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Everything I've typed in this thread is truth.
Not terrible, just boring. Took a month , bored
CTF, CTF, another CTF than a BG
lock unlock lock unlock.
CS + CTF
I was never hyped/excited about it at all - mostly because it really looked like another WoW to me and I hate the art style so much I just know I couldn't sit there and look at the game for hours...
So, not speaking from personal experience, all my friends who were playing AOC tried it and every single one of them thought it was a joke. None of them stayed with it and now they're all back in AoC. Me? I'm in MMO Limbo
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
The problem is companies may say they want to focus a game around pvp, but in the end they end up developing a game that requires pve goals to be successful. Example: PQ's to lock down zones regardless of the contribution of them now, it still was a factor when it shouldn't have been. PVE instances should not affect RvR, they should be a temporary escape from it. Beauty of DaoC's design lost on this game.
I am still a wholehearted believer that many class issues are purposely left in games because they know how many accounts/players will be attracted to the easiest most powerful class. It's nothing more than a huge carrot to dangle in front of you until they "rebalance" after you've invested 2-3 months.
And I still disagree with you about players who love to pvp. We like to play against other people. The odds will be in our favor sometimes and sometimes they won't. We may pick on a lowbie so he'll call for a higher level player/group to save him because we're itching for a good fight. It's a way to send a message across zones without other forms of communication. Killing a lowbie once or twice isn't griefing. Killing him a dozen times or all his spawns is.
Lol @ the Troll
I know I shoudlnt but I'll feed the Troll anyway
I quit WAR because there was not enough RVR, it was still there however.
But nowadays, because of the boosts to RVR, RVR areas are packed, lots of RVR going on, they had to cap the Fortresses because there were just too many people RVR'ing ...
And no I am not a fanboi, cause I am playing EVE online atm, but I know this from the RL friends that are still playing and having a blast now.
WAR IS the best mmorpg of 2008 with hardly any competition, they just made a couple of wrong turns in the beginning, and are slowly getting on the right track concerning RVR.
However I do agree it lacks the RVR freedom of DAoC and can not compete with the epicness of DAoC SI - era, ( 1 example is the 1 hour timer limit of taking the Fortresses )
I hope that someday, WAR will reach the epicness of DAoC, meanwhile I am having a blast in EVE Online
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Okay, many camps heard from.
This basicly boils down to opinion. IMHO this /that/ other.
No one is wrong, everyone is right from their point of view. However, there is a certain level of venom that shoots back and forth when people disagree. It should be ok for someone to have an opinion that is in opposition to yours without it always making them the worst human being on Earth.
WAR seems to get a lot of hate. I honestly do not understand it. I played WOW to 70 on multiple characters. It was fun. But once I got tired of grinding faction and doing dailies and always having to get the next best batch of gear I cancelled my account. Because the fun was no longer there.
Now I did not want to play WAR. A friend got it and I put him off telling him I didn't want to have to upgrade my computer (which would play WOW but not WAR) and advised him I had picked up 4 great older games for the PC that I was going to play instead. (FABLE, The WITCHER, KOTR2, NWN2).
He kept at it because he wanted someone to group with. He was having fun and figured I would have fun too. So I got the game and tried it out. After an hour of playing I was frustrated as hell. My PC just would not play the game. I spent the next half hour cursing my friend. Because I now had to go buy a new PC to get the game to play right.
Yep, it was that much fun. So I put out $550 bucks to cobble together a pretty nice gaming pc. And now I have multiple characters on servers. Some on Praag (orig poster if you put your name on I will either try to get you involved in more PvP by grouping with you if you are order or killing you if you are destro, lol)
I have had a lot of fun playing WAR. I play PVE, I play scenarios, I play open RVR. They have really stepped up with the recent patch how much open RVR is going on and the rewards that you can pick up for a short amount of time fighting can be exceptional. If you are not getting enough RVR on WAR the only thing I can think of is that you are playing at the wrong times. Time zones matter. Picking a server that is dead when you are playing (IE during the day perhaps?) is a bad idea. For me Praag works because at night when I play it is a bloodbath and on my days off (during the week) I can get a lot of PVE done.
