websites, but instead from a handful of people and organizations which you have never even heard of before. The difference is i have heard of thenoobcomic several years before they started on the DF review, its a very popular onlince webcomic thats running gags on Lineage2s bots and grind, EQ,EQ2 and later also WoW. The italian site i knew existed but im not italian so go figure.. He tells you that you'll be able to test and buy your own vacuum cleaner with a feature list a mile long that makes even a Dyson vacuum cleaner look like crap in comparison. He tells you it will be ready by the end of 2008 in September. But 2008 ends and then he tells you that it will be ready by Jan 22. However he leaves you not even the slightest clue how you will get it, buy it, or how it will be available for you to test as he promised you'd be able to do before your purchase. DF will be avalible throu Torrent technology downloading, form the official forums. There might be more ways we havent heard of yet, this is the method open beta will be released as atleast, and the release will have torrent as an option to getting the game. The pricing will be abit lower then the mmo standard. Believe it or not, we have recieved information on it. Never heard of vacuum cleaner except by a few random fans across the country on a few random websites who have also never used or seen the vacuum cleaner in person. They actually believe the promises such as "This vacuum cleaner will run on 2 AA batteries for 3 months turned on all that time and still be able to suck 10x more then a Dyson vacuum". Anyone who even tries to explain to these fans that such a vacuum cleaner would be impossible to create are instantly labeled "trolls" and called horrific names on the vacuum forums by the fans. There is also a shitloads of people who knows that it is to good to be true, but believes the product might be very good anyway, if you only lissen to the few hardcore-tasos-worshippers, your doing something wrong. Its like the neutrals and normal supporters have to sort out all the hardcore trolls on a daily basis, its an open forum... youll get all sorts of ppl. 10 days before you're supposed to be able to be able to buy the vacuum cleaner, you still have not heard a word from that mighty sales guy about when, how, or where you'll be able to test this vacuum cleaner out. You post a statement that you "are confused about the lack of information so close to the release and promised date of being able to own the wonder of all vacuums and are instantly labeled a huge troll for even doubting a little. These fans give you zero information, but a few give you links to the old photos of the vacuum you've seen months ago as to somehow "prove" to you that this vacuum is the real deal. To your ration that you have doubts because of X, Y and Z... you are cast down as a big time troll. Luckely we have heard again from the all mighty tasos that the game is on sheduel for 22 Jan, that open beta is still ON and where we can expect to download and what we can expect to pay. Im not calling you a troll, im just trying to make sure you got the information you seem to be missing. If you only read the replies from the HardCore Fanbois and choose to only reply to them, then that would infact pretty much make you a troll even if you didnt mean to
Hmmm. Just a random thought.
Hope i helped you to shed some light on your questions.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
The answer is from any sane perspective that the game is simply not that good.Though we could be wrong but I think the lack of information is the real reason why this game is not any good. It is a smokescreen. IT feels like VG to a certain degree.
Except that two weeks before it launched, Vanguard was already in public beta, and people had some information to work with when deciding on whether or not to buy it. Heck, the VG forum here was filled to the brim with people talking about their beta experiences, with lots of debate about the imminent launch of the game and whether or not it was ready for prime time.
Darkfall is 11 days f rom its supposed release, and there is nothing out there for potential players except a few screenshots and videos, and some "beta reviews" written by people connected to Aventurine to go on. That's far, far less than Vanguard at the same stage of its development.
The answer is from any sane perspective that the game is simply not that good.Though we could be wrong but I think the lack of information is the real reason why this game is not any good. It is a smokescreen. IT feels like VG to a certain degree.
Except that two weeks before it launched, Vanguard was already in public beta, and people had some information to work with when deciding on whether or not to buy it. Heck, the VG forum here was filled to the brim with people talking about their beta experiences, with lots of debate about the imminent launch of the game and whether or not it was ready for prime time.
Darkfall is 11 days f rom its supposed release, and there is nothing out there for potential players except a few screenshots and videos, and some "beta reviews" written by people connected to Aventurine to go on. That's far, far less than Vanguard at the same stage of its development.