To each their own. However I would suggest to anyone who liked WOW to try WAR. If you like PVE it is great. If you like PVP it is also great. The game is just a lot of fun, if you let it be fun.
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Player of EQ, DAOC, SWG, EVE, COH/COV, WOW & WAR.
I think the problem is, that a lot of todays PvPers would rather grind loot and/or levels than actually PVP... The avenues for RvR are there, but, if they can get they're epix faster by not pvping....
epix>pvp for some
Sorry the OP is on drugs or is lying.
There are 4 Tiers in Warhammer, each tier encompases basically 10 levels of advancement. There are two Realms, Order vs Destruction. I have leveled 5 Order characters though level 22 ONLY playing Open Realm vs Realm (PvP). I don't play scenarios, I play Open War against Destruction Players. I play several hours a day and I have NEVER not been involved in war with other players. So I don't know what they OP is talking about.
In RvR the targets (Battle Field Objectives and Keeps) have PVE characters initially protecting them. That is so you just can't walk in and claim a keep without any combat. Expecially with keeps, because it takes a few minutes to kill the PVE characters, by the time you are inside they are almost always defended by actual players and believe me the (PvP) can be intense.
If he is complaining that the keeps are initially defended by PvE characters and so it is actually a PvE game you could say the same about Keep Doors or walls. "Since you have to destroy the Doors to get in a Keep, it is just a PvE game".
I am sorry I have Played, EQII PvP servers, WOW, Lotro, and AOC PvP servers, and Warhammer has them all beat.
Honestly I think this OP got confused and is actually complaining about a different game.
I think there's a lot of things that fly both ways because there are two camps: Those that feel Warhammer has "major" design flaws and population problems, as well as blatantly lying to the MMO world about how Warhammer would NOT be a gear grind hoar like Wow; when its in fact, a worse one. Then there is the other camp who says Warhammer has a few "minor" problems that Mythic is on the right path to fixing, doing an outstanding job of delivery and the game is just fine and the best MMO on the market bar none with stellar PvP. These two opinions are naturally gonna clash in a big way, as one camp is definitely not living in reality... so sparks fly.
One thing I DO know, is you are terribly undersimplifying this problem. This has been said many times by many people on many different servers. These problems are not in folk's heads and it's not just "wrong place, wrong time, wrong server." Heres a sample post from a guy on another forum who says what his entire guild did after most of them hit 40 within the last month:
That guy did not sound "trolly".. in fact, it sounds like he knows exactly what hes talking about and what serious problems are. He's not saying "I just don't know why we are bored." He's giving specific reasons but without an official forum from Mythic, this is falling on deaf ears and the company didn't feel the need to address his concerns.
Warhammer does have a chance to fix its major problems (and they do exist) and grab up people before other games are released, or worse ones are fixed up. But one thing WAGGGGHHH! fans (different from War fans) need to realize is that if you put your head in the sand and say "Everything works as intended", you are just enabling a company to suck money each month without feeling any pressure to fix major issues because you keep telling them they don't have to.
Just poo-pooing the serious issues and hoping they'll fix them usually doesn't work in the MMO world.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Save the work for school kid.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
Well, again I say it is point of view. I will however add expectations.
When did people get the idea that they could stay focused, interested and entertained by the same game for so long? A great many who post here seem like they have a short attention span.
God knows I do. I play the game while it is FUN.
That should be the only defining principle for if you play a game.
Is....it.....fun?
As for gear centric grinding? Yea WAR and WOW share a problem. I like WAR better than WOW but then again I played WOW for years so lets see if I am even still playing WAR after all that time.
I like the PVP better. I think it is more fun. So I play WAR. I find it odd that the OP and a few others are so angry about a game that they feel the need to crusade against them.
I read a bit about each game and if it sounds interesting I play it. I don't research it.
So I play the game, see if it is fun and move on. If it sux I am out a few bucks and I move on. Even the worst game I played was fun for awhile. As for the many who say they don't have enough PVP? Well, either sit and complain, try some of the suggestions to get more, or go to another game.
EQ to DAOC to SWG to COH/COV to EVE to WOW to WAR all shared the same fate. When I got bored I moved on. I am not even counting all the little lesser known games I played at the same time. Comparing the amount of money I spent on these games to the time I spent playing it was better value than renting a cheap movie. And it kept me busy longer.
For the love of ones and zeros find something that you have FUN playing.
Agree with this 100%. If you have fun in Warhammer, you should definitely keep playing, the same as any MMO.
"TO MICHAEL!"
yea I totaly agree with this statement. War is not a bad game ....its just boring. After T2 the game gets very repetative. It just the same thing over and over again take keep defend keep take keep defend keep etc. All pQs are just the same kill lost of easy mobs part 1 kill harder mobs part 2 and kill really hard mob part 3.
Not to mention the lag in T4 is just awful.
I'm on Dark Crag (open rvr) and SOME WB leaders are all about RVE, but most of the time there are huge battles. I wouldn't say it's a terrible game... but to be honest, I'm not enjoying myself too much, either. It gets way too repetitive. Lock down the lakes and go to Altdorf.
On top of the repetitivness, I have came in top 3 for contributions to Keeps and the Altdorf PQ multiple times and got low rolls. I have only won ONCE. Call it bad luck, call it whatever you want, but that's not cool. I always try my best to help my WB. I play a Black Orc and always throw on Save Da Runts on people taking damage. Always use Challenge and Hold The Line to reduce my party's taken damage. I even use Deflect Oil at keeps, which I never see anybody else use. I got fed up with never winning and heard doing damage is what gives you higher contribution points, so I switched my spec, got a 2H and did keeps all day. Again, I got top 3 contribution and still got low rolls. Unacceptable.
I know the game isn't all about gear, but I've been wearing the same shit for so long. I'm getting sick of not being able to advance through RvR. Which, in turn is causing me to get sick of ORVR because it's always the same shit. I haven't really played in 2 weeks. I just sign on for 30 min - 1 hour and log off.
The only reason I will keep my sub going is because I have a bunch of RL friends playing, who happen to enjoy it. Also, I have been waiting for this game to come out for so long. I really had fun during the last closed beta and open beta, but not so much in retail. I have to give Mythic credit for trying their best to improve the game, but they have A LOT of work to do.
My last hope for MMOs is AION, and I may even try Darkfall after it's been out for a while.
Thats the one dirty little secret about Warhammer that hasn't gotten much play that people run into, IMO.
It's touted as a "grind free" game where gear isn't important. The needed gear you'd need was supposed to mainly come from PvP encounters. Running things over/over was supposed to be a thing of the past and stupid, so Mythic wasn't doing that. As people hit 40, they realized this was the furthest thing from reality and Wow's grind for gear was easier. Reason was, if you spent as much time Pvping in Wow, you'd have points saved up so you would get gear sometime. Even mostly losing in Wow, you could still get PvP gear at the end of the week. In Warhammer, the contribution system is so borked, that you could literally run something 100x and be unlucky every single time. There is no eventual expectation that you will get something, and many just "move on" to the next piece from somewhere else they can get. It's been said this was done on purpose, as Mythic didn't want people geared out ready for King battles in one month after release when that part of the game hasn't been coded properly and was crashy.
On top of that, when you look at Warhammer, there are 19 sets of armor I think. Out of that, these are somewhat "required" for endgame:
High Level Armor Sets:
Lesser Wards:
Bloodlord Armor Set: Requirements: Ranks: 37-39. Found in: Bastion Stair
Annihilator Armor Set: Requirements: Ranks: 35-39 and Renown Ranks 31-35. Found in: Tier 4 RvR
Greater Wards:
Sentinel Armor Set: Requirements: Rank 40. Found in: City High Level Dungeons
Conqueror Armor Set: Requirements: Rank 40 and Renown Ranks 45-50. Found in: Fortresses
Superior Wards:
Darkpromise Armor Set: Requirements: Rank 40. Found in: Lost Vale
Invader Armor Set: Requirements: Rank 40 and Renown Ranks 55-60. Found in: Invasion PQs
Excelsior Wards:
Warlord Armor Set: Requirements: Rank 40 and Renown Ranks 64-70. Found in: Sub-Boss PQs (in cities while contested)
Supreme Wards:
Sovereign Armor Set:
Requirements: Rank 40 and Renown Ranks 73-80. Found in: King Fight (in cities while contested)
I don't know about you, but this looks like a gear grind treadmill to me.