Ugh...nice comparison. Doesn't Sony have deep pockets for Vanguard? And have we forgotten how big a Dev. like Aventurine is? Again... nice comparison
Ugh...nice comparison. Doesn't Sony have deep pockets for Vanguard? They do? Last I checked, Vanguard is running on Station Pass life support with a very small dev team working on it. There is no marketing of VG anywhere, and SOE has never put in a major investment into VG since buying it two years ago. Also, if you can find a retail box of Vanguard in stores, you're lucky. I don't think SOE even makes VG boxes anymore.
I've heard that Vanguard has improved a great deal from its horrific launch, but without a whole lot of resources going its way, VG will stay a small niche title rather than the much bigger game it could have been. And have we forgotten how big a Dev. like Aventurine is? Honestly? The DF team is probably larger than the current VG dev team. Everything I've read about Vanguard recently points to a team of less than 20 folks working on the game, which is why it takes so long for new content to reach players. Again... nice comparison I'm not comparing the two games themselves, but rather where each game was two weeks before release.
The answer is from any sane perspective that the game is simply not that good.Though we could be wrong but I think the lack of information is the real reason why this game is not any good. It is a smokescreen. IT feels like VG to a certain degree.
Except that two weeks before it launched, Vanguard was already in public beta, and people had some information to work with when deciding on whether or not to buy it. Heck, the VG forum here was filled to the brim with people talking about their beta experiences, with lots of debate about the imminent launch of the game and whether or not it was ready for prime time.
Darkfall is 11 days f rom its supposed release, and there is nothing out there for potential players except a few screenshots and videos, and some "beta reviews" written by people connected to Aventurine to go on. That's far, far less than Vanguard at the same stage of its development.
Ugh...nice comparison. Doesn't Sony have deep pockets for Vanguard? And have we forgotten how big a Dev. like Aventurine is? Again... nice comparison
One could argue thou that putting up a new vid or something isnt really pocket emtying... or like updating there website with a release date with big flasing signs (or making sure the website was ready when the announcement was made).
Its understandable that people are wondering whats going on, thing is Aventurine knows how it looks, and still dont give a rats ass. They are hell bent on not spoiling the game for the players. I would also argue that aventurine has learned a good lesson from the last years releases, and that is massive hype only gives lag on release then empty servers. I assume they feel they already have enough hype for there release, and dont wanna spend dumb money on making more.
The ONLY reason why i feel thats whats going on is that if they where trying to scam money of us like DnL and AoC to some extent - they would have pre orders.... scamming without preorders is just stupid really... They have even said that ANY preorders any company is giving on DF is NOT supported.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Ugh...nice comparison. Doesn't Sony have deep pockets for Vanguard? They do? Last I checked, Vanguard is running on Station Pass life support with a very small dev team working on it. There is no marketing of VG anywhere, and SOE has never put in a major investment into VG since buying it two years ago.
I've heard that it has improved a great deal from its horrific launch, but without a whole lot of resources going its way, VG will stay a small niche title rather than the much bigger game it could have been. And have we forgotten how big a Dev. like Aventurine is? Honestly? The DF team is probably larger than the current VG dev team. Everything I've read about Vanguard recently points to a team of less than 20 folks working on the game, which is why it takes so long for new content to reach players. Again... nice comparison I'm not comparing the two games themselves, but rather where each game was two weeks before release.
Honestly you want to make a comparison where the 2 games was 2 weeks before release, and then goes on and compare Aventurines staff now to VGs staff now? VG is far from 2 weeks before release now.
Hidden1 was probably hinting that VG had bigger staff and cash at its development stage.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Hidden1 was probably hinting that VG had bigger staff and cash at its development stage.
And we saw how well that went. Within six months of VG releasing, over half of that large staff was fired in the Sigil parking lot when SOE bought the company, and they've seen many staff cuts since then. Now they're a barebones team whose game is on life support, and which does not see lots of funding or effort by SOE at all.
A large staff and deep pockets doesn't guarantee a good game. Look at both Age of Conan and Vanguard at launch. Smaller games CAN succeed, as EVE proves. The point is, two weeks before launch, most games have a lot more information out there for potential players than just some screenshots and videos and beta reviews written by folks connected to the devs.