"TO MICHAEL!"
i would not go so far to say that warhammer is a terrible game,
to me its just a game that is still not finished.
it took about 2 months till they could put in the bg and the kotbs . its going to take a whole lot longer for them to finish the other things they talked about like skirmishs / the other citys / 2 other classes / more armor / weapons/ diffrent mounts/ and emotes like sitting , dancing ,
and then you have the boss battles that people will want to be a part of when it comes to seiging player citys. also there are mythic items that still need to be put in the game that they have not got a chance to put in yet.
it will be ,,, maybe this entire year before they can get all the items in the game and citys .
next year is when they said they might have time to make a expansion for the game
but right now it is still being developed., and along the way they are changing things, adding new things, evolving the game. when this game is finally finished . then the only critics of the game should be the player base, but as for complaining about other players not rvring and such..
why dont you make the effort to leave that server and go to one that has action on it,,, like ungrim.. this server is allways packing with fights , you wont be disapointed
Now I don't think that's what you meant, but just for the record, MMOs are never finished.
If you mean the content which was taken out before release, it's the 4cities and 2careers.
WAR's main issues are core design issues and not content and as far as I know the cities and 2careers are hardly on the top of the fans 'wish' list. What will the cities and career change in the game?
They won't fix the bland, static, uninspiring keep sieges. They won't stop end game crashes. Neither will they give any new incentive whatsoever for the r40 people, etc.
More armor, weapons, emotes etc will do nothing either.
It will all depend on the direction Mythic will take during the course of the next few months.
MjB is supposed to make an announcement in the coming days on what's in store for the next few months in terms of updates, and it's going to determine where the game is heading.
I hope they focus on what players have been pleading for, and I think they will as they have done just that (for the most part) in the past 4 months.
I had a similar experience and left after 3 weeks. The PvE isn't good enough for me either and I just logged on to LotR's today and that is a pure PvE game mostly and built for it. AoC has great PvE and PvP but neither game has RvR (siege yes but not RvR). So WAR has a one up there but its poorly executed IMO.
lol how come all troll posts on WAR all the time? If this were wow forums you get banned for this offense. I strike at thee trollface
Game has not been around so long now. Many good games have funny problems when new or some don't like it, just the way things is. I see same thing on many games pve is good pvp is so so but no one mad at those game but war pvp is not so good for you and you become ninja anger strike.
well, I tried; I was in Beta; I playeed until 1 week ago from the start... This game needs ^help^... maybe in a year; as I will continue to evaluate WAR, I may return. I played DAoC for many years... plus a lot of othe games...
I returned to WOW... just more fun atm.
I see no need to post why I decided to leave WAR... the way I've read on various posts since WAR went live (Loco), I see no need to.
Bick
Now I don't think that's what you meant, but just for the record, MMOs are never finished.
If you mean the content which was taken out before release, it's the 4cities and 2careers.
WAR's main issues are core design issues and not content and as far as I know the cities and 2careers are hardly on the top of the fans 'wish' list. What will the cities and career change in the game?
They won't fix the bland, static, uninspiring keep sieges. They won't stop end game crashes. Neither will they give any new incentive whatsoever for the r40 people, etc.
More armor, weapons, emotes etc will do nothing either.
It will all depend on the direction Mythic will take during the course of the next few months.
MjB is supposed to make an announcement in the coming days on what's in store for the next few months in terms of updates, and it's going to determine where the game is heading.