Seriously. Think people. You answer your front door and see a goofy looking sales guy yapping on and on at you as soon as you open the door about his new "DF2010" model Vacuum cleaner and how great it works. You allow the guy (Tasos) to come inside and keep telling you endless promises about how this is the best and greatest vacuum cleaner ever made (Darkfall vs other mmos). Yet when it comes time for him to actually show you how well it works, so you can see it, he tells you that the vacuum cleaner is actually at a friends house, but he has some photos of it you can see (Screenshots we've all seen a billion times). He tells you he can get you a video of this vacuum cleaner in action "soon", but doesn't show up for 3 months and finally shows you a video of the vacuum cleaner at work. The vacuum cleaner looks "okay" in this video that is obviously over edited and also obviously only showing the best of what it can do (you get the feeling that they aren't showing you the vacuum cleaner spitting the dirt back out after sucking it up for example). He shows you accounts of customers who have tried this vacuum cleaner themselves, but these reviews are written unprofessionally and in crayon and marks-a-lot and they are written from no big vacuum reviewer companies or websites, but instead from a handful of people and organizations which you have never even heard of before. He tells you that you'll be able to test and buy your own vacuum cleaner with a feature list a mile long that makes even a Dyson vacuum cleaner look like crap in comparison. He tells you it will be ready by the end of 2008 in September. But 2008 ends and then he tells you that it will be ready by Jan 22. However he leaves you not even the slightest clue how you will get it, buy it, or how it will be available for you to test as he promised you'd be able to do before your purchase. Never heard of vacuum cleaner except by a few random fans across the country on a few random websites who have also never used or seen the vacuum cleaner in person. They actually believe the promises such as "This vacuum cleaner will run on 2 AA batteries for 3 months turned on all that time and still be able to suck 10x more then a Dyson vacuum". Anyone who even tries to explain to these fans that such a vacuum cleaner would be impossible to create are instantly labeled "trolls" and called horrific names on the vacuum forums by the fans. 10 days before you're supposed to be able to be able to buy the vacuum cleaner, you still have not heard a word from that mighty sales guy about when, how, or where you'll be able to test this vacuum cleaner out. You post a statement that you "are confused about the lack of information so close to the release and promised date of being able to own the wonder of all vacuums and are instantly labeled a huge troll for even doubting a little. These fans give you zero information, but a few give you links to the old photos of the vacuum you've seen months ago as to somehow "prove" to you that this vacuum is the real deal. To your ration that you have doubts because of X, Y and Z... you are cast down as a big time troll.
Hmmm. Just a random thought.
This may be the biggest waste of internet space ever.....
And your thread title was to short and non descriptive..
Originally posted by Lidane The point is, two weeks before launch, most games have a lot more information out there for potential players than just some screenshots and videos and beta reviews written by folks connected to the devs.
And did it result in us getting a good game? Nope.
I'm going to try DFO, since I didn't like WAR plus I think it will be a great game for people like me who love exploring. To be honest I would like to see all these people, who speculate and they are generally negative towards DFO, about PR, custumer support and many many other things, what will say after release if the game is almost complete with about 80% of its feature enabled.
I'm not a fanboy, I'm just gonna try it, but a week ago many did'nt believe that the release will be 22th, now they don't believe that another aspect of the game is complete, every day we have another speculation that something won't be ready. I understand that since we have no regular news from dev's we don't know many things but why the hell don't you wait till the release and then say whatever you want, is that hard? The forum starts to be full of speculations and negative posts when our only source is fewwwww leaks.
There are people who don't like a game and that's cool, although I'm sure IF the game has best release a MMO has ever had, they will start whining about other things like bugs, features ect. Give me a break!
And did it result in us getting a good game? Nope.
That depends on the game, and in what your expectations are for it.
However, does hiding all sorts of basic information from your players two weeks before launch inspire confidence? Nope. It just suggests that something isn't right, or that the devs have something to hide.
The forum starts to be full of speculations and negative posts when our only source is fewwwww leaks.
Which is precisely the problem. There's so little information to go on so close to release that people can't help but speculate, or wonder what the hell the devs are thinking.
Look-- I'm not negative against Darkfall. In fact, I'd like to see it come out, not because I have any intention of playing it (FFA PvP with full loot isn't my scene), but because I think the MMO genre is large enough to support a wide variety of games, and that more choices for players is a GOOD thing. In spirit, I like the idea of DF because it caters to a small segment of the gaming population that is generally ignored in MMO's. However, Aventurine don't inspire any confidence about DF when they're withholding so much basic information so close to their purported release date.