I hope they focus on what players have been pleading for, and I think they will as they have done just that (for the most part) in the past 4 months.
generally more content is what makes a game playable, it sure as hell did for evequest back in its hay day and same goes for wow right now. more armor designs, weapons, emotes are a very nice feature that can get people intrested, and as for the cities. this is the reason why people would be paired off to fight each other, high elfs vs dark elfs, dwarfs vs greenskins, chaos vs empire
so far the only realm pride people are getting from warhammer are , people who play for order and chaos as their main,, you cant deny that,.....
so if they did add the other 4 cites to the game, and were to get a sence of what they are fighting for, much like in daoc where you knew of albion, hibernia, midgard , and the citys of the thoese places.. you would fight with all you might against the enemy, that is what is missing amonst , high elfs , dark elfs, dwarfs, and greenskins. and the people who play thoese races as their main.
and when they do put that missing content in the game finally, thats when i think bizness will start to pick up.. i find it to be kind of a shame though, when i play my bg and go to ic just to see my king of the dark elfs maliketh standing next to 2 greenskin guys while the leader of chaos, stands proud near his thrown, i say to myself , what about our king ? where is his thrown at ?
this element wraped in a story line can give a reason why people should pick a side and play.
when this game is finished then we can look and say what is trully wrong with it.
but untill then, they are still improving upon it. and so far, they still have a lot of work to do
Now I don't think that's what you meant, but just for the record, MMOs are never finished.
If you mean the content which was taken out before release, it's the 4cities and 2careers.
WAR's main issues are core design issues and not content and as far as I know the cities and 2careers are hardly on the top of the fans 'wish' list. What will the cities and career change in the game?
They won't fix the bland, static, uninspiring keep sieges. They won't stop end game crashes. Neither will they give any new incentive whatsoever for the r40 people, etc.
More armor, weapons, emotes etc will do nothing either.
It will all depend on the direction Mythic will take during the course of the next few months.
MjB is supposed to make an announcement in the coming days on what's in store for the next few months in terms of updates, and it's going to determine where the game is heading.
I hope they focus on what players have been pleading for, and I think they will as they have done just that (for the most part) in the past 4 months.
generally more content is what makes a game playable, it sure as hell did for evequest back in its hay day and same goes for wow right now. more armor designs, weapons, emotes are a very nice feature that can get people intrested, and as for the cities. this is the reason why people would be paired off to fight each other, high elfs vs dark elfs, dwarfs vs greenskins, chaos vs empire
As I said, WAR, unlike WoW or EQ, has undeniable core design issues. They need to fix those first BEFORE adding new content. I'm not saying that Mythic should never add content, but they NEED to focus on the things that are wrong in the game, BEFORE adding missing stuff
so far the only realm pride people are getting from warhammer are , people who play for order and chaos as their main,, you cant deny that,.....
I am not denying that, but it is hardly the game-breaking issue of WAR. There are more important things to fix.
so if they did add the other 4 cites to the game, and were to get a sence of what they are fighting for, much like in daoc where you knew of albion, hibernia, midgard , and the citys of the thoese places.. you would fight with all you might against the enemy, that is what is missing amonst , high elfs , dark elfs, dwarfs, and greenskins. and the people who play thoese races as their main.
Adding the 4 cities would scatter the population even further.. we DONT need them, and again, there are other PRESSING issues.
and when they do put that missing content in the game finally, thats when i think bizness will start to pick up..
If they do so before fixing the main issues, there would be no players left.
i find it to be kind of a shame though, when i play my bg and go to ic just to see my king of the dark elfs maliketh standing next to 2 greenskin guys while the leader of chaos, stands proud near his thrown, i say to myself , what about our king ? where is his thrown at ?
this element wraped in a story line can give a reason why people should pick a side and play.
when this game is finished then we can look and say what is trully wrong with it.
Are you serious??
If by "finished" you mean "added enough content", then it would be too late. Furthermore we KNOW what is wrong with the game and we know what needs fixing.
but untill then, they are still improving upon it. and so far, they still have a lot of work to do
Yes they are improving on it, and I hope they keep up the good work in the coming months. But there is one PRIMARY thing they need to do:
Fix before adding new content. Even the guys at Funcom knew this.
You're right, Warhammer is a stupid ass game.
I second that.
I'm mean, Warhammer just didn't. I just got bored too fast, the combat was like out of style of something. I mean come on man.,