The game itself isn't a problem. It's the dev team and their deliberate lack of real information for potential players so close to an announced release date that bothers me.
Originally posted by Lidane That depends on the game, and in what your expectations are for it. However, does hiding all sorts of basic information from your players two weeks before launch inspire confidence? Nope. It just suggests that something isn't right, or that the devs have something to hide.
So what do you want a peep hole open beta like WAR or AoC so they can show us the bits they want and scam a lot people? The first you will hear about how the game plays is real player reports playing the full game, which is more trustworthy?
It sounds like you want them to give us a rose tinted view of their game.
Originally posted by Lidane That depends on the game, and in what your expectations are for it. However, does hiding all sorts of basic information from your players two weeks before launch inspire confidence? Nope. It just suggests that something isn't right, or that the devs have something to hide.
So what do you want a peep hole open beta like WAR or AoC so they can show us the bits they want and scam a lot people? The first you will hear about how the game plays is real player reports playing the full game, which is more trustworthy?
It sounds like you want them to give us a rose tinted view of their game.
Which is better? Leak the better parts of your game while keeping the subpar elements under wraps, or make wild promises on forums and in interviews and show nothing at all?
WAR didn't scam anything people in the beta played the game like it was meant to be played now most come in and play it like WoW which leads to the major flaw which they are currently fixing
Keeping that door shut so tight is the best thing they could do.
It must be bugging the crap out of those that want a written book of every little thing that has been accomplished in the progress of the game and up to minute reports on who went to the bathroom last.
I love this type of secrecy, To me not knowing is so much more fun. BUT like those that are Bitching about not know are the ones that only want to see the END GAME anyway.
So what do you want a peep hole open beta like WAR or AoC so they can show us the bits they want and scam a lot people? The first you will hear about how the game plays is real player reports playing the full game, which is more trustworthy?
What's trustworthy is an open beta with a lifted NDA two weeks before a game is released. What's trustworthy is allowing real media scrutiny of a product rather than just what the devs want you to know.
Regarding the two games you mention, AoC and WAR-- I will admit I got suckered by AoC. I played in beta and liked it enough to pay money for it on launch. Hell, my boyfriend even bought the Collector's Edition because he's a huge fan of the Conan books and comics. We both quit within two weeks of the launch because while Tortage was interesting, the game fell apart once you left the island.
WAR, on the other hand, was a pleasant surprise. I went in expecting to hate the game since I've never been much of a PvP player and I know zilch about the Warhammer world at all, but to my surprise I ended up liking the game a great deal. I still have an active sub for it, in fact. Is it perfect? Nope. It has glaring issues that need work, but on balance, the issues are minor compared to the fun I'm having with my friends as we play. Plus, I enjoy the RvR and PvP aspects, even if I'm not the best at either one.
Originally posted by Vetarnias Which is better? Leak the better parts of your game while keeping the subpar elements under wraps, or make wild promises on forums and in interviews and show nothing at all?
I don't think they have made wild promises, I think people read things in interviews and then blow it out of proportion. Especially with features, they don't think how it's going to be implemented in terms of games currently on the market or from the past. I would say that keeping subpar parts was far worse especially when it's the end game or later levels where the majority of player experience will take place, such as war and aoc did.
Originally posted by Lidane What's trustworthy is an open beta with a lifted NDA two weeks before a game is released. What's trustworthy is allowing real media scrutiny of a product rather than just what the devs want you to know.
Thats fine if what you get is representative of the overall experience when you buy the game, but as countless games have proved before it isn't. Look at the amount of people disappointed with games that did this and wishing that they had never spent their money on them. Most people who buy this game will be listening to an actual real player who is playing the real game when they read their first report, if those players are on a free trial then they won't even have paid anything.
Compare that to "open beta" which is free as long as you have already preorderd the game, makes no sense.
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The title does say it all but I bet it felt good to write the rest of the post.
The answer is from any sane perspective that the game is simply not that good.Though we could be wrong but I think the lack of information is the real reason why this game is not any good. It is a smokescreen. IT feels like VG to a certain degree.
The bst thing about DF right now is the experiment in seenig how far we can all be pushed by the joke that is DF. 22nd is going to be HELL !
They wont....
You can't make sense in these forums, are you nuts? Why even try!
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
....proof that results of "thinking" varies from one person to the next. And yes, it was very random.
Just kidding. I don't know what the hell you're talking about because I don't care about this game.
Ascension08 : all the games you defend suck.
....proof that results of "thinking" varies from one person to the next. And yes, it was very random.
Just kidding. I don't know what the hell you're talking about because I don't care about this game.
Ascension08 : all the games you defend suck.
I know, they're all way better vacuum cleaners than Darkfall. But the OP's post has "logic" and "reality" in it so it's like poison to the fanbois.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Hope i helped you to shed some light on your questions.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Except that two weeks before it launched, Vanguard was already in public beta, and people had some information to work with when deciding on whether or not to buy it. Heck, the VG forum here was filled to the brim with people talking about their beta experiences, with lots of debate about the imminent launch of the game and whether or not it was ready for prime time.
Darkfall is 11 days f rom its supposed release, and there is nothing out there for potential players except a few screenshots and videos, and some "beta reviews" written by people connected to Aventurine to go on. That's far, far less than Vanguard at the same stage of its development.
Except that two weeks before it launched, Vanguard was already in public beta, and people had some information to work with when deciding on whether or not to buy it. Heck, the VG forum here was filled to the brim with people talking about their beta experiences, with lots of debate about the imminent launch of the game and whether or not it was ready for prime time.
Darkfall is 11 days f rom its supposed release, and there is nothing out there for potential players except a few screenshots and videos, and some "beta reviews" written by people connected to Aventurine to go on. That's far, far less than Vanguard at the same stage of its development.
Ugh...nice comparison. Doesn't Sony have deep pockets for Vanguard? And have we forgotten how big a Dev. like Aventurine is? Again... nice comparison
Except that two weeks before it launched, Vanguard was already in public beta, and people had some information to work with when deciding on whether or not to buy it. Heck, the VG forum here was filled to the brim with people talking about their beta experiences, with lots of debate about the imminent launch of the game and whether or not it was ready for prime time.
Darkfall is 11 days f rom its supposed release, and there is nothing out there for potential players except a few screenshots and videos, and some "beta reviews" written by people connected to Aventurine to go on. That's far, far less than Vanguard at the same stage of its development.
Ugh...nice comparison. Doesn't Sony have deep pockets for Vanguard? And have we forgotten how big a Dev. like Aventurine is? Again... nice comparison
One could argue thou that putting up a new vid or something isnt really pocket emtying... or like updating there website with a release date with big flasing signs (or making sure the website was ready when the announcement was made).
Its understandable that people are wondering whats going on, thing is Aventurine knows how it looks, and still dont give a rats ass. They are hell bent on not spoiling the game for the players. I would also argue that aventurine has learned a good lesson from the last years releases, and that is massive hype only gives lag on release then empty servers. I assume they feel they already have enough hype for there release, and dont wanna spend dumb money on making more.
The ONLY reason why i feel thats whats going on is that if they where trying to scam money of us like DnL and AoC to some extent - they would have pre orders.... scamming without preorders is just stupid really... They have even said that ANY preorders any company is giving on DF is NOT supported.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
Honestly you want to make a comparison where the 2 games was 2 weeks before release, and then goes on and compare Aventurines staff now to VGs staff now? VG is far from 2 weeks before release now.
Hidden1 was probably hinting that VG had bigger staff and cash at its development stage.
FagerCraft - Feeding the trolls on mmorpg.com since 2005.
And we saw how well that went. Within six months of VG releasing, over half of that large staff was fired in the Sigil parking lot when SOE bought the company, and they've seen many staff cuts since then. Now they're a barebones team whose game is on life support, and which does not see lots of funding or effort by SOE at all.
A large staff and deep pockets doesn't guarantee a good game. Look at both Age of Conan and Vanguard at launch. Smaller games CAN succeed, as EVE proves. The point is, two weeks before launch, most games have a lot more information out there for potential players than just some screenshots and videos and beta reviews written by folks connected to the devs.
This may be the biggest waste of internet space ever.....
And your thread title was to short and non descriptive..
And did it result in us getting a good game? Nope.
www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Stradden/042008/1570_Betas-Dev-vs-Dev-and-More
I'm going to try DFO, since I didn't like WAR plus I think it will be a great game for people like me who love exploring. To be honest I would like to see all these people, who speculate and they are generally negative towards DFO, about PR, custumer support and many many other things, what will say after release if the game is almost complete with about 80% of its feature enabled.
I'm not a fanboy, I'm just gonna try it, but a week ago many did'nt believe that the release will be 22th, now they don't believe that another aspect of the game is complete, every day we have another speculation that something won't be ready. I understand that since we have no regular news from dev's we don't know many things but why the hell don't you wait till the release and then say whatever you want, is that hard? The forum starts to be full of speculations and negative posts when our only source is fewwwww leaks.
There are people who don't like a game and that's cool, although I'm sure IF the game has best release a MMO has ever had, they will start whining about other things like bugs, features ect. Give me a break!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Greece)
That depends on the game, and in what your expectations are for it.
However, does hiding all sorts of basic information from your players two weeks before launch inspire confidence? Nope. It just suggests that something isn't right, or that the devs have something to hide.
Which is precisely the problem. There's so little information to go on so close to release that people can't help but speculate, or wonder what the hell the devs are thinking.
Look-- I'm not negative against Darkfall. In fact, I'd like to see it come out, not because I have any intention of playing it (FFA PvP with full loot isn't my scene), but because I think the MMO genre is large enough to support a wide variety of games, and that more choices for players is a GOOD thing. In spirit, I like the idea of DF because it caters to a small segment of the gaming population that is generally ignored in MMO's. However, Aventurine don't inspire any confidence about DF when they're withholding so much basic information so close to their purported release date.
The game itself isn't a problem. It's the dev team and their deliberate lack of real information for potential players so close to an announced release date that bothers me.
So what do you want a peep hole open beta like WAR or AoC so they can show us the bits they want and scam a lot people? The first you will hear about how the game plays is real player reports playing the full game, which is more trustworthy?
It sounds like you want them to give us a rose tinted view of their game.
So what do you want a peep hole open beta like WAR or AoC so they can show us the bits they want and scam a lot people? The first you will hear about how the game plays is real player reports playing the full game, which is more trustworthy?
It sounds like you want them to give us a rose tinted view of their game.
Which is better? Leak the better parts of your game while keeping the subpar elements under wraps, or make wild promises on forums and in interviews and show nothing at all?
WAR didn't scam anything people in the beta played the game like it was meant to be played now most come in and play it like WoW which leads to the major flaw which they are currently fixing
Now that was funny.
No sense even thinking about it. We will all see very soon.
IMHO:
Keeping that door shut so tight is the best thing they could do.
It must be bugging the crap out of those that want a written book of every little thing that has been accomplished in the progress of the game and up to minute reports on who went to the bathroom last.
I love this type of secrecy, To me not knowing is so much more fun. BUT like those that are Bitching about not know are the ones that only want to see the END GAME anyway.
What's trustworthy is an open beta with a lifted NDA two weeks before a game is released. What's trustworthy is allowing real media scrutiny of a product rather than just what the devs want you to know.
Regarding the two games you mention, AoC and WAR-- I will admit I got suckered by AoC. I played in beta and liked it enough to pay money for it on launch. Hell, my boyfriend even bought the Collector's Edition because he's a huge fan of the Conan books and comics. We both quit within two weeks of the launch because while Tortage was interesting, the game fell apart once you left the island.
WAR, on the other hand, was a pleasant surprise. I went in expecting to hate the game since I've never been much of a PvP player and I know zilch about the Warhammer world at all, but to my surprise I ended up liking the game a great deal. I still have an active sub for it, in fact. Is it perfect? Nope. It has glaring issues that need work, but on balance, the issues are minor compared to the fun I'm having with my friends as we play. Plus, I enjoy the RvR and PvP aspects, even if I'm not the best at either one.
I don't think they have made wild promises, I think people read things in interviews and then blow it out of proportion. Especially with features, they don't think how it's going to be implemented in terms of games currently on the market or from the past. I would say that keeping subpar parts was far worse especially when it's the end game or later levels where the majority of player experience will take place, such as war and aoc did.
Thats fine if what you get is representative of the overall experience when you buy the game, but as countless games have proved before it isn't. Look at the amount of people disappointed with games that did this and wishing that they had never spent their money on them. Most people who buy this game will be listening to an actual real player who is playing the real game when they read their first report, if those players are on a free trial then they won't even have paid anything.
Compare that to "open beta" which is free as long as you have already preorderd the game, makes no sense.